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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry. Hey, Slolaberry. Here,

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Speaker 1: Matt told me to mix up my intros, so you've

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Speaker 1: got a hey and not a hallo or a good

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Speaker 1: a today. This next guest. You know when you meet

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Speaker 1: someone and they're so smart, like they're f and smart.

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Speaker 1: This guy's so smart that I was like, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm smart enough to hold a

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Speaker 1: combo with you. That's how much he blew me away.

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Speaker 1: It is Tim Silverwood. He is the creator of an

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Speaker 1: amazing organization called Take three for the Sea. So the

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Speaker 1: premise is, anytime we go to the beach, you take

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Speaker 1: three bits of rubbish away from the beach with you.

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Speaker 1: And he's all about a big global movement and his

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Speaker 1: overarching message is that of hope. So he is pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, he's uber, uber smart, he

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Speaker 1: knows his stuff and he's here to make a difference.

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Speaker 1: I really hope you're inspired by this chat with Tim Silverwood. Hello, Hei,

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Speaker 1: I am joined today by the incredible You are incredible.

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Speaker 1: His eyes. Tim's eyes were just gone, like, where's she's

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Speaker 1: going with this? Tim's would Okay. So I've made a

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Speaker 1: list of what I think you are.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you want to go? I'll give you a

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Speaker 2: tick or a cross.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So you're a surfer. Tick, You're an environmentalist. You

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Speaker 1: are a plastic pollution campaigner.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I've been known for.

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Speaker 1: Yees, this is how you're described. And I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: it's the movie called the the Blue.

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Speaker 2: It's called Blue Blue.

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Speaker 1: I went to the premiere in Sydney with Guy and

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Speaker 1: I have a photo with.

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Speaker 2: You at the State Theater. Yes, lovely event.

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Speaker 1: You don't remember it, you don't remember seeing me.

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Speaker 3: I think I was operating on a big high that night,

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Speaker 3: so a lot of it was packed.

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Speaker 1: Pack was beautiful, and I figure you're here to make

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Speaker 2: You got that correct, Okay? Awesome.

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Speaker 1: The reason why I'm nervous to have you on today,

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Speaker 1: I was just saying before we press record, Oh, I'm

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Speaker 1: quite nervous to have you on. Usually I have hung

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Speaker 1: out with the guests a little bit, so there's this

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Speaker 1: kind of real relaxed and chill. But because I've always

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Speaker 1: kind of like admired what you have done, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm more of a fan. But I've always watched

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Speaker 1: it for years. And we run into each other in

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Speaker 1: Olwood a few years ago in a little cafe in

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Speaker 1: ol Would do you remember that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So we've kind of just I've always been really

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Speaker 1: aware and watched you, but I've never sat down and

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Speaker 1: had like a ginormous combo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I should be similarly nervous then, because I think when

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, really launching I guess to building

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Speaker 3: Take three and building a bit of identity around myself.

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Speaker 2: You know, you were a real leader in.

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Speaker 3: That space as well, and I think you've harnessed tools,

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Speaker 2: So maybe we should be just mirroring that little bit

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're making me feel better, you feel comfy. So

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Speaker 1: you have just mentioned Take three for the Sea. You

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Speaker 1: set that up about ten years ago, now, is that right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's ten years since the three founders first met

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Speaker 1: So for people listening, I'm sure people are already playing

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Speaker 1: at home and understand the whole concept behind Take three.

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Speaker 1: I know I posted about it a few months ago,

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Speaker 1: and you've had some epic campaigns and I've seen cool

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Speaker 1: it's such a simple campaign. Can you explain it?

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Speaker 3: So we asked people to take three pieces of rubbish

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Speaker 3: But it also encourages people everywhere when you see plastic

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Speaker 3: and we try and do that by getting people like

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Speaker 3: you and everyone to just do small actions. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's a little bit of take three in a nutshell

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Speaker 1: Perfect? Is it true? I've been cheeking what's your TED talk?

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Speaker 1: By the way, were you so nervous doing that?

