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Speaker 1: Joining us in the studio is the Chief Minister, Michael Gunner.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, morning, Katie. Chief.

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Speaker 1: Firstly, we know that we've certainly had a bit of

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Speaker 1: an update on the Brisbane situation. Greater Brisbane's going to

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Speaker 1: lockdown for three days from five pm to s after

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Speaker 1: ten new COVID cases were recorded in the state overnight.

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Speaker 2: What does this mean for the territory.

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Speaker 3: It's a very good question.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Hegey as a Chief Health Officer, is about to

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Speaker 4: participate in the HPPC meeting. That's the meeting of all

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Speaker 4: the Chief officers around the country as well as the

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Speaker 4: Chief Medical Officer, to discuss what's happening. Obviously, where we're

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Speaker 4: at the headline figures and you've read out some of

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Speaker 4: the stats that are there. To make our decision, we

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Speaker 4: need to know a bit more detail about the movement

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Speaker 4: of the virus, essentially how people catching it, where are

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Speaker 4: they catching it, and what the situation is in Brisbane.

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Speaker 4: I'm as probably well briefed as anybody in the country,

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Speaker 4: and I still think it's very hard to draw a

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Speaker 4: clear line through what's actually happening in Queensland. So reports

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Speaker 4: of the weekend of that there was a party and there

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Speaker 4: wasn't a party, for example, around that person who was possit.

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Speaker 4: So getting a good understanding of what's happening there because

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Speaker 4: they are big decisions that we might need to make

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Speaker 4: around borders and that. So Doctor Hegey will have that

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Speaker 4: meeting today. He will then brief us at SIMPSY and

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Speaker 4: we'll have to make a big decision today about how

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Speaker 4: we're handling what's going on in Queensland.

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Speaker 1: So at the moment though, no lockdown to Brisbane at

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Speaker 1: this stage, but waiting for doctor Hugh Hegge to complete

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Speaker 1: that METS just.

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Speaker 3: To confirm what the current measures are.

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Speaker 4: You must isolate and test if you're coming from Brisbane

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Speaker 4: and the modern val area from the twentieth so anyone

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Speaker 4: from the twentieth and obvious anyone arriving since then prior

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Speaker 4: to the twentieth, rough twelfth to the nineteenth. If you

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Speaker 4: are in any way symptomatic, any way symptomatic, you must

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Speaker 4: isolate and test as well. So we are taking it seriously.

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Speaker 4: We'll obviously make a decision today, but whether we have

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Speaker 4: to go further or not. Obviously Brisbane has gone further

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Speaker 4: with that lockdown decision and the Maskes decision that they've

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Speaker 4: made for Queensland too, which so a couple of big

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Speaker 4: decisions there that we need to get a head around

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Speaker 4: why they're doing that, and then what we makes what

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Speaker 4: adds to is as a result of that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so certainly a moving feast at this point in time,

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister. We know that job Keeper ended in the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory yesterday. We'll all around Australia. How many territorians

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Speaker 1: were still on job Keeper up until yesterday.

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Speaker 4: The advice I have, and this is early March figures,

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Speaker 4: but I don't think they would have changed much, is

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Speaker 4: around two thousand businesses, which is a lot, and seven

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Speaker 4: and a half thousand work jobs, which is also a lot.

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Speaker 4: Now we've seen a sixty percent decline since September last year,

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Speaker 4: and who was on job keeper?

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Speaker 3: Businesses and people?

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Speaker 4: So the big thing now is how many people will

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Speaker 4: transition into employment? How many businesses were just prepared to

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Speaker 4: wait till the end of job Keeper then pivot in.

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Speaker 4: I am worried for any of those tourism businesses, particularly

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Speaker 4: the international facing tourism businesses, that they have found it

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Speaker 4: difficult to pivot. There isn't necessarily a market ready to

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Speaker 4: go for them, so there are still some people out there.

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Speaker 4: I am worried about the Australian government released job Make

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Speaker 4: if you might remember where they'll put in money one

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Speaker 4: five years of age that they'll help towards the bill,

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Speaker 4: and we said in the territory will help anyone, so

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Speaker 4: we'll fill in the missing dollars and we will provide

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Speaker 4: in April, so we're providing some help there with the

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Speaker 1: Realistically, though, is that going to be enough to help

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Speaker 1: these two thousand businesses survive?

