Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week. They might welcome back
Speaker 1: guys to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris and on
Speaker 1: this podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest
Speaker 1: players in television.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great questions. The show's about the game.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of great television out there in Australia.
Speaker 4: But I've also got to go behind the scenes with writers.
Speaker 1: The truth is, when I started writing it, it wasn't
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the news and casting agents.
Speaker 4: They know from a casting point of view what they need.
Speaker 1: And editors because that's what we do as editors where storytellers.
Speaker 1: Not to forget some incredible executive producers who are making
Speaker 1: some of the best TV in Australia. I have been
Speaker 1: on the program since the beginning and it's kind of
Speaker 1: in my DNA. So thanks for joining me each week
Speaker 1: and I hope the podcast continues to give you real
Speaker 1: insight into the magic of television today. On the podcast,
Speaker 1: I have Simone Hotsnagel, who is the latest recruit to
Speaker 1: leave Sas Australia on Channel seven. Over the last few
Speaker 1: episodes of TV Reload, you may have heard me referencing
Speaker 1: my personal relationships with Angie Kent and Cahn Ong, and
Speaker 1: now with this episode, it might seem link I'm just
Speaker 1: pretending that I know everyone. I honestly don't know everyone.
Speaker 1: But a bizarre anomaly was that this week three of
Speaker 1: my friends left reality shows and I got the privilege
Speaker 1: of talking to them about their experiences. So full disclaimer,
Speaker 1: I have known Simone for nearly ten years, so we
Speaker 1: will share some of our history, especially with our mutual friend,
Speaker 1: the late Charlotte Dawson. Simone became a household name in
Speaker 1: twenty eleven when she appeared on Next Top Model. She
Speaker 1: then went on to international acclaim, gracing the cover of
Speaker 1: Playboy magazine and also becoming a featured guest model, which
Speaker 1: is a massive accomplishment for our girl from OZ. In
Speaker 1: later years, you might have seen her on I'm a Celebrity,
Speaker 1: Get Me out of Here.
Speaker 4: However, her post.
Speaker 1: Pandemic role in Essays Australia has us talking about her career,
Speaker 1: her friendship with Charlotte, that pepper spray, and some behind
Speaker 1: the scenes goss from the show. I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: love Simone's candor, but I will also offer a trigger
Speaker 1: warning because this episode does include the discussion of suicide
Speaker 1: and if that does provoke your own feelings of distress,
Speaker 1: please call Lifeline on thirteen eleven fourteen. However, let's get
Speaker 1: started with this week's guest. I'd like to welcome Simone
Speaker 1: Hotsnagel to TV reload.
Speaker 2: Nothing prepares you for Bring a Lit on Fire seventeen
Speaker 2: celebrities leave behind their comfort and security. No one's ever
Speaker 2: going to understand exactly what it was like to.
Speaker 4: Embark on a life altering experience.
Speaker 2: Something that I'm not working on because I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: allowed to fucking talk about it if I want.
Speaker 4: We'll take part in a condensed version of the SAS
Speaker 4: Selection course.
Speaker 2: I was watching it back and I'm like, why would
Speaker 2: I so stress.
Speaker 3: Summer here to fight for ademn shift.
Speaker 2: If I had the opportunity to do it, I reckon
Speaker 2: it'd be totally different.
Speaker 4: Hi, Simone, how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good?
Speaker 2: Thanks, Benny, how are you?
Speaker 4: I I'm really well.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a little traumatized because I don't like
Speaker 1: to see anyone I know go through something horrific. But
Speaker 1: I have to say congratulations on your time on SAS.
Speaker 1: How did you go watching last night's episode.
Speaker 2: Watching last night's episode was probably the hardest one for
Speaker 2: me to watch, only because like I knew my interrogation
Speaker 2: was going to be in there, and you know, it's
Speaker 2: different when you're like doing something like if you're working
Speaker 2: out and you're like, oh, like that's this was like
Speaker 2: I'm going to die pain like I've never experienced in
Speaker 2: my life. And obviously, I mean, I'm you know, I
Speaker 2: can laugh at myself, but like having that many bookers
Speaker 2: come out of your nose on TV is like kind
Speaker 2: of embarrassing, but yeah, it was did I did cry
Speaker 2: watching last night's episode talking about all the Charlotte stuff,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I knew that was coming, and I think
Speaker 2: it was more of the build up for me.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the Charlotte thing in a minute
Speaker 1: because we have to. But from the moment that I
Speaker 1: heard you were cast on this show, I kind of
Speaker 1: felt like I knew how it was going to go,
Speaker 1: and you exceeded what I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 4: Like I honestly, I was just so impressed.
Speaker 2: It's funny because like going in, everyone's like, oh, do
Speaker 2: you want to change the public's perception of you? And
Speaker 2: I'm like I don't really care.
Speaker 3: What they think of me.
Speaker 2: I did want to do a good job, and I
Speaker 2: thought I was prepared, Like I trained for eight weeks
Speaker 2: my personal trainer in Woolengon and I was super fit.