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, well, I remember that it was a

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Speaker 1: You found you seemed so calm. And speaking of that,

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Speaker 1: so you sailed five thousand kilometers across the North Pacific Ocean, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you went to this and this is what blew

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Speaker 1: me away in that movie. You went to that is

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Speaker 3: So there's a beach on the big Island of Hawaii

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Speaker 3: it's not pollution that has come from Hawaiians. It's washed

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Speaker 1: How did you feel when you saw it for the

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Speaker 2: And that was what I really realized that, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, it's not about the big stuff, because the big

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Speaker 3: You cannot clean up what is ultimately like smog. It's

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Speaker 3: The only way to stop the problem is to stop

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Speaker 1: And it makes me it reminds me of something else

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, like this plastic sand where the plastic is

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Speaker 1: And it just so we're talking like tiny weeny bits

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Speaker 3: It's even getting worse now. I mean that's not eight

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Speaker 1: I saw, I've seen you talk about plastic and just

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Speaker 1: like simple things that we can do. Like I do

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Speaker 1: I just think you do have such an important message.

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Speaker 1: And I know it probably feels like because you've been

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Speaker 1: like we actually can make a huge difference as one

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Speaker 1: buy a coffee, right, these all things since even that

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Speaker 3: we're getting there now. But it's just a bit of

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Speaker 3: a shame that it takes so long to create that

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Speaker 1: It's amazing how you say, as well, it does take

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Speaker 1: to even hearing about the doco. There's a documentary called Blackfish.

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Speaker 1: It's this documentary made about Orca whale's living in captivity.

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Speaker 1: And it took that documentary for SeaWorld to ban kind

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Speaker 1: You can't do that. But it wasn't. It was being

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Speaker 1: movement of people going this isn't you know? The hashtag

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Speaker 1: empty the tanks was like a big campaign and it

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Speaker 3: And like every species out there, there are limits to

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Speaker 3: the number of species of a that can actually form.

439
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Speaker 3: So limits to growth is a sort of well known

440
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Speaker 3: theme and construct there. So whether that's a b colony

441
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Speaker 3: or ants or termites or monkeys or fish like, there

442
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Speaker 3: will always be parameters put in place around those species

443
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Speaker 3: before disease or predation or something controls the size of

444
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Speaker 3: that species. So Ever, since the Industrial revolution. We've just

445
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Speaker 3: been using sort of technology and innovation to break those parameters,

446
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Speaker 3: and so you're absolutely right. In many ways, it's very

447
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Speaker 3: evident that the human population has failed, and we've failed

448
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Speaker 3: in the context that we're now affecting all these other

449
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Speaker 3: species that are housed on this planet. So in many ways,

450
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Speaker 3: like our one job as humans like was to at

451
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Speaker 3: least control the carbon cycle. You know, the carbon cycle

452
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Speaker 3: of our planet. It does change over thousands of years

453
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Speaker 3: and millions of years, but we've just disrupted it over

454
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Speaker 3: the last few hundred and we continue to it at

455
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Speaker 3: an ever increasing rate. So yeah, we've failed. We've all failed.

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Speaker 1: So what happens if what happens if people like you

457
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Speaker 1: didn't exist? And what happens if we just kept going

458
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Speaker 1: down that path of kind of abusing the planet? How

459
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Speaker 1: would that look in like ten years, twenty years time.

460
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Speaker 3: I've always loved so I studied sustainability at university and

461
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Speaker 3: a lot of it was around the history and the

462
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Speaker 3: theories behind sustainable development, And one idea that really got

463
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Speaker 3: me early on was James Lovelock's the Gaia hypothesis to

464
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Speaker 3: basically say that our planet is essentially, you know, one

465
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Speaker 3: giant living, breathing organism, and that if you do push

466
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Speaker 3: the boundaries too far, then external forces will actually push

467
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Speaker 3: it back the other way and really really challenge that

468
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Speaker 3: particular species that's causing the harm. So, you know, I

469
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Speaker 3: feel like if we keep going the way we're going,

470
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Speaker 3: we're going to make a climate and our own habitat

471
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Speaker 3: very very challenging with which for us to live. And

472
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Speaker 3: of course we'll keep using technology to try and counter that,

473
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Speaker 3: and that's where you start getting very sci fi and

474
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Speaker 3: very sort of futuristic and one of what the world's

475
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Speaker 3: going to look like. But at this point in time,

476
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Speaker 3: I think the more we can understand the huge breadth

477
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Speaker 3: of human impacts that we're causing and how it is,

478
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Speaker 3: I mean, it might be comfortable for some of us

479
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Speaker 3: right now, but it's not comfortable for a heck of

480
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Speaker 3: a lot of people out there who are already living

481
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Speaker 3: in the extremes of the climate crisis and extinction crisis.

482
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's going to be really really challenging,

483
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Speaker 3: which is a lot of people. I mean, it's becoming

484
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Speaker 3: sort of common knowledge now right look at what's happening

485
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Speaker 3: with extinction rebellion and huge groups of people now forming

486
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Speaker 3: around the world to say this is just not good enough.

