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Speaker 1: Welcome to the RAP, a weekly podcast covering women's sports

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Speaker 1: news bears. What have we got around the grounds this week?

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Speaker 2: The fire win the WNBL, I called it?

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Speaker 1: I called it?

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Speaker 2: How long ago did you call it? Friend?

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Speaker 1: Ever since Laura Nicholson's been playing there, Shannon Seabom's being

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Speaker 1: the coach?

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Speaker 2: Excellent?

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Speaker 1: How long ago was that number of years?

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Speaker 3: Actually, no one knows to their more controversies impact the

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Speaker 3: results of two games, and Ellie Karmadat is back for

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Speaker 3: the Tillies following her ACL rehab.

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Speaker 1: For our key story, we'll discuss the World Athletics ban

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Speaker 1: on transgender women competing in elite female events. My name

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Speaker 1: is Chloe Dalton and I'm joined every week on the

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Speaker 1: show by my co host Bez, who's super w Warritor's

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Speaker 1: team had their first winner of the season, well one

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Speaker 1: from one. It wasn't the first win. It was first

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Speaker 1: game and first win.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a good day on Friday. I enjoyed

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Speaker 3: it from the stage. Yeah, I bet you did so.

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Speaker 3: You were keeping well hydrated in the stance. I was

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Speaker 3: enjoying some rugby. No, it was a good day. Good

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Speaker 3: to get the first one done. It's always nerve wracking

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Speaker 3: round mine, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: It is nerve wracking because you don't know post preseason.

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Speaker 1: If you just think that you're a better team than

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Speaker 1: what you are.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing like a little bit of unopposed team runs

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Speaker 3: to make you think like your world beaters.

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Speaker 1: By the starting team versus the bench, like of course

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Speaker 1: you're going.

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Speaker 2: To even know what sometimes even know one.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I would definitely carry the ball this

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Speaker 3: far in a normal game, I would.

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Speaker 1: Run forty tackles.

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look around the grounds. I put this

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Speaker 1: story first because I'm excited in basketball, The Towns Will

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Speaker 1: Fire other champions.

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Speaker 2: Yes to read what I wrote, please?

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Speaker 1: Oh they did manage to survive the kiss of death

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Speaker 1: from Chloe Me. I like commentators curse, but I had faith.

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Speaker 1: They got the job done in Game two to sweep

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Speaker 1: the South Side Fires to zip in the grad Final series.

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Speaker 1: It was their sixteenth consecutive victory and eighty two to

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Speaker 1: sixty nine was reflective of their dominance. Do you know

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Speaker 1: if that was I was trying to work out the

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Speaker 1: other day. Is a WNBL record?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I also did some researcher on that and couldn't find it.

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Speaker 1: It's not It's probably not the most well documented league.

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Speaker 3: I bet if you are the Towns Will Fire, you

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Speaker 3: probably want to week off, maybe two weeks off to party.

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Speaker 3: And he'd be like, let's just bring on season the

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Speaker 3: next season. Now, just keep it going, just keep going.

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Speaker 1: They are on fire. Steph Reid had twenty points and

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Speaker 1: Grand Final MVP Tianna Hawkins with eighteen points led Townsville

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Speaker 1: and despite a strong fight from the Flyers, they just

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Speaker 1: couldn't go with the Fire in the fourth quarter. This

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Speaker 1: is one of my favorite stories. I love this. They

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Speaker 1: got back to Townsville the morning after their win, and

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Speaker 1: they were looking a little bit dusty, I'd say. Step

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Speaker 1: Reid was wearing the basketball net from the championship game

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Speaker 1: around her neck and when asked if they had got

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Speaker 1: any sleep, responded sleep, what sleep? Great night. Coach Shannon

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Speaker 1: Seabomb called out Reid's performance, saying, Steph hit a really

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Speaker 1: big shot down the stretch. You know, the ball just

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Speaker 1: some defenders that were a lot taller than her as well. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: the fire captain, Lauren Nicholson said, a lot of things

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Speaker 1: led to that result we got, and yeah, it's the

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Speaker 1: best feeling ever. I still can't wipe the smile off

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Speaker 1: It was just a surreal feeling.

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Speaker 3: Credit to the girls for winning, even though Chloe Dalton

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Speaker 3: jumped on at the bandwagon. That was the rest of

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Speaker 3: Laura Nicholson's quote.

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Speaker 1: She definitely said that.

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Speaker 3: In netball, there was some epic matches and one very

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Speaker 3: strange draw during round two of the Sun Corps Supernetball.

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Speaker 1: It was a very strange round.

