1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Get a. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and professional oversharer. 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview a different guest 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 2: about their highs as well as their lows, all in 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello today 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 2: on the pod, I have a long time mate jumping on. 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: His name is Charlie Goldsmith. You might have heard about 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: him before from his healing. He's also had a TV 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 2: show called The Healer, but we also talk about in 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: this EP his passion for health and he actually helped 13 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: me nearly ten years ago. 14 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: Works through an indisorder. Literally he took me under his wing. 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: I live with him for lax three months and he 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: helped me, really, I want to say, fall in love 17 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 2: with food properly again, like understand. 18 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: The purpose of food. 19 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: I was using it to self sabotage and it's like 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: I was leaning on food for all the wrong reasons 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: and he really helped me to work on that relationship 22 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: with food. So I thought we were talking heaps about 23 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: his healing in this et, but we ended up kind 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: of going down this health and wellness path, which I'm 25 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: really excited about because that's my memories of my time 26 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: with Charlie. So it was really awesome to have him 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: on the pod. He's a very passionate person, his kind 28 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, this guy just 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: cares so much and it was an absolute honor to 30 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: have you on the pod. 31 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: CG. Hope you guys like it. 32 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: Charlie Goldsmith. I'm so pumped out in this podcast for 33 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: so many reasons. So you're a healer, you're a businessman, 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: an inventor, you're an entrepreneur, but you're also my friend 35 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: of Do you know how many years you know? 36 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 3: I don't, but it's got to be quite a few 37 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 3: at this point, doesn't it. 38 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: I checked last night. Eighteen years eighteen years. I met 39 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: you when I was eighteen, Yeah, and I've just turned 40 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: thirty six. 41 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 4: Well when you're DJing, yeah yeah. 42 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: And do you remember. 43 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: Your favorite drink at the bar back in the non 44 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: health less healthy days? 45 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 3: Oh god, I'm sure my liver can remember my favorite 46 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: back then. 47 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: It didn't exist at most bars. It involved a sweet 48 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: drink beginning with r ah ribina right. 49 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 4: Beina yeah, amazing. 50 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: Yeah right beta in vodka. 51 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, you got me. 52 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: This is when I was eighteen, so you would have 53 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: been like, you're only for years older than me. 54 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I forty one. 55 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: Hell do you just turn thirty six? 56 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, so ribina is true. Sweet. 57 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: I was never I never liked the flavor of alcohol 58 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 3: like some people seem to, so I needed to I 59 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: needed to hide it masket. 60 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: Then that was one of my first memories of you, 61 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: because we're both from Melbourne, and so I went through 62 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: last night. I did a little bit of time and 63 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, so the DJ party days. But 64 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: then you built one of my first websites as well, 65 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 2: via a cassette. 66 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 4: We did so I can't remember anything I had. I 67 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 4: was like, I had a little I do remember that. 68 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 4: I do, I actually do remember. 69 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: And then I had a lot of trouble with an 70 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: eating disorder and you really really helped me. 71 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: In so many ways. 72 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: And we went away to Perth and then you gave 73 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: me a roof over my head for many months. 74 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: How's you and lectured you. 75 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I learned so much. 76 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: I remember that more. That's probably more. I'm not surprised 77 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: I don't remember my drinking days. But I flanked it out. 78 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 4: But yes, I remember that. 79 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you legit. So I was like, I made 80 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: a little history of us. 81 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: But then I was like, ah, you've done so many 82 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: incredible things, and I believe you're very self made and 83 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: everything you do and you create, you kind of like 84 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: get an idea for something like Cassette. Is it true 85 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: that you were like nineteen when you set that business up? 86 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 4: Well, I sort of. 87 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 3: I was nineteen when I started doing the sort of 88 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 3: fundamentals that became that business. So I taught myself how 89 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 3: to use like photoshop and programs like that, and then 90 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: someone asked me to make a presentation for them, and 91 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 3: then they offered me money, which was nice. 92 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 4: I needed the money. 93 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: And then sort of after a few little jobs for them, 94 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 3: it sort of became a business. It was about twenty 95 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: when Cassette started. And then yeah, I mean in my 96 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 3: laund room. It was not anything like it's become. But yes, 97 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: it started very organically and very brick by brick. 98 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 2: How cool because I remember coming to your office in 99 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: Richmond and like having meetings with you there, and I 100 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: just I love that you've kind of always I feel 101 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: like you've always. 102 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: Marched the beat of your own drum. 103 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: Like other memories that I share with you is when 104 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: you own celebrate health and we'd go to the actual 105 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 2: factories and you'd be like, come on, you come with me, 106 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: and you would be bringing out like a really healthy 107 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: sugar free sauce, and that range became like twenty different items, 108 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: didn't they do? 109 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, you've done a lot 110 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: of amazing stuff. I haven't even touched on the meta. 111 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: I've got this problem that when I have an idea, 112 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 3: I really want to do it, despite the ramifications of 113 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 3: trying to do something, as you know, with your even 114 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 3: just with your coffee. 115 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 4: It's hard. 116 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: It's hard, you know, and I'm trying. Actually, I'm at 117 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 3: the point in my life where i'm middle aged now, 118 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 3: which someone told me no social media, and I've I've 119 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 3: just realized I've had enough of following through with every 120 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 3: idea I've got because I have a new idea every 121 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: day pretty much, and I always think they're good, regardless 122 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: of whether they are actually good or not. And I 123 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: suffer definitely from when I have an idea of want 124 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: to actually do it. So it's a good thing, it 125 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: can be quite healthy, but it also can be dangerous, 126 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 3: you know, because you keep wanting to do things and 127 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: sometimes you want to rest and instead you come up 128 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 3: with an idea to do the next thing. 129 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: But I feel like that's innately who you are. 130 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: You're virgo as well, Like you set and you set 131 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: your goals your mind to something and then you go 132 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: ahead and do it, like whether it fails or not, 133 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: or you sell, like you've sold a few businesses and companies, 134 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 2: right yeap, Like Okay, I definitely want to get onto healing. 135 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: But can we talk about your passion for health because 136 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: I'm a trained nutritionist and you were teaching me about 137 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: health when I was living with you, Like you really 138 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: helped me understand that I had a really unhealthy relationship 139 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 2: with food and I was totally obsessed with all the 140 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 2: wrong things and sugar as well. 141 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 4: You did like sugar, Yeah. 142 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: I did. 143 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 2: And I think for you one thing that for me 144 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: knowing over the years you've kind of had this real 145 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: it's like you've always honored your own health and you've 146 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: always respected your own health, but you also you walk 147 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: the talk. 148 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: So if you tell me, lol, you should be eating. 