487
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Speaker 3: We need to actually stand up and defend what we're

488
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Speaker 3: doing to the planet and to other species.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain what extinction rebellion what you mean by that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Extinction Rebellion is essentially a movement that's been born

491
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Speaker 3: out of the UK and it's only about a year old,

492
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Speaker 3: and essentially they have a sort of like a decree

493
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Speaker 3: that calls for basically us to look at the current

494
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Speaker 3: science around climate change and to push politicians to basically

495
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Speaker 3: declare a climate emergency. And there's a raft of other

496
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Speaker 3: things that they're calling on. But what I'm finding really

497
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Speaker 3: interesting about it is it has this m of civil disobedience.

498
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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that civil disobedience is the solution,

499
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Speaker 3: but I just think that we're getting to that point

500
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Speaker 3: now where we need a whole breadth of ways to

501
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Speaker 3: sort of pull the levers to get the change. And

502
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: it's looking like I this is you know, there's huge

503
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Speaker 3: protests recently around the world and people being arrested. I

504
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: mean even lately Jane Fonder is protesting at the White

505
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Speaker 3: House and getting arrested. Like there's all these people standing

506
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Speaker 3: up now and just saying it's time to pull this lever,

507
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Speaker 3: which says we're going to actually have a bit of

508
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Speaker 3: civil disobedience in order to get what we need to

509
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Speaker 3: see here.

510
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Speaker 1: Totally, and I think it's amazing when high profile artists

511
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Speaker 1: put themselves in the because artists feel so when you

512
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Speaker 1: talk about people that want to feel change or make

513
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Speaker 1: a change, generally people with good hearts, and it's it's

514
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Speaker 1: nice hearing like you. Jane Fonder is just like it.

515
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Speaker 1: And even Leonardo DiCaprio, he's got really involved and done

516
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Speaker 1: his own docos on if we don't make a change,

517
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Speaker 1: we're in a lot of trouble. And I think that's

518
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Speaker 1: quite empowering. It's good to see people that don't necessarily

519
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: like they're using their platform to help. So, Okay, so

520
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Speaker 1: we're on a path where if changes don't happen, we're

521
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Speaker 1: in strife. Yeah, what can we do now? Like obviously,

522
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Speaker 1: every time we go to the ocean or any waterway

523
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: for that matter, or any place of nature, we can

524
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: take three pieces of rubbish away with this. So there

525
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: are little things we can do, like boycotting plastic bags

526
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Speaker 1: and using keep cups. And you're drinking out of your

527
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Speaker 1: wonderful water bottle there that's not plastic, of course, you know,

528
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Speaker 1: like there, and even myself, like I flew in here,

529
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Speaker 1: I'm here for a week, I have my water bottle packed,

530
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Speaker 1: Like I was, like, I'm not gonna be stuck in

531
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Speaker 1: a situation where I can't just fill my wa up

532
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Speaker 1: with water. And it's now becoming really simple to make

533
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Speaker 1: those choices. What's the next level of that, What can

534
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Speaker 1: we do to take that further apart from.

535
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we can keep doing that obviously, that is the

536
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: that's the start. That's like the gateway drug. We need

537
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 3: to get addicted as much as possible to a whole

538
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: range of other activities that.

539
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Speaker 2: Are more sustainable.

540
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Speaker 3: So, you know, I'd like to think that everyone tuning

541
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Speaker 3: in here is well aware of the the consequences of

542
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Speaker 3: their consumption. I like to just make sure when I

543
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: am out and I'm consuming something, I give a little

544
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Speaker 3: bit of a thought to, you know, the consequences of

545
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Speaker 3: my consumption. So if it was something that was plastic,

546
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 3: for example, I'm going to be like, oh, okay, well,

547
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: I acknowledge that that's plastic that's made from oil, that's

548
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: got a lot of energy. And when I'm done with it.

549
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Speaker 3: It's going to last forever and it canna. It can't

550
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Speaker 3: be recycled, so you sort of you're putting yourself in

551
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Speaker 3: the picture. Similarly, if you're going to eat dairy or meat,

552
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: just understand that is an animal product that's come from somewhere.

553
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Speaker 3: So where did it come from? What are the consequences

554
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: of that? What happens when I'm done with it? So

555
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: we can all be a little bit more conscious. But

556
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Speaker 3: what that's going to do is send a message upwards

557
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Speaker 3: to those people that are supplying that stuff. So it's

558
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: that old adage you're voting with your wallet, so you're

559
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: voting for the future that you want to see that.

