WEBVTT - Ask Uncut - HELP! My husband cheated. 

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was recorded on Cameragle Land. Hi guys, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to another episode of Life.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm cant, I'm Laura, I'm Bretnany, and this is asking

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<v Speaker 2>can't where we answer You're deep, you're dark, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>burnie questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not coping.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry with how cold it is coming back from Italy,

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<v Speaker 3>coming back from BALI.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 5>Brag, but that's where I was for my wedding. I

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<v Speaker 5>realized that that is not relatable right now, and I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna apologize for what I just said.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not coping.

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<v Speaker 3>My house is so cold that I have to wear

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<v Speaker 3>a beanie, thermal socks, thermals, a puffer, and a blanket

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<v Speaker 3>just to survive in my loundroom.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if pregnancy makes you run hotter like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's a thing. Yeah, google it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to spread misinformation, doctor Laura, but I

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<v Speaker 2>like everybody was texting while we were waving, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, it's so cod here.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that Ballet's so And then I got back

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<v Speaker 2>here and I was surprised by how not cold I am,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I have nothing underneath this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just running around in a nice little like loose knit.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you know how I know that you're cold? Though?

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<v Speaker 6>The way that you can tell that Laura is cold

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<v Speaker 6>or that it's cold outside is that you wear clothed

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<v Speaker 6>in shoes. I reckon, I've seen you wear clothes and

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<v Speaker 6>shoes maybe six times in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I only own one pair of clothed in shoes.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they're like, totally, I don't have socks on you,

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<v Speaker 3>so I have a rank.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't wear.

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<v Speaker 5>You can't wear sneakers like that are the leather.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what they are.

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<v Speaker 5>Their leather sneak is with no sot.

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<v Speaker 2>A rough morning and I looked like I got dressed

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<v Speaker 2>in a wheelibin. But that's okay, but cute, it's part.

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<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, I atu. I woke up to Lola like

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<v Speaker 2>she was having a real moment. So I woke up

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<v Speaker 2>to her crying and I walked into the bedroom. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought she was sick, and I was like, what's happening?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, because it was a.

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<v Speaker 5>Cry barley belly.

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<v Speaker 1>It was while she's been saying she's got a sort tumming.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It was like, what's going on? Girlfriend?

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<v Speaker 2>She cried for between fifteen to twenty minutes on repeat,

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<v Speaker 2>saying I I don't want to be asleep anymore. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, god, friend, the fact that you're yelling

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<v Speaker 2>at me would indicate that you are indeed awake, unless

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<v Speaker 2>she's sleepwalking.

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<v Speaker 5>I used to do that sleep talking.

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<v Speaker 1>She was completely awake.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know when your body is so tired

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<v Speaker 2>and you are so tired, but you're like, just want

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<v Speaker 2>to get up and get going, but you can't because

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<v Speaker 2>you're exhausted. But she's, as a four year old, didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the vocab to explain it, so she just kept saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be sleep anymore. Then when I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you're awake, she then would hit me.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I was like, see you can hit me,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're awake and this was my morning.

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<v Speaker 1>So give me some slack about the socks, all right.

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<v Speaker 5>I won't because they'll stink by the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's so funny that, like this is not breaking news,

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<v Speaker 3>but when you're a kid, all the things that you hate,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all you want to do when you're an adult,

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<v Speaker 3>like put me to sleep, put me to bed, tuck

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<v Speaker 3>me in, and let me sleep.

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<v Speaker 5>That's all I'd want right now.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, I don't want to be asleep, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't want to be awake.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I particularly I'm seeing Lola upset.

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<v Speaker 6>At the airport in Bali. Laura and I caught the

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<v Speaker 6>same flight back. It was a genuine sadness. It was

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<v Speaker 6>like the post holiday blues hit Lola anybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was so sad to be leaving.

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<v Speaker 7>And she was like, I just don't want to not

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<v Speaker 7>be on holidays.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like same, babe.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, she's never recovered. It's been a week.

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<v Speaker 5>Speaking of I was gonna take so many segways.

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<v Speaker 3>Then there's so many places to go. Okay, let me

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<v Speaker 3>go back. Lola was so funny. Well, Lola and Marley

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<v Speaker 3>in the pool at Barley. So we had a recovery

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<v Speaker 3>session after the wedding. The day after the wedding, everyone

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<v Speaker 3>just came. It was just a pool party. It was

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<v Speaker 3>so fun, super chill.

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<v Speaker 5>We had burgers, fries, whatever, and the girls had it.

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<v Speaker 5>I say that it's important.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just smashed some burgers and Lola comes up

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<v Speaker 3>to me in the pool.

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<v Speaker 5>She's like, you have a baby in your belly. And

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<v Speaker 5>I was like what. I was like, sorry, what? And

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<v Speaker 5>then I started being like, have I in too many burgers?

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<v Speaker 1>I bet.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I didn't, But it was she had so much confidence.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, do you know something I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>like what Uncle.

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<v Speaker 6>Panna's put in, what Uncle bann has done to me

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<v Speaker 6>last night?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I was like, what do you mean.

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<v Speaker 5>She's like, yeah, the baby in there. She's like poking

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<v Speaker 5>my belly, I said, talk about that.

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<v Speaker 3>She goes because uncle Ben did this, and then she

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<v Speaker 3>got down on one knee and opened her hands like

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<v Speaker 3>she was proposing.

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<v Speaker 6>She goes.

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<v Speaker 3>She goes because uncle Ben went like this, will you

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<v Speaker 3>marry me? And then she did it? And then she goes,

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<v Speaker 3>So now there's a baby in your belly.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, I was like, there's no one.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't gone to the birds and the bees say yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you can tell.

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<v Speaker 4>It was so fine.

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<v Speaker 6>I excited to find out when Blola realizes that that

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<v Speaker 6>situation was reversed for her.

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<v Speaker 4>She was at the wedding of her parents.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, when she don't have to figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she hasn't quite figured that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, there's nothing more humbling than the day when your

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<v Speaker 2>kid asks you, mommy, I know that there's a baby

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<v Speaker 2>in your belly, but how did it get in there?

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<v Speaker 2>And you're like, well, let's strap on it. It's called

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<v Speaker 2>the stalk flies in the sky. I really, I still

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<v Speaker 2>don't know the best way to approach that. I just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of steamrolled to another conversation. I was like five

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<v Speaker 2>and four too young?

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<v Speaker 4>Too young?

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<v Speaker 5>No, too young. I think you can say I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think you lie about the stalk.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't say that. Yeah, but I.

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<v Speaker 5>Think you can just say it's what happens when like

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<v Speaker 5>two people I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna say, love each other, but it definitely happens without

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<v Speaker 3>loving each other as well.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You just say yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like I don't know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You ask me the one price to thank you that

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<v Speaker 1>was zero help. Thank you for being absolutely no help

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<v Speaker 1>on the matter.

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<v Speaker 7>Do you getting devised and had subscribed to the week?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it all right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go first, and that is because I had

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<v Speaker 2>so many questions. And I'm not just saying that as

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<v Speaker 2>some influencer online. It's like, hey, guys, that's so many questions.

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<v Speaker 2>This is most music no one ever asked it's so far. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a handbag person. I don't have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of handbags. I have like a very functional one which

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<v Speaker 2>I use a lot. You guys know, that's the by

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<v Speaker 2>main one, and I use that.

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<v Speaker 1>All the time.

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<v Speaker 4>I know what you're going.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I have a couple of good ones which

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<v Speaker 1>I use for weddings. I use the same one over

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<v Speaker 1>and over.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have a couple of good ones that I

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<v Speaker 2>would use if I need like an oversized bag to

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<v Speaker 2>go out. And they're all from the same brand. So

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<v Speaker 2>they're from a brand. It's an Australian label and it's

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<v Speaker 2>called Vistercy. Am I saying it right, Brick, because I

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<v Speaker 2>know you have a lot of them. Yeah, I have

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<v Speaker 2>the same bags you. I have loads of them Forstercy

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<v Speaker 2>and their Italian lever really well made Australian label, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think the thing that's like the most appealing about

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<v Speaker 2>them is that they're also very well priced pointed, Like

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<v Speaker 2>the price point on them is great for how good

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<v Speaker 2>quality they are.

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<v Speaker 5>The one that I've got right there is vests.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I mean look, and it's not just me.

