1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken, your dose of the hottest 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: influence and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: Torbert and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists Amy 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: and Sophie. Now on today's show, Tarlia Scaine soft launches 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: her new boyfriend, Georgia Love Quit seven and should influencers 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: be expected to post about social injustice? But first on 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: Tuesday Night, Sarah's Day made us all feel a little 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: bit better when she shared an instera story revealing she'd 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: had Sultan vinegar chips and twisties delivered to her house, Gosha. 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: When I saw this insta story, I just suddenly had 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: a craving for Sultan vinegar chips, Like my mouth was 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: watering watching this insta story, I went and looked at 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: my cupboard for chips and shit, you know, I only 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: had some chips made out of chickpeas and I actually 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: grabbed them because I was so hungry. But it seems 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: that this is Sarah's Day's pregnancy craving because she is 17 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: set to give birth to her second son this week. 18 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: You know what, I found this very refreshing from Sarah's 19 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: Day because I find that her feet is very curated 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: around her healthy cooking app Sonny, but this is obviously 21 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: something that she was really craving and had to get, 22 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: So I praise her for actually sharing what she truly 23 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: eats when she's pregnant. Look, I'm all for ordering food, 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: but I've never been bougie enough to order a single 25 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: bag of chips. Well, she ordered two bags of chips, Amy, 26 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: there were also some twisties in there. See, I feel 27 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: like with two bags of chips, I would just do 28 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: a petrol station dash, Like I'd go and get some 29 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: food from the petrol station, listen to some music in 30 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: the car as I did. I mean, I'm not pregnant, 31 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: so it's hard to put myself in that situation. I've 32 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: heard of friends ordering single tubs of ice cream, but 33 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: to be honest, I'm personally too much of a stinge 34 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: to pay for delivery on a single item. So I 35 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: wanted to ask our Facebook community the funniest things they 36 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: had ordered through a delivery service. So someone in our 37 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: Facebook community said that she had ordered a whole cup 38 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: of pickles from MacDonald's when she was pregnant, and another 39 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: woman also said that she had a pregnancy craving of 40 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: sliced olives from Subway, and they also put them in 41 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: a whole tub for her. Wow, I wonder why they 42 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: just didn't get no judgment here, but just a jar 43 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: of pickles. Like it's interesting that they had to be 44 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: specific McDonald's and Subway. These would be late night cravings 45 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: when the supermarkets aren't open. There was another There was 46 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: another person who said that they ordered a veggiemite scroll 47 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: from Uber eats. K I can imagine you doing that. 48 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 1: I didn't even know Baker's Delight did Uber eats? That's 49 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: fantastic to know. 50 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 2: Well. 51 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: I also love this response. One member of the community 52 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: said she used to live down the road from a cinema, which, 53 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: for some weird reason, was on a delivery app, and 54 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: when she was hungover, she ordered two frozen cokes and 55 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: a box for Pop Corner. Someone else ordered an extra 56 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: large char time when they were severely hungover and ended 57 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: up costing fifteen dollars including delivery. Now this admission takes 58 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: the cake. So a member of our community said that 59 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: she and her husband were hungover one weekend and she 60 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: just sat down on the toilet when she realized that 61 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: she had no toilet paper, so she said she was 62 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: worried about driving, so she ordered a four pack of 63 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: toilet paper and Uber eats and had to sit on 64 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: the toilet for thirty minutes waiting for it to arrive. 65 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: She said it cost twenty dollars, but it was well 66 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: worth it so she didn't have to jump into the shower. Look, 67 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 1: I want to make this woman in our community feel 68 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: a bit better. And I've been told not to tell 69 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: this story by the others, but i have three toilets 70 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: in my townhouse, and I'm really bad at separating the 71 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: toilet roll. So sometimes there'll be some upstairs, there'll be 72 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: none downstairs. I can vouch for that because literally, every 73 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: time I use the bathroom in your house, there's no 74 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: toilet paper anyway. Basically, there's been situations where I've been 75 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: in the downstairs toilet realize too late that there's no 76 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: toilet paper, and I've had to do the walk of 77 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: shame up the stairs to go and get toilet. Pa, 78 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: We've like pants half pulled down, yeah, and. 79 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: Then ask after