560
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Speaker 3: What I really think we need to rapidly see is

561
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Speaker 3: businesses becoming way more sustainable than they currently are because

562
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Speaker 3: at the moment, especially when you start going to that

563
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: traditional capitalist model, you know they're really just there to

564
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Speaker 3: serve the interests of their shareholders. The number one goal

565
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: of any publicly listed company with people who own shares

566
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Speaker 3: is to maximize the return for those investors.

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Speaker 2: Duh.

568
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: Of course, we're going to have a planet and people

569
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Speaker 3: that are going to be abused if we just stick

570
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: with that capitalistic model. So we need to see a

571
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Speaker 3: rise in conscious business as conscious capitalism b corps. We

572
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: need to show that business can be.

573
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Speaker 2: Good for the planet.

574
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Speaker 3: We're full of out there in the domain of green

575
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: washing and blue washing.

576
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Speaker 2: Oh, we're going to do this. We're going to do that.

577
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Speaker 2: It really has to be genuine.

578
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Speaker 3: So I'm all about trying in my next sort of

579
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: phase of life, trying to explore just how business can

580
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Speaker 3: be good for the planet. Because once business can show

581
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: that it can build and grow and sustain economies, then

582
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Speaker 3: we can start to pull the final lever, which is government,

583
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Speaker 3: which is politics. Because at the moment politics they said

584
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: that they serve the people, but more often than not,

585
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: they serve the interests of the business community in their regions.

586
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Speaker 3: So we can't expect politicians to do the things that

587
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Speaker 3: we want them to do until we've figured out how

588
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Speaker 3: business can be better for people and better for the planet.

589
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Speaker 1: I love this. There's this book and it's I think

590
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Speaker 1: it's called kind Kindness is the new call for from

591
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Speaker 1: a business perspective. And also correct me if I'm wrong.

592
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Speaker 1: But like that millennial generation, apparently I'm a cusp, but

593
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Speaker 1: a whole claimant, But they care when they spend money.

594
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Speaker 1: They care about the ethical impact, and they care about

595
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Speaker 1: like there's well you would know more of the brands

596
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: than I do, but like a lot of companies like

597
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Speaker 1: thank you, you know how there's the thank you like

598
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Speaker 1: hang and looking after people that are less kind of

599
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: like privilege. I'm speaking this in really bad terms, but

600
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, people that are struggling more

601
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Speaker 1: than we are. And you know, I think the who

602
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: gives a crap toilet paper, they're doing pretty awesome things.

603
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Speaker 1: And it's apparently that age group do care about where

604
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: they're putting in their money because they want to know,

605
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: because we want to feel good when we buy something

606
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Speaker 1: or we consume something. And just then, when you were

607
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Speaker 1: talking about food and like thinking about the effect that

608
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Speaker 1: your choice will have, it's so easy to play and

609
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Speaker 1: as a nutritionist, it's so easy to play that unconsciously,

610
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Speaker 1: even for me. But I know when I'm feeling like

611
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Speaker 1: really clear and on with the way that I live,

612
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Speaker 1: Like I know where the sustainable butcher is near my house.

613
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Speaker 1: I know when I ask the right questions to a fishmonger,

614
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Speaker 1: I can find out, you know, what fish has been

615
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Speaker 1: sustainably sourced and what fish hasn't Like I you do

616
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: need to become a bit of a detective. But once

617
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: you've done that hard work, it actually becomes quite easy

618
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Speaker 1: and it's less of a choice and more of a lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's like absolutely.

620
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Speaker 3: And so those examples of social enterprises or businesses that

621
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 3: are you know, they're prioritizing environmental and social positive impacts

622
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: over profit. That has to be the future because, like

623
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 3: you've identified, the millennials and everyone that's coming behind them,

624
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 3: they do care, and it's going to be harder and harder,

625
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: not just to increase your customer base if you don't

626
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: prioritize these issues, but even trying to.

627
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Speaker 2: Get people to work for you.

628
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Speaker 3: A huge issue in some of the big multinationals now

629
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Speaker 3: is that they can't attract the best talent to come

630
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: and work for their companies unless they are shown that

631
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Speaker 3: they've actually got real and genuine values that don't cause

632
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: this deal of harm. So that's to be celebrated. I

633
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: think we do have to be a little bit cautious

634
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: here about you know, putting the lens and looking at

635
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: these planetary problems just through the highly advanced and developed

636
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: countries in the world, because there's obviously so many people

637
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: that live in the sort of underdeveloped world and they

638
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: probably don't think these luxury thoughts like Wes so of course,

639
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 3: but you know, that's why I think for me, the

640
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: world is essentially being led by the developed and the

641
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: advanced economies. We're the ones that have set up the

642
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: train of globalization. So if we can adjust it and

643
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 3: send it down the right track, then that's the thing

644
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: going to create the model that other countries will follow

645
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: through on. So yeah, it's just whether we can do

646
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: it in time. I suppose.

