WEBVTT - MADISON GOES OVER 'THE BRIDGE AUSTRALIA!' 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.520 TV Reload the podcast Last. 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:04.080 Deep Their Mind. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.720 Welcome back to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris and 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:10.360 on this podcast I will go behind the scenes with 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:13.640 the biggest players in television. Each episode you will get 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:18.520 a front row seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.279 editors and casting agents, plus the talent that we see 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.520 on our screen. TV Reload reloads the shows that you 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.560 are currently watching and gives you a better insight into 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:32.919 our television industry and our streaming services. Today, on the podcast, 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:36.720 I will unpack the latest TV series from Endemol Shine Australia, 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:41.080 which is currently on Paramount Plus it is The Bridge. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.919 Joining me is my favorite contestant from the series, Madison, 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:48.320 who managed to get plenty of attention from the viewers 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.040 with his likable villain edit. Madison is the type of 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.280 casting every producer dreams of when it comes to putting 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:59.000 together a TV show. You want someone real, who speaks 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.560 their mind and actually wants to play a game. Some 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.280 may have been polarized by his gameplay, while people like 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:10.600 me loved his brutal honesty. The Bridge saw a cast 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.000 of unknowns forced into a situation where not only building 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:18.160 a bridge was physically exhausting, but mentally, they faced a 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.560 conundrum that would see only one person in charge of 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.120 how the prize money would be spent. Madison talks about 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.520 his brutal edit at times, if he has maintained a 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.319 friendship with the winner, how he would have handled the 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.720 prize money, what reality show he actually applied for, and 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.760 some sassy commentary that will delight the medicine fans. However, 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.679 let's get started with today's guest. I'd like to welcome 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.240 Madison from the Bridge to TV reload. 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.880 I probably shouldn't have lasted as long as I did. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.680 You have seventeen days to build the bridge. 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.640 If you're given the opportunity to walk, yeah, keep it 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:57.240 for yourself. 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.960 It is a team effort to really pull this thing together. 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.000 It definitely would make more sense of a host, But 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:04.160 then again, what would a host do. 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:05.360 Should you fail? 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:06.760 No one will claim the cat. 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.840 I was getting so frustrated during my time on the 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.679 bridge around people who were just so apathetic towards being there. 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:18.640 Will this place change them forever? As they built the 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:23.160 bridge to not be in the position where it wasn't 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.480 My influence that determined who walked the bridge did suck? 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:27.919 Hi Madison? 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:30.120 How are you, Hi, Ben? 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:34.520 I'm so well today, a little bit hungover, but otherwise, well, 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:35.400 how are you. 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:37.760 I'm very excited to be able to talk to you. 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.920 I really enjoyed The Bridge. I wish it was like 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:46.320 thirty episodes and not six. Like I just don't understand 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:48.160 why it was so fast. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.200 I know, even watching it back, it's kind of crazy 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.400 because it's not like we were out there for a 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.880 super long period of time to film it. So at 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.560 the time, six episodes kind of made sense. But now 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.840 watching it back and just seeing how much never even 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.200 made it to air is kind of crazy because so 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.600 much transpire it over those seventeen days, and to sell 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.080 it down to six episodes is wild. I'm sure they 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.000 could have probably produced at least ten and still had 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.960 plenty of content, So I'm sad that it wasn't longer too, 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.519 But I have also enjoyed watching it. It's been cool 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.880 to go back and see everything again to relive it. 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.440 I guess you can't play everyone's narrative. 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:32.520 Yeah, absolutely, there are definitely parts of the experience out 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.880 there that I thought would be much more front and Center. 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.640 There are people who had kind of so much more 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:42.720 to their personality and character that just didn't necessarily play 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:46.200 out in what viewers saw. So I don't know, that's 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.400 kind of bittersweet to go back and not necessarily see 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.640 everything that you've lived in some of the stuff that 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:57.360 maybe wasn't so dramatic or as I guess, focused on 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:00.880 the actual build Like there were even that didn't make 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:02.840 the final cut, which is kind of wild. 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.440 I want to say how much I love your name, 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.560 and I think it's perfect for you. What is the 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.520 story to the name? Why did your parents name you Madison? 