149 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: Like in one of my books, I wrote Charlie's salad 150 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: with salmon. Remember that salmon salad. You'd make over it, 151 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: we'd make it. It was on high rotation. Is it 152 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: still in your life that salad? 153 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: I had to quit it because I realized that the 154 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: salmon that I was getting more easily is no good 155 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: for you. So back then, no one we didn't really 156 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: know that as much and as soon i've sort of 157 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: my my personality type is no matter how much I 158 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: like something, once I find out it's not good for me, 159 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: that's the last time I have it. So I did 160 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: love a salad salmon, and what I just say, it's 161 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: in center backwards. I did love a salmon and salad, 162 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: And now if I find a wild salmon, then I'll 163 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: have it. And you can get that from some places, 164 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: typically frozen, and you know around here. So I will 165 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: do it sometimes, but it's not a staple because health. 166 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: Health is such an evolving thing. It's like what we 167 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: think is healthy today, in another couple of years, we 168 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 3: might find out that it's not for some reason, which 169 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: can happen, or it's not good for me for some reason. 170 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: And so I think that's where I've always despite you know, 171 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 3: I'm not a trained nutritionist or anything like that. I 172 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 3: think that there's knowledge and then there's the ability to 173 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 3: apply knowledge, and those two things are not, you know, 174 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: connected at the hip. They should be, but they're not. 175 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 3: So you can know everything you need to know and 176 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 3: not have the discipline or the follow through or the 177 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: motivation to actually stick to that. And I think for 178 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 3: me that's something the one thing I've always had. I've 179 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 3: always been really interested in health and had the ability 180 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 3: to then be able to change in a moment and go, Okay, 181 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: well that's not good for me, I'm not going to 182 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 3: do it. 183 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, you are very, very disciplined, much more than I am. 184 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: I also had a very and I don't know that 185 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: you have ever had this, but like I had such 186 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: a psychological connection to what I was eating, whereas you 187 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: felt much more black and white about like, well that's 188 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: not healthy, so don't poison your self, lolla. 189 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: You know you had such a clear. 190 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: And simple I would say your healthy thoss has always 191 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 2: been quite simple and straight down the line. 192 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: You agree, I. 193 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 3: Think so, And I mean I do understand that it 194 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: does get complex when we have, you know, when we're 195 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: sort of self using things like food or drugs or 196 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: anything to self sabotage as well. So you know, I 197 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: find that, like last night, for example, I bingeate frozen berries. 198 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: So at least if I do, I think we're all 199 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: capable of having those moments, those weeks, those days, those meals, 200 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: those periods where we are actually we lose self control 201 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: because we're not in a good place or exhaust whatever. 202 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 4: So what I've. 203 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 3: Always tried to do is make sure that my out 204 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 3: of control with things that are intelligent but also satisfying. Yeah, 205 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: so you know, a bowl of frozen berries, you know 206 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 3: you're still getting probably it was probably too much sugar still, 207 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: but with the amount I ate, but your thoughts are benefits. 208 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 3: And I still won't feel as good the next day 209 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: as I ordinarily would, But that's very different to have 210 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: that had been It's equally suspect, and yeah, that would 211 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 3: that would be worse. So I think that that's what 212 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 3: you know, Like, over the years, very few people escape 213 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: from having difficult periods, But I think if you can 214 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: channel it at things that aren't the worst, then you know, 215 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: you get through it more easily. 216 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 2: My memory of living with you was blueberries and Sheep's 217 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: yogurt was your favorite. 218 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I still like that my daughter loves her sheep 219 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: shogat and raspberries, so we still have it in the 220 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 3: house and I have it sometimes, but I don't respond 221 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 3: that well to definitely not to dairy products. And I 222 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: can have some sheep yoga, but I can't have it 223 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 3: too often or I suffer it. So that's and it's 224 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: hard if you have one part of yogat, it's very 225 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 3: hard not to have one hundred more. Yeah, So that's 226 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: also been something I've been good at, is knowing exactly 227 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: that that there's some things that you're better off to 228 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 3: have no bites than one, do you. 229 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 4: Know what I mean? So like if you've got like 230 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 4: I've got a bucket of. 231 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 3: Blueberries in the fridge, and if I have one today, 232 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 3: I'll have a hundred, but if I have none, I'll 233 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 3: have none. And I know that sounds sort of logical, 234 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 3: but it's but anyway, but it's it's that little bit 235 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 3: can make you go much further, especially if it's got 236 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: sugar in it, because you're suddenly like, oh, give me 237 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: all that sugar. So I've That's also where I've sort 238 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: of been quite good at knowing the part the gateway 239 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 3: to overdoing something and making sure that I don't. 240 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: I can relate to that totally because you and I 241 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: are both living in a similar part of Australia where 242 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: we have access to incredible blueberry so cheap. 243 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 4: So cheap. 244 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: It's a whole bucket for like twenty five dollars for 245 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 3: a kiloh and. 246 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 2: They're the best, the new Eva Blue reasons, They're amazing. 247 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: It's smug. I don't as you were describing. 248 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 2: I was like, so we do we my boyfriend I 249 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 2: when we bite, we're like, we're just going to get 250 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: a carton this week and make the last like four days. 251 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: Are we going to get go all out and get 252 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: the bucket? So if we have the bucket, we eat 253 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 2: too many, so we try to get the carton. 254 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: It's the same thing. 255 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: But I, yeah, I can can relate to you with 256 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: the health stuff. I was just really excited to talk 257 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: to you about your vision and perspective on health because 258 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: I spent last night on my Good Habits website and 259 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 2: it looks cool. You've got meditation, you've got food, nutrition, 260 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 2: you've got. 261 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: Movement as well, don't you. So is it like a program, 262 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: like a health program? 263 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a health program basically in my work, 264 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 3: I get a lot of people coming to me for help, 265 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: and they're usually when I look at them, typically I 266 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: see a lot of things they could be doing for themselves. 267 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: And I think that, you know, in my own personal 268 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: health experience and what I've witnessed in others, is that 269 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: you know, ninety percent of things can be done through 270 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: you know, those sorts of things you just mentioned through 271 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 3: you know, meditation, certainly, diet and exercise is probably number 272 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: one and two and two and one, I think, and 273 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: then and then there's lots of other things. Just dealing 274 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 3: with our own trauma is a big one, to deal 275 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: with those food addictions and things. And I and I've 276 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 3: seen by making that program a lot of people who 277 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 3: had come to me for help don't need it anymore, 278 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 3: you know. And I think it's much more powerful that 279 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 3: that that if you can teach someone to be healthy themselves, 280 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: you're going to help them or they're going to help 281 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: themselves from you know, hopefully all the problems they've got 282 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 3: and also the things that may have come or that 283 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: would have come that now won't come in the future, 284 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: you know, So that I find that much more satisfying 285 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 3: as a human to teach people you know that analogy 286 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 3: of teaching people how to fish. And I think with 287 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 3: health it's so critical because we're so disempowered by industry, 288 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 3: you know, from if I have a rash, I go 289 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: the doctor, get a cream, and I just keep putting 290 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: the cream on. Whereas what if it's just a simple 291 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: change to not have that rash, and then what does 292 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 3: the rash? You know, what is that symbolizing? Is is 293 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 3: my immune system you know, struggling and have I got inflammation? 