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Speaker 1: I love that though I've read that Take three has

648
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: been soaked up but not so tough. But you know,

649
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Speaker 1: there has been implemented in one hundred and twenty nine countries,

650
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Speaker 1: Is that right? What countries have been the most receptive

651
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,239
Speaker 1: that kind of were any of a surprise or were

652
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Speaker 1: there any countries that you're like, oh.

653
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, so that was some analysis that we had

654
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Speaker 3: performed by Facebook recently, who've been you know, really great

655
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: for us. You know, we know social media can be

656
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 3: can be used for bad, but for us, you know,

657
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: it really is the success stone for our whole organization

658
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: because we can just communicate with people all over the world.

659
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: So when we found out there was one hundred and

660
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: twenty nine countries, it obviously got us pretty excited using

661
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: the message. But yeah, Indonesia, Philippines like countries that you know.

662
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: I'd visited Indonesia in the early days in my twenties

663
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: going surfing, and that was almost where I was.

664
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: Like, oh my gosh, I don't want to be a

665
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: part of this.

666
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: I don't want to be a tourist in a country

667
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: that is treating the oceans so badly and destroying the environment.

668
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: But now you've got this huge upwelling of young people

669
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: who are using social media to see what problems are emerging.

670
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: They're connecting with other organizations like OWS, and now that's

671
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: the lightning rod for them to then go and create

672
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: their own initiatives. So I think that social media and

673
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: digital communications are going to be absolutely key to countering

674
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: environmental destruction and breeding environmental awareness and activism.

675
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: That's such a good way to look at social media too,

676
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: because we hear so much negative about social media, and

677
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: I know I get both negative and positive, but I

678
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: love that it can be used to spread and quite fast.

679
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: Like you said about the turtle, was it a video

680
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: with the straw that was viral, Like, there is the

681
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: power of spreading a message that can awaken so many people.

682
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: I read also that as the impact of Take three

683
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: ten million pieces removed annually. Yeah, of rubbish, Like that's

684
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: pretty incredible. Those stats are crazy, like in a good way.

685
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I'm so proud of that. That's essentially just

686
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: saying that even though when you go out and do

687
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: your Take three for the sea, it might literally just

688
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 3: be a few pieces in your hand or a couple

689
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 3: of handfuls or a bag, but it goes to show

690
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: that when many people do something small, a big impact happens.

691
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 2: And so that's why I think there's.

692
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: A lot more scope for Take three to grow and

693
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: achieve an impact globally. But as long as it's always

694
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: tracking towards the much more significant systemic changes that we

695
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 3: need to see because we cannot pick up trash to

696
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: solve this problem with plastic in the ocean. It needs

697
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 3: to be the catalyst for the significant change.

698
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 2: Gotcha.

699
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, has there been along the journey? Because I feel

700
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: like I just feel like failure is not a topic

701
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: for you. I feel like you because you've learnt so much.

702
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: I feel I think it's maybe because of your outlook.

703
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: You're learning and you're like, you've got such a clear

704
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: perspective of what you're doing, what you want to do,

705
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: where you're going, and the change that you want to create,

706
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: and your purpose is so clear, and yoga we call

707
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: it dharma and it's it's it's so clear. So like,

708
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: have there been any moments along the way opposite of failure,

709
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: like a pinch yourself moment where you're like, how did that?

710
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: How did that just happen? Or has there been it

711
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: might have been when you saw stats like that, or

712
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: have you been speaking in a conference somewhere you know,

713
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: in the world and you're just like, wow, like how

714
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: is this happening right now? Have you had any of those?

715
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: ID totally did not brief you on this, by way,

716
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm throwing a massive curve full at you.

717
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I'm really trying to think.

718
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that my sort of persona and

719
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: particularly when I'm in this space and I'm here speaking

720
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 3: today as this environmentalist on a very committed journey, and

721
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: that's a strategy.

722
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: Like if you're going.