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:14.400 Looks? 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.680 It's a great question, and it's kind of been a 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.000 blessing and a curse to be called Madison, because you 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.000 go through life and everybody's like, but that's a girl's name. 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.800 I've learned to love it because it's quite unique. But 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.720 I think the story is that my parents, regardless of 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:29.599 whether I was going to be born a girl or 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.400 a boy, just loved the name Madison. It just so 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.119 happened that I was born a boy and they stuck 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:36.440 with the name because they liked it. 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.120 And here we are twenty. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.360 Nine years later, and it's still really hasn't taken off 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.120 as a boy's name, but I do love it. 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.080 I think that it is suited to me. 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.880 It is so suited to you. It's kind of regal, 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.640 it's kind of like expensive, but it also could be 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.920 a little bit poisonous. So I don't know that sounds terrible, 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:55.719 but I love it. 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.640 Look, I mean maybe poisonous is part of it. 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.160 I don't know, but it's certainly unique and I've really 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.240 learned to embrace it, and it makes it a lot 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.560 better because when people are referring to boy Madison, I'm 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:10.239 not competing against many. 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.360 I love it. So you survived the bridge and made 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.600 a huge impact on your audience, probably because of your 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.919 brutal honesty. Are you okay with that whole title of 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:22.760 brutal honesty? 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:24.360 I am okay with that whole title. 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.599 I think that that was my game plan going in, 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.200 and look what we call it, brutal honesty. There was 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.520 a lot of trying to be deceptive, maybe playing a 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.279 few sides while I was out there, but I was 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.760 calling it for what it was, which was an absolutely 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:43.279 chaotic experience, something that I knew was not going to 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.720 be something that I was good at. So I kind 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.320 of I thought it was better to be honest about 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:52.920 the fact that I probably shouldn't have lasted as long 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:54.839 as I did. But that kind of played into my 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.719 strategy as well, by saying, look, of all the people 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.080 that arrived here on day one, I am probably the 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.760 last person that you would expect to make it to 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.040 the end. So if we're going to vote somebody across 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:09.479 that represents growth as a group or resilience, then. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:10.800 Why shouldn't it be me? 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.680 But yeah, I'm totally happy for people to remember me 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.640 as the person that was brutally honest because it was 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.800 really hard out there, and I just felt the need 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.920 to constantly remind everybody that was asking me how I 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:25.760 felt how much I hated it. 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.640 As you just were calling it as it is. I 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.160 didn't see it as villainry, but I think some people 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.520 might have watched you in this season and thought that 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.760 you were the PG likable villain. I don't know, is 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.960 it even offensive to put that title on you? Do 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:41.839 you feel okay with being like a bit of a 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:43.960 TV villain because of that honesty? 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:45.880 I do feel okay with that, and I think that 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.640 when I went out there, I kind of knew that 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.440 I would come across as a bit of a villain 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.720 because my game plan was always to lighter people. It 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:56.599 was fake it till you make it. It was build relationships. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:58.760 It was literally, when it gets down to it, I'm 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.080 ready to burn bridges. So I kind of knew going 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.560 into it that I was happy to kind of fit 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.000 into that role. But I'm also really confident with who 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.200 I am as a person, and I know that I 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.880 am somebody that has a lot of kind qualities as well. 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.840 So coming off the back of the bridge, I had 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.000 this idea that I probably would be perceived by a 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.880 lot of viewers as a villain. But at the same time, 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.760 I stand by everything that I said and did I 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.480 know that I was true to who I am, and 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.400 coming out of it, I don't think I really offended 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.880 too many people, except for maybe regional people. After that 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.760 first episode when I made that one comment about regional people, 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:41.160 Facebook popped off. But yeah, I think I'm comfortable with 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.360 the villain title. I'd rather be remembered for being interesting 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.240 than fade into the background like some of the other 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:48.200 people who were out there. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.520 I think you and I are quite similar. I think 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.280 a lot of people thought very similarly of me and 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.000 big Brother as to the way you have been portrayed, 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:57.840 Is that a fair thing to say? 0:07:58.040 --> 0:07:59.040 Yeah, I know what you mean. 