1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: And we'll get straight into it because we know that 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Australian dwelling values rose another zero point five percent in May, 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: taking the national index well one point seven percent higher 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: over the first five months of the year. The gains 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: were broad based, with every capital city posting a rise 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: of at least zero point four percent through the month. 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line to talk more about 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: the change in dwelling values is Cotalities head of Research, 9 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: Eliza Owen. Good morning to you, Eliza. 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: Good morning, thanks for having me. 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, lovely to have you on the show. Now, Eliza, 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: can you talk me through the value changes across our 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: capital cities. 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: Sure? So, as you mentioned, over the month of May, 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: we saw a point five percent increase in home values 16 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 2: nationally and it was a broad based uplift, with each 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: capital city rising at least zero point four percent in 18 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: the month. Darwin actually stood out as the top four 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: am in the month of May, with values rising a 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: whopping one point six percent, leaving them about five percent 21 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: or sorry, six percent higher since the start of the year. 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,919 Speaker 2: So at this stage it kind of looks like Darwin 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: is actually leading the pack when it comes to our 24 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: capital city market. 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: Wow, I mean that's good news for us if you're 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: a home owner, I guess if you're in the market 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: wanting to buy a home, it might be a little 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: bit tougher to hear. But what's behind that momentum that 29 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: we're seeing in the Northern territory firs se So. 30 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,279 Speaker 2: It's coming off the back of a pretty subdued period, 31 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: I would say for the Darwin market. Darwin is really 32 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: the only market of the capital cities that is still 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: down from Hives back in twenty fourteen, which was associated 34 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: with sort of the rise of the Chinese economy and 35 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: the iron ore boom and the resources boom. So I 36 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: think it's coming off a low base than a slower 37 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: piece of growth historically. And that also means that while 38 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: other capital city values have been pushed up significantly in 39 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: recent years, Darwin has remained one of the relatively affordable capitals, 40 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: with a median dwelling value of about five hundred and 41 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: twenty six thousand dollars. So what it does mean though, 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: so just was going to add that, as you say, 43 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: it kind of flips the script for first term buyers 44 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: or people who are looking to get back into ownership 45 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: because now it's rising, so rapidly. We've seen a substantial 46 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: increase ince the start of this year. 47 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So obviously those values are going up. But 48 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: when you talk about, you know, our home values comparatively 49 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: to some of the other capital cities around Australia in 50 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: terms of the actual price, we're we're still much more affordable, 51 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: aren't we than those other capitals cities. 52 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, So to put it in perspective, the median house 53 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: value across the capital city markets is currently one million 54 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: and twenty five thousand, So it's not just Sydney that's 55 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 2: a million dollar market anymore. It's pretty common to find 56 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: million dollar properties across the capitals. But for Darwin the 57 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: median house value is six hundred and thirteen thousand at 58 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: the end of May. So for people who are looking 59 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: to maybe retire and get the most out of the 60 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: sale from a home and purchase something out right, Darwin 61 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: looks really good. Or for people who just want kind 62 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: of the really unique and wonderful lifestyle that Darwin has 63 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: to offer. Property prices are relatively affordable compared to other 64 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: capital cities. 65 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: How big an impact has the right cut had and 66 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: potential of the right cuts, so I. 67 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: Think it's had a pretty substantial impact, particularly this month, 68 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: with the one point six percent growth rate being the 69 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: strongest increase for Darwin so far this year, and this 70 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: is coming off the back of seven consecutive months of growth. 71 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: So when interest rates are cut, it makes housing look 72 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: more attractive because people can essentially get more access to finance. 73 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: It also makes it a good time for people to 74 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: sell their property because more buyers come into the market. 75 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: But I think there's an added layer here of interest 76 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: rate cuts in twenty twenty five signaling the end to 77 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: a high insallationary high interest rate period that has really 78 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: had a substantial boost in confidence for households and makes 79 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 2: them more confident in big ticket purchases like housing, Eliza. 80 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: In terms of Darwin and the stock that's available, do 81 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: we have a lot of stock ready to go on 82 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: the market or are we quite limited? 