294 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: And so the rash might just be the first thing. 295 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: You know, the next thing might be arthritis or you know, 296 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: some sort of pain condition, or you know, lots of 297 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 3: different things that can potentially come and and so I 298 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 3: think that it's sad to me how many things there 299 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: are out there that are really disempowering, and how many 300 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: people are like I'm not well, who or what can 301 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: fix me instead of asking themselves or how can I 302 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 3: fix myself? Something interesting, it's probably not in your questions, 303 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: but occasionally I post on my social media about you know, 304 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 3: the effects of you know, diet and illness and certainly 305 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 3: more recently, the correlation between obesity and severe illness with COVID, 306 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 3: which is which is just quite quite clear. It was 307 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 3: obvious before they had the studies, you know, so that 308 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 3: we we sort of knew that people who were already 309 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 3: unhealthy would would potentially have a lot worse outcomes. 310 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 4: But that's true for everything. 311 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 3: The person that is very unhealthy is going to be 312 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: more likely to get injured when they when they do activity, 313 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: They're going to be more likely to have you know, 314 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: sleep issues, hormonal issues, mood stuff, because you. 315 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 4: Know, their body is not working properly. 316 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 3: And I found it really fascinating that that when I 317 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: posted it, there were people who who you know, were 318 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: positive about, you know, understanding that and positive in that. 319 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 3: They were like, you know, thank you for sharing that. 320 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to address my issues. And then there were 321 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: other people and this is the most interesting, that accused 322 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 3: me of fat shaming. And and when they accused me 323 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: of fat shaming, they would say, you know, well you're 324 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 3: fat shaming, and I would be like, well, I'm I 325 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: didn't fat shame. Anyone just said there's a correlation between 326 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 3: you know, severe illness of COVID but also heart disease, 327 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 3: type two diabetes, all these things with information, yeah, and 328 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 3: so and then I got questions, well, what are you 329 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 3: going to do about it? And I was like, oh, 330 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: I didn't know that was my job, but but I 331 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: guess what I would do about it is I'd like 332 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: to see more education for people. I'd like to see 333 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: maybe taxes on the very unhealthy foods and subsidies on 334 00:16:55,280 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: healthy food, and then I would like to see Okay, 335 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: So when I did when I said that, people would 336 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 3: say to me, well, that's just you're just now attacking 337 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: poor people. It's attacks on poor people. And I'm like, well, 338 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 3: you can't win if you can't put support in. And 339 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 3: so what that led me to do, which I found 340 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 3: even more interesting because people then accuse me of being 341 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: out of touch, like you've got, you've got, you're rich. 342 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 3: They I'm not rich, so don't believe that. But that's 343 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 3: obviously the impression people have, and therefore you don't understand 344 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 3: what it's like to be poor and not be able 345 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 3: to afford healthy food. And that I was like, well, 346 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 3: that's what the subsist is would be for. But so 347 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 3: then it prompted me to I went onto the coal's 348 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 3: website and you know, I'm not a coal shopper except 349 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 3: for if I absolutely have to. You know, they've got 350 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 3: some things that you can't avoid. But so I was like, okay, well, 351 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 3: if I needed to make a meal I would eat for. 352 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 4: You know, for dinner or for lunch. How much that 353 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 4: cost me from coals? 354 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: Because I know, you know, I do eat organic, which 355 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 3: is a bit more expensive, and I go to farmers' 356 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 3: markets and local and everything, and I don't really know 357 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 3: what a meal costs me. If I'm totally honest, I 358 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: don't not down to that sort of detail. So I 359 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: went on and I made a meal. I got an 360 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: XCEL document out, and I worked out based on how 361 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 3: much you need to eat, so you know, you need 362 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 3: one hundred to one hundred and fifty grams of meat. 363 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 4: You need you know, half your plate full of. 364 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 3: Greens and or not meat a protein sorry vegans. 365 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 4: And then you need you know. 366 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 3: A cup half a cup to a cup of starchy 367 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 3: carbage carbohydrates, and the total meal costs. 368 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: Have a guess, that's gonna be really cheap. It's gonna 369 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: be cheap than we think, isn't it. 370 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 4: I think? So again I'm out of touch. Remember but 371 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 4: seven bucks, no, two dollars fifty No, yeah, it was 372 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 4: two fifty to about maybe three ten. 373 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: Or something less than a McDonald's meal. 374 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: It's much less. And this is what I would like 375 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 3: to eat. So I was making a meal that would 376 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 3: suit me. So you know, either rice or sweet potato 377 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 3: is your car. 378 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 4: But it's But the. 379 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: Thing that makes it inexpensive is knowing how much of 380 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 3: each thing you need to have. So you don't need 381 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: more than that sort of one hundred to one hundred 382 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: and fifty grams of your protein or your meat, not 383 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 3: total protein, but a piece of meat, just like a 384 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 3: third to a half of a chicken breast. You don't 385 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 3: need more than half a cup to a cup of rice. 386 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 3: That doesn't cost almost over eating. Well, what I found 387 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 3: we don't know how much to eat, and we have 388 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 3: this belief that it's expensive to be healthy, and it's not. 389 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 3: I would choose to be to eat the right ingredients, 390 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 3: non organic any day over organic crap. So organic is 391 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 3: not the number one priority. 392 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: Real food is. 393 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 3: The other thing I found interesting, and I know this 394 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 3: is none of this is on your list of talk about, 395 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 3: but it's what I want to talk about, is that 396 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 3: I spent years ago, I and I spent about a 397 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 3: month in Africa and what and this isn't necessarily a 398 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 3: good thing. 399 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 4: But this is just the truth. 400 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: I was staying in an orphanage doing some volunteering and 401 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 3: there were no fat people. And so what that tells 402 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: me is that being being fat isn't anything to do 403 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 3: with or in fact, countries like Africa and I read this, 404 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 3: I looked this up the other day because this is 405 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 3: a current subject for me that I'm really interested in. 406 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: Their obesity rate has grown as their middle class has 407 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: grown and they can afford the western crab food. So 408 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 3: whereas where I was, it was like out of the city, 409 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 3: and it was, like I said, an orphanage. 410 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 4: They weren't eating great like you wouldn't. 411 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 3: You'd wish they could eat better, But they were essentially 412 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: eating bulls behind like some some grains like cassava or 413 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 3: probably rice, stuff like that, and then and very small 414 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 3: amounts of meat. And they're the healthiest, most energetic children 415 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 3: I've ever happy too. 416 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, they were. 417 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 3: They were certainly happy, I mean, especially given the circumstances, 418 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 3: very happy. 