Speaker 2: I was like lifting weight, but like nothing prepares you
Speaker 2: for being a lit on fire, like Hawd he trained
Speaker 2: for that, howd he trained for petspray, and like being
Speaker 2: almost drowned in a plane. The one thing I will
Speaker 2: say that I could have done more of was I
Speaker 2: could have started running again or like gone on. I
Speaker 2: was going on hypes and stuff, but I should have
Speaker 2: been wearing twenty heroes and I was only wearing about ten.
Speaker 1: You can't train to much as much as you want
Speaker 1: to look a certain way or feel like you can
Speaker 1: tackle it. I mean, this show really is about real
Speaker 1: people going in and facing the hardest possible challenges. I
Speaker 1: think that's what audiences almost want to see. So I
Speaker 1: think you know, had you gone in there as action
Speaker 1: packed Barbie, it probably might not have been what you needed.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because I was having this conversation with
Speaker 2: someone who's been on the show before, and we were
Speaker 2: both just saying, I wish they'd give.
Speaker 3: Us six months notice.
Speaker 2: But it's like they don't want anyone to be good,
Speaker 2: and I was going to be the shit run because
Speaker 2: I was like the token model, which is fine as well.
Speaker 2: It's like I know when I do or have done
Speaker 2: this type of like not that type, but you know,
Speaker 2: like the Jungle and stuff, it's like, I know what
Speaker 2: my role is there. I know it's reality TV, but
Speaker 2: everyone's kind of passed. There's always the token model, there's
Speaker 2: always comedian, there's always like footy player, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Everyone, Yes, it is typecast that like deal
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, what I thought
Speaker 1: was really good was I enjoyed your interactions and the
Speaker 1: realness that you were able to continue to be throughout
Speaker 1: the series. Like I watched people on sas the Jungle,
Speaker 1: all of these shows that are celebrities that go in there,
Speaker 1: and I never really feel like they've allowed them to
Speaker 1: give themselves fully up to the experience where even last night,
Speaker 1: you were having conversation with one of the other girls,
Speaker 1: and I could tell that's just you. You know, you
Speaker 1: were going through something and you were sharing that with her,
Speaker 1: but you were sharing that with the audience, which makes
Speaker 1: good Telly.
Speaker 2: The funny thing is not maybe maybe too much, not
Speaker 2: with Top Model, because that was like when I did
Speaker 2: Top Model, that was like eleven years ago now, and
Speaker 2: that was kind of before reality TV like really became
Speaker 2: this huge juggernaut, Like it was still in the early
Speaker 2: days and Instagram wasn't even invented when I did Top Model.
Speaker 2: It came out like a couple of months.
Speaker 3: Later, I remember.
Speaker 2: But I feel like so many people worry about saying
Speaker 2: the wrong thing, or like doing the wrong thing, and
Speaker 2: or like showing only like one side of themselves, like
Speaker 2: this kind of image that they already have or they
Speaker 2: want to hold up. And I'm just not about that.
Speaker 1: But that's why you get hired for these jobs, you
Speaker 1: know that. That's why people who do fake it on
Speaker 1: these shows shouldn't be hired for these jobs. Because if
Speaker 1: we're going to watch, I mean, reality isn't the title,
Speaker 1: and I think in some way some of these shows
Speaker 1: have lost sight of that. But the closer we get
Speaker 1: to understanding the human condition, now we're being too deep,
Speaker 1: but you know, the closer we get to sort of
Speaker 1: exploring social experiment or people put into real situations of danger.
Speaker 1: I guess the more we relate to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like me, I have like never spoken publicly about, like,
Speaker 2: you know, suffering from anxiety.
Speaker 3: So I was like, but like, I wasn't going to
Speaker 3: pretend that.
Speaker 2: It wasn't happening. I couldn't just go and like not
Speaker 2: cry because I was like in that moment I still
Speaker 2: remember it. That was actually on the first day, and
Speaker 2: I was like full wig out mode. I was like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck am I doing? Like I was dressing
Speaker 2: out so hard.
Speaker 3: It was obviously because like I was very overwhelmed.
Speaker 2: But the thing that like set me off was so
Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, maybe not with Big Brother, but
Speaker 2: you know other shows, like the cameras are there and
Speaker 2: the producers are there right next to the camera, right,
Speaker 2: That's like not what it is like. And when we're
Speaker 2: in the base camp, it's just all cameras on the wall,
Speaker 2: so there's no actual cameramen in there, and we don't
Speaker 2: have any interaction with anybody, Like, no one's glowed to
Speaker 2: look at us, no one's glad to speak to you.
Speaker 2: So when we have to get our batteries change, they
Speaker 2: come and stand at the door and they'll call your
Speaker 2: number out and you get taken into a room, but
Speaker 2: they put blackout goggles on you even while you're having
Speaker 2: your battery change, so you can't interact with even the
Speaker 2: sound people. And we're getting our batteries changed. And I
Speaker 2: was like, I put the goggles.
