1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: The government was grilled in estimates last week and despite 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: some bombshells around budget blowouts being revealed the opposition and 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: cross benches so they were left disappointed and with our 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: answers in many key areas. For a recap of estimates 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: and plenty of other issues. Is Chief Minister Michael Gunn, 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Chief Minister, Good morning, good morning, how are you going well? 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 2: Thanks? 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 3: Chief? 9 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: Can we first start with the estimates process in parliament 10 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: last week? Were you happy with how it went? And 11 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: do you believe your government did a good enough job 12 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: in answering questions from opposition, So. 13 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 3: Sixty hours of being grilled and I think all my 14 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 3: ministers and the public service who came along to answer 15 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 3: those questions from the opposition. Obviously it's a two way 16 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 3: thing opposition to have to ask good questions and we 17 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: will always do the best to give answers. 18 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: It's not the only opportunity for question and answer. 19 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 3: There's obviously question time in Parliament, debates of bills, interviews 20 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 3: like this, etc. So it's not the one and only 21 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: time we get a chance to talk about issues that 22 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: matter the Territorians. But I do things a really important 23 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: chance to do grill into why we're they're budgeting what 24 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: we are budgeting, like where the money is going in 25 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: the future across this year. And obviously for me, the 26 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 3: priority is coronavirus, saving lives and right now saving as 27 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: many jobs as we possibly can. 28 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: And I think that became clear. Drough the Question Answer. 29 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: Opposition letter Leah Finocchio says the government failed to provide 30 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: answers in estimates despite repeated warnings about the questions that 31 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: were coming. Why wasn't the government able to answer some 32 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: of those questions, particularly around policing and some that did 33 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: come with a fair bit of notice. 34 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 3: So I know, for example, in Myra, I felt we 35 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: answered all the questions that come. But there's always a 36 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 3: degree to which you take something on notice. So it 37 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: depends the way the question is worded. It might be 38 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 3: a slightly different date range or time range, and you've 39 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: got to take that on notice to get the information back. 40 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 3: So we have this is built into the process. So 41 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: every question that's asked will be answered by January twenty two, 42 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: So we will answer every question. Sometimes you just want 43 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: to go away and get more detail. There's a lot 44 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: that happens in government. You can't have everything in front 45 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: of you. 46 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:57,279 Speaker 2: In a brief. 47 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: I do find the usually the most often times when 48 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: you have information that's close to what they're asking, but 49 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: it doesn't quite fit the date range or the definition, 50 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: so you go, actually, I need to I need to 51 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: go away and tweak it to the answer that you 52 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: so you actually want, which is fair to them. You know, 53 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: you've got to answer the question accurately. So I find 54 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 3: that's usually the most common experience. 55 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: One of the biggest revelations to come from estimates was 56 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: a seven million dollar budget blowout of the State Square 57 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: car Park. 58 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: Why did this blow out so much? So? 59 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 3: I think this is how you look at the project. 60 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 3: We originally budgeted thirty, it came in at ten to 61 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 3: at nineteen, and the more things happened on site than 62 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 3: were expected, so there was more apestos, for example, so 63 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 3: that put the costs up, and there were a couple 64 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 3: of other different projects, so the gardening on top got 65 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: rolled into the contract, which wasn't there at the starts, mindstanding, so. 66 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: It took the cost up to twenty seven. 67 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: So it still came in under what our original estimate was, 68 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 3: and we've got more for the dollar that we spent. 69 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: I think it's also important to Remember this is part 70 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: of the bigger dal and City deal, So it's not 71 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 3: just project in isolation, just about taking car parks hot 72 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 3: car parks, turning them into parkland, yet still create more 73 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: car parking spaces in the CBD. This is how you 74 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 3: make the CBD of dal On a job creator and 75 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: essentially revitalized Darwin. This is part of those bigger plans. 76 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 3: So that's the deal that we signed with the Prime Minister. 77 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: As you mentioned, one of those costs blow out. One 78 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: of the reasons was that unexpected asbestos removal. But according 79 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: to a report on ABC, that only costs two point 80 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: seven million dollars. Where did the other four million dollar 81 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 1: blowout come from? 82 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: So mindstanding it was the parkland on top wasn't built 83 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: to the dirigional contract that was originally going to happen Separately, 84 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: I double checked out the linemester, that's my minderstanding. And 85 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: there was an elevator on site as well. I think, 86 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: so a couple of different things like that that weren't 87 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: part of the original quote. That's my understanding. I'm sure 88 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: either'd be more than happy to give you more information. 89 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: Why were those design plans changed so many times? I 90 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: think I saw three different images from when this project 91 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: was initially announced to what the final project was. Why 92 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: did that change so much during that process? 