419 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 4: And and so. 420 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 3: We have this problem at the moment, and it's a 421 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 3: really big problem that we think that that that if 422 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 3: you're poor or of less financial means that there's an 423 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 3: obesity correlation because of your financial situation. And it's not 424 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 3: true because throughout history, no poor people have ever been overweight. 425 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 4: That was rich people. 426 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 3: And now what's happened is now people of less I 427 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: don't I don't like to use the word poor, that 428 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 3: doesn't sound very kind, but people of less financial means. 429 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: But also in this case, less educate are able to 430 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: afford crap food, but it's not expensive to make. 431 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 4: Real food, real food. Yeah, it's really not. 432 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 3: Like. I was a bit surprised and I feel like 433 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 3: a bit of an asshole for when that question was 434 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 3: put to me, Like you're out of touch because you 435 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 3: can afford to eat how you want to eat. 436 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 4: I thought, am I is that true? 437 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 3: Like? What would I do if you know, at any minute, 438 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: as a business owner, you can have you could lose 439 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 3: everything and have no money. I mean, it can happen 440 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 3: any time, and I don't think anyone would want to 441 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 3: hire me for much at this point in my life, 442 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 3: so I'd be in trouble if I, you know. 443 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 4: And I was like, well, what would I eat? And 444 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 4: it's two dollars fifty. 445 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 3: Now I'm not saying that that suits everyone either, so 446 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 3: some people won't even have that for me, and I 447 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 3: understand there's obviously going to be going to be there's 448 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: always going to be a gap at the bottom, you know, totally. 449 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you brought this up, though, because this 450 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: is one of your passions, which is like, I believe 451 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: one of your causes to make being how the accessible 452 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 2: to more as many humans as possible. Correct, which also 453 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: then brings me to your healing because you don't charge 454 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: for that. 455 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: Is that correct? 456 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 4: Correct? 457 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 2: And so I think it just fits in perfectly with 458 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 2: your like value system that you're so passionate about this 459 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: and passionate about educating people about good health and good values. 460 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 3: My whole thing is that just because something is valuable 461 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 3: doesn't mean we need to charge a lot for it. 462 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 3: It's a real problem in the world. As soon as 463 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: people get popular, they start charging a lot, and then 464 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 3: only rich people can afford it. And so like even 465 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 3: you know, I don't when I work on people. So 466 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 3: if someone asked me to help them, and I do, 467 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 3: I never charge for that. About a year ago I 468 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: started teaching, and I do charge to teach, but very little. 469 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 3: So with my you know, I've built my way to 470 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 3: having I think a good reputation for healing, and I 471 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 3: could charge thousands of dollars to teach totally, and I 472 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: think it's eighty dollars or something, you know. So I 473 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 3: made it it as and then and we also give 474 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 3: it for free to anyone who can't afford it. So 475 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 3: and the point of that is, like you have to 476 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 3: charge something because there are costs, you know, But at 477 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 3: the same time, I don't want it to be unaccessible 478 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: to people. Like when I see transcendental meditation costs one thousand. 479 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: Dollars, and I'm like, costs ridiculous. 480 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 4: I could teach you in thirty seconds. 481 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: I've done my Raiki masters too that costs. 482 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I cost a lot, and you know, it could 483 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 3: be more effective. So I think that, But this happens everywhere. 484 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 3: It's like these things come out like they say, literally 485 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 3: everyone in the world should know transcendental meditation, and then 486 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 3: they make it so no one can afford it. 487 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then they. 488 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 3: Tell you that you're not allowed to teach anyone. And 489 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: so I see all this and I think or someone 490 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 3: like me who becomes you know, well known for what 491 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: I do, and now I'm charging twenty thousand dollars, you know, 492 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 3: which I just wouldn't do so. And I see that everywhere. 493 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 3: It's like everything because it's popular. You see that commercially 494 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 3: people can't help but charge a lot. I went to 495 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 3: a talk by Eckhart Toll, who I admire, but there 496 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 3: was one thousand dollars or something or it was really 497 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 3: I forget the amount. 498 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 4: Forget. 499 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: I just said a thousand dollars. It felt like a thousand, 500 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 3: so it was a lot. I can't remember years ago, 501 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: but I'm like, but but don't you want everyone to 502 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: know this? Like why should it only be for rich 503 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 3: people to be able to afford it? And I think 504 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 3: that in some cases, and food is the example, like 505 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 3: I was giving before, where it's actually isn't unaffordable. When 506 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 3: I came back with that answer, when I was battling 507 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 3: people online about the food things, someone said, well, what 508 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 3: if someone doesn't have a stove, and I was like, 509 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 3: for Fox's sake, I can't. 510 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 4: There is going to be a bottom. But let's say 511 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 4: that we. 512 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 3: Did educate everyone and we had healthy people. I bet 513 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 3: you the bottom would become much more supported. I think 514 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 3: that if we there will always be those people that 515 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 3: can't afford the two dollars fifty for the meal or 516 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 3: they can't don't have the environment in which. 517 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 4: To cook in and all that sort of stuff. 518 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 3: But I think that if we had a typically healthy world, 519 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: then it would be very different, and I think that 520 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 3: those people would be fed because you know, I think 521 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 3: in a world where we all knew how to cook, 522 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 3: we all wanted to be healthy, we wouldn't see as 523 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: many you know, fast food restaurants would be struggling to survive. 524 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 3: And even like people saying, you know, well you can 525 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 3: buy fast food, this happens in America a lot cheaper 526 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: than you can make it for it's just simply not. 527 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 4: True because if they made it, yeah, and they've. 528 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 3: Got they've had to buy raw ingredients, like yes, they 529 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 3: get them cheaper than you can, but then they've got 530 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 3: to pay for packaging, the factories, delivery. Then there's margins 531 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 3: from the factory to the distributor to the store. Everyone's 532 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 3: making thirty to fifty. 533 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 4: To one hundred percent. 534 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 3: So a meal that you pay ten dollars in a 535 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: restaurant for in Australia has cost them about two dollars 536 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 3: to tell us fifty to make. 537 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: Wow, how interesting. 538 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 3: So of course we can make food ourselves and then 539 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 3: typically what restaurants do is they make food that's really 540 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 3: out of balance anyway. So you go to a steak 541 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 3: restaurant or whatever, and you get this three hundred or 542 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: gram piece. You don't need that, No, you need a 543 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 3: third of that, yeah, you know. So that's the other 544 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 3: problem is you go to these restaurants where you're you're 545 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: paying the food, you're not literally getting even food in 546 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 3: any kind of good balance. 547 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 4: So and that can throw the. 548 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: Prices because because then you know, your meal costs a 549 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: lot because it's just a giant piece of meat, and 550 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: then that's going to cost you a lot of money. 551 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 2: And I think as a consumer that can be confusing 552 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 2: as well, because you are getting used to when you 553 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 2: go out getting this like really high card. 554 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 4: Meal or really super high calorie. 