me. 80 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, god, I'm men, Oh my god. You've got 81 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: like big glass doors at the back of your property, 82 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: like and also center next door amatic if someone looked in. 83 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: But that was a very brave admission, Sophie. Look, I 84 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: think we've all done that little shuffle to shame. But 85 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: it's usually like to another room. It's not like up 86 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: the stairs and into a non And you know how 87 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: steep my stairs are. Imagine God forbid if I fell 88 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: down found me, sir. The stairs are also very like 89 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: white painted or if I say a splodge brown on 90 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: the see we'll be told off now because we haven't 91 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: given a pooh disclaimer. I did not know that this 92 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: topic was heading into this territory, sir. 93 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: I need to go to the toilet again. 94 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: Yes, you can't. Sorry, it could be the fourth time 95 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: in an hour. 96 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: You'll have to wait. I'm pretty sure you can't do that, sir. 97 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 3: I have reason to believe you're cheating. I can, and 98 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: I do so I have and go with your paper. 99 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Oh God, no, phil phil oh no. 100 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: Phil oh Jesus. 101 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: I thought it was a fat sir. 102 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 3: I thought it was safe. 103 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two hasn't gotten off to the best start. 104 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: First there was the omicron wave that threatened healthcare systems 105 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: across the world and killed foul of people. Then last Thursday, 106 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: Russia invaded the Ukraine and sparked fears of World War 107 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: III on home soil. New South Wales and Queensland have 108 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: been devastated with flooding and it goes without saying our 109 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: hearts go out to all of those people affected by 110 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: the floods and also those in the Ukraine. We have 111 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: really found ourselves in a position where we've been second 112 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,119 Speaker 1: guessing what to actually talk about on the show, because 113 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 1: with so much darkness in the world at the moment, 114 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: we personally know how comforting distractions can be, so we've 115 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: decided to avoid discussing the world's heavy issues at this point. However, 116 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about what is happening with influencers 117 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: at the moment amongst these world events. So on Monday, 118 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: Olivia Rogers shared an update on her Inster story, responding 119 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: to followers who accused her of not caring about the 120 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: war in Ukraine. The former Miss Universe Australia contestant was 121 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: criticized for posting photos from her Kangaroo Island trip rather 122 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: than supporting the Ukrainians. Sophie, can you tell us what 123 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: Olivia posted on her story? Well, Olivia explained that while 124 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: she feels heartbroken for what is going on in Ukraine, 125 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: she doesn't feel the need to post about it. She said, 126 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: just because I don't post about it doesn't mean I 127 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: don't care. I am far from being an expert on 128 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: the subject, and people should not be relying on social 129 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: media to stay updated on what is going on. I 130 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: would hate to share something that is one sided or 131 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: misinformed just to look like I care from external pressure. 132 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: I think it's unreasonable to expect the people you follow 133 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: to be spokespeople for all issues. It's just not possible 134 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: and can cause more harm than good. So in contrast, 135 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: Molly May was really confused about what she should be posting. 136 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: The former Love Island contestant shared an instant story explaining 137 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: that she's been feeling guilty carrying on with life as 138 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: normal with everything that's happening in the world right now. 139 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: She told her followers that she was on a workshoet 140 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: but didn't know whether to share, as usual for the 141 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,119 Speaker 1: people who come to Instagram to escape. She then shared 142 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: a poll asking her followers whether they wanted her to 143 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: keep them updated or not at the moment. The majority, 144 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: which was sixty one percent, said they wanted to be 145 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: kept updated. So do you guys think that influencers should 146 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: be posting about social injustice or should they stick to 147 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: their lane? Well, I really think the pandemic has had 148 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: a big effect on what we expect from influencers. So 149 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: when George Floyd died back in twenty twenty, people called 150 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: on influencers to speak up and they did. However, by 151 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: forcing people to talk on the matter who weren't educated 152 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: on it, it caused a lot of performative activism. And 153 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: for those who have heard the phrase thrown around but 154 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: aren't exactly sure what it means, performative activism is supporting 155 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: a cause or an issue to garner attention, support, or 156 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: monetization from others, rather than actually caring about making a 157 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: difference in the cause. So little to no effort is 158 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: made to learn or to take action, but instead shows 159 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: you're woken up on the latest issue. And social media 160 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: has been the biggest driver of performative activism. I mean 161 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: you only have to think about Blackout Tuesday in June 162 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, So this was when Instagram users posted a 163 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: black square to show their support of the George Floyd 164 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: protest and also to raise awareness of the violence and 165 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: discrimination against the black community. However, it ended up causing 166 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: more confusion and was criticized for blocking important information on 167 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: these issues from the feed. And performative activism can be 168 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: so dangerous because it takes attention away from the critically 169 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: important issues and causes, and it gives the activist attention 170 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: rather than the communities who are affected, So rather than 171 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: spreading the message, the focus shifts to who are the 172 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: most woke influencers, and it can also discourage people from 173 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: doing more. So Unfortunately, performative activism doesn't take much effort 174 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: and it doesn't really require a person to commit fully 175 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: and put the effort. 176 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: And work in. 177 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: So basically it just becomes popular or trendy to show 178 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: support without actually doing anything in real life. But don't 179 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: you think some influencers would be fearful that they're going 180 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: to cop backlash for not sharing anything, And that's how 181 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: some influencers do fall into this performative activism category. Well, 182 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: it kind of reminds me of Australia Day or Invasion 183 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: Day that recently happened, and I felt like social media 184 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: went silent because people didn't want to a lot of 185 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: people didn't want to offend anyone, you don't. 186 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: Say the wrong thing. 187 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, or they didn't want to look like they were 188 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: just posting up any sort of quote without actually doing 189 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: anything about it. Yeah, And the tide has really turned 190 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: because I read a really interesting article in The Guardian 191 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: by London journalist Rachel Connolly, and in the article, she 192 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: was talking about how she believes influencers engaging low risk, 193 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: high gain activism as a branding exercise. So she spoke 194 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: about how social media has democratized fame and elevated ordinariness. 195 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: And it's this sense of ordinariness that has driven the 196 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: demand for influencers to conform to this very narrow definition 197 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: of a good person. And our obsession with influencers morals 198 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: comes down to us trying to justify why this pretty 199 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: unexceptional person deserves fame. And I think it's important to 200 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:50,119 Speaker 1: note that influencers also personally benefit from engaging in activism 201 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: because they attract followers by simply putting in little effort 202 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: at a very low personal cost. So while this isn't 203 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: inherently bad when you consider the attention this perform of 204 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: activism brings to important topics. The issue is that when 205 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: these people try to use it to sell something, because 206 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: I feel like it's really steeped in great hypocrisy. Many 207 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: influencers perform self conscious progressivism in participation with problematic companies, 208 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: and a big example of this is when influencers work 209 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: with fast fashion companies yet preach about saving the environment. 210 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: That is such a good point, and I really have 211 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: changed my opinion in the past couple of months. I 212 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: think Olivia articulated it really well because influencers hold so 213 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: much power, but that power can be used in the 214 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: wrong way because we don't want people who aren't educated 215 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: on a matter spilling out information that influences a whole 216 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: bunch of people. The thing is, while I do agree 217 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: with Olivia's points, I also do see the other side 218 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: of it, because people are really upset and really angry 219 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: with what is going on in Ukraine at the moment. 220 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: And when you're angry and you're on social media and 221 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: people are posting like nothing is going on in the 222 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: world and here I am on holiday and here I 223 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: am my fabulous life, it makes people angry because they 224 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: feel like this person doesn't care, when it can be 225 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: quite the contrary, as Olivia said, she does care, so 226 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: I can see the other side of her. I totally 227 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: know that. 228 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 3: Point to do too. 229 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just hard to know what to do because yes, 230 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: it can seem insensitive, but then there are people, as 231 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: Molly May displayed in her poll, that actually want that distraction. 