Speaker 3: On and I just would not stop crying.
Speaker 2: I was just like weeping, and I was just like
Speaker 2: it was my first kind of moment in that first
Speaker 2: day that I was there, and I.
Speaker 3: Was just like, what the fuck am I doing here?
Speaker 3: Like I'm so out of.
Speaker 2: My leg So whatever, I check it out for like
Speaker 2: four more days, Like, yes, they showed it in a
Speaker 2: different order, but like it still happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I noticed that like a couple of times where they
Speaker 1: would take your mask off and I could see that
Speaker 1: it looked like you'd already been crying.
Speaker 4: I could already see that.
Speaker 1: But you know, I kind of felt like you break
Speaker 1: down stereotypes because just remember what it's like being a
Speaker 1: little girl, Because I remember, and that is that we
Speaker 1: think that beautiful people if we looked beautiful or if
Speaker 1: we were a model, you know, like if we were
Speaker 1: these things, we wouldn't feel anxious. And so I just
Speaker 1: felt this was a good thing for young people to
Speaker 1: see because people go oh, simone. People would love to
Speaker 1: be that you know, and then to know that you
Speaker 1: struggle and that you have anxiety and that you process
Speaker 1: things the same way as just as anybody else.
Speaker 4: I think that's amazing.
Speaker 2: That's very good, like perspective on it, which I do
Speaker 2: agree with. Actually, if you see other people on TV,
Speaker 2: you know, for someone like me or whoever it is
Speaker 2: talking about, like you know, it doesn't matter like what
Speaker 2: you're doing, who you are, Like everyone has shit, man,
Speaker 2: some people just don't talk about it.
Speaker 4: Well, you're a fan of the show, And what was
Speaker 4: the core reason for saying yet?
Speaker 2: My core reason for saying yes, it's because it was
Speaker 2: in lockdown and I was still working, but I wasn't
Speaker 2: working anywhere near as much. And also like I just
Speaker 2: needed trying to focus on on to like be excited
Speaker 2: for it, to look forward to because you didn't know
Speaker 2: when we're getting out of lockdown, and I was just
Speaker 2: like I could be in my house for the rest
Speaker 2: of my life.
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know what I mean, very easily. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think we also.
Speaker 2: So when I say first asked, I was like, oh, god,
Speaker 2: probably not better yeah than I was just like, actually, yeah,
Speaker 2: because yeah, I needed take to focus on because like
Speaker 2: otherwise I would have just probably come rolling out of
Speaker 2: my house because I would have gotten so fat from
Speaker 2: just cooking and drinking. So it was nice to have
Speaker 2: like a goal to work towards in a time where
Speaker 2: we all kind of were like, what are we doing?
Speaker 1: I have to ask what was the what would you
Speaker 1: pinpoint as being the hardest part of the experience. It
Speaker 1: did end with you walking with this pepper spray, But
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know if that was the worst or
Speaker 1: if it was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
Speaker 2: I don't I feel like my reaction to everything, which
Speaker 2: is so far out of my comfort zone, is pretty normal. Obviously,
Speaker 2: I wish I did a lot better. And I was
Speaker 2: watching it back and I'm like, why was I so stressed?
Speaker 3: Mentally?
Speaker 2: I was white mustling it the entire way through, Like
Speaker 2: after I had that pinning to Pike on the first night,
Speaker 2: like every day whenever we're doing a debrief and they're like,
Speaker 2: this is what you know when they're telling you kind
Speaker 2: of what the theme of the day is, and anytime,
Speaker 2: and they're like, this is about controlling your emotions. You
Speaker 2: have to control your emotions. I was like, OK, but
Speaker 2: literally instantly started just like weeping, and I just couldn't stop.
Speaker 2: I was just I was so in my head, which
Speaker 2: looking back is kind of disappointing because it did kind
Speaker 2: of ruin it for me. I wouldn't want to do
Speaker 2: it again. But if I had the opportunity to do
Speaker 2: it over, I reckon it'd be totally different.
Speaker 1: The weird thing about these sorts of shows is once
Speaker 1: it's done, you're always going to I think they call
Speaker 1: it Sunday Morning quarterbacking, where you're always going to pull
Speaker 1: it apart and think, oh, you know, this is how
Speaker 1: I could have done it.
Speaker 4: I could have done it differently. What's the recovery period.
Speaker 1: Like for this, because I can imagine essays is like,
Speaker 1: you know, deep facial, you know those ones where they
Speaker 1: really get into the nooks and crannies and butcher your face.
Speaker 2: About to go and have I'm about to go and
Speaker 2: have laser. Oh I do know exactly what you're talking.
Speaker 1: Okay, but is that how what's the recovery time not
Speaker 1: for a facial but for sas.