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<v Speaker 2>I've gotten Ellie, my mother and Laura is now on them.

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<v Speaker 1>She's got two Vastursy bags.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was only off the back of your wedding Briut,

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<v Speaker 2>but actually the pre wedding, the white party that you

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<v Speaker 2>had the day before, where I posted what I was wearing,

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<v Speaker 2>I had so many people asking about the bag that

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<v Speaker 2>I had that I thought, you know what, this is

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<v Speaker 2>actually a brand that I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>need to get around that specific one is not available anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really old.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, Laura's taken it to any event we've ever been

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<v Speaker 3>to her one bag and Forsterce's listening block here ears.

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<v Speaker 5>But I've seen Laura throw.

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<v Speaker 3>That thing like where's a photo and she doesn't want

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<v Speaker 3>it in it or something, or.

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<v Speaker 1>She's she's like shows it around. It's like so durable.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have a single mark on it, considering how

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<v Speaker 2>I've treated it. And yeah, for something that I used

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<v Speaker 2>so often and I genuinely think the quality is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you're looking for a great new bag, whether it's.

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<v Speaker 2>For work or for that one thing that you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to take out on repeat with every outfit, I recommend it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's forestersy Australian brand, and yeah, you can just

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<v Speaker 2>get it online.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I get compliments on this bat. You guys can't

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<v Speaker 5>see it? Should I hold it up for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure?

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<v Speaker 5>Just in case, just go just look at it. It's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a Mary Poppins bag though it's not that huge,

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<v Speaker 3>but fits so much in it.

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<v Speaker 5>Cele real surprise package.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, My vibe this week is a show that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>obsessed with. It has just come out on Apple TV

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<v Speaker 3>and has Owen Wilson in it.

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<v Speaker 5>Who I love Owen Wilson personally. I feel like you

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<v Speaker 5>either love him or hate him. But it's called stick.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like Owen hasn't done anything in a long time,

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<v Speaker 3>and he doesn't do TV shows. When you think about it,

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<v Speaker 3>he's always just like rom com movies.

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<v Speaker 4>I just feel like he's.

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<v Speaker 6>That character who plays the same character in every single thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I like him too, but you know what you're getting.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, this one's a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's a It is a comedy still, but he

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<v Speaker 3>is a like washed up retired professional golfer who has

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<v Speaker 3>just lost his way in life. He had one big

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<v Speaker 3>breakdown and he's trying to get back on his feet.

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<v Speaker 3>He finds a young kid that he sees some talent

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<v Speaker 3>in but he's a bit off the rails too, like

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't want to be involved in golf.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's only they're releasing week by week.

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<v Speaker 3>There's four episodes out at the moment, but it's just

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<v Speaker 3>like coming out week by week from now. But the

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<v Speaker 3>first four Ben and I were just like hooked watched NonStop.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was the actor in this?

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<v Speaker 3>Alan Wilson, Oh, I am you know the particular loo

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<v Speaker 3>blonde hair, looks like he's had a broken nose.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything he did one where he's a heroin addict or something.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point, I think you're thinking Matthew mcconoughey. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking him. I know exactly. Oh, he's also in had

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<v Speaker 1>Is Guntender.

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<v Speaker 5>He's in a lot. He's a big Hollywood actor.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the main Yeah, he's the main guy from Hadelo's Gutend.

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<v Speaker 4>Isn't that Matthew McConaughey.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I thought it was him, wasn't it. I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure it's Matthew.

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<v Speaker 5>But I see where you're going, Laura. They look very similar.

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<v Speaker 1>So bad they look similar. I thought I got that one.

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<v Speaker 7>I think more so they sound kind of similar.

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<v Speaker 5>But I just really really like it.

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<v Speaker 3>I really like seeing him in something different like a

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<v Speaker 3>TV series, and it's just I haven't seen anything like it.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Of streamers now pump out very similar things in a

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<v Speaker 3>slightly different way. I just haven't seen anything like this.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's called stick Apple TV.

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<v Speaker 5>If you have Apple. Can't recommend it enough.

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<v Speaker 6>My vibe this week is something that I truly cannot

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<v Speaker 6>believe I'm actually vibing.

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<v Speaker 7>It is Pierce Morgan Uncensored.

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<v Speaker 4>Bear with me. I have very strong opinions on Piers Morgan.

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<v Speaker 6>I assume that most people listen to this podcast probably

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<v Speaker 6>have similar opinions on Piers Morgan.

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<v Speaker 5>However, this was with the person who I was shot

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<v Speaker 5>to the top.

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<v Speaker 6>Of my list of celebrity favorites, like he's so far

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<v Speaker 6>in my past basket. It is Prof g Or Scott Galloway.

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<v Speaker 6>I've recommended his Prof Gene Markets podcast before. That's the

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<v Speaker 6>one he does. I kind of said that it was

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<v Speaker 6>like a good early access to the finance well, but

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<v Speaker 6>what I liked about it is that it's for me

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<v Speaker 6>that podcast is a bit of a crossover of like

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<v Speaker 6>pop culture and markets, and I've kind of realized that

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<v Speaker 6>all of these things are super interconnected. And with this

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<v Speaker 6>drama that I'm sure we all heard about to do

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<v Speaker 6>with elong Musk and Trump and America, Like, this is

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<v Speaker 6>the main time that I can think of where I

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<v Speaker 6>think pop culture, finance, and politics has all kind of

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<v Speaker 6>just mished into one.

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<v Speaker 1>The ven diagram is much closer than it used to

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<v Speaker 1>be totally.

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<v Speaker 7>It's like a complete circle at the moment.

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<v Speaker 6>And I was really I guess I was just quite

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<v Speaker 6>fascinated in a really negative way to see the fallout

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<v Speaker 6>of how this happened and kind of see how it's

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<v Speaker 6>impacting so many people, particularly in America at the moment.

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<v Speaker 6>But this debate that happened on Piers Morgan Uncensored, which

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<v Speaker 6>is a YouTube channel. It's titled Musk Derangement Syndrome, Doge

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<v Speaker 6>Legacy Debate Scott Galloway versus Kevin O'Leary. So, Scott Galloway,

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<v Speaker 6>this is prof g that I'm kind of obsessed with.

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<v Speaker 6>He is like a moderate progressive. He does not like

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<v Speaker 6>Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>He often refers to.

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<v Speaker 6>Him as a fucking idiot on his own podcast, and

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<v Speaker 6>he hates Elon mask Well, yeah, he doesn't respect Elon.

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<v Speaker 6>And what I really liked about this kind of debate

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<v Speaker 6>I guess a lot of people in the comments were

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<v Speaker 6>saying that it was the most civilized and thought provoking

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<v Speaker 6>debate that they had seen on Piers Morgan.

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<v Speaker 7>Like often Peers just starts yelling at people and everyone.

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<v Speaker 4>Just talks over the top of each other.

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<v Speaker 5>I watched it.

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<v Speaker 3>Peers was so considered and just let them speak, and

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<v Speaker 3>you could see he was thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, yeah, I agree with that, because I do feel

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<v Speaker 2>like he constantly speaks. He will say something and then

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<v Speaker 2>just constantly railroad by speaking over the top of the

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<v Speaker 2>person and so that they can't argue back at all.

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<v Speaker 1>It's infuriating.

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<v Speaker 6>It was actually trying to think about why that might

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<v Speaker 6>be the case, and I think it's because Scott kind

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<v Speaker 6>of talks their language. He is a white, middle aged,

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<v Speaker 6>very rich man who made all of his money himself.

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<v Speaker 6>He can kind of go toe to toe with them,

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<v Speaker 6>and in a way, I'm like, oh, they actually respect Scott,

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<v Speaker 6>which is kind of misogynistic in nature. So there was

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<v Speaker 6>this one particular point of the interview where Piers Morgan

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<v Speaker 6>was literally speechless.

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<v Speaker 7>He's only a response to it was well, and this

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<v Speaker 7>is what Scott had to say about.

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<v Speaker 8>Elong must somehow we've decided in America that innovation and

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<v Speaker 8>money replaces, or obviates, or excuses depravity. I think one

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<v Speaker 8>of the wonderful things about being an American, and quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 8>for me, what it means to be a man, and

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<v Speaker 8>what I try to teach my boys is the whole

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<v Speaker 8>point of prosperity is that's that you can protect people.