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Speaker 3: That's the truth test.

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Speaker 4: Now of April, I have written to the Treasury of Friedenburger,

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Speaker 4: as others have over the journey, saying we really would

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Speaker 4: like to see job Keeper extended for those tourism related businesses.

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Speaker 4: Obviously we haven't seen that decision. We've seen the half

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Speaker 4: So I am hopeful for a lot of businesses, but

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: Well, and this is a difficult thing.

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Speaker 1: But also when you've got this situation with different borders

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Speaker 1: a huge impact. Just quickly, though, can you tell me

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Speaker 1: where we're at with the Turk the Territory Economic Reconstruction Commission.

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Speaker 1: That report obviously was brought into place or announced towards

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Speaker 1: there aimed at really keeping the Northern Territory moving. My

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Speaker 1: understanding was that the report from the Chief Executives into

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Speaker 1: their department's roles and responsibilities.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was due in February. Where is it at?

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Speaker 4: So all that work, why the public service, has been

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Speaker 4: So you're going to see a rolling series of announcements,

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Speaker 4: of which some have already been made. So we're more

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Speaker 4: the rezoning application from like six hundred dollars down to

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Speaker 4: one hundred and something. On Friday, the Deputy Chief Minister

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Speaker 4: six months to six weeks. So you're going to see

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Speaker 4: a whole series of decisions like that from us. It's

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Speaker 4: all about just how we can do government better, how

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Speaker 4: we can help businesses better, they can do territory that

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Speaker 4: we've announced, that's that online portal that's up. Around two

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Speaker 4: hundred businesses have had their red tape essentially significantly reduced.

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Speaker 3: It's all online.

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Speaker 4: They'd have to go around town dropping in forms or

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Speaker 4: of announcements from us that go to just the way

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Speaker 3: So that will just be a rolling series of announcements,

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 2: So that is all underway. That underway, all right.

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Speaker 1: Chief, Let's move along, because you weren't available to come

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Speaker 1: on the show last week. We have covered extensively the

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Speaker 1: proposed changes that your government's put forward when it comes

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Speaker 1: to youth offending and those repeat offenders. But our listeners

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Speaker 1: are keen to really get your take, what changed last

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Speaker 1: week that made you realize that you had to make

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Speaker 4: Community safety must be the priority, It must always be

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Speaker 4: the priority.

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Speaker 3: How can we make people safer?

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Speaker 4: I think I said this in your show A Lot, Katie,

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Speaker 4: you can never stop working when it comes to making

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Speaker 4: people safer. We promised to strengthen monitoring compliance for bail

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Speaker 4: the election as we were working through how bail and

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Speaker 4: it fed into diversion in the end, how they were

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Speaker 3: You know, we looked at and said.

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Speaker 4: People shouldn't seriously breach bail, and if they do seriously

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Speaker 4: breach bail, what is a reasonable consequence? And I you know,

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Speaker 4: I've said this on the show A Lot. It's a privilege,

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Speaker 4: not a right. Bail and so if you seriously breached

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Speaker 4: that right gets revoked. And then we're looking at the

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Speaker 4: diversion question. I actually had a few people say this

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Speaker 4: your consequence right, And we asked the question. Somehow this

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Speaker 4: has slipped through various governments. You didn't have to complete diversion,

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Speaker 4: which is just mind boggling.

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Speaker 2: It's mind boggling to me as well.

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Speaker 1: But I guess the thing is that a lot of

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Speaker 1: our listeners have pointed out is you and I have

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Speaker 1: spoken about this before. I guess I've given you examples before,

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Speaker 1: and yet you know you were so hesitant to sort

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Speaker 2: So you know what really did change.

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Speaker 3: So let's take a step back.

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Speaker 4: My priority remains how do you stop crying from occurring

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Speaker 4: be your priority. We said we would do stuff in

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Speaker 4: I think it's a very simple question of principles, should

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Speaker 3: Bail or not?