555 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 2: Salt as well, like taste buds change every forty into 556 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: twenty one days. 557 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: So I understand all this. 558 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 2: Can I say that having done hotel quarantine, you can 559 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 2: do I did hotel quarantine. 560 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: You can do a lot with a kettle. 561 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 2: Yeah right, you can boil eggs in a kettle, Yeah right, 562 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: you can, you know. And I was just ordering stuff 563 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: from Wolli's and it will get delivered at your do 564 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 2: and so again that probably sounds like a rich person's problem, 565 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: but it was no, it's. 566 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 4: I get it, and you found a way. 567 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 3: And that's the thing is that if you are educated, 568 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 3: so you are educated, you found a way. So the 569 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 3: education thing is massive, but the education around how to 570 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 3: do it, and then the other education, which is a 571 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: big one of that you can only learn by doing, 572 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: is what it feels like. So I can tell you 573 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 3: that it feels better to eat healthy food consistently, but. 574 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 4: Only by doing it will you understand. 575 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 3: And so that's the education that's missing too, is that 576 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 3: there's you know, throughout every country probably except for you know, 577 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 3: Sweden and a few countries like that, they don't even 578 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 3: we don't even understand what health feels like, let alone 579 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 3: that we can afford it, let alone that it's much. 580 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 4: Easier than not. 581 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: And it's like and literally at the moment, like if 582 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 3: I got on my Instagram today and posted something about, 583 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 3: you know, all all people should eat a healthy diet, 584 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 3: people will literally attack me for shaming and I'm like, 585 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,959 Speaker 3: but it's still true. And so there's this disempowerment at 586 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 3: the moment. It's actually pretty vicious where people will literally 587 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: say no. You can't say that you're shaming them. You 588 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 3: don't understand. They work two jobs, they don't have time. 589 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 3: It's like, well, well, hold on, you have to find 590 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 3: the time, because what happens by being healthy is you 591 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 3: find more time. I'll give you a quick example. Is 592 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 3: that my health program we offer it. We offer it 593 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 3: when I was first doing it, And it's the same 594 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 3: with my healing thing. We offered for people to either 595 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 3: pay the price or come or send us a message 596 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 3: and say that I can't afford it, and this is 597 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 3: what I can afford, or I can't afford anything. And 598 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: we were set to say no, no to no one. 599 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 3: And what I found is that a lot of people 600 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 3: who had asked for it for nothing initially, six months 601 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 3: later would write to us and say, I can afford 602 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 3: it now because I quit smoking, or because I was 603 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 3: spending a lot more on food because yes the food 604 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 3: was cheap, but I was eating. 605 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: A ship a lot of it because it's empty. 606 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 3: Correct, And or even my depression was making me pay 607 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 3: for things that were unnecessary. So through health, now I 608 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 3: have more money, you know, more, my brain is working better. 609 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 3: I'm able to earn more money, you know. So that's 610 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 3: the other thing I know personally, my ability to succeed 611 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 3: in this world is absolutely tied to my health. 612 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: I would agree with you one hundred percent. 613 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 4: Yeah and so, but people don't realize. 614 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: Douse you feel clear, you're emotionally more balanced. 615 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 3: Better decisions, people want to work with you more. You know, 616 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 3: if you're when you're when you're glowing with health people, 617 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 3: it's like magnetic. Yeah, you know, there's it feels much 618 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 3: more trustworthy for some reason. There's just like and I'm 619 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 3: not like I'll probably get in trouble for saying that too. 620 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 3: I'm just saying it makes you feel like people when 621 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 3: they're glowing, it feels very magnetic. 622 00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: We've talked about it before. 623 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 2: You can walk into a room and feel the people 624 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 2: that are energetically healthy as well, like yes, physically, but 625 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: also probably have a good sense of who they are 626 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: and what their values are. And like you're one of 627 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: those people that's like, well, this is who I am. 628 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: I know who I am, and I'm really. 629 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: Okay with that. I know we're getting into more like 630 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 2: emotional and some. 631 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 3: Good it matters too, you know, it's all come together. 632 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 3: But I feel like, no matter how much emotional work 633 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 3: I do and I've done. If I'm not getting the 634 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 3: rest of it right, then. 635 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: It's a combo. 636 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: I can't interview without talking about the healing journey of 637 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 2: your life because I'll keep an eye. 638 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 4: Promy you're right. I told them i'd be late. 639 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: Legend Charlie picked it. He was like, I think we're 640 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 2: going to go a little bit over. I've obviously experienced 641 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 2: firsthand your abilities, but can we go back to when 642 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 2: you're eighteen years old, you're at the health retreat, you're 643 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 2: at Brecky. 644 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: I think can you share that story? 645 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 4: I'll try and give a short version. 646 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 3: Essentially, I was doing work experience at health retreatment Camp Eaten, 647 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 3: and I sat down at breakfast one day and as 648 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 3: I went to get my knife and fork my hands, 649 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 3: it's like it's like I was holding two strong magnets 650 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 3: and they pulled together forcefully, and I as that happened, 651 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 3: I went to pull them apart, and I could feel, 652 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 3: you know, a really immense amount of magnetism between my hands, 653 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 3: and in that moment, I thought, you know, I've lost it. 654 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 3: I've just lost my mind. There's something I'm feeling, something 655 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 3: I can't see, and people around me saw I was young. 656 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 3: I was eighteen, and people around me were like, are 657 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 3: you okay? And I didn't really realize that my eyes 658 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 3: were welling up because I was not okay. I was 659 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 3: in my own head. I was like, oh, no, this 660 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 3: is the end, you know, I've I've properly lost my mind. 661 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 3: And anyway, so it turned out other people could feel 662 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 3: this thing coming out of my hand. And then one 663 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 3: of the people who came up to feel this thing 664 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 3: had this lump in that I could feel that was 665 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 3: sort of probably an inch above one of their fingers, 666 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 3: and I was like, that's so weird. 667 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 4: You've got this lump that I can feel. Anyway, So I. 668 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 3: For some reason, I didn't even know why I was 669 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 3: doing it, but I was trying to smooth this lump out, 670 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 3: and eventually, when I was done, this woman started moving 671 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 3: her finger and she was crying, and she was like, 672 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 3: I haven't been able to bend this finger for ten 673 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 3: years or whatever it was. So that was the first 674 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: thing that ever happened to me. I've just shortened that 675 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 3: story a little bit, but that was the first thing 676 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 3: that ever happened. And then from there it just turned 677 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 3: out that I could consistently affect people's physical health rapidly. 678 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 3: So that was how do I say? I was forty one, 679 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 3: so that was a long time ago. And since then, yeah, 680 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 3: really it's been. 681 00:33:59,360 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 4: A very. 682 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 3: A very good tool for positively affecting a lot of 683 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 3: people's health totally. 684 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: I've listened to a couple of podcasts, but I listened 685 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: to one where initially, when you were younger, you were 686 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 2: kind of like helping as many people as you could 687 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 2: at the cost of. 688 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: Your own burnout. How have you learned now, because. 