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<v Speaker 8>And I think the two of you are more impressed

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<v Speaker 8>with mister muss than I am. I think if somebody

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<v Speaker 8>is making Nazi salutes, if somebody is being sued concurrently

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<v Speaker 8>by two women for soul custody of their child because

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<v Speaker 8>that person has not spent any time with that child,

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<v Speaker 8>when someone is so severely addicted to drugs they can't

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<v Speaker 8>get their together to show up to the White House

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<v Speaker 8>without looking exceptionally high, I don't think that's the right

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<v Speaker 8>role model for young men. So what I would ask

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<v Speaker 8>to all of us is, look at what money has

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<v Speaker 8>done to us. That if someone can land a rocket

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<v Speaker 8>on metal scissors or create a great av he's a genius.

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<v Speaker 8>He's the wealthiest man in the world. Does that mean

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<v Speaker 8>we should excuse depravity? Does that mean, unlike Bill Gates,

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<v Speaker 8>he's not using his billions to help people. I think

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<v Speaker 8>this is an individual who has literally come off the tracks,

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<v Speaker 8>who was rapidly addicted to drugs, and is using his

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<v Speaker 8>immense power to get people elected, and that too many

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<v Speaker 8>of us excuse what is abhorrent behavior. I think his

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<v Speaker 8>legacy is not going to be an ev or putting

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<v Speaker 8>rockets into space. I think it's going to be unnecessary death, disease,

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<v Speaker 8>and disability of the world's most vulnerable. That is not

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<v Speaker 8>what it means to be an innovator. It's not what

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<v Speaker 8>it means to be an American. It's not what it

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<v Speaker 8>means to be a man.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I watched it, and I thought it's the most

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<v Speaker 3>calm and educated takedown of somebody that I'd ever seen.

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<v Speaker 5>I really enjoyed it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's about forty five minutes on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 6>If you're into either finance, politics, or kind of the

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<v Speaker 6>pop culture crossover like I am. I really really enjoyed it,

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<v Speaker 6>even though I hate adding to the views that PE's Morgan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but it was.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it was actually quite an interesting and level debate.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought, all right, let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 5>Question number one.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a story here, girls, that's been really weighing

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<v Speaker 3>on me, and I'm hoping to get your thoughts on it.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me take you back to when I was born.

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<v Speaker 4>A long story.

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<v Speaker 3>I was adopted at just six weeks old, and right

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<v Speaker 3>from the start, the adoption agency told my parents something surprising.

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<v Speaker 3>They mentioned that my biological parents had also given birth

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<v Speaker 3>to a baby boy two years before me, and that

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<v Speaker 3>he too had been adopted. The agency asked if my

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<v Speaker 3>parents would be interested in meeting him, my biological brother,

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<v Speaker 3>and of course, my adoptive parents said yes, absolutely So

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<v Speaker 3>from a really young age, my brother and I have

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<v Speaker 3>been very close. We've celebrated birthdays together and grown up

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<v Speaker 3>from that unique connection. Fast forward to now, we're both

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<v Speaker 3>the same stage of life, starting the families.

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<v Speaker 5>Of our own.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a whole new chapter and it's made me start

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about meeting my biological parents. I've wondered if I

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<v Speaker 3>should make an attempt to meet them and try to

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<v Speaker 3>learn more about my roots. Here's where it gets tricky.

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<v Speaker 3>My brother has absolutely no interest in meeting our biological parents.

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<v Speaker 3>He's content with the life that he has built and

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't want to stir the pot. So here's my dilemma.

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<v Speaker 3>Do I tell him that I'm planning on meeting our

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<v Speaker 3>biological parents.

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<v Speaker 5>Should I respect his wishes.

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<v Speaker 3>Not to pursue it, or do I just go ahead

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<v Speaker 3>and meet them without mentioning it to him. I'm torn,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm curious. What would you guys do in my shoes?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's really tricky for us to unpack this

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<v Speaker 2>when we've never been in the situation of the yearning

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<v Speaker 2>for knowing what was I guess, like the biology behind

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<v Speaker 2>who we are. But I also think that if you

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<v Speaker 2>have those feelings, you're absolutely allowed to pursue them. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>on one hand, yes, respect your brother's wishes that he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to, but on the other hand, he needs

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<v Speaker 2>to respect your wishes that you do want to your

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<v Speaker 2>individual people. You live individual lives, and you've both had

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<v Speaker 2>a similar experience through adoption, but you've had your own

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<v Speaker 2>unique experiences as well. I would say that it's a

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<v Speaker 2>conversation with your brother and say that you are going

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<v Speaker 2>to pursue this, but you respect his decision and unless

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<v Speaker 2>he asks or wants to know information, you're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to share it with him.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that that is probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to be quite hard for you because when you

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<v Speaker 2>find out you're going to want to you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk to someone about it. Naturally, you're probably

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<v Speaker 2>going to want to talk to him about it. But

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<v Speaker 2>he may not be the right person in this instance

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<v Speaker 2>for you to speak about because that might be breaching

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<v Speaker 2>his boundaries. So I would say, go ahead and do it,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and seek out what it is that you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking for, but also respect that that's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be something that everybody wants, you know, and that that's

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<v Speaker 2>not what your brother wants.

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<v Speaker 5>It's so tricky.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with everything you said, Laura, Like this is

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<v Speaker 3>your life and you've made the decision that you want

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<v Speaker 3>to know about it, and that's totally fine. Like this

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<v Speaker 3>is your history and your parents, and you're allowed to

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<v Speaker 3>do whatever it is you want to do. You love

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<v Speaker 3>your brother and you respect him, and that's why you

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<v Speaker 3>are even considering, maybe not following your passion of finding

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<v Speaker 3>out your roots, because you do love him and care

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<v Speaker 3>about him, and I think that that's really amazing. It's

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<v Speaker 3>tricky because it's pretty easy for us to say, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, you respect each other's wishes.

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<v Speaker 5>He doesn't have to know. That's his choice, and you

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<v Speaker 5>can go and find out that's your choice. It's tricky

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<v Speaker 5>because it's opening a can of worms.

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<v Speaker 3>And like you said, Laura, whether or not you try

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<v Speaker 3>so hard to say, I'm never going to mention anything,

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<v Speaker 3>there is a chance that maybe you find them and

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<v Speaker 3>form a relationship with them, and they become a part

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<v Speaker 3>of your life, and then by default, they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>eventually be a part of your brother's life, even if

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<v Speaker 3>he still chooses not to. They might end up at

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<v Speaker 3>a family event, or you know, they might want to

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<v Speaker 3>have some kind of contact. They might ask you to

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<v Speaker 3>reach out to him. You don't know what is going

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<v Speaker 3>to happen. You might meet them, And I say this

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<v Speaker 3>with full respect. I know people this has happened to

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<v Speaker 3>This happened to my mum. Actually she wasn't adopted, but

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<v Speaker 3>her dad left when she was only five and she

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<v Speaker 3>never saw him again and she ended up tracking him down.

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<v Speaker 3>But you might meet them and find them and they

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<v Speaker 3>want nothing to do with him, Like you do, not

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<v Speaker 3>know how it's going to end up. But yeah, it

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<v Speaker 3>just sounds like you have made the decision and you're

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about it, and I can't imagine what that's like.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't imagine that that feeling's going to go away.

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<v Speaker 3>Once you have that curiosity and desire to know where

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<v Speaker 3>you came from.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think that's going to go away.

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<v Speaker 3>So I do think you need to have a combo

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<v Speaker 3>with your brother and say, this is the track that

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<v Speaker 3>I want to go down, and you let me know

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<v Speaker 3>what your boundaries are or what you want to know

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<v Speaker 3>if you want to know if I've found them, And

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<v Speaker 3>then in a way, I guess you're going to have

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<v Speaker 3>to respect that. If he says, go for it, but

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<v Speaker 3>tell me nothing, you're going to have to do your

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<v Speaker 3>best to really do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be so interested to know whether you have the

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<v Speaker 2>same biological dad as well, or it's just the same

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<v Speaker 2>biological mom, because it could be different dads, same mom.

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<v Speaker 3>They've said biological parents, so I think they might be

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<v Speaker 3>from I mean that's.