Speaker 2: I took maybe like a week, just like chilling, because
Speaker 2: it's just again like when we finished filming, everything reopened
Speaker 2: and I was just like, I have just been through
Speaker 2: this like crazy thing, and obviously we couldn't talk about it,
Speaker 2: like you know, you can't really talk about that sort
Speaker 2: of shit with anyone, and it's hard for other people
Speaker 2: to relate you. No one's ever going to understand You're
Speaker 2: exactly what it was like. So you get close with
Speaker 2: these people who have this shared experience with But yeah,
Speaker 2: I took a couple of days at home just relaxing
Speaker 2: because yeah, I've been training like every day for eight
Speaker 2: weeks before the show, and then yeah, I was covered
Speaker 2: in bruises and scratches and all sorts of shit.
Speaker 1: I think, as well, don't you think with doing a
Speaker 1: TV show, people go, oh, that's glamorous. They want to
Speaker 1: be there, you know, they want to do that because
Speaker 1: that's about them, you know, and they don't realize that
Speaker 1: these experiences, it takes a lot to do it. It
Speaker 1: is not as easy as you think. Yes, you probably
Speaker 1: do think at the start, oh, I'll be on television
Speaker 1: and that there has to be a small amount of
Speaker 1: narcissism in there a little bit. But then the reality,
Speaker 1: the whole situation is that you're actually carving a huge
Speaker 1: piece out of yourself, and then you're kind of being
Speaker 1: forced to not feel how you feel.
Speaker 2: It's funny, I am still working and stuff, like a
Speaker 2: still model, Like everyone things to think that I like,
Speaker 2: go work as a model anymore.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I just don't post about it on my Instagram because
Speaker 2: I'm doing like ECONMS, but I feel I was talking
Speaker 2: to Richard but Rose on the phone the other night
Speaker 2: and we're just saying and I was like, it's a
Speaker 2: bit different for him because he even do a fuck
Speaker 2: about TV love him dearly, but I was just saying,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, it's such a weird feeling when
Speaker 2: you get out on a show.
Speaker 3: Are you wrapped doing a show?
Speaker 2: Because you know different when it's lives to air, might
Speaker 2: show a show fed right, So, like I said, like
Speaker 2: I had months pre show training, then filming the actual show,
Speaker 2: and then you wait for it to come out, and
Speaker 2: you do all this publicity and you're excited for the
Speaker 2: show to come out and finally see it, and then
Speaker 2: it comes out and you're like oh, and then like
Speaker 2: of course the other thing comes along, but you're in
Speaker 2: this weird like limbo of what's happening. I feel like
Speaker 2: it's like obviously turned out all right there, and they
Speaker 2: showed that one moment of me having a fucking panic attack,
Speaker 2: but that was like every day I was like cool
Speaker 2: to go home and like fool freaking out.
Speaker 3: So I was worried.
Speaker 2: But then as well, when we got the date to
Speaker 2: the show to come out, it was it came out
Speaker 2: the day before charlotte anniversary, and I was like.
Speaker 3: Fuck me, how annoying.
Speaker 2: Like I obviously didn't know how they edited it, but
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, it's going to be me on
Speaker 2: TV the night before her anniversary with my interrogation like
Speaker 2: talking about it. I was like, fuck, what shit's timing?
Speaker 2: And then it wasn't that bad and they only played
Speaker 2: it last night, which you know it was her weird
Speaker 2: was her funeral eight years ago yesterday and then eight
Speaker 2: years later, still on TV talking about it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's a big part of your life.
Speaker 1: I think you have to give yourself some credit for that.
Speaker 1: I mean I was emotional wreck watching you talk about
Speaker 1: Charlotte because I knew how close you both were, and
Speaker 1: I could only imagine that she would have been so
Speaker 1: proud of you with the way you spoke about it,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't there to see it all happened in
Speaker 1: real time, but I don't know how it all came out,
Speaker 1: but the way it was played on television, I mean,
Speaker 1: knowing Charlotte as well as I did, I think she'd
Speaker 1: just be really proud of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she would be too. I just like,
Speaker 2: it's not that I don't like talking about it, like
Speaker 2: I'm so happy to talk about it, and I know
Speaker 2: she'd still love people talking about it, But it's just
Speaker 2: more I don't want people to think that, oh, like
Speaker 2: I'm still talking it like oh like she's still talking
Speaker 2: about it, like I'm trying to stay kind of relevant
Speaker 2: or something. But that's just like amazing, I know, Like,
Speaker 2: and it's been like everything that I have seen has.
Speaker 3: Been like good feedback.
Speaker 2: Everyone's like that was really heartbreaking to watch, which it
Speaker 2: was like I cried watching it, and I knew what
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 3: I was there.
Speaker 2: It's saying that I'm like working on because I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm allowed to fucking talk about it if I want.
Speaker 1: If you're not talking about this in thirty years time,
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked. And then for anyone who would comment
Speaker 1: on that in any other way, doesn't know the situation,
Speaker 1: doesn't know how close you are, or maybe they haven't
Speaker 1: lost anyone.
Speaker 2: I knew I was going to cry in that, and
Speaker 2: I knew they were going to ask, because that's really
Speaker 2: like my only thing, Like I don't have any other great,
Speaker 2: big scandals, like I.