93 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: So my understanding change of designs is that can happen 94 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: in infrastructure projects as they go. I'm not sure in 95 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 3: this instance what those reasons were, but there can often 96 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 3: be whether it's a road or something else, design tweaks 97 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: as people go about the land, or what they find 98 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: when they dig it up, So those things can occur 99 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: as you go through the projects. So variations, unfortunately, are 100 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: not uncommon when it comes to infrastructure projects. 101 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: One of the other issues to come from estimates was 102 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: confusion from Police Commissioner Jamie chalker around police resources in 103 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: Our Springs Now. Commissioner Chalkas said the town had been 104 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: without a dedicated property crime unit for some time. 105 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 3: Is that the case, I've double checked the commissioner mindsettings 106 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: are definitely working on property crime in Our Springs. 107 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, one of the things that keeps us very 108 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: busy down there. 109 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 3: So operationally, the police commissioner might describe things in certain 110 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 3: ways and that's what that. 111 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: Makes sense to the troops. 112 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 3: But my understanding has always been that they investigate property 113 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 3: crime in Our Springs and they're a police they're based 114 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: there permanently who do that and strikeforce vipers having consumable 115 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: success at the moment. That's a slight variation that's property 116 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: crime and youth crime. But my min understanding is that 117 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: there are definitely police in Alice investigate popular. 118 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: Crime and just goes to the way Ocean. 119 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: The Police Commission of views how he allocates his troops 120 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 3: as opposed to what the outcome is for someone living 121 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 3: in ol Springs. 122 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: Do you think there are enough police resources in Alice 123 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 1: Springs at the moment? 124 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 3: Are there a significant resources in Alison? We've actually sent 125 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: more down. This is true for the territory at large, 126 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: but obviously we're talking about Alice now. The police have 127 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: to move resources constantly to where the need is. We're 128 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: very mobile population. This became evidence during coronavirus when we 129 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 3: start looking at mobility data. So people might move around 130 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: a lot within Sydney, but in terms of movement between 131 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: Sydney and other places within this a Whales the territory. 132 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 3: Trump's all that we have significant people movements from are 133 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: you and the move or a wad Air or a 134 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 3: man in Grida a Dale and Alice tennant and Catherine. 135 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: We move around a lot, and so police have to 136 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: adjust resources against where the need is. You can't just 137 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 3: set and forget when it comes to police, You've got 138 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 3: to move resources around. 139 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: You were down in Alice Springs last week. What is 140 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: the mood like down there at the moment, because the 141 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: feeling that we're getting I guess on this program with 142 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: Katie's callers and on social or media, is that things 143 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: are at boiling point? Did you get that perception when 144 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: you were there? 145 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 3: So I met with a range of different businesses and 146 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 3: business reps, locals essentially who loved the place that they live. 147 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 3: What I got was a sense of perspective. So absolute 148 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 3: frustration with crime. But this has been on off issue 149 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: for al Springs for a while, so you know it 150 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: doesn't stay helt this. 151 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: I'll put this in the right way. 152 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 3: So crimes occurring in our springs as it is around 153 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 3: the territory all the time, and then the peaks and troughs, 154 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: and it's just an absolute frustration to see the peak coming. 155 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 3: We know school holidays is often a very hot time. 156 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: We're planning for that. We thought when the biosecurity regions 157 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: dropped and people moved around a lot, there'd be a 158 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 3: hot time. 159 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: It wasn't. 160 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 3: It ended up being in this weird period during semester, 161 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: so they peaked probably out of cycle our season, if 162 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 3: that makes sense. So I absolutely get the frustration. Everyone 163 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 3: should feel safe. It's just you want people that our 164 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 3: springs to know that there are police there, there are church, 165 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 3: your families, workers there, We're busting a gart, We're doing 166 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 3: our best, and there is an absolute frustration. I think 167 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 3: we've seen crime repeat this cycle that goes on and on. 168 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: I get it. 169 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: That's one reason why we're vesiting kids. We've got to 170 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: break this cycle that's been going. So you go on 171 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: for decades now in the normal territory, and I absolutely get 172 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: the frustration of crime. 173 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: Did you meet with members of the public or victims 174 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: of crime while you were in Alice Springs? 175 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 3: I met with members of the public and unfortunately victims 176 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: of crime were in every group that I met with, 177 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 3: so you know, they don't discriminate. You know, you meet 178 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: the Chamber of Commerce, you meet true in Central Australia, 179 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: met Social Australia Reconstruction Commission. I met with a bunch 180 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: of health, police, general community people who came along to 181 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 3: the Chris function I organized day. They unfortunately have experienced crime. 182 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: You know, El Springs is a small place. If you 183 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: have experienced crime, you probably know someone who's experienced crime, 184 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: and so top it was a topic of conversation every 185 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: single meeting I had, we put on the table. I 186 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: did a lot with the police minister who was there. 