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<v Speaker 5>What she said. She said it a few times and

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<v Speaker 5>she says biological parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, gosh, it would be fascinating, right, Like you

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<v Speaker 2>would want a question and want to know why, like, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if we have the same biological parents, why did you

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<v Speaker 2>give two children up for adoption in two years, like

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<v Speaker 2>two babies. It's not like it was two kids at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time. It was one baby, and then two

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<v Speaker 2>years later you had another baby, and you gave.

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<v Speaker 1>That baby away as well.

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<v Speaker 2>It happens a lot, I know it does, but I

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<v Speaker 2>guess like usually there is some sort of reasoning as

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<v Speaker 2>to what that family is going through, all the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>why they're unable to or unwilling to, you know, provide.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that there is a way that you

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<v Speaker 2>can navigate this without dragging your brother into it if

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<v Speaker 2>he has explicitly asked not to be. And the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why I say that is from a very very well

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<v Speaker 2>I should say, different, personal experience, but also I think

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<v Speaker 2>it can be related to this. My stepdad was out

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<v Speaker 2>of the picture, so my stepdad my mom's second husband,

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<v Speaker 2>not the one who passed away recently that I talk

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<v Speaker 2>about and talk about with the.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolute love and fondness. Neil.

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<v Speaker 2>My mum was remarried when I was young to my stepdad,

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<v Speaker 2>who was really horrible and quite abusive, and I've spoken

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<v Speaker 2>about it before on the pod. But the good thing

0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:57.199
<v Speaker 2>that came out of that relationship was that we had

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<v Speaker 2>my little brother, Matt. So Matt is quite a bit

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<v Speaker 2>young than me, and Alex was out of the picture

0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.480
<v Speaker 2>when Matt was born. And now the thing is, Matt

0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.080
<v Speaker 2>grew up not really ever knowing the intricacies of the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that we all experienced as kids growing up with

0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.240
<v Speaker 2>his dad in that household. He was too little, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he was, well, he was really little, and there was

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely no reason to tell him because Alex was gone.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't in the picture anymore. So Matt grew up

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<v Speaker 2>completely not knowing his dad, I think. So he grew

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<v Speaker 2>up not knowing his dad, and I grew up very

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<v Speaker 2>adamant that I didn't want him to know his dad,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was very verbal about it, which in retrospect

0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.720
<v Speaker 2>probably wasn't my place to be, Like, it wasn't my

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<v Speaker 2>place to tell him that he shouldn't have a relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with his dad if he wanted to seek it out,

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<v Speaker 2>But I was like, I don't want any reason for

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<v Speaker 2>him to come back into my life at all. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's where I was coming from with that conversation. I

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<v Speaker 2>found out years and years later, when I was in

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<v Speaker 2>my mid twenties or probably early thirties. No, actually, I

0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:57.760
<v Speaker 2>found out when I was in my early thirties that

0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.520
<v Speaker 2>my brother had sought out a relationship with him, and

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<v Speaker 2>my brother never told me so for years he had

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<v Speaker 2>connection with his stepdad, sorry with his biological dad and

0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:10.080
<v Speaker 2>my stepdad, and I would have hated. I would have

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<v Speaker 2>hated knowing that he was doing that at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm really grateful to some respects that my brother

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<v Speaker 2>didn't tell me. I don't know if it was because

0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:20.800
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't be bothered with the drama that it might

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<v Speaker 2>have caused. But at the same time, that's his journey

0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:25.720
<v Speaker 2>and that was his path to walk, and he needed

0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:29.040
<v Speaker 2>to either a close that chapter or b discover what

0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:31.320
<v Speaker 2>it was and who he was and where he came from.

0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:33.720
<v Speaker 2>But he managed to navigate that without me being a

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<v Speaker 2>part of it, and so I do think it's possible.

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<v Speaker 3>That's interesting because I mean, I haven't been in the

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<v Speaker 3>situation again, But it's interesting because when you were talking

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<v Speaker 3>about that, I didn't think that's what you're going to say.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you were going to say you were mad

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<v Speaker 3>that you didn't know. And that's maybe an indication that

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<v Speaker 3>it's so dependent on the individual.

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<v Speaker 5>Your brother, Oh, we don't know him.

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<v Speaker 3>He might be mad if he finds out you've done

0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:56.439
<v Speaker 3>it behind his back, or he might be grateful that

0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:58.040
<v Speaker 3>you haven't told him, which is why I think you

0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:00.440
<v Speaker 3>just had the conversation and be upfront and just say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>if I choose to go down the path of finding them, like,

0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:05.639
<v Speaker 3>don't say I'm going to maybe just say, if I

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<v Speaker 3>choose to go down this path, can I just get

0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:09.800
<v Speaker 3>a feel of the room, Like do you want to

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<v Speaker 3>know at all? Or do your totally yeah, and just

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<v Speaker 3>have the conversation. When my mom tracked her dad down,

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<v Speaker 3>like I said, he left when she was like five

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<v Speaker 3>or under, just walked out and never came back. And

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<v Speaker 3>she tracked him down when she was maybe close to forty,

0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:26.760
<v Speaker 3>like she was a grown adult, and they decided her

0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:29.959
<v Speaker 3>and sisters decided that hey, let's see who he is.

0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:33.520
<v Speaker 3>And she met him and she regrets ever meeting him.

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<v Speaker 3>She was like, there was zero point he didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>an interest in me. Then he doesn't have an interest

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<v Speaker 3>in us.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, like you know.

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<v Speaker 5>And they needed to do that for themselves and their

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<v Speaker 5>own closure.

0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:43.760
<v Speaker 3>And it could have gone the other way. It could

0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.000
<v Speaker 3>have been amazing and they could have had a relationship.

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:47.800
<v Speaker 3>Didn't pan out that way for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes these sort of reconciliations or meetings or finding the

0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.960
<v Speaker 2>answers to your biological parents sometimes they have really beautiful results,

0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.600
<v Speaker 2>and we've definitely seen those on the podcast before we've

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<v Speaker 2>spoken to people who.

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<v Speaker 1>Have had that.

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<v Speaker 2>But also sometimes there's a reason why that person wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>in your life in the first place, and it's a

0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 2>disappointing result, but that in and of itself can be

0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:10.679
<v Speaker 2>closure that someone might need or want. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a tricky one.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love to hear this one as an aftermath,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly if you decide to go down the route. If

0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:19.120
<v Speaker 3>you do, do you find them, how does it go?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you have the conversation with your brother or if

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.320
<v Speaker 3>you're listening now and you've been in a similar situation,

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<v Speaker 3>just write. If you're comfortable, you can say anonymous, but

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<v Speaker 3>write in and let us know how it went for you,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's not a situation that a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>are in. So yeah, I would be interested to hear

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 3>how it went for you, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Question two, I would love to know your thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>gift registries for a baby shower. I have a lovely

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<v Speaker 2>friend who has created a gift registry for an upcoming

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<v Speaker 2>baby shower. It has a variety of different items and

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<v Speaker 2>different prices, so there's some cheaper ones but also if

0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:54.480
<v Speaker 2>you're wanting to get something more expensive, you could go

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<v Speaker 2>in with friends. I know that this word gets thrown

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<v Speaker 2>around a lot, but it's given me the ick. I

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<v Speaker 2>totally get wanting to receive items that you need or want,

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<v Speaker 2>but it seems incredibly impersonal. With this registry, you can

0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 2>get the gift directly delivered to the address. I'm not

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 2>entirely sure how it works, but you might not even

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<v Speaker 2>know who it has been gifted from on delivery. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you think of gift registries for baby showers? Am

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<v Speaker 2>I just being a sour puss?

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<v Speaker 3>I have mixed feelings about gift registries.

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<v Speaker 5>This might and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>We're all looking at each other in the room, so

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I might say something's about to offend someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's two people who have gift well not gift regiscees,

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<v Speaker 2>but kids in the room, so have been through the

0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Processness is our incredible video editor has just had another baby.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to get your take on this as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Mess Yeah, and also myself.

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<v Speaker 5>Gift registries, and I'm talking about not even just babies.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I'm gonna talk about a gift registry obviously,

0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 3>it's really common for weddings. I personally would never personally,

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<v Speaker 3>but I understand a registry. I understand the idea. Back

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 3>in the day, you used to get presents for weddings

0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.359
<v Speaker 3>and babies and things like that, because you know, for

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<v Speaker 3>a wedding, people didn't live together or create a life

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 3>together before they got married back in the day, so

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:07.960
<v Speaker 3>the idea of presence were like, you're starting your new

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:08.440
<v Speaker 3>life together.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's some saucepans for the kitchen.