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Speaker 4: And so these are things I think a common sense

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Speaker 4: and we'll have a genuine impact. And you just can

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Speaker 4: never stop working. You can never stop working in this

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Speaker 1: So I guess now the big question is you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean that legislation isn't going to be debated until May,

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Speaker 4: So it'd be definitely brought into Parliament in May, and

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Speaker 4: we've to make a decision or not about whether we

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Speaker 2: Said will that consultation be with.

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Speaker 4: So it's more as you release the legislation, so press

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Speaker 4: So I'm very open to the question of urgency in May.

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Speaker 4: That's full of the bulk of it. The one element

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Speaker 4: just flavored by powleer counts, will be the traffic changes.

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Speaker 4: That's where we're saying, if you're a youth behind a vehicle,

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Speaker 4: the police must make reasonable efforts to find a responsible

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Speaker 2: In the meantime.

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Speaker 1: So between now and May, how are police expected to

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Speaker 1: manage the issues we have with repeat offenders? I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Police Commissioner himself said that police analysis of youth

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Speaker 2: So how are we going to manage that in the meantime?

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Speaker 3: So police have got significant powers right now.

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Speaker 4: This is going to strengthening what those police powers are

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Speaker 4: sure we've got additional police. So, for example, in our springs,

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Speaker 1: Well, we did send others down earlier in the year,

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Speaker 4: To put my local member on to wear both hats,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, have we got an issue though where we've obviously

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Speaker 4: We've done a lot of work obviously over decades, but

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Speaker 3: A community club in their community. We're open to that.

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Speaker 1: When when's the Prime Minister coming up for a visit?

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Speaker 4: I've been with the Prime Minister since speaking Womanister Wyant

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Speaker 1: All right, Chief Finister, we are running out of time,

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Speaker 1: Intelligence and Capability PEND a letter to the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: The letter reads, four recent reported matters involved real people,

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Speaker 4: police are always working towards that outcome. But you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to interfendal give you a direction in

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Speaker 4: this and.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think that is everybody's priority, is community safety.

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Speaker 1: I will say that, you know, I don't think that

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Speaker 1: we need to be detailing all of the details with

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Speaker 1: some of these incidents, but one in particular, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to go into a huge amount of detail,

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Speaker 1: one of those in particular happened in broad daylight in

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Speaker 1: the afternoon. It was two adults, as I understand it,

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Speaker 1: a woman sexually assaulted.

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Speaker 2: Allegedly.

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Speaker 1: We have people ringing this station telling us that they'd

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Speaker 1: seen it. I mean, we're not talking about in some

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Speaker 1: of these cases where people are leaking information to the media.

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Speaker 1: It's things that people are seeing on the street themselves.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: To me, I actually think that the public do have

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Speaker 1: a right to know. Again, I will say, not all

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Speaker 1: the details and certainly not identifying victims, but I do

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Speaker 1: think we have a right to know what's going on

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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory on our streets.

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Speaker 3: I think that's an extremely reasonable point, Katie.

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Speaker 1: And so I mean, in your opinion, do you think

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Speaker 1: that we should be alerted when there is a serious

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Speaker 1: sexual assault.

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Speaker 4: That's the point I've made to the police commissioner. As

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Speaker 4: I think community sactingy must always come first. I understand

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Speaker 4: they've got to make operational decisions from time to time

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Speaker 4: about not pulling cases at risk or protecting victims. And

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Speaker 4: I've said that's obviously I get that as a carve

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Speaker 4: out commissioner. But the community, the communities know what they

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Speaker 4: need to know to be safe. And so I've spoken

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Speaker 4: the commissioner. I think he understandsatly where I'm coming from.

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Speaker 4: I took what he said with great seriousness. And so

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Speaker 4: for me, if you ask me for a blanket principal position,

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Speaker 4: obviously in case the case we're different, the public have

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Speaker 4: a right to know the things they need to know

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Speaker 4: to be safe.

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Speaker 1: Chief finish to Michael Gnner, we are going to have

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Speaker 1: to leave it there. I've got so many messages I

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Speaker 1: don't have time to read them all out, but we

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Speaker 1: will get to them throughout the show. Always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,