WEBVTT - Will there be a ceasefire in Sudan?

0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Already and this is the Daily This is.

0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:15.120
<v Speaker 2>The dalyi os oh, now it makes sense. Good morning

0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and welcome to the Daily ODS. It's one day, the

0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:19.400
<v Speaker 2>first of December. I'm Lucy Tassel.

0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:20.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm Zara Seidler.

0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:23.200
<v Speaker 2>It's been more than two and a half years since

0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.960
<v Speaker 2>war broke out in Sadan between rival militias. Since then,

0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:31.440
<v Speaker 2>twelve million people have fled their homes, thousands have been killed,

0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:36.120
<v Speaker 2>and international authorities have made accusations of war crimes and genocide.

0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Last week, one side said it had implemented a humanitarian truce,

0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.320
<v Speaker 2>while the other rejected a US and United Arab Emirates

0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:48.120
<v Speaker 2>led to ceasefire proposal. In today's episode, we explained the

0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:52.159
<v Speaker 2>progress of ceasefy negotiations and why one side of this

0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.440
<v Speaker 2>war is against the proposal.

0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Lucy, there is a lot to explain about this conflict,

0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.920
<v Speaker 1>and you've just mentioned at the top there that we're

0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:09.759
<v Speaker 1>talking about a possible cease fire. To understand that latest development, though,

0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.520
<v Speaker 1>we do need to understand the context of this conflict

0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.720
<v Speaker 1>that has been going on for years now. Can you

0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.720
<v Speaker 1>start at the beginning For our listeners, where did this begin?

0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.080
<v Speaker 2>For those who haven't been following or maybe just need

0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:26.920
<v Speaker 2>a refresher. Sudan has been engulfed in violent conflict since

0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:31.360
<v Speaker 2>April twenty twenty three. That's when a fragile partnership between

0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.200
<v Speaker 2>the leaders of two different militias fell apart. There are

0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.680
<v Speaker 2>two main initialisms you need to know here. There's the

0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:40.640
<v Speaker 2>SAF and the RSF.

0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:42.000
<v Speaker 1>What did those stand for?

0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:47.440
<v Speaker 2>The RSF stands for Rapid Support Forces. That's a paramilitary

0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:52.440
<v Speaker 2>group formed from previous paramilitaries active in a western region

0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:56.680
<v Speaker 2>of Sudan called Dafur. The RSF was established by the

0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.240
<v Speaker 2>former leader of Sudan, Omar al Bashir, and he is

0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:04.280
<v Speaker 2>actually wanted by the International Criminal Court for war crimes

0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.920
<v Speaker 2>and genocide in Darfur in the two thousands. The other

0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.200
<v Speaker 2>one we need to know is the SAF. That's the

0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Sudanese Armed Forces and that is the official army of Sudan.

0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.560
<v Speaker 2>In twenty nineteen, the SAF and the RSF teamed up

0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:24.720
<v Speaker 2>to overthrow Albasha. Democratic elections were supposed to follow, but

0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:29.359
<v Speaker 2>they didn't because the SAF and the RSF overthrew the

0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:33.480
<v Speaker 2>existing government and took power completely in twenty twenty one,

0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.600
<v Speaker 2>so they were back to back coups. In April twenty

0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:40.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty three, that partnership fell apart, as I've said, resulting

0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.880
<v Speaker 2>in the ongoing violent conflict between these two groups as

0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.840
<v Speaker 2>we speak. As of right now, the RSF controls the southwest.

0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Remember I said they had come from those militias in

0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.040
<v Speaker 2>the west, and the SAF controls the southeast. That's also

0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.080
<v Speaker 2>where Sudan's capital, Khartoum is.

0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we've got these two groups who control different

0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.520
<v Speaker 1>areas of the country. They've been at war for over

0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:09.200
<v Speaker 1>two years now. What's been the human costs? We're talking

0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.240
<v Speaker 1>about a war and a very large country that's been

0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.800
<v Speaker 1>at war for so long. What do we understand about

0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.239
<v Speaker 1>what this has been like for the Sudanese people.

0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.720
<v Speaker 2>The term used is humanitarian crisis. It almost kind of

0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.360
<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel big enough to encompass what's been happening. The

0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.839
<v Speaker 2>UN has not provided a death toll, though estimates put

0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.520
<v Speaker 2>the toll as high as one hundred and fifty thousand,

0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:31.960
<v Speaker 2>but it's quite difficult to know.

0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Can I just jump in here, Lucy, because off Mike,

0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.440
<v Speaker 1>I was asking you about why it is that the

0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.320
<v Speaker 1>UN can't give us a death toll, because we've seen

0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.480
<v Speaker 1>in other conflicts that the UN has been able to.

0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Can you just run our listeners through what you explain

0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:46.160
<v Speaker 1>to me here?