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Speaker 2: There was a bit going on. There's a bit to unpack.

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Speaker 3: So on Saturday, the Adelaide Thunderbirds clash with the New

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Speaker 3: Sophal Swifts was declared to draw at halftime due to

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Speaker 3: and this is in quotes, very unfortunate circumstances.

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Speaker 1: Is that what Netball Australia called it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they said, very unfortunate circumstances, like eating

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Speaker 3: a bad curry before going for a run. Is it not,

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Speaker 3: it's not too much information, Well you know what I mean, Like,

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's unfortunate.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, we'll get there.

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Speaker 3: So those unfortunate circumstances are a combination of a delay

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Speaker 3: to the start of the matches. The court was deemed

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Speaker 3: unsafe for play a power outage, which meant the match

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Speaker 3: So the delay to the start was a result of

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Speaker 3: a decision made by officials that the court was not

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Speaker 3: safe for play due to the advertising decals not offering

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Speaker 3: the same court consistency. So I'm guessing the stickers were slippery.

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Speaker 1: I would have thought that the stickers would be uniform

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Speaker 1: across the board, like, yeah, obviously different home teams might

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Speaker 1: have different sponsors, but you would think that they would

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Speaker 1: all come from the same supplier.

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Speaker 2: One would think strange.

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Speaker 3: So after much discussion and walking on said decals, it

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Speaker 3: was decided that they would have to be ripped off

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Speaker 1: They'd be awfully sticky. Could you imagine, like your full

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Speaker 3: Just like that was What followed was a bunch of

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Speaker 3: busy staff working to smooth out the surfers. Play eventually

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Speaker 3: began after an hour delay, but in more amazing scenes,

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Speaker 3: was halted due to a power outage. After halftime, Supernetball

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Speaker 3: released a statement saying a high vaulted voltage transformer issue

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Speaker 3: had caused the power outage. Like Bumblebee or or no, well,

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Speaker 3: we optimist is probably more high voltage than Bumblebee. I

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Speaker 3: love Bumblebee the Scepticons. Jeez, I got a bit rogue today.

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Speaker 3: With the scores locked at twenty five all at halftime

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Speaker 2: It was declared to draw.

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Speaker 1: Very strang It almost seems like someone didn't want the

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Speaker 1: match to go ahead with those two Like, what are

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, just strangeness. Never Australia Head of Integrity in

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Speaker 3: a Cole Maucher.

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Speaker 2: Told Fox Sports early.

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Speaker 3: Today, we had to delay the match for the unsafe surface.

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Speaker 3: We extended it to allow up to one hundred and

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Speaker 3: twenty minutes to complete the match. Because we've extended it

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Speaker 3: into that time, we don't have enough time to complete

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Speaker 3: it within the session time window, so we do have

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Speaker 3: to declear the match as at halftime, so both teams

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty strange decision because I imagine there's protocols

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Speaker 1: it was described as, I would think you could have

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Speaker 1: discussions with both teams and say, hey, in this instance,

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Speaker 2: I get not starting.

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Speaker 3: I think if they had have started, stopped and then

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Speaker 3: it because I probably the warm up and cool down

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Speaker 1: Before the power outage was half time.

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Speaker 3: It was half time yet, but I mean, so they

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Speaker 3: didn't warm up before the sticker situation got yah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Swift's star Helen Howsey said after the result was declared.

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Speaker 3: The first delay was all right because we actually got

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Speaker 3: to play afterwards. We played cards backstage. Love that she

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Speaker 1: Stage for the performance. She's a good dancer, Helen. Have

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Speaker 1: you seen it?

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Speaker 3: No, it's so frustrating. Honestly, no one likes to have

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Speaker 3: a drawer, even if you play sixty minutes. But to

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Speaker 3: have a drawer and not have been able to have

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Speaker 3: an opportunity to win the game is actually really sad.

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Speaker 3: There was some emotion in the change room. Every single

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Speaker 3: point counts. Obviously, there is nothing we can do.

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Speaker 1: On Sunday, there was a cracker of a game between

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Speaker 1: the West Coast Fever and the Giants. Go the Giants,

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Speaker 1: and again it went down to the last seconds. The

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Speaker 1: Fever unfortunately snuck home once again, winning seventy four to

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Speaker 1: seventy three in what was a super shot fest. It

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Speaker 1: was the Fever Fever's Janille Fowler, which is a name

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Speaker 1: we often chat about on the podcast because of how

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Speaker 1: good she is. She converted a perfect fifty nine goals

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Speaker 1: from as many attempts that proved the difference. Did she

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Speaker 1: go one hundred percent last week as well?