187 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: So you might be talking budget or corona, but in 188 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: every meeting we also put crime on the table and 189 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 3: said let's talk about crime and what's going on where 190 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: you are. Went down to meet the viper, I meet 191 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: Luna's and another operations running as well. A there's two 192 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: operations going we Strikeforce in operation going in our springs 193 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: at the moment. 194 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: One is your message to residents of Alice Springs who 195 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: are obviously already worried about youth crime in the town 196 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: and now with school holidays just around the corner, those 197 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: who might be worried about seeing an increase as you're 198 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: talking about before those peaks and trots, and traditionally we 199 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: see peaks within the school holiday Christmas period. What is 200 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: your message to residents of Alice Springs who are worried, 201 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: g If it's bad now, what could it be like? 202 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 3: Over the next few months. So we've been doing a 203 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 3: lot of work trying to get ahead of this. So 204 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 3: Strikeface Viper Operational Moon has been trying to get on 205 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: top of the peak that we had, the early peak 206 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 3: that we had, and trying to make sure that we 207 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 3: smooth out the rough over the Christmas period. We also 208 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 3: always have plans for the Christmas piod because we know 209 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: it's going to be a busy period, and so part 210 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: of my meetings in Al Springs was to meet the 211 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 3: people doing the plane, get the people working on the plane, 212 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: look at it, make sure we've got things happening every day, 213 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: different times a day, sometimes of the night. So I 214 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: guess basically you've run down there is we are absolutely 215 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 3: busting a guard that there are public servants and the 216 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: not for profit sector and. 217 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: Order remembers, the community, to be honest, who are all working. 218 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: Really hard to make sure that Christmas is as safe 219 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: as possible for everybody. 220 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 2: So yeah, we're just doing our best. 221 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: Coming back to Darwin this week, the Director of Liquor 222 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: Licensing will hand down a final decision on a Dan 223 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: Murphy store in Darwin. Do you support this proposal? 224 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: So for me, we need an answer it's been going 225 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: for four years now. 226 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: Businesses prefer a quick decision. They prefer a yes to no, 227 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: but they prefer a quick note to a slow no. 228 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: We simply need a decision right now. I've been of 229 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 3: the opinion since we brought in the Riley review which 230 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 3: said that a floor price is the important way through this. 231 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 3: So Riley didn't make commentary or any repredations around floor 232 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 3: size or anything like you know, big or small. Didn't 233 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: make commentary around that, but he made commentary around making 234 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: sure there was a floor price in place. So for 235 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 3: Dan's was to come to town, they couldn't undercut or 236 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: go below that floor price. So everyone has to sell 237 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: the same floor price, if that makes sense. So once 238 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: that came in, it took away the pressure around floor 239 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: sizes as an issue. So here we need a yes 240 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: or a no. I respect the director of last seeing 241 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: the decision that he will make. I don't know if 242 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: he'll be yes, and I don't know if he'll be 243 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: a no, but we'll certainly know which I think is 244 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: the important thing. 245 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: It's been going for four years, so for me. 246 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: I think you've got to have laws or reforms or 247 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: policies targeted problem drinking harm caused by alcohol and go 248 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: accept that actually drinking itself is a legal thing in 249 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 3: the normal territory. You know, darl was not a dry 250 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 3: town and so responsible drinkers also need to be considered 251 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: as well. So it's important that we get the bundles right. 252 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: I think we have got that, and now we simply 253 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: need a decision about yes or no on the Don Danes. 254 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: So providing that they can obviously operate within those regulations 255 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: around the BDR and the floor price, you would be 256 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: happy to see a Dan Murphy's in Darwin was. 257 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: A quality right. 258 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: So every person who is a takeaway looker outlet in 259 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 3: normal territory must apply with. 260 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: Those rules absolutely across the board. 261 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: And I think that's the important thing we've done that 262 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: gives the ability to make decisions like this. Now, it 263 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: doesn't mean that Dan's gets a yes, right, There's other 264 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 3: things that will be considered. There's all the community sbmissions 265 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 3: and some one that also must be considered by the 266 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 3: Director of Licensing relation to the original location and may 267 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: be considered in relation to the new location if he 268 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: needs more information. 269 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: So for me, let's just get a quick answer. 