0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.720
<v Speaker 2>My analysis suggests that there isn't the same level of

0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.760
<v Speaker 2>infrastructure in Sudan that would allow the UN or other

0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:59.360
<v Speaker 2>bodies to understand the scale. Reports that I've read are

0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:03.240
<v Speaker 2>looking at things like aerial satellite footage to determine it's

0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.720
<v Speaker 2>quite grim, but like to determine bodies on the ground

0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.640
<v Speaker 2>to determine how many people have been killed by say

0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:13.760
<v Speaker 2>the RSF in the city of El Fashia. So there's

0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.040
<v Speaker 2>not the same level of infrastructure that we might see

0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.400
<v Speaker 2>in other wars where we would know, like there's a

0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.120
<v Speaker 2>group on the ground that is in contact with all

0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.200
<v Speaker 2>the hospitals and it's keeping tabs on the death toll.

0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.880
<v Speaker 2>As far as I can tell, that is not happening

0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:31.039
<v Speaker 2>in Sudan, and things are at a very extreme point.

0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Things were not necessarily great before this started and have deteriorated.

0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so what do we understand about the death toll?

0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:40.719
<v Speaker 1>What it's estimated to be then?

0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So one estimate I read was one hundred and

0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:47.160
<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand, but it's really quite difficult to know. There

0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.440
<v Speaker 2>were some estimates from the end of last year around

0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:54.919
<v Speaker 2>sixty thousand, but again it's really yeah unknown currently numbers

0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.279
<v Speaker 2>we do know twenty one point two million people. That's

0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:03.320
<v Speaker 2>the number experiencing a cute food insecurity and famine has

0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:08.279
<v Speaker 2>also been declared in two cities. In July twenty twenty five,

0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:12.200
<v Speaker 2>the Migration Policy Institute found the violence had forced at

0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:16.400
<v Speaker 2>least twelve million people from their homes. Some of the

0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.760
<v Speaker 2>people who fled the country had originally come to Sudan

0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.120
<v Speaker 2>as refugees themselves and have since had to find a

0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.360
<v Speaker 2>third place to go or even gone back to their homes.

0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.040
<v Speaker 2>That's again according to the Migration Policy Institute.

0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.360
<v Speaker 1>So while there is a lot that we don't know,

0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.080
<v Speaker 1>what has become clear is that there is a humanitarian

0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.839
<v Speaker 1>crisis unfolding in Sudan. One of the things that I've

0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:42.440
<v Speaker 1>read reported quite a bit is accusations of genocide and

0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:46.839
<v Speaker 1>also of ethnic cleansing. What can you tell me about Firstly,

0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:50.520
<v Speaker 1>who's leveling those accusations and secondly, I guess what are they?

0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.520
<v Speaker 2>These accusations are coming both from groups within Sudan and

0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:59.680
<v Speaker 2>they're also coming from international observers, and mainly these accusations

0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:04.080
<v Speaker 2>have been leveled at the rsf Okay, So to just

0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:08.320
<v Speaker 2>explain for the audience, genocide and ethnic cleansing are similar crimes,

0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:12.880
<v Speaker 2>but they have different definitions. Genocide under international law is

0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:16.720
<v Speaker 2>defined as killing members of a national, ethnic, racial, or

0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:21.640
<v Speaker 2>religious group or making their survival impossible, and then UN

0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:26.120
<v Speaker 2>experts have said ethnic cleansing is removing members of an

0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.880
<v Speaker 2>ethnic or religious group from an area by quote violent

0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:36.360
<v Speaker 2>or terror inspiring means. In terms of ramifications for these allegations,

0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:41.680
<v Speaker 2>International Criminal courte Deputy Prosecutor Nazat Shamin Khan said her

0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:45.320
<v Speaker 2>team earlier this year, she said, is actively gathering evidence

0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:49.040
<v Speaker 2>of war crimes in Sudan. In comments to the UN

0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.839
<v Speaker 2>Security Council in July, she said the humanitarian situation in

0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Sudan had reached quote an intolerable state. She added, quote hospitals,

0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:02.200
<v Speaker 2>humanitarian convoys and other billion objects are apparently being targeted.

0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Famine is escalating and humanitarian aid is not reaching those

0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.280
<v Speaker 2>in dire need of it. Rape and sexual violence are

0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:10.240
<v Speaker 2>being weaponized.

0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Lucy, you said there that she is gathering evidence, Does

0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.480
<v Speaker 1>that mean then that they will seek they being the ICC,

0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.520
<v Speaker 1>will seek to take people to trial because we know

0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the ICC is about people whereas the ICJ is about states.

0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.320
<v Speaker 1>So are we looking at people then being taken to trial?