Speaker 4: Don't necessarily know if that's true.
Speaker 1: Maybe that is, I mean, losing my father, like that
Speaker 1: was the biggest thing that's probably happened in my life
Speaker 1: A minute dwarfs, Yeah, something like that is always going
Speaker 1: to be. I mean, you've been on the front cover
Speaker 1: of Playboy, You've been countless guests, contracts you know that
Speaker 1: have been seen globally.
Speaker 4: And I was so.
Speaker 1: Worried for you at the time because you were such
Speaker 1: a baby, like you were so young, and I just thought,
Speaker 1: how are you going to pick yourself up? And then
Speaker 1: the more I got to be in your audience and
Speaker 1: see you succeed and succeed and succeed, it's mind blowing
Speaker 1: to me. You know, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I think back to that and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I didn't actually like because after she died, I like
Speaker 2: ran away. Basically I left and went to America like
Speaker 2: a couple months after that and just took off.
Speaker 3: And then everything just kind of happened through me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just it's such an interesting it's been
Speaker 2: an interesting eight years.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but do you think Charlotte
Speaker 1: would have done this show? I kept thinking, had she
Speaker 1: survived her mental health battle, I could imagine Charlotte being
Speaker 1: on sas people.
Speaker 2: Have asked me that. The only reason that I can
Speaker 2: think of that she wouldn't have is because her knees
Speaker 2: were really fucked up. I don't know if it would
Speaker 2: have been like worth it for her to do more
Speaker 2: damage to them because she was getting like stem cells
Speaker 2: injected into her knees just for a while there. But
Speaker 2: I reckon she would have done it and then been
Speaker 2: like take the money and run late like Eve in
Speaker 2: the first six hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah see, yeah, But I mean I also remember Charlotte
Speaker 1: talking about she wanted to never work in television again.
Speaker 1: The last time I saw her, she was showing me
Speaker 1: some pillows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was starting to do homework. Ye that last
Speaker 2: year she was real pissed off with some people, but yeah,
Speaker 2: she was starting to.
Speaker 3: Do other things.
Speaker 1: I definitely remember talking about about you to Charlotte very clearly.
Speaker 1: Like I remember being in her place one night and
Speaker 1: you'd gone to the bathroom and she asked me for
Speaker 1: advice on how she could be a better role model
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 4: Both, like you were there with magic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was funny though she was so she
Speaker 1: was so maternal with the two of you girls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she really did want to work out how she
Speaker 1: could be a better role model for the two of you.
Speaker 1: But I think she saw so much of herself in
Speaker 1: that in actually in you particularly, I think she saw
Speaker 1: a lot like it felt very much like a bit
Speaker 1: of a mirror and a bit of a Doo's.
Speaker 2: Funny because like Madge is my best die and I
Speaker 2: was super like Charlotte, and I was super similar in
Speaker 2: so many ways that like Maddie and Charlotte, they were
Speaker 2: super similar in so many ways, but like.
Speaker 3: Very different ways. Does that make sense.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she was super like really maternal with me
Speaker 2: and mad Like me and madd had teeth to her
Speaker 2: house and we'd just like go down there and like
Speaker 2: she'd come home and we'd just be in her lounge
Speaker 2: room wearing her clothes. We'd have we had some power
Speaker 2: from her wardrobe. Our favorite outfits of hers. We called
Speaker 2: them our lounging clothes. So it didn't matter like what
Speaker 2: we were wearing. As soon as we'd go to her house,
Speaker 2: we'd get changed. Maddie would put on some like Camilla thing.
Speaker 2: I'd put on some Saturdvibes thing, and we just be
Speaker 2: like sitting on her lounge watching a movie and she'd
Speaker 2: just walk in and be like, oh hi, and like
Speaker 2: this wouldn't even be an eyelid that.
Speaker 3: We were there.
Speaker 2: And I remember this one day that that happened, and
Speaker 2: we were, yeah, sitting on her lounge wearing a stuff,
Speaker 2: and she came and she was like, hello, how are you,
Speaker 2: and like just went into her room and she came
Speaker 2: back out and she didn't even say anything, and she
Speaker 2: just walked over to me imagine the lounge and handed
Speaker 2: us both one hundred dollars and kissed up on my
Speaker 2: head and we were like thank you, and then she
Speaker 2: just like went back off and was like pottering around
Speaker 2: doing her own thing. And that It was very like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny, much.
Speaker 1: Like then you and I were wearing a Barney outfit.
Speaker 1: I think I remember, if I remember correctly, Do you
Speaker 1: remember wearing that Barnie the Dinosaur outfit.