723
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: To be an environmentalist and you're going to stand for something,

724
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 3: then you wear that as a nice little jacket and

725
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: you wear it around. It's this little thing that holds

726
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: you up against what you defend. So I don't know,

727
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 3: I think, and even coming here today like knowing that

728
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: the theme of the podcast is about how failure is

729
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 3: normal and how failure is part of life. To just

730
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: accept and incorporate into your stride and go and take

731
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 3: a bit of time out if you need to, and

732
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: then come back at it with a different lens, of

733
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: different perspective. But when it comes to my environmental life,

734
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 3: you know, I just I'm committed. I'm charging ahead, and

735
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 3: I think that the reason I can do that is

736
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: because it's so defensible. In my mind, is this philosophical

737
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: value I have around the need for humans to slap

738
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 3: themselves across the face and wake up to the reality

739
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 3: of what we're doing to our planet.

740
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: It's just so clear to me.

741
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 3: And so that's why I've got such a you know,

742
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: such a committed focus.

743
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: I love it. It's very inspiring. It is You're very

744
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: very inspiring. You're awesome human being. I could I almost

745
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: like want to bottle up that kind of because I

746
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: think as humans And I spoke to a neuro scientist

747
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: last week, and he said, like, our motivation wanes. That's

748
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: human nature. You start a project, you start something, you're

749
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: good for a while, and then you kind of it wanes.

750
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: And so because your purpose is so clear, it's like

751
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: it doesn't it's not even a motivation. Waning isn't even

752
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: really an option to feel. It's not something that happens

753
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: because you're clear on what you're doing and has it

754
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: And you don't have to answers if you don't want,

755
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: Like you're obviously so passionate about the cause, has it

756
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: ever had an impact in a negative way on any

757
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: other aspects of your life, like have you been away

758
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: from home for ages or has and you don't have

759
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: to answer if you don't one, but as private life

760
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: suffered at all because you're like, I know, when I

761
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: was like trying to really break TV and media and stuff,

762
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: like I was the shitters person personally because I was

763
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: so giving my life to this one project.

764
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think definitely.

765
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 3: Even last night, I was having a conversation with my

766
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: wife and she sort of made a comment. I can't

767
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: even remember the context of what we're talking about. She's like, oh,

768
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: but you know you do sometimes when you're in a

769
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 3: situation you're you know, you'll sort of fob someone off

770
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 3: or you you won't give them the time if they

771
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: don't have something to offer you and your environmental sort

772
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 3: of journey. And I was like, oh really, And I

773
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 3: guess I sort of then internalized and thought, okay, yeah,

774
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: I could see that, Like you know, and it's not

775
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: that I'm being intentionally selfish or or not very kind.

776
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 3: It's just that, like I do in those situations, I'm

777
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: so committed to the end goal that sure if you

778
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: haven't really got that much to offer me or I

779
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: don't do small talk honestly, people coming up to me

780
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: and like I don't.

781
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: I don't do like.

782
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 3: That traditional blokey kind of like let's just go and

783
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 3: sit down and say five words in five minutes and

784
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: just sort of not hit the deep issues like I

785
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: just I just want to get straight down to the

786
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: nitty gritty and talk about deep and complex things. So

787
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: I've probably missed out on a lot of great opportunities

788
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 3: to forge friendships or relationships as a result of that.

789
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 3: But that's just sort of my style way I do things.

790
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: I mean, the flip side of that is that you

791
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: don't have time for fake dingos, like that superficial layer

792
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: of when you and you know, like in Sydney as well,

793
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: you can go to an event or whether it be

794
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: work or some kind of campaign for something, and within

795
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: ten minutes I'll be like, oh god, it's a room

796
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: full of sharks and I mean like people, sharks that

797
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: want something from you and doesn't feel real and it

798
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: feels a bit fake and it feels a bit superficial,

799
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm out of here and it's not

800
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: So I can relate to that because you're clear on

801
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: your mission and you're like, shit, like, I don't really

802
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: have time for fake stuff. I know what I need

803
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: to do and I'm clear about it. So I kind

804
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: of see it as a positive random question of you

805
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: are virgo.

806
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: No, I'm a cancer?

807
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: Are you a cancrean wa a sign hence why you

808
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: love the ocean, But it also means not to psychoanalyze

809
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: you at all here. But generally Cancerrians like their close

810
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: knit and that's plenty. You don't need to have fifty

811
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: million other other mates. But there is a mutual friend

812
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: that we have, guy Vonda Harvest, and he always has

813
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: spoken so highly of you. But he's the same. He's

814
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: real deal. He doesn't muck around with small talk like

815
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: he's just a straight real When I say, like straight up,

816
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: what you see from him is just like what you

817
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: get real. And I think that that also is translating

818
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: so nicely in your business. And you've got a career

819
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: in this, do you know what I mean? Like, because

820
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: you're real, And I think that that's should be something

821
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: that's a hallmark, like a value system that I just.