83 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: Well, I think think at the moment we are seeing 84 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: stock levels rise a little bit, so the flow of 85 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: new listings has started ticking up. But longer term, the 86 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: level of total listings on the market has gradually been 87 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: tightening because it was such a slow market for such 88 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: a long time. So no doubt with this pickup in 89 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: growth we'll start to see more sellers decide to put 90 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: their properties on the market, And. 91 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: In terms of like, looking at those annual trends, how 92 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: are we tracking and even with our prices, you know, 93 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: comparatively to what we might have seen ten years ago. 94 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: So property prices over the past twelve months across Darwin 95 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: it's been a little more of a kind of subdued 96 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: growth rate, so sitting at about four percent. Mind you, 97 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: that is higher than the national figure, which is an 98 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: annual growth rate of three percent. But obviously this is 99 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: quite different to the boom and bus conditions of the 100 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 2: early to mid twenty tens, where it wasn't uncommon to 101 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: see you know, double digit growth in a single year 102 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: and then followed by a really wrong period of decline 103 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. 104 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: Now, in terms of some of the standouts for the 105 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: Northern Territory, are you like, I'm not sure whether this 106 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: element of research looked into which suburbs or which areas 107 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: sort of doing the best at this point in time. 108 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: So we do measure different sub markets of the NT. 109 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: It is a small market, so it can be hard 110 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: to go month to month on some of those trends. 111 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: But if we look at say annual growth rates, the 112 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 2: highest performing region was Palmerston and that market has actually 113 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: come up almost nine percent in the past year. There's 114 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 2: also a big range, so on the other end of 115 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: the spectrum, you've got Alice Springs where values were down 116 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: six percent in a twelve month period. But even for 117 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: a market like Alice Springs which has shown weaker kind 118 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: of capital growth performance, we tend to see things like 119 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: rent yields are very high because there's a lot of 120 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: demand for rental properties. The purchasing price is quite cheap, 121 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: and with the reduction in interest rates, that might create 122 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: further interest in these markets from both an owner occupier 123 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: and investment perspective. 124 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: And what about across the rest of the Northern Territory 125 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: when you look at those rental yields. 126 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: So for the Darwin market, we're looking at a gross 127 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: rent yield of just under seven percent, which is huge 128 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: when you consider that the combined capitals is about three 129 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: and a half percent. For regional n T it's even 130 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: stronger just because you've got relatively cheap purchase prices. So 131 00:07:55,200 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: I think for investors there could be some incentive to 132 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: get back into the market, particularly because we're at a 133 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: point now where other capital cities have seen such strong 134 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: price increases that they may not see as much further 135 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: value add So I guess in a sense, the NT 136 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: has room to grow. And you've got really strong rent 137 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: yields of just under seven percent in Darwin and in 138 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: regional NT it's just under eight cent and Eliza. 139 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: When you look at other regional locations around Australia, I mean, 140 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: how does Darwin sort of compare or what's happening in 141 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: some of the regions. Are we seeing a bit more 142 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: growth than maybe what we've seen in previous years. 143 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: That's a great question, and I think it relates to 144 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: some of the appeal in the NT and Darwin market 145 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: as well. What we're seeing is that regional Australia has 146 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: generally seen better performance than the capital cities through the 147 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: start of twenty twenty five. So if we look at 148 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: the year to date, the combined capital's market is up 149 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 2: one point four percent, Regional Australia is up to point 150 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: six percent, so it's almost double the growth rate. I 151 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: think it's because, again coming back to price point, if 152 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: you look at the combined capital house market, we talked 153 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: about a median house value being over a million dollars. 154 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: For the combined regional market of Australia, a median house 155 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: value is only six hundred and ninety four thousand, and 156 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: of course, as we've discussed cheaper in the NT. Still 157 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: we're also seeing in migration trends less people are leaving 158 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: the regions, so that means you've got higher levels of 159 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: demand holding up in the NT in regional Australia as well. 160 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: So from your perspective, Aliza, what are the key takeouts 161 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: for our listeners today when you look at all these 162 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: numbers and when you look at what's happening for the 163 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: Northern territor. 164 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 2: Tray, So, the Northern Territory is kind of re emerging 165 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: as quite a decent growth market after a long period 166 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: of relatively subdued performance. That means if you're interested in 167 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: selling your property, it could be a good time to 168 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: start following the market of course, talking to local real 169 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: estate professionals in your area and maybe thinking because this 170 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: could be a good opportunity to sell. I think it's 171 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: also a reflection of people seeing the kind of value, 172 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: the great lifestyle that Darwin has to offer and ultimately 173 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: how more affordable markets tend to benefit in the current 174 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: environment of reduced interest rates well catalities. 175 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: Head of Research, Eliza Owen. Great to speak with you 176 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: this morning. Thanks so much for joining us on the show. 177 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: Of course, thanks for having me. 178 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks, you two