232 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: They want to be thinking about something else because it's 233 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: very draining. And I say that with exceptional privilege being 234 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: in Australia and not the Ukraine, but it can be 235 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: very draining having so many negative things happening in the 236 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: world at one time that it's just so especially after 237 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: the last two years that we have. I do wonder 238 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: if this shift in terms of people wanting different things 239 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: from influencers has anything to do with how influencers promoted vaccination, 240 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of influencers were canceled, 241 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: as you say, for spreading misinformation. And maybe it's at 242 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: a point where we just want people that know what 243 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: they're too talking about to be talking about it. We 244 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: don't want, you know, these dangerous people sticking there or 245 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: in and saying something that is completely irrelevant and dangerous. 246 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: If I personally was managing some of these influences, my 247 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: instructions would be have a bit of a disclaimer that 248 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: you're upset about what is going on in the world 249 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: in the most genuine and authentic way that you can. 250 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: But don't you think that's just virtue signaling? Like I 251 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: don't think it is virtue signaling, because I don't think 252 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: any sort of human can be unaffected by the absolute 253 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: horror and devastation that is happening across the world. To 254 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: be honest, I feel like it's better pr for an 255 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: influencer to be accused of virtue signaling than doing nothing thing. 256 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: I think a very genuine, you know, the piece to 257 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 2: camera saying that you're a truly affected by it and 258 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: you want your platform to be a distraction for people. 259 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: I think that's a clever way to go about it. 260 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of influencers must be on 261 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: the same page, because I have noticed this trend where 262 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: influencers and now aresking their communities a bit like Molly 263 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: may did, what they want to see from them? Do 264 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: they want them to see them talking about serious issues? 265 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: And I actually think it's very very clever because then 266 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: if you have a poll and so many people say no, 267 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: we're not interested, you're almost validated in not actually acknowledging anything. 268 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: That's going on. See. 269 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: I was quite surprised that forty percent of Molly May's 270 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: audience said that they didn't want her to post as 271 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: normal because. 272 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 3: I don't know. 273 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: I mean, she does have something like eight million followers, 274 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: so there probably is quite a diverse range of people 275 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: who were following her. But I feel like people would 276 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: want her to continue on as a great form of distraction. 277 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: But think about all the people that would hate follow her. 278 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: They're probably all the people that are saying no, stop posting. 279 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: And the thing is we have to remember they have 280 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: such large platforms. If one of them was to share 281 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: information on how someone can help donate goods to people 282 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: who have fled Ukraine, it could be really really helpful. 283 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: Oh there are so like that's a thing. Social media 284 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: has been such a powerful tool. I mean, look at 285 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter movement that made it go international. However, 286 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 1: it's just this performative activism when influencers are using it 287 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: as a branding exercise for themselves, and also the fact that, 288 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: as we said earlier, it can really detract from people 289 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: actually genuinely helping because then people think, oh, I've posted 290 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: my title, that's all I need to do. 291 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm kind of like living my best life, 292 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: but also my life's in turmoil, do you know what 293 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: I mean? 294 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: But I'm here for it. 295 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 3: That's the life of a GenZ girl, I guess. 296 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: After a turbulent breakup, Talia Scains a soft launched her 297 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: new boyfriend, Jake Sijano. The new couple took their relationship 298 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: to the next level, embarking on a two week trip 299 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: to America. Now, so before we get into it, I 300 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: feel like we need a bit of a relationship timeline. Yeah, 301 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: I feel like the timeline is important to put this 302 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: relationship into perspective. So on August of twenty twenty one, 303 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: Talia and her long term boyfriend Mitch Third surprise followers 304 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: by ending their nine year relationship. And there was a 305 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: lot of speculation in the lead up to that announcement, 306 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: beca because the pair hadn't appeared on social media together 307 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: for quite some time, and this led to Tarlia and 308 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: Mitch both putting out separate posts confirming the split. Now, 309 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: Talia's was your run of the meal announcement, but Mitch 310 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: really put