Speaker 2: Ah, she had that Barney outfit. She was obsessed with
Speaker 2: that thing. She used to put that on even when
Speaker 2: she was at home by herself because which I know
Speaker 2: because she put it on one night and went and
Speaker 2: ran down the wharf and loved herself out of her
Speaker 2: house and one of our other girlfriends had to go
Speaker 2: down and let her backing. She had the staircake. She
Speaker 2: was obsessed with that thing. I don't even know like
Speaker 2: where or why she got it, but she used to
Speaker 2: like it anytime we used to all be at her
Speaker 2: house and then she'd like everything would be normal and whatever,
Speaker 2: and she'd be like, I'm just going to the bathroom
Speaker 2: and like disappear for like ten minutes, and then she'd
Speaker 2: slowly walk back out in this Barny the Dinosaur costume.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's so bizarre. I know, because we
Speaker 2: were saying, like all of us her group of friends,
Speaker 2: like the first year after she died, because obviously it's
Speaker 2: like so close.
Speaker 3: To Mardi Gras.
Speaker 2: I was like, do we enter it floats in honor
Speaker 2: of Charlotte and we just all wear barning costume.
Speaker 1: But people wouldn't have understood that, but I definitely think
Speaker 1: that they're gay community were obsessed with Charlotte Dawson. You know.
Speaker 1: I just I think you could have easily done that.
Speaker 1: Imagine all those men in drag as Charlotte. I think
Speaker 1: that I think we should still do that.
Speaker 3: Would be amazing, you know, I wouldn't should totally do that.
Speaker 3: We should be organized next year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well we'll do it for the ten year.
Speaker 1: We'll do it to celebrate her life, you know, And
Speaker 1: I know that there's still so many people out there,
Speaker 1: especially in the LGBTI community, that just anyway so obsessed
Speaker 1: with her. We could talk about this all day, and
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we can have a laugh and we
Speaker 1: can share these stories and it's not you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about this today with you if
Speaker 1: it was going to be sad, Like I want to
Speaker 1: talk about it because it's funny.
Speaker 4: But do you remember this. You're going to have to
Speaker 4: clarify this was true.
Speaker 1: But the night I was there with you, did Russell
Speaker 1: Crowe come past and bang on her door?
Speaker 2: I think he did, and then Charlotte goes, and then he.
Speaker 1: Ran, and then he ran and Charlotte goes, like I
Speaker 1: mean to me like, the fact that Russell Crowe is
Speaker 1: doing this.
Speaker 3: Is just doing knock and run on your is.
Speaker 4: The weirdest thing ever.
Speaker 1: And then knock and run happens, and then she's like,
Speaker 1: you know that's Russell Crowe is just you know, no Russell.
Speaker 1: She didn't say she wasn't name dropping him. She was
Speaker 1: just like and I was like who, and then I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. And then someone clarified me was like, no,
Speaker 1: she means Russell Crowe and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I have a great photo on my phone
Speaker 2: somewhere of eighteen or nineteen year old maybe. Yeah, they're
Speaker 2: around about like nineteen or twenty. I have a photo
Speaker 2: of them at her niece's christening in New Zealand together
Speaker 2: and they're both like teenagers, so wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, anyway, get that back on track. So you've been
Speaker 1: able to achieve so much with this modeling career, and
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's been really inspiring. But the
Speaker 1: thing that I've always wanted to ask you is like,
Speaker 1: what was your favorite job that you booked that you
Speaker 1: really liked. I'm a man, so no one's ever going
Speaker 1: to ask me to be on Playboy. But I imagine
Speaker 1: if I was a woman and I did Playboy. I
Speaker 1: would think that was really amazing, But you told me.
Speaker 2: I was doing Playboy was amazing. But when they because
Speaker 2: they approached me a couple of times, so they approached
Speaker 2: me and asked me to do it, and I was like,
Speaker 2: and they were like, you have to go and you
Speaker 2: get naked at the meeting, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, and I was only like twenty one, and
Speaker 2: I just moved to LA and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: and I was like, do we want to Playboy? Because
Speaker 2: they asked me a playmate and I was like, is
Speaker 2: that thing that I wanted to do? Because I was
Speaker 2: just worried that if I did it and I'd never booked,
Speaker 2: like it was even going to go one of two ways.
Speaker 2: It was going to be send me like to the
Speaker 2: top like Adam Nicole Smith moment, or like I'd do
Speaker 2: it and then I'd never work again because I was
Speaker 2: that girl who did Playboy. And so it was like
Speaker 2: a lot of like weighing up. And then I went
Speaker 2: to the meeting and did like the test shoot and
Speaker 2: filled out all the forms and stuff, but I didn't
Speaker 2: sign anything. And then they were obviously obsessed with my photos,
Speaker 2: but they couldn't do anything with them. And then six
Speaker 2: months later they reached out to me again and they
Speaker 2: were like, office, still there if you want it, And.
Speaker 3: Then they were like, okay, what.
Speaker 2: If you just do the cover? And at the time,
Speaker 2: I was only twenty one, So I shot my Playboy
Speaker 2: cover five days from my twenty second birthday. So at
Speaker 2: the time I was like, I just like, I know,
Speaker 2: obviously I was of age, but it's still I'm like,
Speaker 2: I feel like people should be a bit older to
Speaker 2: do Playboy.