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Speaker 3: So she's I think she's one hundred and fourteen from

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fourteen of the two games so far.

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Speaker 1: That's cool. I'd also like to know the record of

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Speaker 1: the netball player who's gone at one hundred percent for

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Speaker 1: the most amount of games.

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Speaker 2: That would be cool, right noted.

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Speaker 1: If you could follow up on that, Chief Research, I

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. The Fever finished with a shooting

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Speaker 1: accuracy rate of ninety six percent, with the Giants only

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Speaker 1: managing to register an eighty three percent success rate. The

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Speaker 1: inaccuracy came back to hurt the Giants despite Joe Harton

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Speaker 1: and Sophie Dwyke combining for fifteen two point supershots in

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Speaker 1: the game. Welcome back Joe Harton, who's recovered from a

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Speaker 1: knee injury as well. The Melbourne Derby was on Sunday

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Speaker 1: and it was another one point screamer. There were some

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Speaker 1: really close matches, which is great for the game. Melbourne

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Speaker 1: Vixen's getting bragging rights when they beat the Collingwood Magpies

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Speaker 1: sixty two to sixty one. More controversy from round two.

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Speaker 1: So Vixen's had the center pass kind of went back

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Speaker 1: and forth, a little bit got turned over and then

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Speaker 1: they got the ball back. Then they hit a supershot,

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Speaker 1: so then the score went to I think it was

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Speaker 1: fifty nine to fifty eight. After the supershot, they then

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Speaker 1: it just alternates, so they got a second center bounce

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Speaker 1: going on to win the game. Not great. The coach,

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Speaker 1: Nicole Richardson after full time was pretty angry, and I

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Speaker 1: think rightly so. She said what happened in the last

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Speaker 1: minute and a half is an absolute fiasco. You cannot

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Speaker 1: have a result like that. This is an elite level competition.

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Speaker 1: You have an automated scoreboard that tells you whose center

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Speaker 1: pass it is. You have a bench who knows exactly

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Speaker 1: whose center pass it is, but the bench do not

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Speaker 1: have the power to do anything about it. That has

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Speaker 1: cost us the game, and that is why I'm angry.

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Speaker 1: Sophie Garbin addressed it. Then I got up and addressed it.

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Speaker 1: The record broke the record.

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Speaker 3: They had thirty thousand and five hundred and eighty four.

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Speaker 1: So cool. More soccer news, Ellie Carpenter is back. The

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Speaker 3: In AFLW, Carlton afl W Legends Vesco was last weekend

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Speaker 3: It's not a fatal complete in at rugby union, as

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Speaker 3: we spoke about earlier, season kicked off on Friday night

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Speaker 3: and the New sophal as War Tars were too strong

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Speaker 3: across the park for the Western Force. The Tar scored

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Speaker 3: seven tries in a forty three to ZIP victory that

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Speaker 3: featured nine debutantes, including sixteen year old fullback Caitlin Holtz.

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Speaker 2: She went a right holsey, didn't she.

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Speaker 1: She did really well and I loved seeing her. I

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Speaker 1: saw like these children aka teenagers in their school polo

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Speaker 1: shirts cheering her own and getting photos, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: she's still at school, isn't she? Yep, she sure is crazy.

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Speaker 3: So she played in the fifteen jersey at fullback and

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Speaker 3: she did handle the occasion like a pro.

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Speaker 2: Big future, that kid.

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Speaker 3: On Saturday, history was made when the first SUPERW match

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Speaker 3: was played in Fiji.

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Speaker 2: How good, awesome cool.

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Speaker 3: It was a tight game played in some pretty ordinary

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Speaker 3: conditions unfortunately, but Fijiana drew girls held on to post

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Speaker 3: a twelve seven win in front of their home fans

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Speaker 3: against the Act Rumbies. And last game on Saturday night,

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Speaker 3: Queensland Reds made a statement of their own, also winning

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Speaker 3: forty three.

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Speaker 1: Now very strange, strange behavior.

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Speaker 3: They took care of a Melbourne Rebels team that received

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Speaker 3: five yellow cards throughout the match.

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Speaker 1: I was unfortunate for the Rebels.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was Rebels captain Ash Masters copped

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Speaker 3: a slice of Cheese herself and said after the match,

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Speaker 3: it really let us down at too many yellow cards.

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Speaker 3: There's no question that our team is physical, but we

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Speaker 3: need to play with ball in hand and that's what

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Speaker 3: led us down.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the key story in athletics.