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 3>Here's your dowry, not even a dowry, but it was

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:14.680
<v Speaker 3>like to help you set up a life. But these days,

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:16.720
<v Speaker 3>people have lived their lives, they're living together, they've got

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:19.160
<v Speaker 3>kids before they get married, and they're same with babies.

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 5>Like people are getting everything that they need.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, traditionally a dowry was like a big

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:25.760
<v Speaker 2>wooden case that was filled with linen. It wasn't just money,

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:29.000
<v Speaker 2>it was like linen, it was tablecloths, it was cheese

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<v Speaker 2>knives and bread and knives.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Also, I don't want a cheese knife.

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<v Speaker 1>Ash.

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:36.440
<v Speaker 2>My career was actually so nice because I remember growing

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 2>up with my grandparents and they would have so many

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:40.880
<v Speaker 2>things in their house, like the bread knife that they had,

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 2>which was an exceptional bread knife. It was a wedding

0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:46.440
<v Speaker 2>gift I received, and now my mum has that red knife.

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:48.199
<v Speaker 2>But there were so many things in their house that

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 2>they use up until very old age that were all

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 2>wedding gifts that they'd received.

0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 4>How do you feel if we got you a bread knife?

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<v Speaker 4>I'd love it.

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<v Speaker 3>My knife's are blunt, all right? No no, no, no

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:00.879
<v Speaker 3>no no. I'd what I what I was for me,

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<v Speaker 3>And it might be personal even without a registry. I

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:05.919
<v Speaker 3>don't ask for things. I hate asking for things. I

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 3>don't feel comfortable with people giving me stuff. Maybe it

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 3>would feel different if I was setting up a life

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 3>with someone.

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<v Speaker 5>And it doesn't mean I wouldn't appreciate it.

0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 3>But the idea for me of going online and putting

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.160
<v Speaker 3>things together and then sending it out to people and saying, hey,

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:19.720
<v Speaker 3>send me this.

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<v Speaker 5>Stuff, I couldn't do it.

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:23.480
<v Speaker 3>But I understand it because if you know you're gonna

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:26.199
<v Speaker 3>get gifts anyway. And I say this because when you

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 3>have a baby shower, everyone knows you're gonna bring something

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 3>for the baby.

0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:30.520
<v Speaker 1>That's the whole point of a baby sit, the whole.

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 3>Point I understand where you're like Okay, cool, if we're

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:35.640
<v Speaker 3>gonna do this, this is the stuff that I haven't

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 3>got yet. This is the stuff I need because nobody

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 3>wants to get ten of the same thing and nothing

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:43.159
<v Speaker 3>of what they need, and I one hundred percent get it.

0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:46.560
<v Speaker 3>But I do think registries you know who it's from,

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.240
<v Speaker 3>unless you put it's anonymous like you say, hey, this

0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 3>is from me, like Sally.

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Or because you tick it off.

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:54.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, once it's ticked off, it goes through to the

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:56.919
<v Speaker 2>person via now that that's the thing you're purchasing. But

0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm just putting wet nurse and night nanny or my

0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:01.879
<v Speaker 2>GIF registry. If anyone wants to bring me either of

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:02.560
<v Speaker 2>those two.

0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm cool with it. Full time nanny, full time night nanny.

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:07.199
<v Speaker 6>I've got an experience about this that I feel like

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 6>some people might relate to. So obviously I'm not a

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.840
<v Speaker 6>very organized person. We have some friends a little while

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.920
<v Speaker 6>ago they got married. They had a gift registry, and

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.160
<v Speaker 6>I knew that they had a gift registry, so I was.

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:19.679
<v Speaker 7>Like, cool, cook, cool, We'll deal with that when I

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 7>have to.

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:22.439
<v Speaker 6>So the day before the wedding comes and went to

0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 6>go on the gift registry and all of the ones

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 6>that were like the price point that I was thinking

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:30.919
<v Speaker 6>that God spend, they were all gone and so they

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.560
<v Speaker 6>were only they're really and I was like, oh.

0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 7>Too hard, You're getting a card with.

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 6>The money I need an ATM.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I feel slightly differently to you, Britt, and it's

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 2>to be fair and to be clear, I've never had

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 2>a gift registry before. I've never done it for a

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 2>baby shower. But I do think you have to keep

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:52.679
<v Speaker 2>in mind that you are in a position where you

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 2>have a great income, you have a great job, and

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:56.159
<v Speaker 2>you're able to buy a lot of things that you

0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 2>want for yourself. So if you if you had a baby,

0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:01.199
<v Speaker 2>you would be fine, Like you would be able to

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:04.119
<v Speaker 2>support and set up your nursery and everything in a

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 2>totally comfortable way. There are a lot of people out

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 2>there who don't have that luxury, and having a gift

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:13.439
<v Speaker 2>registry is so incredibly helpful. It stops them from having

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 2>three thousand fucking muslin wraps and not a single baby bottle,

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean. So I think for

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>some people it actually has a really great purpose. It

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 2>means that they get really functional items that are absolutely

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 2>going to be used and it can help support them

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.399
<v Speaker 2>because having a kid and needing a lot of the

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:33.240
<v Speaker 2>stuff if you're starting from scratch, can be overwhelming and expensive.

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that there is an absolute purpose to it.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't offend me. I understand why people do it

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<v Speaker 2>if they're organized enough to and I do also get

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>why give some people the ick because it takes the

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 2>personal element out of it. But I think sometimes if

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 2>you know that someone's going to get you something anyway,

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 2>it is a transactional affair, and so it just makes

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 2>it worthwhile for everyone in that situation.

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 3>It's so practical for baby showings, it's absolutely but the

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<v Speaker 3>wedding thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The wedding one, yeah, I don't think you need it

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 1>for a wedding, just give money.

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<v Speaker 7>I also wonder if.

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 4>It's more personal than money, do you know what I mean?

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:07.120
<v Speaker 4>Like a gift registry.

0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 6>At least it's a gift and at least you can

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 6>kind of go, well, that's what that person got me.

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 2>And also there's multiple ways you can do a gift registry.

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 2>You can also you can ticket. You can ticket and

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 2>have it delivered straight to their person's house, which is

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 2>obviously for efficiency.

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Or you can have it delivered to your house.

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 2>You can wrap it and you can take it to

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the baby shower like that's also an option.

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 7>But you can just text them and say that's from me.

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 1>That's and you can text them and say that's from me.

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>But I would wonder whether the person who wrote this

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:37.000
<v Speaker 2>in had had children themselves or not, because I do

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 2>think you end up with a lot of stuff you

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 2>don't use. Like we're having our third there are baby

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 2>things in the cupboard that I have never used, and

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>the first time they will get used is for this kid, because.

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>We just had too much of the same stuff.

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 5>But also, you don't have to get anything from the registry.

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 5>You can get a gift and write a card and

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 5>send it like you don't have to do it.

0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 2>If you want to buy a blanket from May and Moo,

0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 2>go nuts because they're really beautiful. They're handmaid and you'll

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 2>never find nicer than that for avapy shower gift.

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 1>There you go, There you go.

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 4>Swipey Jeffaco.

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Now we don't have Tony May on this episode, but

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 1>we do have me and recovered.

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 5>Okay, next question.

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<v Speaker 3>We haven't had a question like this before, but I

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 3>found it interesting because I've obviously lived on my own

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 3>a long time, and Laura has issues.

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 4>So I have recently bought a.

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:20.959
<v Speaker 5>House with my partner thirty and thirty.

0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay, stages are important. Congratulations, that's huge news. We've been

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 3>living here for a few Yeah, we've been living here

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 3>for a few months. Until now, I have lived in

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 3>sharehouses with family, et cetera. I have realized I haven't

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 3>had to spend many nights alone. When I do, I

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 3>get quite nervous. And I'm talking about safety wise, being

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 3>at home by myself.

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 5>I've traveled for work and stuff.

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 3>I've gone on holidays on my own in hotels and apartments,

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 3>and I don't feel scared when I do that, but

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 3>I do when I'm at my house alone at nighttime.