0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, eventually, though I will note that, as I said earlier,

0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:37.400
<v Speaker 2>the ICC still can't hold a trial for previous dictator

0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Omar Albasher over crimes dating back to two thousand and

0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.640
<v Speaker 2>two because they don't try people in absentia. That is,

0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.480
<v Speaker 2>they don't try people who aren't physically present and international

0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:50.760
<v Speaker 2>trials as we've explained before, and this podcast can take

0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.480
<v Speaker 2>a really any time yep to come to fruition.

0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.800
<v Speaker 1>So we run through what the latest is on the

0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.400
<v Speaker 1>ground in Sudan. The context behind this current conflict is

0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.120
<v Speaker 1>you did start by mentioning a ceasefire though, so can

0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.160
<v Speaker 1>we just go back to that now? What is the

0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:07.560
<v Speaker 1>state of play with a ceasefire?

0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Back in September, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the US, and the

0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:17.880
<v Speaker 2>United Arab Emirates all proposed a ceasefire plan for Sudan.

0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.600
<v Speaker 2>We don't have exact details, but the group did release

0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:25.400
<v Speaker 2>a statement outlining some of their ideas, including starting with

0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.320
<v Speaker 2>a three month truce to allow quote the swift entry

0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.079
<v Speaker 2>of humanitarian aid that would then be followed by a

0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:36.600
<v Speaker 2>permanent ceasefire The statement said, Sudan's future government is quote

0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.319
<v Speaker 2>for the Sudanese people to decide, not controlled by any

0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:44.559
<v Speaker 2>warring party, So that would be the SAF and the RSF.

0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.280
<v Speaker 2>That's one point that has been contentious for the SAF

0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.680
<v Speaker 2>who said this plan would quote eliminate them and keep

0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:56.680
<v Speaker 2>the RSF quote in its positions. In terms of Sudan's government,

0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.640
<v Speaker 2>currently it's being run by the SAF, as I said before,

0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.440
<v Speaker 2>they are technically the official army, while the RSF is

0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.560
<v Speaker 2>in the process of setting up a rival government.

0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Right, So, I mean, how would that work to have

0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.920
<v Speaker 1>an existing government a rival government. There has been this

0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.479
<v Speaker 1>power struggle that has been so violent for so many years.

0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:19.600
<v Speaker 1>How would that even work.

0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.160
<v Speaker 2>There's a couple of examples we can point to in

0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the world. I mean, hypothetically, we could have an East

0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Germany West Germany situation where there's two the country splits

0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.120
<v Speaker 2>in two, and S'dan has already split into Sudan and

0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.680
<v Speaker 2>South Sudan. But there's also a different example, literally right

0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:38.719
<v Speaker 2>next door to Sudan on its northwestern border, and that's Libya.

0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.720
<v Speaker 2>So since twenty fourteen, there have been two governments in Libya,

0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.880
<v Speaker 2>two parallel governments, one in the east and one in

0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.920
<v Speaker 2>the west. That also is a situation that arose out

0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:53.040
<v Speaker 2>of a war, a civil war. Only the government in

0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.360
<v Speaker 2>the West, based in the city of Tripoli, is recognized

0:09:56.360 --> 0:10:00.880
<v Speaker 2>by international governments, so places like Australia, I means other

0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.800
<v Speaker 2>countries only do business and only engage in diplomatic talks

0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.760
<v Speaker 2>with the Tripoli government, which is backed by the UN.

0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.280
<v Speaker 2>And you've asked how it would work, not particularly well.

0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:16.120
<v Speaker 2>I would say there have been many attempts at reconciling

0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.720
<v Speaker 2>the two sides, none of them have yet been successful,

0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.720
<v Speaker 2>and the fact that other countries don't recognize the Eastern

0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.880
<v Speaker 2>government limits what it's able to do. That could happen

0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:30.480
<v Speaker 2>in Sudan assuming neither side can agree on the ceasefire proposal,

0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.360
<v Speaker 2>which has some other points of contention too, And I

0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.240
<v Speaker 2>would say the main one relates to the United Arab

0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Emirates or the UAE.

0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:39.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you brought that up because I have been

0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.439
<v Speaker 1>wanting to ask you because it does feel like I mean,

0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.400
<v Speaker 1>certainly when we've uploaded posts in the past, there have

0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.920
<v Speaker 1>been a lot of comments about the UAE and the

0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.760
<v Speaker 1>role of the UAE. Why is the UAE so controversial

0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:54.760
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to this conflict in particular.

0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and people are right to point this out. The

0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:02.079
<v Speaker 2>UAE has been accused by many places, particularly the SAF

0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:07.960
<v Speaker 2>of supplying weapons to the RSF. It has denied these allegations,

0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:12.400
<v Speaker 2>but I will say international observers have documented the movement

0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.600
<v Speaker 2>of weapons on planes from the UAE to an airport

0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.080
<v Speaker 2>in the country of Chad which is near the border

0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.360
<v Speaker 2>with Sudan, to the RSF to their training camps. And

0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.200
<v Speaker 2>that includes weapons from Europe that have somehow come through

0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:27.319
<v Speaker 2>the UAE.