270 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: Staying on this topic and two Palmeston liquor licenses have 271 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: also been fast tracked for approval. That's been criticized by 272 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: Palmeston Marathena Pasco Bell, who in an op ed piece 273 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: in the paper yesterday said, how will the government cope 274 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: with the damage and harm that would come from these 275 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: overturned decisions of the Liquor Commission? How do you expect 276 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: the stakeholders that have worked with you talking about the 277 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: government in good faith to trust your legislation and decision 278 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: making moving forward. It was a very critical piece of 279 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: the government. What is your response to that? 280 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: Well, I think this goes to a couple of things 281 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: I have been missing. The stood there's not a fast 282 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 3: tracking dance resempts we made for four years. This is 283 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: just bringing it to a conclusion. All the things that 284 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 3: we got in place, the new Liquor Aic, the Liquor 285 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 3: Comission all remains. So we've actually touched any of our 286 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: alcohol policy and settings. So therefore no more harm can 287 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: come from because we're handling alcohol the exact same way, 288 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 3: no matter who sells it. So for me, this goes 289 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: a misunderstanding about what decisions been made here about trying 290 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 3: to get there to be a decision so we can 291 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: all move on. So none of the alcohol policy scenings 292 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: we have in place that target alcohol harm have been touched. 293 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: The Liquor Commission and the New liqu Commission Act haven't 294 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 3: been touched. The floor proces hasn't been touched. Ban Driggs 295 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 3: Register hasn't been touched. All the things that we do 296 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: to make sure we're targeting alcohol related harm have not 297 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 3: been touched. This is about getting a decision on four 298 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: applications that are historical. They all came in before the 299 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 3: new Act all and so we just simply want those 300 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: processes to come to an end. It's about cutting red 301 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 3: tape and that's why we need a decision. 302 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: To a different topic, and last week the government revealed 303 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: legislation giving renters assumed rights to a pet in a 304 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: rental property. The government revealed they will come into effect 305 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: on January first. This is another issue that's been incredibly divisive. 306 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: Why did the government choose to introduce this legislation. 307 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 2: So just a clarification on process. 308 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 3: So it was introduced and passed and hadn't been as 309 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 3: centered so the technicality so it's all been done, So 310 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: had already been law that about pets and dogs in 311 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 3: a unit or a house. What we simply did was 312 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 3: finally put them into place. So what we're saying here 313 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: is that tenants may have a cat or a dog, 314 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 3: but landlords can still say no. We'll just refined the 315 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 3: process so it's easier for a tenant essentially to ask. 316 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: And I get it. 317 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 3: Look I at the moment have a baby rather than 318 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: a pet. I don't think I could manage a pet, 319 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: so hurry they've run out there, Barnstad. 320 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 2: Pets are like family. I get it. I get that, 321 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: But landlords still have to have the right to say no. 322 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: Attorney General and Minister for Justice so letting you Bo says, 323 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: this legislation is about balancing the rights between tenants and landlords. 324 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: But the ari I n T say, Well, this legislation 325 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: tips that too far in favor of the ten and 326 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: they've been very critical of this. 327 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 2: What's your response to those at ARII n T. 328 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 3: Well, there was an argument from RSPCA, for example, that 329 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: went too far in favor of landlords before. So I 330 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: don't know if you'll ever get it right, but I 331 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: do think this allowed I do believe allows a fair 332 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 3: rebalance between landlord and tenant and the landlord can still 333 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 3: say no. I get it if you want you want 334 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 3: to say no to having a pet in your place, 335 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 3: but this gives you a great ability for a tenant 336 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: to ask. 337 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: Just quickly, Chief before you go. You raised a lot 338 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: of eyebrows last week when you revealed that you'll be 339 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: heading away for Christmas. That's after telling Territorians to cancel 340 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: their Christmas travel plans earlier this year. Do you now 341 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: regret saying that. 342 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: Well in July. 343 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: I think it was coming with late July or early August. 344 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 3: But nowhere in the world has done what Victoria has done. 345 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: So they hit seven hundred cases a day. Everywhere else 346 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: has hit that has spiraled out of control. I think 347 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: it's an extraordinary effort. And none of us thought was 348 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: going to happen that Victoria hit donuts. Doughnuts don't ut 349 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: by now it's just incredible. So my advice to all 350 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 3: the Territorians is be safe, Territory safe. If you want 351 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: to get away and spend time a family, that's what 352 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: we'll be doing. If you want to get tom Wave 353 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: family in a year like this, I get it, I understand, 354 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 3: but you've got pack twenty five hundred dollars and fourteen 355 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 3: days I'll be doing that. I really hope I don't 356 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 3: need to do that, but so travel safe, travel carefully, 357 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: travel of caution. But if you need to be a 358 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: family like I think we can all get it right. 359 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 3: This has been a horrible year. People of miss funerals, 360 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 3: people miss weddings, people haven't got to see their grandkids, 361 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: so it's been tough on families. So I think we 362 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: can all undertand people who spend time of family this year. 363 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: Chief Minister Michael Gunner, we will leave it there. I 364 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: don't know if you'll catch up with Katie before Christmas, 365 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: but if we don't, thank you for your time this year, 366 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: and I hope you and the family have a very wonderful, 367 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: safe and merry Christmas. 368 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 3: Same to all of you. Say to Woolf, you, you, to Ronnie, 369 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: to the whole team. Make sure everyone has a great, safe, 370 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: happy Christmas. 371 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely it's Chief Minister Michael Gunner.