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.400 And I actually remember your own big Brother and thinking 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.200 at the time, like, I love that kind of representation 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:08.360 because I can't remember at the time that many openly 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.320 gay people that had been on reality TV or who 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.679 had at least done as well as you did to win. 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.640 But I also just remember how much of a shit 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.840 fight that was about, you know, is he being mean 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:21.760 to people? But I think that that's what it is. 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.240 It's being brutally honest. And what people, I think don't 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.840 realize when you go into reality TV is there is 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.400 a lot of downtime. It can be really frustrating. It 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.520 takes a lot of energy to be there. And I 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.160 was getting so frustrated during my time on the bridge 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.640 around people who were just so apathetic towards being there, 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.800 and it was like, Okay, well, at least at least 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.760 speak up, like, at least have something to say, even 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:50.120 if it's negative, have some sort of opinion. And I 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.440 think that sometimes people do take that out of context. 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.679 And again, it's a TV show. There's so much content 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.360 they have to fit into an episode that, yeah, of 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:58.720 course some of that stuff is going to make you 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.800 seem like a bit of a villain, But at least 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.959 I know that it's representative of how I felt, and 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:08.400 I you know, I was there, I was playing a game. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.920 Sometimes I was frustrated with people with the experience, and 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.360 I'm just glad that, you know, I did myself in 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.439 my experience justice. You know, there are people who are 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.400 there who are just so afraid about how they're going 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.240 to be portrayed that they choose not to say anything. 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.679 But you know, in real life, you're just as much 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.880 of a bitch as I am. You are just being 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.760 way too censored, and it's boring. It's boring to be 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.680 there with those kinds of people. So look, I have 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.640 a newfound appreciation for people that get this villain edit 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.960 in reality TV, because I think that it does actually 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.040 require a bit of bravery to be brutally honest and 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.640 not to just you know, kind of fall into that 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.160 position of being a really apathetic character that just tries 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.040 to people please and is afraid of how they're going 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:54.720 to be portrayed. 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.240 We are so critical as a queer community on ourselves, 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.679 which means that we are super harsh on ourselves with 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:04.240 super harsh on other people, which makes it very easy 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.120 to edit us as the villain of TV shows. That's 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.520 my theory. It might be wrong, but that's my theory. 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.400 Yeah. No, I totally agree with you. 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:13.400 I think it was good. Do they even introduce you 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.520 as being gay? Like I don't remember. I think that's 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:16.199 what we know. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.560 And that's kind of the crazy thing, which I think 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.440 is a good thing that you don't necessarily have to 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:26.439 lead with that label anymore. And I think that the 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:30.600 only person, I mean, they Jesse was queer and as 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:35.000 obviously in a lesbian relationship because in her little backstory 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.839 introduction it introduced her and her wife and the child 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:42.000 that they have together. And then I think Alira it 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:43.640 was quite obvious that she was queer because she was 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.760 talking about pronouns when they introduced her. But actually, for 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.240 Steve and I I don't think they ever actually labeled 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:50.880 us as gay. 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.040 I think it was maybe just a little bit obvious. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:55.360 It was a little bit obvious, But then I thought 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.480 Elliott was gay. Then I thought everyone was gay, and 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.600 I was like, oh my god, this is like queer camp. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:01.920 And then it turned out not everyone was gay. 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.679 What I would say about this show is the representation 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.840 in the cast. The diversity in the cast was really impressive. 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.440 I did not expect that when I walked in there. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.120 I think that being a straight white person actually made 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.520 you a minority on the bridge. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.520 Absolutely, But you know, I want every single person that 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:23.480 was cast on this series to be put into another series. 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.640 Would you want to see everybody on another show? 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.480 I mean I could see maybe like three quarters, but everybody. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.559 I just think, I know this is a big cliche 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.360 because I did a Big Brother and blah blah blah 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.719 talk about Big Brother. Whatever, I could have seen that 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:40.839 cast put into the Big Brother house. I think it 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.440 would have been the best cast we've seen in Big 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.000 Brother in the last ten years. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.440 Yeah, you know what was interesting about it? And I 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.800 don't really know if I'm allowed to say this, but whatever, 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.000 A lot of people because being the first series, like 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.160 if they put out an AD that's like come build 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.760 a bridge, like, they're not gonna They're probably not going 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.800 to get that many applicants, or at least a diverse 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.160 range of applicants, Like I sure as hell wouldn't have 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.160 applied to an ad been like come build a bridge 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.840 in the middle of Tasmania, So a lot of the 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.480 people who ended up on the show had come over 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:18.280 from other casting pools, which was really interesting because when 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.800 you consider some of the shows that people were in 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.680 casting pools for, you don't necessarily look at those shows 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:27.960 and go, oh, that's they have really really great diversity 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.760 in the people that they cast, So it was kind 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.240 of cool. I don't know if it was really intended 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.040 to have that much diversity or if that's just how 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.439 it played out with each of the characters that they 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:38.200 wanted in there. 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:40.800 Did you applied for a particular am I allowed to 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.600 ask that? Did you apply for the bridge or did 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:44.720 you apply for Big Brother? 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:49.320 I was meant to go into Big Brother last year, 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.880 the one with the returning housemates, which because I've been 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.080 a fan of Big Brother for forever, I was so 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.439 excited about. But I had something come up at work 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.240 that meant that I was unable to so I had 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.079 to pull out before I was meant to fly down 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.240 to Sydney, and then at that point I was like, 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:06.800 oh my god, there's no way they're going to put 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.360 me on another TV show. After I pulled out, after 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.480 kind of going through this whole process and like, they've 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.240 invested this much time in me. But then probably a 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.199 month later, they were like, hey, we're filming this new 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:23.080 TV show. And when they explained to me what it was, 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.720 I was like, oh, let me think about it, but 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.400 I'm leaning towards absolutely not the idea of building a 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:34.000 bridge sounds disgusting, but lo and behold, how to think 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.280 about it. I was like, you know what, seventeen days. 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.920 I think I can do anything for seventeen days, and 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.439 if anything, it's going to be a really wild story 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:44.439 and it's going to push me outside of my comfort 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.480 zone a little bit. So that's how I ended up 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:47.559 on the bridge. 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.400 I feel robbed. I feel robbed. I would have loved 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.120 to have seen you in Big Brother, especially in that series. 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.280 I feel like you would have been good at being 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.640 able to hold people accountable. The weren't being held accountable 0:13:58.679 --> 0:13:59.320 in that series. 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.400 So yeah, look, I'm sad. I'm sad that I didn't 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.560 get to do it because that was like, that was 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.080 my pick, the show that I wanted to do. But 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.160 you know, when the opportunity arose with this, I just thought, yeah, 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.920 it makes sense. The timing makes sense. Take it as 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.240 a sign from the universe go and build a bridge. 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.880 Who knows, maybe a win And going into it, I 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.160 was like, there's maybe I'll make it halfway. There's no 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:23.280 way I'm going to make it to the end of 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.760 this thing. But I surprised myself by going out there, 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.480 and I'm glad that I did because the people that 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:34.040 I met, like post this show, the I guess relationship 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.760 that most of us still have with each other is 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.800 really strong, and I think I'll be friends with quite 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:40.120 a few of these people for a long time. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:41.400 So who's on the outer? 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:41.600 Then? 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.320 Can I ask that there's got to be someone on 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.440 the outer like, who are the people that are not 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:47.120 no longer in the WhatsApp group? 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.280 Well? There are, Look, there are people. 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:57.680 That just don't engage in the main group. Tiana is 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.560 one of those people. And I don't know whether that 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.200 stems from a place of she's a busy woman. She's 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.600 touring with, busy about Billie Eilish at the moment, dancing 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.360 for her, which very jealous of. 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:11.600 And I don't know whether it's because of the way that. 