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Speaker 1: World Athletics made an announcement last week banning transgender women

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Speaker 1: from competing in elite female competitions if they have gone

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Speaker 1: through male puberty. The sport's governing body Council also voted

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Speaker 1: to titan restrictions on athletes with differences in Sex Development DSD,

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Speaker 1: cutting the maximum amount of plasma testosterone for athletes in

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Speaker 1: half to two point five animals per liter, down from five.

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Speaker 1: The sport had previously floated the option of transgender athletes

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Speaker 1: being allowed to compete in the female category if they

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Speaker 1: maintained testosterone levels below two point five animals per lit

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Speaker 1: for twenty four months. However, the statement said there was

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Speaker 1: little support within the sport for that proposal. World Athletics'

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Speaker 1: president Sebastian Coe told a news conference the decision to

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Speaker 1: exclude transgender women was based on the overarching need to

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Speaker 1: protect the female category. Co also said we're not saying

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Speaker 1: no forever and advise that the governing body would form

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Speaker 1: a task force to study the issue of trans inclusion,

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Speaker 1: and that group will be chaired by a transgender athlete.

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Speaker 3: This decision follows World Swimmings announcement last June that transgender

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Speaker 3: women would be banned from elite competition if they had

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Speaker 3: experienced any part of male puberty, so very similar decision

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Speaker 3: made by the swimming bodies. Swimming's World governing body cited

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Speaker 3: a scientific panel that found even after reducing the testosterone

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Speaker 3: levels through medication, transgender women still had a significant advantage.

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Speaker 3: LGBTQ plus group Stonewall spoke last month about how important

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Speaker 3: it is that sports are as inclusive as possible. It's

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Speaker 3: said at the time the trans population may be small,

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Speaker 3: but they have every right to participate in sports and

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Speaker 3: enjoy the many physical, mental, and community benefits of sport.

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Speaker 3: The scientific evidence based on trans people in sport is developing,

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Speaker 3: but it is far from conclusive. They then tweeted after

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Speaker 3: World Athletics announcement, it is so disappointed to see World

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Speaker 3: Athletics announce a unilateral ban on trans women in track

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Speaker 3: and field events. Their own statement recognizes that there are

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Speaker 3: no trans women competing at an international level and that

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Speaker 3: they have no specific evidence to justify the band.

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Speaker 1: On Sunday morning on Channel nine on the Sports Sunday

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Speaker 1: Show that I often get the chance to sit on

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Speaker 1: the panel of had the chance with host Roz Kelly

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Speaker 1: to interview one of my very good friends, Elia Green.

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Speaker 1: So I played rugby sevens with Elia in Rio. We

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Speaker 1: want a gold medal together, which is pretty special. And

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Speaker 1: Ellie at recently transitioned and has started sharing his journey

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Speaker 1: and experience and kind of speaking out on behalf of

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Speaker 1: the trans community. After there's been a lot of hate

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Speaker 1: and harmful discussions that often happened, particularly on social media

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Speaker 1: around these issues. So thanks to Channel nine and the

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Speaker 1: Sports Sunday team, we wanted to actually share an audio

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Speaker 1: clip of that discussion that we got to have with

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Speaker 1: earlier on Sunday Morning, because I think it's just really

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Speaker 1: important for people to actually have a face when they're

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Speaker 1: talking about this. We understand that this is a it's

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Speaker 1: a really complex issue, and I think the Stonewall group

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Speaker 1: addressed it really well. That there's still more scientific evidence needed.

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Speaker 1: It's far from conclusive. I don't think a blanket rule

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Speaker 1: either way is the way to do it. But I

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Speaker 1: think for people who might be really against trans women

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Speaker 1: competing in female sports, I just really encourage you just

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Speaker 1: to take this as an opportunity to listen and learn

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Speaker 1: from someone within that community speaking really honestly and candidly

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 3: Elliott, what was.

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Speaker 1: Your reaction to this ruling?

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Speaker 4: In all honesty, it wasn't surprising considering what's going on

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Speaker 4: in the world and the hate inscrimination directed at trans

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Speaker 4: people wasn't a surprising thing to see. It was upsetting

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Speaker 4: to see, but yeah, once again, not the biggest surprise.

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Speaker 1: What kind of impact does this have on trans athletes?

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Speaker 4: I think it's only furthering the marginalization and the discrimination

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Speaker 4: against trans people. It's something that is already such a

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Speaker 4: huge issue in society, let alone sports. The problems that

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Speaker 4: are faced by pit gender people are huge in society,

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Speaker 4: So to then bring that into sport and the challenges

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Speaker 4: that it faces, it's a whole other topic. And I

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Speaker 4: think that the media and the way that it's betrayed

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Speaker 4: can do a lot better in terms of giving so

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Speaker 4: much how can I say so much opinions available on

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Speaker 4: social media and abuse directed at these athletes personally and

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Speaker 4: I think. I think there's just a lot to be

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Speaker 4: done in terms of that.