his heart on the line. He shared a 311 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: photo of the couple together at their school formal and 312 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: wrote nine years of loving you. I will always love 313 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: you and be there for you. And to me, this 314 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: indicated that he was very much still invested in the 315 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: relationship and holding out hope that perhaps he and Tarlia 316 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: would get back together, and it also made me a 317 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: sense that perhaps Tarlia had initiated the breakup. Now. Drama 318 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: also surrounded the announcement because a follower asked Talia underneath 319 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: one of her photos why she wasn't living with Mitch 320 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: at the apartment anymore, and the follower tagged Mitch Now. 321 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: Mitch was quite drunk at the time, he said, and 322 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: replied asked Carly Shields and tagged his account Now. Mitch 323 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: did reach out to the podcast and confirmed that Tarlia 324 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: did not cheat on him with Harley, but he just 325 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: heard that they had been full a couple of weeks 326 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: after the breakup. Now, the rumor meal hasn't stopped there, 327 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: because in October, followers spotted Talia's potential new love interest. 328 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: Now she was spotted with entrepreneur Jake Sajano in a 329 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: number of Instagram stories. He also attended her birthday party 330 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: and shared a photo of the two of them with 331 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: the caption Happy Birthday bestie. Now. Taking a look at 332 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: his Instagram account, it appears that they have known each 333 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: other for some time and perhaps are in the same 334 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: sort of friendship circle, because he did share a photo 335 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: of the two of them back in July, when Talia 336 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: and Mitch were still together, and the photo was taken 337 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: at a mutual friend's birthday party. Now, I went and 338 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: had a little look, and underneath this photo, Talia wrote 339 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: grateful for my bestie, and he responded saying, feeling is mutual, 340 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: my girl. I wonder how Mitch feels about these posts. Now, 341 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: is this like another Kayla Estinas incident where she's fallen 342 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: in love with the best friend? I really don't know. Possibly, well, 343 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: it appears that she was holidaying with Jake in Hamilton 344 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: Island and that was when she had sort of announced 345 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: the break up and said she needed some time away, 346 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: and there were other friends there. But I always thought 347 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: it was a bit questionable. All these things didn't really 348 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: make sense to me now suddenly do Well, Mitch isn't 349 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: following Jake. I don't know if he followed him before 350 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: and was also a mutual friend, it'd be very interesting 351 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: to know. But it certainly seems like Jake and Taralia 352 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: have quite a bit in common because Jake runs the 353 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: local Villas and this appears to be a business which 354 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: builds villas with a focus on creating esthetically pleasing interiors. 355 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: And currently his Instagram page has listed a four bedroom 356 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: villa in Barley, And as many of you guys may remember, 357 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: Mitch and Talia actually own a villa in Barley called 358 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: Villa Tami, which is a plan both of their names. Yeah, 359 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: I saw Mitch was actually posting about Villa Tami this week. 360 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: He was saying that I think Barley have said that 361 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: they're allowing visitors that have had three doses of the vaccine, 362 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: so he was really excited about going back to Villa time. 363 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: I do wonder what is going to happen with this 364 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: villa because at the moment they're sharing it. But if 365 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: Tarlia's new boyfriend owns villas in Bali and sells them, 366 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: it makes sense that this villa might be put on 367 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: the market or someone might have to buy the other 368 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: one out. Now, I did get really excited when I 369 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: saw Talia Scanes had uploaded a travel video, because she 370 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: is very well known for her travel content. Well, so 371 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: bread and butter really exactly, isn't it. And it's been 372 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: two years since we have been able to see a 373 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: Talia Skane's travel vlog due to COVID, and to be honest, 374 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: I was more excited to see who she'd brought along 375 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: for the holiday. So the video went for thirty seven 376 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: minutes and it wasn't until the end that she addressed 377 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: that she was traveling with her new man. So it's 378 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: pretty funny because the whole time we didn't see his face. 379 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: We only saw him appear a couple of times, and 380 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: it was when he fed her dessert and you just 381 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: saw his tattooed hand come into shot. We also saw 382 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: the edge of his shoulder and his shadow, plus him 383 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: talking to Talia a couple of times in the background 384 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: during the video. She also kept saying we and it 385 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: was really awkward because, as you say, it did take 386 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: till the thirty two minute