Speaker 1: I don't know, as you get older you think that.
Speaker 1: Do you think back about your being of a certain
Speaker 1: age and you think, God, was I doing that at eighteen?
Speaker 4: Or God was I doing that at twenty one?
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2: Were like I think that, like you get like women
Speaker 2: get sexiers, they get a bit older, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean.
Speaker 2: Anyway, But my favorite sorry that was a fucking tangent.
Speaker 2: My favorite job would be any of my guest campaigns.
Speaker 2: Not the first one because I was fucking cold that day.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I was cold. Probably the one that
Speaker 2: we did out in the desert and we had all
Speaker 2: these cars.
Speaker 3: It was for the Gumball Rally. That was pretty lit.
Speaker 1: Did you do you feel like you're on the Spis
Speaker 1: Girls music video? You know, the Spis Girls music video
Speaker 1: say You'll be There or whatever it was whether out
Speaker 1: in the desert.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that music?
Speaker 3: Yes, I think I do know one. It was like that.
Speaker 2: We had like flares and cars like driving around us.
Speaker 3: The shirt everywhere. It was great.
Speaker 2: We had big trailers to go home and make up in.
Speaker 2: Just felt like a superstar.
Speaker 1: Well, I've been in your audience as best as a friend,
Speaker 1: but you know, just as anybody else has been, so
Speaker 1: I remember, I do, I know the shot. So for me,
Speaker 1: I'm relating it to Spice Girls, but that's probably showing
Speaker 1: my age. So I have a pitch for you on
Speaker 1: the podcast, and I reckon that if we talk about this,
Speaker 1: it's gonna have. It has to happen. So I'd love
Speaker 1: to see you back on a reboot of Next Top Model,
Speaker 1: but it's not just like what we've seen before. I
Speaker 1: think that you could bring the format to being quite
Speaker 1: relevant in twenty twenty two. Like I'd really like to
Speaker 1: see you absolutely in that real moment of sitting in
Speaker 1: you know, Charlotte's chair and making that your own. But
Speaker 1: I also feel like you'd be hands on producing something
Speaker 1: like that. I think that you would understand how to
Speaker 1: represent these girls and making it good television, but having
Speaker 1: the respects for these girls.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Yes, that is a fucking dream
Speaker 2: of mind that they would redo Top like not redo
Speaker 2: Top Model, but like reboots. And there was conversations half
Speaker 2: years ago, and you know, we had a couple of
Speaker 2: meetings and I said it was like I remember I
Speaker 2: went with my agent.
Speaker 3: She was like whoa, And because.
Speaker 2: You know, we thought the meeting was going to go
Speaker 2: for like thirty minutes, we were there for like two hours.
Speaker 2: And I basically just said I was like, listen, in
Speaker 2: the real world, I was like, yes, Top Model was
Speaker 2: like the one of the greatest experiences of my life,
Speaker 2: changed my life. But in the real world, you don't
Speaker 2: overseas and living in some huge mansion. I was in
Speaker 2: a model apartment with like six girls in one bedroom
Speaker 2: with three bug beds for a couple of months. Like,
Speaker 2: you're not living in a mansion. And also you're not
Speaker 2: doing crazy photo shoots like that every single day. Like
Speaker 2: a lot of the things that you are doing is
Speaker 2: eCOM And I said to them, I was like you
Speaker 2: need to do like challenges where you go, Okay, you
Speaker 2: have a rack. Every girl has a rack of clothes.
Speaker 2: There's two hundred outfits, and whoever can get dressed the quickest,
Speaker 2: get through the most of their rack with the highest
Speaker 2: hit rate of photo like usable photo win.
Speaker 1: But that is handy. I mean, it's a preparation. It's
Speaker 1: not just a uh yeah, toss and burn kind of
Speaker 1: scenario where you're like, oh god, we need these props
Speaker 1: to play the roles of these people on this show.
Speaker 4: Like it shouldn't ever be like that. You know, it
Speaker 4: shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you got to We've got to flip
Speaker 1: these sorts of things and then make sure people are prepared.
Speaker 1: I mean you look at the singing shows. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you would feel the same way. Like these
Speaker 1: people go and do these singing shows and they're extraordinarily talented,
Speaker 1: and then nothing happens to them because they've had no preparation.
Speaker 2: You think, yeah, and it's like, obviously, still do the
Speaker 2: fabulous photoshoots and stuff that kind of makes it more
Speaker 2: like real life, because you don't, I mean, unless you're
Speaker 2: like Kendall Jeneral, like gij he did you're doing photoshoots
Speaker 2: like that every day.
Speaker 3: But like you know, most.
Speaker 2: Models start out doing a comm and then you might
Speaker 2: do like one campaign or saying a week or whatever,
Speaker 2: but generally you're doing look books, you're doing ECMM. That
Speaker 2: is where you make most of your like bread and
Speaker 2: butter money. That's to put it into the universe.
Speaker 4: I'm doing it right now.
