1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Already, and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: Oh, now it makes sense. Good morning, and welcome to 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 2: the Daily OS. It's Tuesday, the twenty seventh of January. 4 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: I'm Lucy Tassel. 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 3: I'm Sam Keselowski. 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: Over the weekend, an agent from the US Agency ICE 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 2: shot and killed a nurse at a hospital in the 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: city of Minneapolis. 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: It is the second time this month that an ICE agent. 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: Has killed a Minneapolis resident, causing significant public outcry and 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: raising questions about how and why this government agency is 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: killing US citizens on the street in broad daylight. In 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: today's episode, we'll explain what ICE is, why it's agents 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: are in Minneapolis, and what to know about these two killings. 15 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: Lucy, this is actually the second time that the TDA 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: team has come into the podcast studio to record a 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 3: podcast about ICE agents shooting a civilian in Minneapolis, Minnesota. That's, 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 3: of course, because earlier this month we saw an ICE 19 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: agent killing thirty seven year old mother of three, Renee 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 3: Good in her car in downtown Minneapolis, shooting her in 21 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 3: the head. Now we've seen over the weekend an ICE 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 3: agent killing a nurse, Alex Pretty. I have a lot 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 3: of questions, but I think the one that I've noticed 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 3: coming up a lot with my friends has been actually 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: what ICE is. 26 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: So ICE stands for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. It's a 27 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: federal agency and its key responsibility is to enforce immigration 28 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: laws inside the United States. So you can kind of 29 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: think of them as similar to the DOJ is involved 30 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: in taking people to court. The government is involved in 31 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: setting the laws, and police are involved in enforcing the laws. 32 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: ICE is sort of like the police, but for immigration. 33 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: Its responsibilities include things like arresting and deporting people who 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: are in the country illegally. ICE was created after the 35 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: September eleven attacks, but it has really come to prominence, 36 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: I would say since US President Donald Trump returned to office. 37 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: A year ago. 38 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 2: Since then, ICE has been conducting what it calls quote 39 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: targeted enforcement operations in cities across the country. The federal 40 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: government says these operations are focused on people who have 41 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 2: criminal records or outstanding deportation orders. Critics, however, would say 42 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 2: these raids are actually broader than that and are creating 43 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: fear in migrant communities. And there have also been many 44 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: images taken by press photographers, particularly, I would say, in 45 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: the last two weeks of people who are US citizens 46 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: being taken into custody, or people who might not be 47 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: US citizens but who don't have criminal records, like, for example, 48 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: a photo we actually posted on the TDA feed last week, 49 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: which was of five year old Liam Ramos who was 50 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: arriving home from preschool in Minneapolis when ICE officers arrested 51 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: him and his father in their dry. The US Department 52 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 2: of Homeland Security, or DHS, which oversees ICE, said Liam's father, 53 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: an Ecuadorian migrant, fled from ICE during a targeted operation, 54 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: and in opposed to x it said ICE did not 55 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: target a child. The child was abandoned. 56 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: So I think the really hard thing to kind of 57 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: get your head around when talking about ICE is that 58 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: they've got some powers that police traditionally do have, like 59 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: an arrest, for example, but the scope is a lot narrower. 60 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: So you said before that that arrest was in Minneapolis. 61 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 3: What can you tell me about the city itself and 62 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: ICE's activities there. 63 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: Minneapolis is a major city in Minnesota that's one of 64 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: the northernmost US states. It's one of the Twin cities 65 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: with Saint Paul, and it's the birthplace and home of 66 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: Prince I would say that's probably what it's most famous for, 67 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: and for being very cold, and for being very cold. 68 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: I actually have been to Minneapolis. It was about fifteen 69 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: years ago. It was in the summer and it was 70 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: beautiful and vibrant and very green, not like now, and 71 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: it's covered in snow. It's also the same city where 72 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: police officer Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd in twenty twenty, 73 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: and we've talked about that a few times on this podcast. 74 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: Kind of the trigger of the Black Lives Matter movement 75 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: in the US. 76 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, of the resurgence of the Black Lives Matter movement. 77 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: Definitely. 78 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 2: The city has a pretty sizable migrant population, estimates Peggett, 79 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: at around one in ten residents of the city. One 80 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: of the largest groups is from Somalia. And the Somalian 81 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: population is actually big enough that Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frye, 82 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 2: who will hear more from as this episode goes on, 83 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 2: who is a white Jewish guy, has actually given multiple 84 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 2: speeches in Somali. Wow. Yeah. Late last year, ICE deployed 85 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: two thousand agents to Minneapolis. It said this was to 86 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 2: carry out the quote largest immigration operation ever. The agency 87 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 2: is calling it Operation Metro surge. It posted a video 88 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: to x on the thirtieth of December with a caption 89 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: saying it was quote boots on the ground investigating suspected 90 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: fraud sites. 91 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: Okay, so by fraud they mean people in America illegally. 92 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: That's what they say. 93 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 3: Yes, okay. 94 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: And so in the second week of January, the second 95 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: week of ICE having a quote boots on the ground 96 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: presence in Minneapolis, we have the killing of Renee Good, 97 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: a mother of three and a US citizen. 98 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 3: So Minneapolis wasn't necessarily the first city that ICE had 99 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 3: conducted this sort of operation in the US. This was 100 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 3: happening in a couple of cities last year. Yeah, they 101 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: get to Minneapolis and within the first week there's this death. 