mark of the video to 387 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: find out who, in fact she was traveling with. But 388 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: from what I could tell of his voice in the background, 389 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: he did seem to be very sweet towards her and 390 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: very attentive. He kept calling her baby the whole time, 391 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: and my favorite bit was when she was taste testing 392 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 1: these amazing looking cupcakes and she was taking these huge bites, 393 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: which I totally forgot because she's really known for her 394 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: sort of food content as well. Yeah, she could probably 395 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: earn a lot of money doing muk bungs was yes, 396 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: But my favorite bit was when he told her in 397 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: the background that she had this huge bit of green 398 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: in her teeth. She's like eating seductively eating these cupcakes. 399 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: It was quite clearly a very romantic trip because the 400 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: pair were over in America during Valentine's Day and Talia 401 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: showed that she had got the biggest bunch of roses 402 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: from Jake. And when Talia finally did address the elephant 403 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: in the room, she said she was enjoying keeping her 404 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: relationship off the grid. 405 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 3: Here's what she said, so finding on my Instagram, I've 406 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 3: had so many messages from you guys asking who I'm 407 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: on my trip? Do I have any man? What's coming on? 408 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah. It's actually nice. You guys are 409 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 3: should be interested in my life and you guys are 410 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 3: happy for me. All the messages have been so sweet 411 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 3: and whatever. But I don't marry. I'm just enjoying being 412 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 3: a little bit off the grid. I guess you could 413 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 3: say it's very nice being super happy. It's the best 414 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 3: of a beat on it in a long time. Yeah, 415 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 3: in all seriousness, I am just really happy to the moment. Guys. 416 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: It's real nice that you guys show interest in my 417 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 3: life and you really do care because I care about 418 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 3: you guys. 419 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: I found it interesting because Tylia kept saying that she's 420 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: keeping him off her grid, but he has been posting 421 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: pictures with Tarlia. She's been sharing little titbits of him 422 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,719 Speaker 1: to create interests, so it very much seems like a 423 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: soft launch to me. 424 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 425 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: Well, I actually think it is quite a smart move 426 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: of Tarlia because she's kind of given us enough so 427 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: that we're intrigued and want to watch the videos, and 428 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: it builds up excitement to find out more about this guy. 429 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: But I also feel like one of the motives of 430 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: the soft launch is probably that she doesn't want people 431 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: commenting that she's moved on too quickly from this nine 432 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: year relationship she had with Mitch or speculating when this 433 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: relationship started, considering it does seem like they were friends before. 434 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: And I also think the fact that Mitch was such 435 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: a large part of her channel. Would also be another 436 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: reason why she wants to ease her followers into getting 437 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: to know this new guy, because she probably wants some 438 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: space between them so that people aren't comparing the two. 439 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: I do agree with you, Sophie. I do think it's 440 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: about sort of pushing attention away from the fact that 441 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: this relationship started up very closely to her breakup, and 442 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: I suppose it makes it murkier considering that they were 443 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: friends beforehand. So I definitely think this is why she 444 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: is leaving him off the grid. I do wonder though, 445 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: Tarlia posts a lot of bikini photos and photo showing 446 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: off her body. I do think is it sort of 447 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: to appease her audience as well, Like does she bode 448 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: pretending that she's single on Instagram? So that's against the 449 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: rules and you can't sit. 450 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 3: With us whatever, because rules aren't real. 451 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: They were real that Dare were. 452 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 3: A best because that best was disgusting, you can't sit 453 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 3: with us. 454 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: Former bachelorette Georgia Love has announced she's resigned from seven 455 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: News to follow a new career path. Amy, can you 456 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: tell us more? 457 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 3: Yes? 458 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: So, So Georgia is set to leave the Seven News 459 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: Melbourne team at the end of next month to work 460 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: at content marketing agency in Thrall. So Georgia scored the 461 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: role as a senior public relations and content manager, and 462 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 1: the agency creates content for some big brands including Mercedes, Benz, 463 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: nab Toyota, Virgin Australia and MacDonald's. So Georgia told The 464 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: Herald's Son Well, any new job can be daunting. I 465 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: feel extremely positive about this move and can't wait to 466 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: work and make my mark on the world of brand storytelling. 