822
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: Love that we're Also we're all so different, you know.

823
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: And for me, this approach that I've adopted and me

824
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 3: being a very sort of steady sort of ship heading

825
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 3: towards a destination, it really works well for me. But

826
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 3: I just love that we're all such a diverse and

827
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: dynamic and different bunch of people operating in this planet.

828
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: And you know, I love that your podcast like this,

829
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: it can start to just unpack and explore all those

830
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 3: beautiful differences that we all have.

831
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that maybe you should have been called

832
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: beautiful differences. So okay, so you've shared so much wonderful

833
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: stuff and only speak about what your company, speaking about

834
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: what's next, like what's next on the cards for you?

835
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: I think it's always important to do a bit of

836
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: a stock take of where you're at, what you've achieved,

837
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 3: and what comes next, particularly if you're like me and

838
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: you have set out in that ship heading towards a destination,

839
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: so you know, ten years for take three as a

840
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: pivotal moment, I can't quite believe I've essentially invested all

841
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: my entire thirties in building this charity, and of course

842
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: happy with what it's been able to achieve. But I

843
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: think there's so much more for me to explore. So

844
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 3: the next realm, as I sort of alluded to before,

845
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 3: is really interestingly looking at how we can actually answer

846
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: that question, can business be good for the planet? I

847
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 3: really think we need to test that one because it's

848
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 3: it's a capitalistic driven society. We have this need for

849
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 3: perpetual economic growth, and if we do just keep going

850
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: on this business as usual path, then the environment and

851
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: the people will suffer very very quickly. So I want

852
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: to go out into that domain and really start testing

853
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 3: that can we actually build a new generation of businesses

854
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 3: that can show us that you can be good?

855
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: And then that.

856
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: Will hopefully then dictate how politics can be good. So

857
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 3: I actually think about like I wouldn't be surprised if

858
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 3: I spend my entire forties exploring the role of business.

859
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't be surprised if by the time I'm fifty,

860
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: if the world has adjusted politics.

861
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: Enough that I might be interested.

862
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: Then who knows it could be. But politics needs to

863
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: change because politics at the moment is an absolute debarcle.

864
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: It's a it's a shit fight, and I wouldn't go

865
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: near it. So it needs to change, and maybe it can.

866
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: If humans can find a way of educating ourselves enough

867
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: on the you know, the perils of our and our flaws,

868
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 3: then maybe we can have a new generation of politics that.

869
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: I'd vote for. You.

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Speaker 2: Oh thanks mate.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, as you were as you were speaking, I was like,

872
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Speaker 1: you've got to go into politics. It's got to go

873
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: because if you can make change from high, you know

874
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like you imagine having someone like you

875
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: in power or like or having been able to look

876
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: after making big decisions, making quick decisions making because it

877
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Speaker 1: does it does feel like like it almost was like

878
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: take three. You've started at a micro level where we

879
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: all can do one single thing and like, you know,

880
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: you can do this podcast and it can hit I

881
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: don't know five thousand people. Whatever it hits, you know

882
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: like it or you can, and then you know you

883
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: can explore them. The next leave love is business the

884
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: bigger guys. There's more money to play with as far

885
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: as like, you know, you can be doing that in

886
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: that way, you can make a big change in one swoop,

887
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Speaker 1: and then the phase after that to me naturally feels

888
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Speaker 1: like you should be in charge of our country about that.

889
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think you get it.

890
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: You get the idea that you know, there's levels that

891
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 3: we need to affect here and the ultimate is politics,

892
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: and it's just a real shame I suppose that at

893
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: the moment. And your flip side of that is that

894
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 3: you know, politics aren't really servicing the needs of people

895
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 3: on the planet, and so whatever it's going to say,

896
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: what's the long game that's going to get to that

897
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: point where we actually can have that, Because once upon

898
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Speaker 3: a time, I think there was real leadership around environmental issues,

899
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: but it feels like it's not even on the playing

900
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Speaker 3: field at the moment. It's not even on the radar

901
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: for a lot of these politicians, which is really really bleak.