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 3>Our house is like an outer older suburb, which is

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 3>quite safe, but when my partner occasionally goes away, which

0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 3>is once every few months, I feel on edge. I

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 3>love the idea of a night to myself, kicking back,

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 3>watching TV, eating what I want, but in reality, I'm

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 3>nervous and very alert to every single noise. My question

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 3>is do other women feel like this? And what do

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 3>you do to feel more confident at home on your own?

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Just don't be at home on your own, moving with your.

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 4>Mother in law, Well, you might not have that option.

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 3>Have children, would like Laura, I can Laura's like, what's alone?

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Honestly though, I can relate to this so deeply, and

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 2>I wish I could tell you that I had a solution.

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 2>I have incredibly bad anxiety about being home alone by myself,

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 2>to the point that when I was in my twenties,

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I would sleep with a knife in my bed. So

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 2>like that is psychotic, I know, but I did that.

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 2>I was genuinely petrified. I would sleep with the lights on.

0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 2>I would check every door. I would go and check

0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 2>the oven like five times to make sure that the

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 2>house wasn't going to burn down. I would check the windows,

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I would check in cupboards, I would check under beds.

0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 2>Like I still have a lot of those traits, and

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I know that that's not normal. I've definitely spoke to

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 2>people about it, even just recently when we went away

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 2>to Bali. I was staying in a hotel room by myself.

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 2>My sister was only across the hallway, but every night

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 2>before i'd go to bed, I check every cupboard, I

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 2>check under every bed, I check every door.

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I still do that.

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 2>I physically cannot go to sleep without going through a

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 2>bit of a routine and checking. The problem is, though,

0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 2>is that And maybe I'll be incorrect in saying this

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 2>once again into information that anxiety begets anxiety around this.

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 2>The more you do those things, the more that you

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:34.000
<v Speaker 2>give yourself anxiety. So the more that you check, the

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 2>more that you then have to continue to check, and

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>it kind of reinforces that you're unsafe. I am rarely

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 2>alone now, rarely alone because I do live with my

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>mother in law and I have my kids with me

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 2>all the time. And it sounds stupid my kids can't

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 2>protect me, but even just having them in the house,

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 2>I find a comfort because when I'm completely alone, I

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 2>find my brain gets very carried away with itself, to

0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 2>the point where when Matt was in the jungle, when

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 2>he would go away and do other things, like she'ld

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.480
<v Speaker 2>go and stay it at Matt's sister's house, I would,

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 2>And this is probably why my kids have a problemly

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 2>sleeping there in bed.

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 1>I would get.

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Lola or Marley and I would put them in bed

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 2>with me so that I wasn't sleeping on my own,

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 2>purely because you.

0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 9>Can sacrifice them first sacrifice them, run allow a one

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 9>Marley's lighter so I could just stroller like a bird

0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 9>at the introder.

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 2>No, it was so that they were close to me,

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 2>so there's something happened, I could get out of the

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 2>house faster. Like I know, it sounds crazy, but it

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 2>is probably slightly linked to a tendencies where you like

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:39.239
<v Speaker 2>hyper fixate on things, because in my twenties it was

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 2>really really bad. And I do think the only thing

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 2>that I have come across and the only thing that

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 2>has definitely resonated with me in the conversations I've had

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 2>with people, is that you really have to force yourself

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 2>not to do the things that you want to do,

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 2>as in like when you know the door is locked,

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 2>don't go and check the door again. When you know

0:33:57.760 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>it's just something that's outside, you don't have to go

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 2>and check all the things that are making you feel anxious.

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 2>And every time that you're able to withstand I guess,

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 2>like scratching that anxiety itch that you have that makes

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 2>you feel nervous, it also helps to reassure you because

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:12.800
<v Speaker 2>then nothing bad happens, So then you have this small

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 2>sense of reassurance that okay, well that wasn't anything that

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 2>I needed to be worried about. And I have control

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 2>over these feelings, and so that I think helps a lot.

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:23.720
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, it's not abnormal to be at home alone,

0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 3>especially as a woman, and feel a little bit anxious

0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 3>or nervous.

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 1>And we also live in a.

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:30.359
<v Speaker 3>World where we're like bombarded with bad, terrible news all

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 3>the time, and you're always hearing about something I'm breaking

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 3>or a robbery or whatever it is.

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:36.359
<v Speaker 5>Mine has changed a lot.

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:38.720
<v Speaker 3>I've been on my own for so many years now,

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 3>and I was always fine, and then somebody broke into

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:45.399
<v Speaker 3>my home when I was in the house, and that

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 3>just changed everything. I after that started having a lot

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 3>of anxiety about it. Didn't sleep well. I had a

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:53.879
<v Speaker 3>knife under my bed because I was often alone at

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:56.400
<v Speaker 3>that house as well. And so that was for a

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:58.879
<v Speaker 3>couple of years, and then I once I moved out

0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 3>of that house, I started to come good again.

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 5>But things that have helped me. If you know that

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:05.279
<v Speaker 5>you are going to.

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 3>Feel unsafe, you can very easily get so many different

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 3>levels of security cameras, things that are gonna alert you

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 3>with someone if there is emotion outside, you can look

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 3>from the outside in like there are so many different levels.

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 3>Some are super expensive, some are cheap. I have cameras

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 3>at my home. If anyone's thinking about breaking in, don't.

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:27.240
<v Speaker 3>I have cameras that really helped me. I lock my doors.

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:30.320
<v Speaker 3>This is a trick that they say for people like you, Laura,

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 3>that were just saying that you walk back and double check.

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 3>If you voice out loud what you've done, you are

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 3>more likely to remember that you've done it and feel

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:40.800
<v Speaker 3>okay with it. So if you are constantly checking that

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 3>you've locked your door, when you lock it, you say

0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:46.360
<v Speaker 3>like two to three times, I've locked the front door,

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm okay, I've locked the back door. You just say it,

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 3>I've locked the front door, I've locked the front door.

0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 3>I've locked the front door. You walk back, and you

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 3>are more likely to remember and feel safe that you've

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 3>done it than if you don't voice it out loud.

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 3>And it's just a trick that you can do that

0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 3>for anything. It helps you to remember any thing, like

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 3>it's just using a different sense. The other thing that

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 3>helped me. I don't know if you've got this. I

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 3>don't know if you're able to get this. When I

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 3>got Delilah, like having a pet, at home.

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Then you're not alone. That's the thing, right.

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 4>It even just.

0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 5>Brings a comfort.

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:18.959
<v Speaker 3>And Delilah doesn't bark ever, but she will if there's

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.439
<v Speaker 3>something outside. So if she does, I'm like, cool, there's

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 3>either a possum or someone's about to break in.

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I think that this is incredibly relatable. I even know likeness.

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 2>This is something I refer to you now twice in

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 2>this episode. Nas and I. If anyone doesn't know, we

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 2>live together for a really long time. So Nessa's been

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.279
<v Speaker 2>my girlfriend. She's how I ended up getting busted in

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 2>the first place. Long backstory, We've known each other for

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:41.320
<v Speaker 2>over a decade. I know that that's something you struggle

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:42.880
<v Speaker 2>with when you're at home by yourself.

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:44.879
<v Speaker 1>Do you have any techniques that have helped you.

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 10>Well, it's different for me, So for you guys, it

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.759
<v Speaker 10>sounds like it's more of a rational fear of like

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 10>things that could actually get to whereas mine is just

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 10>pure anxiety.

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:54.799
<v Speaker 2>So no, mine is irrational as well, like checking the

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 2>oven four times to make sure it's off, like it's.

0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 5>She hasn't gone four years?

0:36:58.120 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 4>Why would that be?

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Like, do you know what I mean? Mine is totally irrational.

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:04.360
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, Well, mine's pure anxiety and I've been to therapy

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.479
<v Speaker 10>for it. It is for childhood trauma. We've dug deep

0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 10>over a lot of years, and a really good tip

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 10>my therapist gave to me, and having kids has helped

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:14.399
<v Speaker 10>for me because, like you, I'm not alone at night

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 10>per se anymore. But a way that she would tell

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 10>me to comfort myself, She's like, picture yourself as a child,

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 10>and how would you comfort that child if that child

0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:27.279
<v Speaker 10>was scared? And so I know it sounds a bit

0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 10>we wound, a bit silly, and you know, talking to

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 10>yourself like your child sounds silly, but comforting a child

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 10>who is scared is such an instinctive thing to do.