689 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: Obviously you've got little Rocky, your daughter, how have you 690 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 2: learned how to kind of conserve yourself? 691 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 4: Well, lots of ways. I don't do as much as 692 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 4: I used to. 693 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 3: I try to, you know, from something I do multiple 694 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 3: times a day every day in the past, I can 695 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 3: sometimes have days without doing it. So that's big, and 696 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 3: I won't if I don't feel good, I won't do 697 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 3: it now, and so that's also big. That's not a 698 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 3: boundary I had when I was younger. I used to 699 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 3: justify actually that, you know, the problems I was working 700 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 3: on were worse than the problems it was giving me 701 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 3: to do it, so I would just keep doing it. 702 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 3: But then as i've got older, I've sort of you know, 703 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 3: having a daughter, and also you know, just getting older 704 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 3: is hard, so so I'm more careful. 705 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 4: And then what I want to do. 706 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 3: Mostly is sort of have impact on this this world 707 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 3: that doesn't know. 708 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 4: About these things. So I try to focus on the 709 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 4: sort of the very. 710 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 3: High the high value things. When I say value, I 711 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 3: mean things that can affect change, so like doing a 712 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 3: study in a hospital or you know, you know, public demonstrations. 713 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 3: So when I go on my Facebook and I demonstrate 714 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 3: all the teaching even so I can sort of you know, 715 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 3: create more and more normalcy around this sort of stuff. 716 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 3: So I never wanted to be a practitioner where I 717 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 3: was just working on people all day every day. But 718 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 3: what I'd like to do is be part of, you know, 719 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 3: creating an environment where people who do want to be 720 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 3: practitioners all day every day have a world that feels 721 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 3: like that's normal and okay. 722 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: I love that. And that's where the teaching comes into. 723 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 3: It, right, Yeah, So the teaching I never realized I 724 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 3: could teach it. I always sort of thought it was 725 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 3: something people would have or they didn't like I did. 726 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 3: And then people kept asking me and asking me, and 727 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 3: I finally said, well, I can't teach you how to 728 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 3: do it. I can show you how I do it 729 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 3: and then you can try it and if that works, 730 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 3: then that's great. So that's the premise in which I 731 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 3: teach people. And basically what I do is I do 732 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 3: like three day live zoom courses where you know, a 733 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 3: bunch of people sign up at their free will, and 734 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 3: then I will pick people out of the zoom at 735 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 3: random that have issues and then I'll work on them 736 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 3: and I talk through exactly what I'm doing. And I 737 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 3: didn't know the first time how would that translate, you know, 738 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 3: will people be able to do it or not? And 739 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 3: what I have had is a lot of anecdotal feedback 740 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 3: of people getting results that sort of resemble, which is cool, 741 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 3: so cool, it's really cool. So I didn't expect that. 742 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 3: Actually that was a bit of it, and I said that 743 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 3: I was open about it. I'm like, look, you've asked 744 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 3: me to teach, and I'm going to try because for me, 745 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 3: healing isn't structured like I don't. I don't have a 746 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 3: you know, like some of these courses people do. It's 747 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 3: very structured. I see it as the opposite. I see 748 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 3: it a bit more like art where where structure really 749 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 3: gets in the way, you know. So not that I 750 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 3: would know because I can't do any art, but that's 751 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 3: how I imagine it. 752 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 2: And yeah, I've heard you say about it's like someone going, 753 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 2: can you describe it to me? And you're like, but 754 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 2: it's like describing walking. You have to walk, yeah to understand. 755 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 4: And I still believe that. 756 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 3: But what I'm doing now is I'm describing how I walk, 757 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 3: and it's working for people, so I you know, I 758 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 3: how many I don't know. I don't have the statistics 759 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 3: on how many who go to learn canon can't, but 760 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 3: I know a lot of people are coming back and saying, yeah, no, 761 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 3: I can do it, And even people who are reiki 762 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 3: masters and you know, pranic healers are like, I did 763 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 3: Rake here and I was, you know, okay, and then 764 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 3: I've now you've I've done what you've taught, and now 765 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 3: I'm healing like instantly like I do. 766 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,439 Speaker 2: Which is because what you do to me, as someone 767 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 2: that gets reiki and has got reiki and crystal healing 768 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 2: in the past, what you whatever I've experienced with you 769 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 2: feels quite different to that. 770 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 4: It is. I think it is different. 771 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I think, I mean, I haven't studied 772 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 3: those things, so you would actually know more about the 773 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 3: mechanics of that than I do. But all I know 774 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 3: is that my results typically seem to be a lot 775 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 3: stronger and fast and very fast. And so without knowing 776 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 3: the the the methods, I can tell there's a difference 777 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 3: just in results. And then and for me, you know, 778 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 3: when I teach, I basically explain to people that I'm 779 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 3: not here to teach you rules. I'm just going to 780 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 3: show how I do it, and then from there you 781 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 3: can try it and create your own ways. You don't 782 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 3: need to just be stuck on mind. So I'm sort 783 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 3: of teaching more of a freedom with healing as opposed 784 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 3: to this structure. 785 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 1: Oh, I really like that. 786 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,399 Speaker 2: And also just hearing you say that innately, that kind 787 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 2: of feels almost like it's the way. 788 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: It should be. 789 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 3: What's how I do it? And I think that you know, 790 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't tell anyone they're not allowed 791 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 3: to teach people. 792 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 4: I don't. 793 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 3: You know, I'm not a master of anything, and I'm 794 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 3: not teaching people to be masters either, you know, not 795 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 3: that that's wrong or right, but I'm just saying I 796 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 3: don't consider myself a master of healing. 797 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 4: I think I'm pretty. 798 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 3: Good at it, but I don't know what it is 799 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 3: to be a master, you know, So I'm not creating 800 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 3: rules around what people should do with it either. I 801 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 3: don't mind if people become practitioners and charge money for 802 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 3: doing it differently to me, I don't mind, you know. Like, 803 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 3: all I care about is that, if anything, I'd like 804 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 3: to see a world where everyone, you know, there's a 805 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 3: class at at some level in school, and everyone is 806 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 3: taught how to do this because you know what, maybe 807 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 3: one in ten, maybe ten and ten, maybe seven and ten. 808 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 4: I have not like this. 809 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,240 Speaker 1: Man, have you seen X men in the school for special. 810 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it might not be as special as it 811 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 3: appears because it's rare, you know. I think that that. 812 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 3: I mean, it's always going to be special. I mean, 813 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 3: it's special to hear anyone sing beautifully, so and it's 814 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 3: not rare, it's just not everyone can do it beautifully. 815 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 3: So I think I hope healing ends up being something 816 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 3: like that, where it is always special, because it's a 817 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 3: beautiful thing to see those sort of outcomes. But but 818 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 3: I would hope that it would be you know, you know, 819 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 3: something that you see all over the place, you know. 820 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 2: Can I quickly ask, how did the TV show come about? 