902
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: It's then you but that's when I come back to

903
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: the artists and like you've got your Dave Rasvich doing

904
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: the Cove, You've got Blackfish in America, Like you've got

905
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: people doing like there are artists that are putting their

906
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 1: name even and this is a little bit off topic,

907
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: but even your Lenaro DiCaprio is doing blood diamond like

908
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: conflict Diamonds like that shit's real. Like that's great, And

909
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: I think that that's where the artists have got power,

910
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: because you're hitting a lot of people and the and yeah,

911
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: having social messages that are visual as well is powerful,

912
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: I think even and you will probably agree with me here.

913
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Speaker 1: I bet you get a lot of feedback, especially when

914
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: you do talks, when those slides come up where a

915
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: baby albatross or something is like got all in the

916
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: you know the photos where the bellies are open and

917
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: it's just like a crazy amount of plastic inside, and

918
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: that causes I don't know if it's because people see it,

919
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: but it causes a feeling where you're like, oh, God,

920
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to have any impact on that.

921
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Speaker 1: I don't want in a negative way, like I do

922
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Speaker 1: not want that to be my little bit of plastic

923
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Speaker 1: lid from something that I threw in the water. And

924
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: I remember you saying when you were I think standing

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Speaker 1: on that garbage island in Hawaii, like I picked up

926
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Speaker 1: something and this could have been mine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like, So.

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Speaker 1: There's something about when you see it and when you

929
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Speaker 1: feel And that's where I guess a big business is

930
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: powerful too, because they have the resources to spread a

931
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Speaker 1: big message fast if they want to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think back to your point about arts

933
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: as well, is that you know, we're all we've all

934
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: got so much capacity to have an impact on our

935
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 3: sphere of influence. And if you're an artist or a

936
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 3: celebrity like Leo DiCaprio, your sphere of influence is immense.

937
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 3: But if you're someone listening to this and you've got

938
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 3: a handful of friends, or you interact in a small community,

939
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: that's still a sphere of influence around you. So never ever,

940
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: ever underestimate what you standing for something in that sphere

941
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 3: of influence will mean, because people watch each other and

942
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: people talk about each other, and so yeah, whatever levers

943
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: you've got in your control, you may not be like

944
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: me and willing to have committed your entire life to

945
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: further in something like the environment, but you can stand

946
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 3: for something and make an impact.

947
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: And like you said, vote with your dollar. Yeah, Like,

948
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: if you want to have an impact as of the

949
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: moment that you hear this podcast, from this moment forward,

950
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: just think about when you buy something. It's pretty powerful

951
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: and it doesn't cost you anything to just make that

952
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: change in your mind, Like it's just a choice.

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Speaker 3: And even better if there's a whole new generation of

954
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 3: businesses out there who make that so easy. If you

955
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 3: know that when you buy that, who gives a crap?

956
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 3: Or that thank You group or the you know, the

957
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 3: B Corps certified business, you know by buying that that

958
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 3: you're voting for the future that you want to see.

959
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Speaker 1: I love that. Oh you've ended it so well. I

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00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 1: was like I was going to ask for one little

961
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: take home, but you're talking about voting for the future

962
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: that you want to see. Is there one last thing?

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00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: Is there anything you want to leave with listeners? Just

964
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: like whether it be simply like take three for the

965
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: CEA or is it just like start living really consciously?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that it's very important maybe in

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00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 3: this con right now. I know that the more we

968
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: know about these problems, the harder it can feel too

969
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: to respond and to internalize those There's a lot of

970
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: conversation at the moment about eco anxiety and people are

971
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: really feeling quite challenged about the predicament for the future.

972
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Speaker 3: But I think you know, hope is a strategy, and

973
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Speaker 3: so if you really do care about making a difference,

974
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Speaker 3: center and surround yourself or communicate with or listen to

975
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Speaker 3: those people who do maintain that sense of hope and optimism,

976
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 3: because I do worry that if you if you lose

977
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 3: that sense of hope and optimism, it can be really

978
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Speaker 3: really hard. So unfortunate I can. I can tap into

979
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 3: that glass half full because I've made this commitment. But

980
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: you know, if that's you and you're feeling a bit

981
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 3: struggling out there, like, seek that help from others around you,

982
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: because we need people to be positive and optimistic if

983
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Speaker 3: we're going to challenge this. You know, this, this this

984
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: big problem that we have ahead.

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Speaker 1: I love it, Hope. Thank you so much. Thanks Tim,

986
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Speaker 1: your champ. Everybody all do tags and instas and everything

987
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Speaker 1: take three for you as well. So timsil Wood, take

988
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Speaker 1: three for the sea everyone. You're incredible and it's been

989
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Speaker 1: an honor to have you here today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lolla Berry. This potty my

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Speaker 1: word for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd

995
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