Speaker 1: I need to materialize this because I want to see
Speaker 1: it and it's also been something that I've thought about
Speaker 1: for such a long time. And I'm sure you know,
Speaker 1: well should foxtell and any network anyway, We're going to
Speaker 1: make it happy. The last question I ask every body
Speaker 1: is what is something behind the scenes of you know,
Speaker 1: the show we're talking about? So we could talk says,
Speaker 1: but you know, what's something from behind the scenes of
Speaker 1: sas that we as an audience didn't see?
Speaker 4: What we might appreciate this.
Speaker 2: One day after I got we have the spread, and
Speaker 2: I walked off the and the doctor handed me over
Speaker 2: to the paramedic and I went into the medic room
Speaker 2: and I fucking got way worse than what was shown
Speaker 2: on TV. Like I they were, they were two minutes
Speaker 2: away from coming and like Pollice sedating me because I
Speaker 2: just was I could not stop crying. I could like,
Speaker 2: I just couldn't calm down, Like I was so overwhelmed
Speaker 2: with the physical pain, and then just emotionally, I was
Speaker 2: so fast and I was like full on the table,
Speaker 2: basically convulsing, like on the bed. Then they were like,
Speaker 2: you can bring your mum, and.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, that's I need when I'm forty two,
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, if I'm in distress, I need
Speaker 1: to call my mum. And you've probably had the same
Speaker 1: reaction to, you know, needing all that kind of medical attention.
Speaker 1: After seeing on the first episode what's his name, Paul
Speaker 1: in the news?
Speaker 3: Oh fuck me. That was the funniest thing.
Speaker 2: Jeff Huegel, I love Jeff Huegle. Him and I were
Speaker 2: standing next to each other in that line after being
Speaker 2: set on fire, and Jeff and I like because they
Speaker 2: said to us, they were like, you guys didn't like
Speaker 2: chat amongst yourselves, but just heap it down. And Jeff
Speaker 2: and I are standing there and I'm like, we both
Speaker 2: have no shoes on, and Jeff's like, nice, now, polish
Speaker 2: you've got on your toes him it's a good color.
Speaker 3: And I'm like thanks, Jeff.
Speaker 2: And then Paulie comes running at the beach and Jeff
Speaker 2: and I I was about to peat my pants. We
Speaker 2: could not get it together. Like him and I were
Speaker 2: like sent over, like hobbing onto each other, screaming, laughing,
Speaker 2: And then they came over and they were like hate,
Speaker 2: like shut the fuck up, stop laughing, and you know.
Speaker 3: When you just can't.
Speaker 2: So we're both standing there like silent laughing, like and
Speaker 2: couldn't even stand up straight.
Speaker 3: It was so funny. That's one of my favorite memories too.
Speaker 2: Actually, I loved you.
Speaker 1: You could see you laughing though, and when you're told
Speaker 1: not to laugh, you can't help but continue to laugh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime we had to do anything, I always had.
Speaker 2: I feel like I always had this stupid smirk on
Speaker 2: my face, like even when Ant was I think it
Speaker 2: was when I like sell out of that root and Ant.
Speaker 3: Was like talking to me and I was like I do.
Speaker 2: So many people are like she didn't take it seriously,
Speaker 2: and I'm like I did. Sorry, my face just looked dumb.
Speaker 1: No, But that's what people are so rude about that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, because who the hell, who.
Speaker 4: Are these people? Are they there? Do they know?
Speaker 1: Because people know extreme situations react really differently, Like I
Speaker 1: quite often in really extreme situations can become quite Like
Speaker 1: I'll become quite focused and take the challenge on. I'll
Speaker 1: become quite what a Gena Leano said about Andrew and
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives, like I'm morph into a man. I
Speaker 1: know I am a man, but like it's so funny,
Speaker 1: like in extreme situations that's how I react, where I'm
Speaker 1: very effeminate by day. You know, by day you'd think
Speaker 1: I'd go that way. We just don't know as humans
Speaker 1: how we're going to react to the most insane things.
Speaker 1: And imagine these people sitting on home eating their second
Speaker 1: bag of fucking Dorito's at that time, telling you how
Speaker 1: to feel like.
Speaker 3: You know, mate, put.
Speaker 1: The Doritos down and go and hang it yourself in
Speaker 1: a plane in some water, and then come back and
Speaker 1: tell me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, I know, I'm like fucking try out these
Speaker 2: civilian ones because they're not going to ask you, because
Speaker 2: no one knows who you are, no one cares.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I just have to say to you, I
Speaker 1: absolutely love you. I could watch you on any show.
Speaker 1: There was a show where you'd go pit through people's garbage.
Speaker 1: Actually that would be fun to watch you, to go
Speaker 1: in through people's garbage anyway, I would be. I love,
Speaker 1: I just love watching you on Telly. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming here instead of d briefing the whole
Speaker 1: Essays experience, and yeah, I'll be forever in your audience.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Darling. That's so sweet.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me