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 10>So then giving yourself that same empathy, and you know,

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 10>trying to calm yourself down from I would have panic

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 10>attacks and things, so I'd have to like bring my

0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:47.800
<v Speaker 10>levels down, and you know, speaking to yourself like a child, Yeah,

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 10>as silly as it sounds, can help.

0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:51.319
<v Speaker 3>So you do you like we'll sit down and just

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 3>talk out loud and say comforting things.

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, yeah, whatever I need, because I'll get really tight

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 10>in the chest and start just over nothing, not even

0:37:57.640 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 10>like I won't hear a noise or something. I just

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 10>all of a sudden, I feel it dawns on me.

0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 10>And yeah, it gets better with a pet of children,

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 10>but mostly therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I would agree. All right, next question, it's

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:15.439
<v Speaker 2>a cheating question. Firstly, I'm in complete shock that I'm

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:16.279
<v Speaker 2>in this situation.

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that sucks.

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 2>My husband and father of our three kids told me

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:25.279
<v Speaker 2>the day before Mother's Day what a fucking jerk via

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:28.359
<v Speaker 2>text while he was away from work that he got

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:31.440
<v Speaker 2>blackout drunk and had sex with someone while on a

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:33.800
<v Speaker 2>night out for a friend's birthday.

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 3>Or to catch imagine just imagine cheating. But then being like,

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:38.400
<v Speaker 3>I'll just text her until I'll text her the day

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:40.399
<v Speaker 3>before Mother's Day when I'm not home one Mother's Day.

0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Ah man. He says he doesn't remember and only confessed

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.840
<v Speaker 2>because I bluffed I had evidence other than a hectic

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:51.040
<v Speaker 2>thrush infection and a strong hunch I really didn't have

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 2>any evidence to be honest, and says he is ashamed

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:55.439
<v Speaker 2>and sorry, etc.

0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Etc. Of all other things.

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not angry, and unfortunately understand where some of this

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of behavior, like drinking to such excess comes from.

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:06.279
<v Speaker 1>He has childhood trauma.

0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 2>But I am devastated we had a beautiful relationship, a

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 2>wonderful life, and it feels like it's all covered in

0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 2>shit now. So first question, will this feeling of sadness

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 2>and shit covered relationship fade? Second question, do I have

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:22.880
<v Speaker 2>to come up with a list of demands, boundaries, changes

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:25.200
<v Speaker 2>that he needs to meet because that feels like a

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of hard work. Is it his responsibility to come

0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:31.319
<v Speaker 2>up with such parameters? And thirdly, do I have to

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.280
<v Speaker 2>tell people? I am worried my close friends and family

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.239
<v Speaker 2>will hate him beyond repair if I tell them, but

0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 2>also don't want to bear the load myself. Is the

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 2>relief of support worth the inevitable hate towards him for

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 2>the sake of our lives and our relationship?

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 5>Oh?

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:49.840
<v Speaker 3>This is I mean, there are so many questions in this. Firstly,

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:52.279
<v Speaker 3>there is three yeah, yeah, but there's so many paths

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:55.040
<v Speaker 3>to it, Like there's childhood trauma, there's obviously some sort

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.719
<v Speaker 3>of an addiction to alcohol the way he told you.

0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:01.120
<v Speaker 5>Then all of your questions. Firstly, you're going through this.

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.800
<v Speaker 3>I love that you're not angry, like maybe there's something

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 3>in that that you're not pulling yourself apart about it,

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:09.080
<v Speaker 3>But you're obviously absolutely devastated, as you should be. He's

0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 3>your husband and you have children together, and he's done

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:13.160
<v Speaker 3>the wrong thing.

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 5>He only confessed because you got it out of him.

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:16.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you entrapped him.

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:17.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 5>And I wonder why you're not angry.

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:21.840
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if it's because in a way it doesn't

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 3>come You've said you're shocked, but I feel like maybe

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:27.360
<v Speaker 3>this hasn't come as a surprise, like you're almost like okay, cool,

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.200
<v Speaker 3>like not shocked that shocks that has happened.

0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I think also probably the level of remorse that he's

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:37.000
<v Speaker 2>showing is what makes you go, Okay, well that was

0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:39.799
<v Speaker 2>really hurtful, but you know you're staying. She knows, she

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:42.319
<v Speaker 2>said this person is not leaving her husband right now,

0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 2>So that's not what I just want to make it

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 2>clear that is not the advice that she is seeking,

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:48.000
<v Speaker 2>and so we're not gonna sit here.

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 3>I never say that and tell you to leave your

0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:52.560
<v Speaker 3>partner for this. Our advice is never that anyway, Well, sorry,

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:53.319
<v Speaker 3>I shouldn't say ours.

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 5>I don't want to take you.

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:58.040
<v Speaker 3>My advice generally speaking, isn't always just throwing the towel,

0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:01.080
<v Speaker 3>because I don't believe that it all is the answer.

0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 3>There is always so much to every single situation. You

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:08.200
<v Speaker 3>are definitely sympathetic to his childhood, and I think that's

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 3>why this isn't as hurtful for you, maybe as it

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 3>would be if he didn't have quite a troubled childhood.

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.360
<v Speaker 5>But that's not an excuse for behavior.

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.719
<v Speaker 3>That is, it's a reason, but it's not an excuse,

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:22.759
<v Speaker 3>and that is something that he definitely needs to be

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 3>working on and maybe he didn't.

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.880
<v Speaker 5>Realize how bad it was until he has gone and

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 5>done this.

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.920
<v Speaker 3>It's not your responsibility to come up with the parameters

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 3>of saying you need to do this, this and this,

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 3>this is the boundary. Whilst it's not your responsibility, you

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 3>still do need to put boundaries in place and have

0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:43.319
<v Speaker 3>that conversation now that it has all come out his

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:45.920
<v Speaker 3>behavior that he has a problem that he obviously drinks

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:48.720
<v Speaker 3>to black out. That is not normal. It's not okay.

0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 3>It's not normally not okay when you're not in a relationship.

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:54.399
<v Speaker 3>It's not normally okay in a relationship. He definitely needs

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 3>to go and seek help to work out why he's

0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 3>doing it and try and fix the problem, because you

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 3>can't just you're a band aid on something. Like you

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 3>need to go back to the source. He's got issues

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:05.759
<v Speaker 3>that he needs to go and get help with, and

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:08.760
<v Speaker 3>that is coming into your life and your world and

0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.319
<v Speaker 3>your relationship and your children and your house, which is

0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 3>not okay. But you do need to talk to him

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 3>and like it's not going to help to say, hey, look.

0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:19.360
<v Speaker 5>I'm not even angry, Like let's sort this out.

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 3>You need to put those boundaries in place and say, like,

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.680
<v Speaker 3>if you are not going to try and seek help,

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 3>we are going to have huge issues.

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:27.360
<v Speaker 5>And I don't know if I can be in this

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 5>relationship because if there's no repercussions.

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:32.319
<v Speaker 1>For something, totally there's no consequences.

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's no consequences or repercussions. People don't really know

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:38.760
<v Speaker 3>what's at stake to lose. And I know that sounds dramatic,

0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:41.279
<v Speaker 3>but it's really not like if you don't draw a

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 3>line somewhere, he'll continue to cross sat invisible line.

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Totally.

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 2>I think you are being more than accepting. I actually

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:54.600
<v Speaker 2>think you're almost being too accepting of the behavior. And

0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:58.000
<v Speaker 2>it's obviously because you have a lot of empathy for

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 2>the things that your husband has been through. Now, I

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 2>do not think that binge drinking to blackout is an excuse,

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 2>just as you said, Britt. And it is very evident

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 2>that when your husband hurts you, it's because he is drinking.

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.120
<v Speaker 2>So if he is going to go and behave like this,

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:19.400
<v Speaker 2>there is no reason why this won't happen again. So

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 2>you've identified the problem. It's the drinking. That may not

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:25.879
<v Speaker 2>be the root cause of why he's drinking, but he's

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:29.239
<v Speaker 2>still drinking. So it doesn't work for you to put

0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:30.960
<v Speaker 2>boundaries in place with him. It doesn't work for you

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 2>to say you're not allowed to drink anymore. I need

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:36.280
<v Speaker 2>you to do XYZ like those things don't actually work.