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.560 She left the show as well with burning the bridge 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.960 to maybe she doesn't maybe that's why she doesn't contribute 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.400 in the chat, but she's one person that doesn't speak 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:23.680 up as much in the group chat. 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:24.920 Yeah. 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:29.440 Interestingly with Hugo Weaving, he introduces the show in episode 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:33.200 one and he very dramatically says, you know, will this 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.840 place change them forever? Did this show change you forever? 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:42.120 Look the experience, yes, probably in many ways has changed me. 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.400 Has it changed me forever? Not really, because I think 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:46.880 I was one of those people that went in that 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.560 you know, loves a moral dilemma, like put me in 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.440 a difficult situation and let's see if I make the 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:52.360 right or wrong decision. 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:53.360 I love that kind of thing. 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.440 I think for a lot of other people who were 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.520 out there, it will have legitimately changed them because it 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.600 put them in positions where they had to take money 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.240 and they wouldn't usually, and you know, it made them 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:07.040 feel physically sick that they had stolen from this prize money. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.320 But to me, it was an experience that I think 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.640 has changed me and has meant that I've grown in 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.280 a number of ways. But has it changed me forever 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:17.160 that dramatically? 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:17.880 No. 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.600 What about the people who thought the bridge was too confusing? 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.120 Because I read a lot about this online where people 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.400 were like, what's going on? You know, is there a 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.920 monster that left the knife in the post? You know, 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.200 who's in charge of the bridge? You know? There was 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.240 some questions that people had about getting invested in the 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.560 show because there was some things which were a little 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.760 bit blurred. So I guess the best way to ask 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:40.880 you this question is how did you explain the game 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:42.440 to your friends and family. 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:43.240 Going into it? 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.720 Because I had no idea how it would work. I 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.240 really didn't understand it, and there was a British version 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:49.880 that a lot of us had kind of watched to 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:51.880 get a grasp on the rules, but there were also 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.280 a few key differences between the two. When I came back, 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.480 the way that I tried to describe it to people 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:03.000 is it's kind of like a hybrid between like a 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:07.600 big brother and a survivor. But the fundamental difference is 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.760 that you need to work together as a team, so 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.879 you need to keep your strong people together. But at 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:16.919 the same time, you don't want people who are too strong, 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.640 because then when it comes to the end, if they've 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.080 contributed more or they're perceived to be, you know, the 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.480 hero of the group, of course they're going to be 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.400 the person selected to walk it at the end, and 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.800 can you trust somebody you've known for seventeen days to 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.439 split that money with you? So I really could not 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:37.280 succinctly explain to people how this worked, which I think 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.439 frustrated a lot of people in the lead up to 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.720 it airing. And I still get a ton of questions 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.000 from my family and friends around how it works. And 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.200 I think the reality is it's just a new reality 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.920 TV format that people need to be able to wrap 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:54.000 their heads around because it is unconventional. You don't have 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:58.600 a regular cadence of people going to tribal counsel or 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.719 having an eviction. When we were out there, we had 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:03.480 no idea when the next player would go off. We 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.000 had no idea how many people would be there at 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.280 the end. We were like, is this have we stopped 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.679 getting rid of people? Will there be five of us left. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:12.040 At the end? 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.679 Is like nine seems like too many people to be 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:16.440 here at the end. How are we actually going to vote? 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.000 Are we raising our hands? Are we writing down names 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.600 and putting them in a jar? The format, I think, 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.239 just because it is so new, means that there are 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.160 a lot of questions, and I don't think it's as 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:31.280 simple as your typical competition reality TV show format. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.119 There was just that. I think I mentioned it, but 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:34.960 I think there were some things that only frustrated me. 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:36.920 I mean, I loved the show, don't get me wrong, 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.280 Like I actually was kind of a bit obsessed. But 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.959 the knife. You know, like in episode one, you're all 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.159 sitting around having a chat and then all of a sudden, 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.200 you know, Savage found the knife that was stabbed into 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.200