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Speaker 1: Thinking about your own experience on your own journey earlier,

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Speaker 1: looking back to when you were competing in rugby evans

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Speaker 1: and battling different knee injuries and things like that, but

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Speaker 1: at the same time competing in elite sport, but knowing

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Speaker 1: that you weren't in your true self and your true identity.

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Speaker 1: What was that process like for you.

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Speaker 4: Well, since my retirement, it's actually been the best feeling

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Speaker 4: in the world to be able to be comfortable in me,

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Speaker 4: and it's something that I had planned for so long

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Speaker 4: leading up to my retirement, so it was just a

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Speaker 4: matter of time and something that I could really look

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Speaker 4: forward to and it has only given me a better

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Speaker 4: quality of life and something that I'm very proud of

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Speaker 4: because it takes a lot of courage to be able

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Speaker 4: to do something like this, and I really do feel

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Speaker 4: for all trans people in the world who don't have

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Speaker 4: the courage to do that. It can be an isolating

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Speaker 4: feeling and I just think they just needs to be

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Speaker 4: more support and kindness for trans people in the community.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I think the world would be much safer,

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Speaker 4: a better place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think obviously I watched your own Elias You

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Speaker 3: Live on Sunday morning. It was just overwhelmingly proud of

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Speaker 3: both of you, especially Ella, who you know, showed such

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Speaker 3: courage and he's just a legend and I love him

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Speaker 3: very much. But I think one of the things that

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Speaker 3: earlier referenced a lot and that you touched on their

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Speaker 3: friend is that it's that real. The hatred is it's

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Speaker 3: just not okay. And these sports, even Sebastian Koh's language

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Speaker 3: when he says the overarching need to protect the female category,

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Speaker 3: there's a real fear angering going on and there's a

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Speaker 3: real you know, protect.

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Speaker 2: Protect them from what, protect them from? Who?

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Speaker 3: Like, it's I just I find real. I've got a

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Speaker 3: real problem with this idea that these sports are really

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Speaker 3: playing on the fear that there's going to be an

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Speaker 3: avalanche of trans athletes that want to come and take

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Speaker 3: your gold medal away from you, because it's just not true.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at what to watch in soccer.

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Speaker 3: Sydney FC hosts Perth Glory on Wednesday night at Jubilee Stadium.

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Speaker 3: Kickoff is seven pm ae d T and Perth Glory

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Speaker 3: have to win to have a chance to qualify for finals,

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Speaker 3: while Sydney FC will be looking to finish Minor premiers

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Speaker 3: if they can win their last two. You can catch

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Speaker 3: that live on ten Play Go FC.

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Speaker 1: In basketball, the NCAA Women's March Madness basketball is getting

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Speaker 1: to the serious end of the competition.

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Speaker 2: Can't stop watching it.

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Speaker 1: It's so good.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually filthy that we're recording right now because I'm

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Speaker 3: missing LSU Miami.

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Speaker 1: We need to go put it on. You can catch

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Speaker 1: the final two games of the Elite Eight on Tuesday morning.

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Speaker 1: South Carolina will face Maryland at ten am, followed by

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Speaker 1: Virginia Tech and Ohio State at twelve pm. The Final

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Speaker 1: four will follow on Friday morning, with teams and tip

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Speaker 1: off times to be confirmed. Watch it live on ESPN.

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Speaker 2: Who's your pick?

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Speaker 1: I think South Carolina favorites.

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Speaker 3: Good on you go LSU. I'm saying that not knowing

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Speaker 3: what the score was, but I'm hoping for LSU. In

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Speaker 3: In at netball, the Sunshine Coast Lightning will be looking

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Speaker 3: to make it three from three when they host Adelaide

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Speaker 3: Thunderbirds on Saturday at UNI sc Arena. The game starts

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Speaker 3: at seven pm a d T, and you can catch

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Speaker 3: it live and free on Ko Freebies.

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Speaker 1: And foxtelth and that's the wrap.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say, if the Thunderbirds don't have a

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Speaker 3: real thunderbird as they're like as in a Thunderbirds, I go, thunderbird.

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Speaker 1: Why do your hands?

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Speaker 3: They're puppets right if they don't have a thunderbird as

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Speaker 3: their mascot.

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Speaker 1: I'm not pointing, it's a great point. Producer Bailey. Trademark issues.

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Speaker 2: I hate trademark issues.

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