821 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 4: Yeah? I did. I saw it by the way you've 822 00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 4: seen it. Yeah, you hadn't seen it. 823 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,320 Speaker 1: No, I saw it when it came out. 824 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 3: So so basically I did. 825 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 4: I was. I did a study. I was. 826 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 3: I was studied in a hospital in America. It's like 827 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 3: a pilot study. I guess it was sort of giving 828 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 3: me a stepping stone into a bigger study. And it 829 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 3: was quite successful. 830 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: It's not like eighty percent successful or something. 831 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was something like that. It was that about 832 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 3: eight and ten. It's my tip. It was sort of 833 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 3: my typical. 834 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 2: That's still insane. That's more than regular medicine, isn't it. 835 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 3: I would think that there wouldn't be many medicines that 836 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 3: across so many different issues get that sort of consistency. 837 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 4: But so after that, then I was. 838 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 3: I met the editor in chief of l magazine at 839 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 3: the time, and she asked if she could, if they 840 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 3: could do a story on my work, and I said, no, 841 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 3: not right now. 842 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 4: I'm not ready. 843 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 3: I'm not ready. I need to do more studies and 844 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 3: whatever and before I feel comfortable with that. And then 845 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 3: about a year later, I wasn't getting the opportunities to 846 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 3: do the more studies that I wanted to do, and 847 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 3: I went back to them. 848 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 4: I didn't even know it was a year. 849 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 3: It might have been six months, but it was a 850 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 3: time had passed and I felt a bit defeated that, 851 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,399 Speaker 3: you know, the first one didn't lead to the next one. 852 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 3: And so I said, you know what, I'm gonna Yeah, 853 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 3: if this will give me the opportunity to to get 854 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 3: more opportunities, then you know, I guess I'll do it. 855 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 3: And I felt uncomfortable because I didn't feel protected by 856 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 3: the science. I felt like I was exposing myself much 857 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 3: earlier than I ever planned. 858 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 4: But I thought, you know what, sometimes you just got 859 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 4: to you just got to do that. 860 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 3: So so they did their article and from that, within 861 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,280 Speaker 3: a very short time, I got a couple of TV 862 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 3: show offers, and again I was like, oh, I was 863 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 3: never in my periphery to have a TV show. I 864 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 3: thought someone would probably want to make a documentary at 865 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 3: some point, but I never expected a TV series, and 866 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 3: so yeah, I ended up doing it, and that's how 867 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 3: that happened. 868 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,399 Speaker 2: Wow, it was so incredible to watch because I think 869 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 2: timeline wise for me, I'd lived with you two years 870 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 2: before or a couple of years before, and then to 871 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 2: see what you were doing and the. 872 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: Effect it was having. 873 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 2: Be so profound on more than like I remember used 874 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 2: to say to you, Oh, come to the epicenter and 875 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 2: like chill with you when you do a healing and 876 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 2: so it was really nice to see it celebrated and 877 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,800 Speaker 2: kind of exposed on a bigger level. 878 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,240 Speaker 1: I know we're hitting time. 879 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 2: My final question is like how I'm so excited to 880 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 2: keep watching everything you do because you always blow me 881 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 2: away with any project. I'm still obsessed with Pumpy Jackson 882 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 2: chocolate even. 883 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: Though it is no more. 884 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was delicious, the best chocolate I've had. 885 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, she might do another one one day. 886 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: But please the coconut flavory, my fabe. Thank you. But 887 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: how do you cope with the skeptics? 888 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 2: And like there was there's a there was like a 889 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,359 Speaker 2: Channel seven like Hoax or hero you know, a story and. 890 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: It's like, how do you cope with that? Because that's 891 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 1: a lot. 892 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,319 Speaker 3: I think it's a very difficult thing, you know, and 893 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 3: it's been something that has taken a lot of growth 894 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 3: to be okay with going being called you know, I 895 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 3: get called anything from a fraud to Jesus, and neither 896 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,439 Speaker 3: is true, you know, And it's a very wide that's 897 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 3: a very wide spectrum, and so that's not easy, you know. 898 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 3: I have I haven't done anything that is fraudulent and 899 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 3: and but people will call you that, and even though 900 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 3: all I've done is try and actually do the things 901 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 3: that would would would you know, bring the science to 902 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 3: make something credible. And so yeah, it's it's been good 903 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 3: for you know, to walk around with the head held 904 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 3: high despite having you know, one person I think you're 905 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,360 Speaker 3: a terrible person and next person think you're a legend. 906 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 4: You know, it's a hard thing. 907 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 3: You go your ego goes on a journey and sometimes 908 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 3: it's hard. And you know, I've got to wake up 909 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 3: every day of my life to both extremely negative and 910 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 3: extremely positive. 911 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,240 Speaker 4: And then in the middle is people begging for my help. 912 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 3: So there's this there's a lot, you know, and I 913 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 3: think that that I'm not going to even pretend like 914 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 3: I've always handled it all perfectly, but it certainly makes 915 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 3: you a lot stronger. It takes a fair bit to 916 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,320 Speaker 3: rattle me at this point. And at the end of 917 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 3: the day, I think I feel when I reflect, I 918 00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 3: feel more comfortable in my own. 919 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 4: Skin, being who I am and not hiding. 920 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,799 Speaker 3: With people's reactions being whatever they choose for them to be. 921 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 3: Versus when I was hiding this part of me and 922 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,439 Speaker 3: I felt like the fraud, you know what I mean, 923 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 3: Like I was, it was something that I didn't want 924 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 3: to hide. I want this is part of me, and 925 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 3: I think it's important, and so I guess at the 926 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 3: end of the day that is truly what has mattered 927 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 3: for me is me being who I am and knowing 928 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 3: that and then you know, like and doing everything I 929 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 3: can to to you know, I do understand people being 930 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 3: skeptical about these things because there's a lot of reasons 931 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,439 Speaker 3: to be that. I feel like I've also done things 932 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 3: in a way that that should hopefully, you know, start 933 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 3: to change that because I you know, I am intentionally 934 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 3: putting myself forward to demonstrate. 935 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 2: I mean, you look confrontation in the eye and you 936 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,799 Speaker 2: sit there like I've watched interviews where journals are like, ah, 937 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 2: you a fraud. Camera's rolling and you sit there and 938 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 2: you're like, I am not a fraud. 939 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 3: But I would rather and see for me, I'd rather 940 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 3: just show people see that question for me is it's 941 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 3: a very unfair question because I just will show you. 942 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,760 Speaker 3: You know, that's always been my thing. You can't talk 943 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,400 Speaker 3: and explain these things. You have to demonstrate that people 944 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,359 Speaker 3: have to see it firsthand or experience it firsthand. 945 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:32,879 Speaker 4: And I know this. 946 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 3: I can't defend it verbally. I can just show it. 947 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 3: You know, it's and that's all I've ever intended to do, 948 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 3: and I continue to do. And I'm hoping I don't 949 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 3: have to do it for too much longer because i'd 950 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,880 Speaker 3: like to, you know, you don't want to always be 951 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,319 Speaker 3: feeling like I don't feel like someone said to me the 952 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 3: other day, do you feel like you need to prove it? 953 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 4: And I said, no, not anymore. I did when I 954 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 4: was younger. 955 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 3: That felt important to me because just to survive in 956 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,320 Speaker 3: my own world that mattered. 957 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,399 Speaker 4: But I feel like the. 958 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,439 Speaker 3: People who know me, who have known that I woke 959 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,320 Speaker 3: up with this it wasn't my fault, have seen enough 960 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,720 Speaker 3: that they're like, there's no question in my own circle, 961 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,840 Speaker 3: my own peers, that I don't think they doubt you 962 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,880 Speaker 3: know anything. 