0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Those boundaries have to come from him. They have to

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:42.440
<v Speaker 2>be supported by you, they have to be a conversation

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:44.840
<v Speaker 2>from you. But he's got to be the one that says,

0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm massively fucked up. I understand why you were as

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.800
<v Speaker 2>hurt as what you are, and I need to change

0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 2>something because if he doesn't change anything, he's going to

0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:57.719
<v Speaker 2>do the same thing. And I would say that for somebody,

0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:00.600
<v Speaker 2>it's not normal to get blackout drunk at all. Like no,

0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 2>people who think binge drinking to the point where they

0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 2>get black out drunk is just something they do with

0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 2>the boys once a month or whenever.

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:09.080
<v Speaker 1>It's it's not normal and it shouldn't happen.

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:11.799
<v Speaker 2>And if he went and spoke to someone or spoke

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 2>to a therapist, they would tell him that he's an alcoholic.

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 2>If he's getting that drunk, that is all the hallmark

0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 2>signs of someone who is actually an alcoholic getting drunk

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:19.720
<v Speaker 2>to that excess.

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:21.840
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, look, I would say it is going to

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:22.440
<v Speaker 1>be hard work.

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:26.719
<v Speaker 2>He has completely completely broken the trust and the foundations

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 2>for the relationship that you have.

0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 1>You clearly want to work on.

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:33.399
<v Speaker 2>This, but you can't just go back to the way

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 2>it was, you know, three months ago, and pretend that

0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 2>nothing happened and just smooth over it.

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 3>And you've also said, you know, is this going to

0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:43.960
<v Speaker 3>fade this feeling of sadness and shit covered relationship?

0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:44.319
<v Speaker 1>No not.

0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:46.480
<v Speaker 3>If no one's doing anything, you can go back and

0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 3>pretend now, but it will come back and rear its

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:52.239
<v Speaker 3>ugly head. And the last question that you asked is,

0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, do you have to tell people? Can you

0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 3>tell people? Should you tell people? That's completely up to you.

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:00.839
<v Speaker 3>You do need to bear the law. I do think that,

0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:02.319
<v Speaker 3>like I don't feel like you should take it all

0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 3>on yourself, and sometimes you need to the same way

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:08.080
<v Speaker 3>you've written to us. You want advice and you want

0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:10.160
<v Speaker 3>to talk about it with someone. I do think you

0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:12.920
<v Speaker 3>need to, but you need to choose who that is.

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:15.880
<v Speaker 3>If that's either like a therapist or a counselor someone

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:17.959
<v Speaker 3>maybe you're not that close to, or a family member,

0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:20.160
<v Speaker 3>or maybe it's someone you are close to. But you

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:22.880
<v Speaker 3>do need to be aware that it is highly likely

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:25.439
<v Speaker 3>they will hate him or they will dislike him, and

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:29.879
<v Speaker 3>you can't unhear something or unlearn something. So once these

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:31.839
<v Speaker 3>people know that he has cheated on you and put

0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 3>you through this and done these horrible things, even if

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:38.520
<v Speaker 3>you do work through it and they still are really

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:41.959
<v Speaker 3>lovely with him, they will always know what he did

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 3>and it will always it's always going to be tainted.

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:48.359
<v Speaker 3>It will change your relationship that you have with your friends.

0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:50.440
<v Speaker 3>It will change the relationship that you have with your partner,

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:52.920
<v Speaker 3>not necessarily in a bad way, but it will not

0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:54.919
<v Speaker 3>be the same as it was. And that is something

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 3>you need to consider when you talk about this and

0:45:58.040 --> 0:45:59.440
<v Speaker 3>who you choose to talk about it.

0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I I think you know, Look, there's so

0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:04.920
<v Speaker 2>much in this The one thing you said is is

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 2>the relief of support worth the inevitable hate towards him?

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:10.239
<v Speaker 1>How much do you need support right now?

0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Because it sounds like you are totally prioritizing everything about

0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 2>his feelings, his emotions, like he is being put at

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.239
<v Speaker 2>the center of your world right now in the way

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.800
<v Speaker 2>that you frame this question, and you want to repair

0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:27.640
<v Speaker 2>the relationship, and you also want to support him, But

0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:30.400
<v Speaker 2>who's supporting you? And also you're not the one who

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:33.560
<v Speaker 2>fucked this up, like you need support too, So maybe

0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 2>it's one friend, Maybe it is go if you don't

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 2>want something totally impartial, maybe it's a therapist. But by

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 2>all accounts, it doesn't actually sound like you're the one

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:44.840
<v Speaker 2>who needs therapy in this relationship. You might need therapy

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:46.760
<v Speaker 2>so that you can draw better boundaries, but it sounds

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:49.839
<v Speaker 2>like he does. It really sounds like he actually needs

0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:52.960
<v Speaker 2>a bit of help. And I understand everyone can fuck up,

0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:55.960
<v Speaker 2>like it's a possibility. I'm not going to say like,

0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that everyone cheats. I don't think that

0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:01.319
<v Speaker 2>cheating is a totally abnormal and really horrible thing to

0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 2>do in your relationship, but it does happen, and people

0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 2>can be incredibly remorseful for it. However, if he's still

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:10.719
<v Speaker 2>going out and getting black out drunk, the reason why

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:13.520
<v Speaker 2>this is never going to go away isn't necessarily because

0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:15.640
<v Speaker 2>he is going to cheat on you again. It's because

0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 2>every single time he goes out and gets drunk with

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.560
<v Speaker 2>the boys, you're going to think that he is, so

0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:22.920
<v Speaker 2>your insecurity is going to build. You're not going to

0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:24.480
<v Speaker 2>be able to get over this and you're not going

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:26.880
<v Speaker 2>to be able to trust him again. So changes have

0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:29.719
<v Speaker 2>to be made. It is going to be hard, and

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:31.520
<v Speaker 2>you have to work through it together if you want

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:33.440
<v Speaker 2>it to work. But it's not up to you to

0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:36.960
<v Speaker 2>enforce those boundaries. It's not up to you to enforce

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:39.400
<v Speaker 2>the change on him. It's up to him to actually

0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:42.719
<v Speaker 2>prove to you that he is remorseful in ways that

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:47.000
<v Speaker 2>go beyond just words and actually do something to show

0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:48.879
<v Speaker 2>you that he's not going to have this behavior again

0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:51.040
<v Speaker 2>in your relationship and is worthy of the forgiveness.

0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:53.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's so evident your response to this and

0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 3>the way you're handling it and how considered you are.

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:56.320
<v Speaker 5>It's evident how much you love.

0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Your partners totally, which is amazing, and like you do

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<v Speaker 3>want to help and support him because you know it

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like it is something that is out of the blue,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know you mentioned he has his history. But

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<v Speaker 3>the success of this relationship comes down to his response

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<v Speaker 3>and what he does. If somebody's not willing to put

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<v Speaker 3>in the work to change after something's like this, so

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<v Speaker 3>devastating like this, then I don't see how the relationship

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<v Speaker 3>will end up being happy and successful.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm so sorry of going through this.

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<v Speaker 2>And for anybody who's ever been cheated on or has

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<v Speaker 2>had like a huge betrayal in a relationship, just know

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<v Speaker 2>that like words and apologies actually mean fuck all.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's action that means something.

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<v Speaker 2>So if people are seemingly so remorseful that they're crying,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes that's a really good way of getting you to

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<v Speaker 2>feel empathy for them. But at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>they're the one who created this situation. Of course you

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<v Speaker 2>have empathy for them. Of Course you can feel sad

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<v Speaker 2>about where things are at because of their actions, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't give up the way you feel sad for yourself

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<v Speaker 2>and for what's happened to you and to the relationship

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<v Speaker 2>you had because of what they've done.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, let's get out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got lies to live now, we we'll live in them.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh no, I actually got to go to another recording

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<v Speaker 5>we have.

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<v Speaker 4>We got an interview.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to go and watch any of this

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube. All of the episodes are on YouTube. Go

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<v Speaker 2>and watch us in the flash. You can see me

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<v Speaker 2>in my shoes and no socks and you know the dress.

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<v Speaker 5>So mum tea, dad tea, dog tea friends and shares

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<v Speaker 5>a

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<v Speaker 1>Lung because we are love