102 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 3: We've recorded an episode about Renee Good. But why don't 103 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: you give us a quick recap just so we can 104 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 3: kind of place it in the puzzle. 105 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, So again, second week of January, very early 106 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: on in ICE's presence there, footage appears to show an 107 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 2: ICE officer approaching Renee Goods car, which was stopped in 108 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: the middle of a road in a neighborhood south of 109 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: downtown Minneapolis. The officer demanded that Renee Good opened the 110 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 2: door and grabbed the handle. The vehicle then begins to 111 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: roll forward and a different ICE officer standing in front 112 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: of it pulls his weapon and immediately fires at least 113 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: two shots at close range into Goods head and body 114 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: and again. For more on that story and the reaction 115 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: to it, you can go back and listen to our 116 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: podcast on it from earlier this year. 117 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 3: So basically to recap, ICE is in Minneapolis in a 118 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 3: large scale operation. They're seen deporting people from their homes 119 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: and now over the weekend, ICE agents have killed another person. 120 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 3: That brings us to the main point of today's podcast, 121 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 3: Tell me what happened over the weekend. 122 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: So on Saturday local time, local authorities responded to reports 123 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: of a shooting involving ICE agents during a quote targeted 124 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 2: operation in Minneapolis. The Department of Homeland Security has alleged 125 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 2: that during this operation, thirty seven year old Alex Pretty 126 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: approached agents with a gun. That's their allegation. Video shows 127 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: Pretty holding a phone. It also shows an agent appearing 128 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: to pull a gun from Pretty's body later on, but okay, 129 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: to start with, the agency alleged that as agents attempted 130 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: to disarm Pretty, he quote violently resisted arrest, leading to 131 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: an agent firing quote defensive shots. Now, in videos captured 132 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: by bystanders, you can see a group of masked agents 133 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: grabbing Pretty, spraying something in his face, pushing him to 134 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: the ground, removing that gun as I've said, and then 135 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: once agents were holding Pretty down, Investigators say at least 136 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: two agents shot him several times in quick succession. So 137 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: you can see that in multiple videos of the Incident's 138 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: kind of hard to tell how many, but you can 139 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: certainly hear a number of shots ringing out in very 140 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: very quick succession. Emergency services attempted to treat Pretty at 141 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: the scene. He was later pronounced dead. Now just about Pretty. 142 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: He was a US citizen with no criminal history and 143 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: a legal permit to. 144 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: Carry a gun, got it. 145 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: He worked as an ICU nurse at a medical center 146 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: for US Army veterans. 147 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: So the DHS is saying ice officers were acting in 148 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: self defense, but video shows Pretty holding a phone. I 149 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: have to call out as well the journalistic work of 150 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: Router's the Newswy agency. They were kind of the first 151 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: after this incident to give fact checked video that they 152 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: could relocate and verify. And I guess that means that 153 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: we have a federal perspective on this killing, which is 154 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 3: at this stage at odds with what the video is 155 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 3: showing us. What has the response been to all of 156 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 3: this at the state and local level. 157 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: So Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frye, who I mentioned earlier, he's 158 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: called for US President Donald Trump to end the quote 159 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: invasion of these heavily armed, masked agents roaming the streets, 160 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: emboldened with a sense of impunity. 161 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: And he's formally requested. 162 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 2: Assistance from the National Guard that's like a reserve military 163 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: force to support the city's quote limited number of officers. 164 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: And Minnesota Governor Tim. 165 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: Walls, who we know from being the vice presidential candidate 166 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: for Kamala. 167 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: Harris exactly, he's called on the Trump administration to let 168 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: the state lead the investigation into Pretty's killing. He called 169 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: it quote organized brutality, and said the state's justice system 170 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: quote must have the last word. 171 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: In service of that. 172 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, so basically, local authorities 173 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: has been granted a temporary restraining order to stop federal 174 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: agents from quote altering or destroying any evidence connected to 175 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 2: this weekend's shooting. Right, and we've also heard from former 176 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: President Barack Obama, who has accused Trump of failing to 177 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 2: impose quote discipline and accountability over his agents, saying they 178 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 2: are employing quote unprecedented tactics. 179 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: So it sounds like there's a bit of a battle 180 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: now between law enforcement agencies and federal agencies from different 181 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 3: parts of the government. But at the heart of this 182 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 3: story is an in individual. Have we heard anything from 183 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: Pretty's family? 184 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: In a statement given to media on Sunday, his parents, 185 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: Michael and Susan, called him a quote kind hearted soul 186 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: who cared deeply for his family and friends and also 187 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: the American veterans whom he cared for as an ICU nurse. 188 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 2: They said he wanted to make a difference, but unfortunately 189 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: will not be with us to see his impact. 190 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: And then late yesterday we also had a statement that 191 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 3: was released from two former presidents, Barack Obama you mentioned 192 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 3: before in connection with Bill Clinton, both calling for the 193 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: immediate halting of the ice operation in Minnesota as well. Yes, Lucy, 194 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: thank you for taking us through this. I'm sure it 195 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 3: will not be the last time that we discuss these 196 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: ice operations on this podcast, and thank you for joining 197 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: us for this Tuesday morning. We'll be back this afternoon 198 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 3: with some headlines. Until then, have a beautiful day. My 199 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 3: name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Aranda Bunjelung 200 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: Kalkotin woman from Gadigal country. 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