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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the mornings.

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Speaker 2: The last time I went to the Mardi Gras was

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Speaker 2: in the eighties, and every year I make a concerted

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Speaker 2: effort to go to the Mardi Gras. And I was

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Speaker 2: at a twenty first on Saturday afternoon and my daughter

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Speaker 2: was going to the Mardi Gras, and the talk around

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Speaker 2: the table became, we should go to the Mardi Gras. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's go to the Mardi Gras. Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it, Let's make it happen. We'll get on

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Speaker 2: the train and we'll go to the Mardi Gras. And

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Speaker 2: then the birthday cake came out, and then everyone sort

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Speaker 2: of lost interest.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I first I went to Union Bathtist

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Speaker 1: came home and I'd grown up, as you know, in Beecroft,

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Speaker 1: and I moved into a flat with my friend a Lisha,

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Speaker 1: who I met at Simon Townsend's Wonderworld. And we got

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Speaker 1: a flat just in Moore Park Road, Justney Centennial Park.

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Speaker 1: It was I was living in the center of the universe.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And my dad dropped me there the first time. I

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Speaker 1: moved in with my milk crate full of records and

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Speaker 1: a couple of my clothes, the thing I was moving in,

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Speaker 1: and he dropped me there the morning after Mardi Gras.

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Speaker 1: So we're driving through the streets as men in bumless

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Speaker 1: chaps were holding hands and walking down the street. And

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Speaker 1: I said to Dad, I don't think it's like this

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Speaker 1: every day, but it's interesting living there near Mardi Gras.

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Speaker 1: We used to get things in the mailbox from Fred

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Speaker 1: Nile in those days, urging people to wash their cars

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Speaker 1: because that would make it rain, and therefore it would

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Speaker 1: wash out the parade.

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Speaker 2: Wash out the parade.

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Speaker 1: Extraordinary, isn't it. And so it is, as you say,

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Speaker 1: it's a rite of passage to go and watch the

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Speaker 1: Mardi Gras in your own city.

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 1: And Jack on Saturday night within I think he was

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Speaker 1: just ended up in Hyde Park, couldn't see anything. He said,

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Speaker 1: there were number of fights he saw between he said,

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Speaker 1: between older people. I thought middle aged men are fighting.

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Speaker 1: He said no, he said, no, nineteen year old. That's

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Speaker 1: Jack's version of older.

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Speaker 2: When you're seventeen, that's middle aged.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Sam Smith was the performer, I guess of

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Speaker 1: the Marti Gras. You may know Sam Smith. This is

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Speaker 1: Sam Smith, beautiful, extraordinary, gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: He likes a high pant.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have to say, they like a high pant.

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Speaker 1: Sam Smith, what is it a band?

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Speaker 2: Is it like?

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Speaker 1: No? Like steely?

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Speaker 2: Dan?

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Speaker 1: Sam Smith?

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Speaker 2: One guy?

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Speaker 1: Yes, they is one guy.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: It's very confusing. Sam Smith is non binary and has

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Speaker 1: asked that their personal pronoun is not he or him,

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Speaker 1: but is they? So you know, I saw Courtneyac's Instagram

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Speaker 1: and she was saying Sam was radiating joy in their performance.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a typo, but they, Sam says. All

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Speaker 1: I can say is when people use my pronouns correctly,

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Speaker 1: it's a wonderful feeling. I feel safe, I feel happy,

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Speaker 1: I feel completely seen. But it's hard, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: That is hard? I got no time.

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Speaker 1: But even Sam says, even Sam, as you know, I've

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Speaker 1: been called he and him twenty seven years in my life.

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Speaker 1: I understand if people are going to slip up, but

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Speaker 1: they appreciate it. When people make the effort.

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Speaker 2: Well they wear very high pants, is what I noticed.

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Speaker 1: Brendan. You're making the effort, and the effort there you

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Speaker 1: go join the and Amanda in the morning at one

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Speaker 1: point seven, tell you f