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Speaker 1: Already and this this is the Daily This is the

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Speaker 1: Daly OS. Oh, now it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty second of January. I'm Sam, I'm Billy. This week,

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Speaker 2: a channeline journalist was stood down after he allegedly accepted

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars for being the first TV journalist to

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Speaker 2: call a high profile businessman McLaren guy instead of Lamber guy.

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Speaker 2: Channel nine have responded saying they are quote taking this

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Speaker 2: matter extremely seriously and have stood down the reporter Alex Cullen. Today,

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Speaker 2: we thought we'd go through a bit more of a

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Speaker 2: media literacy angle with this story. What are the rules

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Speaker 2: and ethics around journalists accepting gifts?

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Speaker 1: Sam? I think we should start with who Adrian Portelli

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Speaker 1: is because I've heard a lot about him. I think

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Speaker 1: he buys a lot of houses on the block and

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Speaker 1: interested in how he got from there, from him buying

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Speaker 1: all of these houses on the block, all the way

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Speaker 1: to here where he is giving fifty thousand dollars to

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Speaker 1: a journalist for calling him McLaren guy. Take us through it.

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Speaker 1: Who is Adrian Potelli?

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Speaker 2: So this is a guy who has rocketed up the

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Speaker 2: Rich List in recent years because of his business. He's

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Speaker 2: got a following of nearly five hundred thousand on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, he's well known for buying properties on the

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Speaker 2: block and then giving them away as prizes. And you

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Speaker 2: can essentially think about his business as kind of a

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Speaker 2: lottery system, so giving away unbelievable amounts of money or

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Speaker 2: in this case houses in exchange for people entering a

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Speaker 1: And I believe he's actually at the center of a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And it's a little bit of an ambiguous

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Speaker 2: area in terms of whether the current lottery legal frameworks

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Speaker 2: apply to something like this on social media. But the

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Speaker 2: reason why he's known as the Lambeou Guy is because

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two he arrived at auction for the

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Speaker 2: of extravagant lifestyle type of guy. Now, last week he

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Speaker 2: posted to his Instagram stories and he said, I'll give

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars to the first TV journalist who calls

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Speaker 2: me McLaren guy. Another type of car and not Lambeo guy.

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Speaker 2: Go for it. Then on Friday, Alex Cullen, who is

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Speaker 2: a sports reporter on Channel nine, he's often on the

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Speaker 1: Gonna do a bit of celebrity spotting today. Adrian Portelli,

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Speaker 1: aka the McLaren guy, likely to make you an appearance

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Speaker 2: But look it's a different luxury car. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's McLaren.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's definitely McLaren. That's probably got both of guys.

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Speaker 2: We can split the fifty grand. Yeah. So that happened

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Speaker 2: on live television. Then a couple of hours later Portelli

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Speaker 2: This was then picked up by other media, The Herald

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Speaker 2: action has been promptly taken, including arranging for the funds

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Speaker 2: to be returned. While we reviewed the circumstances in which

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Speaker 1: It's such an interesting story and when we posted it

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Speaker 1: it garnered so much attention. I think we were even

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Speaker 1: And I think today what we want to talk about

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Speaker 1: interesting area of what is the responsibility or what other

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it led to some really interesting

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Speaker 2: and that's called them Double A, and that's the largest

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Speaker 2: They argue for increases to wages or improved conditions of working.

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Speaker 2: importantly for this story, they promote the practice of high

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Speaker 1: And so that's the main document that we're talking about today,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's relatively easy to get your head around

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Speaker 2: this one. I mean we're used to big, scary PDFs

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Speaker 2: And the particular clauses that are relevant for this discussion

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Speaker 2: It says, do not allow personal interest or any belief, commitment, payment, gift,

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Speaker 2: clause five encourages journalists to disclose any conflix of interest

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Speaker 2: And then finally clause seven, it's do your utmost to

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Speaker 1: And so I guess the key point here is not

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Speaker 1: And that's where there could be a breach in this code.

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Speaker 2: Of ethics, right yeah, And it's not even you know,

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Speaker 2: the code really puts this extra responsibility journalists, where it's

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Speaker 1: This is feeling very meta. We're journalists talking about journalists.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different to something like medical Code of Ethics

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Speaker 2: Isn't exactly and it might not be that much of

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Speaker 2: So I guess what I'm trying to say here is

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Speaker 1: And also not every journalist is a member of the

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Speaker 2: Ethics right certainly, And that's also an interesting point. We

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Speaker 1: So this is an ongoing investigation. We haven't actually heard

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, this story has been reported by most

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, I mean Alex Cullen has been

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really interesting discussion also about the ethics

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Speaker 2: And I think the thing that people are finding a

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Speaker 2: This is an ongoing investigation. We haven't heard from Alex

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Speaker 1: And this all comes in what has been quite a

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Speaker 2: another sports journalist, Tony Jones, who was accused of being

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Speaker 2: rude to Serbian fans of tennis player Novak Djokovic. Djokovic

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