467 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: The news comes after Georgia received backlash over a racist 468 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: post she shared on social media in September last year. 469 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: This was when Georgia posted an instant story of a 470 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: cat sitting in a restaurant alongside the caption shop attendant 471 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: or lunch. Georgia swiftly removed the post and then issued 472 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: a public apology. It was also reported that she issued 473 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: an apology to her Seven News Melbourne colleagues, and following 474 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: the saga, Georgia was removed from her on air duties 475 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: and put on the production desk. There were also media 476 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: reports of infighting in the seven Melbourne newsroom, and this 477 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: was after leaked staff emails show senior journalist Nathan Templeton 478 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: calling out an email Georgia had sent staff about their grammar. Now, 479 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: do you guys think this is a case of Georgia 480 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: legitimately wanting to pursue a new career in pr or 481 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: do you think she was pushed? Well, the thing is 482 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: Georgia only joined the seven newsroom in February last year 483 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: after her role was made redundant at ten years, so 484 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: presumably she was on a year contract, so negotiations must 485 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: have been underway, and I personally think her contract wasn't 486 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: renewed after all the controversy, and I feel like Seven 487 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: have said to Georgia, look, you've got an option. You 488 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: can say that you have resigned. It's probably a better 489 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: look for you to say that than for you to 490 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: say that we haven't renewed your contracts. Well, I do 491 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: find it quite interesting that after this sort of saga 492 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: that has revolved around a woman, a woman is now 493 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: having to leave because quite often when we see these 494 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: type of situations happen with men, they're almost rewarded and 495 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: promoted in those roles. So I do given a wifeline 496 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: from other networks, Yeah, definitely, So I do find it 497 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: really sad if Georgia Love has been forced to leave 498 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: a career in journalism that she loves and while her 499 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: comments online were discussing, I feel like we should allow 500 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: people the space to move on from those comments. Well 501 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: not just people, but women, because I think that this 502 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: is what we have an issue with. Yes, Georgia Love 503 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: did the wrong thing, she was racist, and she was 504 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: called out for it. But why aren't women given the 505 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: chance to redeem themselves? And we've seen male reporters who've 506 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: been caught with drugs or they've been drink driving, and 507 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: they are always given a second chance. And nine hundred 508 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: percent agree Kate what she said was completely wrong, but 509 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: it's pretty discussed that we're still living in a day 510 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: and age where women are just cast off and aren't 511 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: given a second chance. I'm also wondering whether there's a 512 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: pretty bad culture in the Melbourne newsroom after the release 513 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: of those emails. Perhaps the team aren't as cohesive and 514 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 1: getting along. Maybe it's not a nice environment for Georgia 515 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: to be working in. You So maybe part of her 516 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: also does want to branch off and try a different 517 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: pathway because something like pr with her job as an 518 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: influencer as well. She's probably done a lot of work 519 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: with agencies and maybe she's intrigued to find out more. 520 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: And I mean it's a sort of job that a 521 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: lot of people who are in journalism they then do 522 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: go to PR later in life. 523 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 3: They do. 524 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: But I don't think George is a type of person 525 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: who would want to be working in a PR agency. 526 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: To me, she seems to be she seems to want 527 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: to be in front of the camera, and as we said, 528 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: she did have those duties taken off of her in September. 529 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: I do think, though, that she will thoroughly enjoy PR because, 530 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: let's be honest, so you say it all the time, 531 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: PR is so much better than working as a reporder, 532 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: and I think reporting has a shelf life like it's 533 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: long hours, you generally don't earn that much money. I 534 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: also wonder if moving into this sort of role gives 535 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: her more time to work on her pajama business or 536 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: on an influencer career, because maybe she's seen that it's 537 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: more lucrative to do influencer work than work as a reporter. Well, 538 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. Thank 539 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: you so much for listening. To another episode of Outspoken. 540 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: If you do listen to the podcast and you haven't 541 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: subscribed yet, please subscribe because it really does help us 542 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: out on the charts. 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