963 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 4: That I do. 964 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 3: So I don't feel a need to prove myself at all, 965 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 3: but I feel a need for the world to have 966 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 3: this stuff proven. 967 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,960 Speaker 2: It takes courage, though, to sit in that feeling of 968 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,880 Speaker 2: being like, hey, I'm going to show you who I 969 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,359 Speaker 2: am and I'm okay with what's on the other side. 970 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:35,880 Speaker 4: Totally, it takes so much courage. 971 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 3: I remember when the l article first came out, which 972 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,880 Speaker 3: was the first that ever happened. I sat there for 973 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 3: like hours, not wanting to share it on my Facebook, like. 974 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 1: I was like, oh fuck, I would have felt nude. 975 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,879 Speaker 3: It felt it was a very, very, very big step 976 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 3: because most people didn't know I did it. That hear 977 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,359 Speaker 3: rumors maybe, but no one really knew that I did it. 978 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,400 Speaker 3: So that was a big step. And so and every 979 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,880 Speaker 3: single thing I've done after that has been you know 980 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 3: you are, You're very very vulnerable, and but then once 981 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 3: you get used to that, it's incredible. Like I'd advise anyone, 982 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 3: whether it be you know anything that you're suppressing or 983 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,640 Speaker 3: hiding from, from talents you might have to ideas you 984 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 3: want to follow through, to your sexuality, to whatever it 985 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 3: is that that you're hiding. The the ultimately, the the 986 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,520 Speaker 3: freedom you get from you being who you are overpowers 987 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 3: the reactions anyone has. And because ultimately they suffer their reactions. 988 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 3: You suffer your suppression. So if people want to call 989 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,560 Speaker 3: me a fraud, I can live with that. That's okay 990 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,239 Speaker 3: because the people who know me know who I am. 991 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,399 Speaker 3: The people who bother to look at the work I've 992 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 3: done know who I am, and then and other people whatever, 993 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,879 Speaker 3: But at least it's their own. They suffer their own. 994 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,399 Speaker 3: So that's a big thing. And I think it is hard. 995 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 3: I can relate to a lot of different areas where 996 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:14,440 Speaker 3: people are suppressing themselves, and you know, it's very painful. 997 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 4: It really is. 998 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I was going to say, like, 999 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,040 Speaker 2: what would you advise me to people listening that are like, oh, 1000 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 2: I just I don't feel like I am living who 1001 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,600 Speaker 2: I am, who I really am, And. 1002 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,240 Speaker 3: You've yeah, I think that if there's something that they're 1003 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:33,040 Speaker 3: specifically hiding, or they're in relationships or friendships or in 1004 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 3: dynamics where where they are certain things and that keeps 1005 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 3: getting you know, attacked, I would I would be choosing 1006 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,719 Speaker 3: a new circle probably obviously every case is different, but 1007 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,400 Speaker 3: where possible, I'd be you know, making sure I'm around 1008 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,840 Speaker 3: people where I can be me. If it's on a 1009 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,800 Speaker 3: bigger scale, like I'm doing I think it was definitely 1010 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,399 Speaker 3: the best thing I ever did was to let go 1011 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,920 Speaker 3: of see. Like I mentioned, needing, I felt like it 1012 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 3: was too soon when I was asked to do the article. 1013 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,400 Speaker 4: I was wrong. That was wrong of me. 1014 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,400 Speaker 3: I was waiting for a protection that would protect me 1015 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,759 Speaker 3: from people attacking me. At the end of the day, 1016 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,520 Speaker 3: that people attacking me has done very little, and I've 1017 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,600 Speaker 3: actually had comparatively very little attack given what I've done. 1018 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,320 Speaker 3: When I say I get messages all the time, stuff, 1019 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,480 Speaker 3: that's true, but it's one to ten thousand positive, you know, 1020 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,319 Speaker 3: so it's not. It isn't as bad as I as 1021 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,720 Speaker 3: I ever imagined. 1022 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 4: It would be. 1023 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:37,359 Speaker 3: I imagined it would be like an avalanche, and it wasn't. 1024 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,319 Speaker 3: But every difficult one it is hard, and you've got 1025 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 3: to learn to process that. 1026 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,680 Speaker 4: And sometimes they get you. 1027 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,960 Speaker 3: Sometimes you take it got the other night, I get you. 1028 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,520 Speaker 3: You know, you wake up in the morning, it's like 1029 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 3: quarter to six, and the first thing you read is 1030 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,719 Speaker 3: something horrible and it can get you. 1031 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 4: Or you're just down and out. You've just had a. 1032 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,280 Speaker 3: Very binge and you're not feeling you're not feeling your best, 1033 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 3: and and next thing it gets you. But you know what, 1034 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,160 Speaker 3: it gets you and then then you learn to grow 1035 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,560 Speaker 3: and the same thing next time won't get you. And 1036 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,839 Speaker 3: that so there's I think for me, I've been very 1037 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:19,440 Speaker 3: lucky that to find confidence in a world where people 1038 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 3: think horrible things about you is very powerful. And the 1039 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,759 Speaker 3: nature of putting yourself out there. So whether that be 1040 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,960 Speaker 3: again your sexuality, or your gifts or your business ideas, 1041 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,680 Speaker 3: whatever it is, there are people that are going to 1042 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,839 Speaker 3: hate you simply because you make them feel bad about themselves, 1043 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 3: and that's you cannot avoid it. But if you can 1044 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 3: become confident in that world, which is the world of 1045 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,279 Speaker 3: you being you despite what other people think of you, 1046 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,760 Speaker 3: then that is very very powerful and it's a very comforting, 1047 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,200 Speaker 3: peaceful place to come to. And it can only come 1048 00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,359 Speaker 3: from you being like, you know what, this is who 1049 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:05,799 Speaker 3: I am. I'm I'm a transsexual, I'm a healer, I'm 1050 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,440 Speaker 3: a whatever it is, and I'm going to be this 1051 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,040 Speaker 3: and you know what, there are going to be people 1052 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,160 Speaker 3: who struggle with it. Yeah, you can't avoid it, you know, 1053 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,680 Speaker 3: you cannot. You just there is no I tried to 1054 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,319 Speaker 3: avoid it. You cannot, you know. 1055 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,440 Speaker 2: But oh the amount of especially I've just been in America, 1056 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 2: because you know, and I've been training and acting and 1057 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,040 Speaker 2: people are like, oh, you're too old to be changing 1058 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,360 Speaker 2: careers in your mid thirties. 1059 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,640 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you're kidding, this is the best time. 1060 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:29,920 Speaker 4: Do You used to say that. 1061 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 1: Very afraid of my I said to me. 1062 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:34,280 Speaker 4: I was like, what are you talking about? 1063 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,360 Speaker 1: I used to get very afraid of my age, and 1064 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,560 Speaker 1: now I love Mae. 1065 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 3: You sat on my couch being like, if I don't 1066 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,400 Speaker 3: right now get my career going, it's too late. And 1067 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,960 Speaker 3: I was like, Lola, you're not in the right place. 1068 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:46,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, I said it a lot. 1069 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,880 Speaker 3: You said it a lot, and it's never Look whenever 1070 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,120 Speaker 3: we get ourselves to our peak where we're magnetic to 1071 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,680 Speaker 3: the world and age doesn't it doesn't matter too much. 1072 00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,240 Speaker 2: I mean, you're awesome, and thank you so much, Charlie. 1073 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,799 Speaker 2: You've shared so much of your morning with me. I 1074 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,279 Speaker 2: really appreciate it. And it's a real honor to be 1075 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:08,720 Speaker 2: your friend, so same. 1076 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,799 Speaker 4: To be your friend. All right, thank you, thank you. 1077 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,640 Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. 1078 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 1: As always, thank you to our. 1079 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,560 Speaker 2: Guests, and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. 1080 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,319 Speaker 1: I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. 1081 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,120 Speaker 2: This potty my word for podcast is available on all 1082 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,160 Speaker 2: streaming platforms. I'd love it if you could subscribe, rape 1083 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 2: and comment, and of course spread the love.