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Speaker 1: Jum mission with Jonesy and Amanda Well interesting times. At

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Speaker 1: the moment at New South Wales, edge is closer to

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Speaker 1: ninety five percent first dose of the vaccine. We're still

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Speaker 1: being worn to remain vigilant. Other countries continue to battle

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Speaker 1: high COVID numbers after being vaccinated. So far, we've avoided

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Speaker 1: the horror October that we thought we were going to have.

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Speaker 1: So what does it mean? Are we in line for

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Speaker 1: our boosters? We've gone to our favorites infectious disease specialists

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Speaker 1: Nadia Bartel, no, doctor sanjayas And and Yaki good morning.

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Speaker 2: Oh, good morning, good morning. Yes. Look I had to

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Speaker 2: stand in us the.

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Speaker 1: Bartell and those other influences. Couldn't I need to hear

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Speaker 1: an influencer opinion because apparently they've done the research. But

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Speaker 1: instead we'll go with you. Yes, So, how how is it?

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Speaker 1: And should we be optimistic that we've avoided the horror

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Speaker 1: October we were told to expect when we opened up.

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Speaker 1: Our numbers are still relatively low. Any loss of life

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Speaker 1: is a tragedy, but we seem to be doing okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I think we should certainly be happy and

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Speaker 2: cautiously optimistic. So I think those models that we hear about,

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Speaker 2: so the Burnett the Doherty Institute models. They're really good

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Speaker 2: and they're very helpful as a guide, but they're not

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent accurate, and they're often a bit more

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Speaker 2: pessimistic in their outlook. And with a combination of looking

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Speaker 2: at those models and looking at what's happening overseas, we

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Speaker 2: you look at countries which are highly vaccinated, say in Europe,

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Speaker 2: you've got Denmark and Norway which have got about, you know,

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Speaker 2: close to eighty percent of the population vaccinated, they're doing

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Speaker 2: quite well with removal of all restrictions. And even the UK,

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Speaker 2: which really has thrown caution to the wind and hasn't

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Speaker 2: surge in cases recently that started to drop off and

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Speaker 2: their hospital system hasn't been overwhelmed. And we're all going

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Speaker 2: into summer here in Australia, and I think that will

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Speaker 2: to be more active in winter.

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Speaker 1: So how do we protect ourselves for next winter? Is

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Speaker 1: this booster shots? So we keep hearing, remain vigilant, what

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Speaker 1: does that mean what should we vaccinated? What else should

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Speaker 1: we be doing?

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Speaker 2: Look, so being vaccinated is a wonderful protection against severe

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Speaker 2: disease and hospitalization, which could fill us with a lot

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Speaker 2: of confidence. But we do know that people who are

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Speaker 2: vaccinated can still get COVID and even though it seems

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Speaker 2: to be less likely, they can still transmit it. So

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Speaker 2: if you have symptoms, please get tested, and if you're

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Speaker 2: in a crowded indoor area, wear a mask. This common

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Speaker 2: sense stuff and QR codes. If there is an outbreak,

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Speaker 2: at least it makes it easier for public health to

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Speaker 2: do contact tracing. So that's what we mean by vigil

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Speaker 2: And so it's not going to be pre twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: but life will be pretty good, but just a bit different.

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Speaker 1: And the booster shots.

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Speaker 2: My last shot was in July, so I guess my

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Speaker 2: booster shot will be coming or due around December.

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Speaker 1: When he reach you, is it six months or something?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, that's a very good question. And I heard

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Speaker 2: one of the target doctors. She put it very nicely.

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Speaker 2: She talked about the sweet spot. We're trying to work

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Speaker 2: out what that sweet spot is after your second dose,

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Speaker 2: and we think it's somewhere around the five to six

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Speaker 2: month mark. So there are some people who have only

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Speaker 2: recently completed their two doses of vaccine who won't need

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Speaker 2: it for a while, But it looks like that six

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Speaker 2: month mark will be when we'll get them.

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Speaker 1: I've heard it said, we're not safe until we're all safe,

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Speaker 1: and the low vaccination rates of our neighbors like Papio

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Speaker 1: and New Guinea is a worry for us, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: We're not free until those new strains won't be coming

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Speaker 1: through with their vaccination.

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Speaker 2: No, look, Amanda, that's right. I and lots of other

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Speaker 2: of my colleagues have been saying this too. Really, it's

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Speaker 2: a global infection and we need everyone to be vaccinated.

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Speaker 2: So when you hear about Africa are only having sort

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Speaker 2: of five percent or so of people fully vaccinated in

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Speaker 2: the continent of one point two billion. Let that's scary because,

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Speaker 2: as you correctly say, if they have a lot of infections,

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Speaker 2: they can get a new variant, and with global travel

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Speaker 2: the way that it is, it will spread everywhere.

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Speaker 1: So we're not out of it yet, not out of

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Speaker 1: the woods yet, but we can see it at daylight,

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Speaker 1: which is good.

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, absolutely, And I keep telling myself Where would

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Speaker 2: we be right now if we didn't have the vaccines,

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Speaker 2: because remember these were developed remarkably quickly, and I think

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Speaker 2: are having now.

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Speaker 1: Give it up for science. Thank you, thank you, O.

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Speaker 2: Look, thanks so much. Jonesy and Amanda's g