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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Daily Odds. It's Wednesday, the twenty

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Speaker 2: I'm Lucy, I'm Sam. We're following some breaking news. Juliana

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Speaker 2: Sage has agreed to a plea deal. This is a

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Speaker 1: This seems like it could be an abrupt end to

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Speaker 1: illegal saga, which has been going on for more than

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Speaker 1: a decade. Yesterday there was a huge development in the

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Speaker 1: saga of Julian Massange, the founder of Wiki Leaks, after

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Speaker 1: being held in a London prison for over five years,

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Speaker 1: home to Australia. All that and more in today's Deep Dive.

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Speaker 1: But first Sam, what's making.

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Speaker 2: Headlines for Star Pilot. Greg Lynn has been found guilty

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Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty murder of retiree Carol Clay at

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Speaker 2: a remote campground in northeast Victoria. While finding Lynn guilty

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Speaker 2: cleared him of the murder of fellow camper Russell Hill.

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Speaker 2: Clay and Hill were last seen alive in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: with Lynn charged over the two deaths. In twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: Lynn pleaded not guilty to both deaths, saying they were accidents,

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Speaker 1: The Greens have opposed the recently proposed legislation to increase

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Speaker 1: the Governor General's salary from four hundred and ninety five

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Speaker 1: Senator Larissa Wads said on x that quote, until all

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Speaker 1: low paid workers get a forty three percent pay rise,

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Speaker 1: the governor General shouldn't either. Australia's new Governor General, Samantha Moston,

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Speaker 1: starts her role next Monday, replacing David Hurley. A document

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Speaker 2: The cargo ship that crashed into a Baltimore bridge, causing

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Speaker 1: And today's good news, the James Webb Telescope has captured

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Speaker 2: Lucy, I feel like there has just been so many

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Speaker 2: If we pretend I've never engaged with the Julian Massange story.

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Speaker 2: Give me some context as to who exactly we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean this story has been going on

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Speaker 1: WikiLeaks was designed to share censored materials involving quote, war,

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Speaker 2: So Chelsea Manning goes to prison. Julian Assange, it's a

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Speaker 1: Nothing good, is the thing. He faced eighteen charges which

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Speaker 2: And it's been really interesting to watch Australia's role in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually just too complicated to get into, right,

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Speaker 1: What did we learn, Well, we learned that Julina Sange

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Speaker 2: Okay, So there's been a plea deal reach between the

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Speaker 2: So they're basically backdating his sentence. What you're saying there

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Speaker 2: Australia and be totally free essentially. Yes, and Lucy. Have

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Speaker 1: So politicians from across the political spectrum have spoken out

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Speaker 3: It's an issue that goes beyond mister Ossange. It's about extraterritoriality.

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Speaker 3: It's about an issue about an Australian citizen who did

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Speaker 1: Bandt said on x that while it was great to

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Speaker 1: see Assange possibly come home, quote, this has been over

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Speaker 1: a decade of his life wasted by US overreach. Pursuing

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Speaker 1: Assange was anti democratic, anti press freedom and the charges

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Speaker 2: An incredible development in this multi year, almost multi decade story.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Lucy for taking us through that and thank

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