0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.720
<v Speaker 1>And just to jump in here, So it's the RSF

0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.080
<v Speaker 1>who have had genocide allegations leveled at them, and there

0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.840
<v Speaker 1>have been international observers who have documented the movement of

0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.360
<v Speaker 1>weapons to that group. Yeah, yeah, Okay.

0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Back in March, Sudan sued the UAE in the International

0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Court of Justice, the ICJ. So, as you said, different

0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:51.000
<v Speaker 2>to the icc alleging it provided quote unlimited support to

0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:55.520
<v Speaker 2>the RSF, enabling the group to perpetrate quote genocide, forcible

0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.240
<v Speaker 2>displacement and murder.

0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.080
<v Speaker 1>What happened in that ICJ case, So.

0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:05.200
<v Speaker 2>The ICJ actually throughout Sudan's case, saying that while it

0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.600
<v Speaker 2>was quote deeply concerned by the conflict, it didn't actually

0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.320
<v Speaker 2>have the power to hear the case, which was a

0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.959
<v Speaker 2>very interesting nuance of international law here. So the UAE

0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.520
<v Speaker 2>and Sudan are both signatories. They're both agreed to be

0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:23.560
<v Speaker 2>bound by the United Nations Genocide Convention. This is a

0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.840
<v Speaker 2>legal text that obliges countries to prevent genocide and to

0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.000
<v Speaker 2>punish those who carry it out, including within their own countries.

0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:35.120
<v Speaker 2>One section of this legal document states that countries can

0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:39.559
<v Speaker 2>take disputes quote, including those relating to the responsibility of

0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.960
<v Speaker 2>a country for genocide, to the ICJ, basically saying we

0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.839
<v Speaker 2>accuse you of committing genocide. We're taking this to the

0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:47.439
<v Speaker 2>World Court.

0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.000
<v Speaker 1>And we've seen that in previous cases. South Africa took

0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Israel to the ICJ over this exact claim.

0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Yea, and that case is ongoing. But this case couldn't

0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:00.280
<v Speaker 2>go ahead because the UAE is not party to that

0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.040
<v Speaker 2>specific section of this legal document.

0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:04.040
<v Speaker 1>They've got a carve out.

0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.280
<v Speaker 2>They yeah, they got a carve out of just this

0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.760
<v Speaker 2>specific section, which meant the ICJ basically had to say,

0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:14.079
<v Speaker 2>while we agree that there's something very concerning going on here,

0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.720
<v Speaker 2>we literally don't have jurisdiction, which for me, raises the question.

0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.679
<v Speaker 1>Who does yeah, fascinating.

0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.880
<v Speaker 2>So the Sudanese government, however, which as I said, is

0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.600
<v Speaker 2>controlled by the saf is still making these allegations. The

0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.920
<v Speaker 2>International Observer's observations still stand, and that means that it

0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:38.080
<v Speaker 2>is not accepting the saf UA led ceasefire, because I said,

0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.559
<v Speaker 2>that's one of the countries involved in this ceasefire proposal. Meanwhile,

0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.920
<v Speaker 2>last week the RSF that's the other group, said it

0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:49.839
<v Speaker 2>would activate a three month humanitarian truce, but US negotiators

0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.760
<v Speaker 2>said it hadn't actually formally accepted the deal, and there

0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:57.000
<v Speaker 2>have been reports of ongoing violence regardless of this kind

0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:01.040
<v Speaker 2>of stated truce. So for now seems like things are

0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.240
<v Speaker 2>at an impasse as they have been already.

0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so no one has formally accepted that truce deal

0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.120
<v Speaker 1>that's been put on the table. As you've just said,

0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:13.320
<v Speaker 1>there is ongoing violence, and so whether or not that

0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.480
<v Speaker 1>is accepted, given that there are such huge reservations about

0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.480
<v Speaker 1>both the involvement of the UAE and also some of

0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.720
<v Speaker 1>the details in the plan, certainly one to keep an

0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:26.160
<v Speaker 1>eye on to see if it does get through. Definitely, Lucy,

0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.640
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for explaining this today. Thanks Sarah,

0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.920
<v Speaker 1>and thank you for joining us for another episode of

0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.640
<v Speaker 1>The Daily Os. We'll be back as normal this afternoon

0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:39.720
<v Speaker 1>with the headlines, but until then, have a great day.

0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.480
<v Speaker 2>My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda

0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Bungelung Caalcuttin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily Os acknowledges

0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.760
<v Speaker 2>that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the

0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres

0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the

0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.040
<v Speaker 2>first peoples of these countries, both past and present.