1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Josh Miller's 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: bizarre ads campaign with Sun Harvey sparks backlash, Influencer Integrity 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: is in the spotlight, as Sarah's Day parts ways with 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: a long standing sponsor, and Our Friday Debrief. But first, 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: Sophie Kasha has surprised her followers by announcing the arrival 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: of her baby girl. She first broke the news on 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: her Instagram story, sharing a polaroid of her kids, Bobby 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: and Flossy meeting the baby for the first time. Underneath it, 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: she simply wrote the date, which was the twenty eighth 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: of January. She followed it up by sharing a very 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: cute video of her breaking the news to her sisters 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: via FaceTime. And she was supposed to be at her 15 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: sister's birthday celebrations, but she went into labor, so she 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: said it was an early birthday present for the Aunties. 17 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: Let's throw to the clip. Oh my god, what I 18 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: look at that? Immy? As well? Is mum really not 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: seeing my Mum's actually saying you could tell that they 20 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: knew something was up. Now. A day later, Sophie revealed 21 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: the name and also released a carousel of black and 22 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: white images from the hospital, and some of the photos 23 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: appeared to be taken during Sophie's labor, which showed Sophie 24 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: and her new girlfriend, Mattie kissing, and also Maddie hugging 25 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: Flossy following the baby's arrival. I think that speaks volumes. 26 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: It shows how much involvement Mattie is hoping to have 27 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: in this child's life, and I think it cements how 28 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: strong their relationship is. I mean, last week we spoke 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: about that Q and A that Sophie and Maddie put out. 30 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: M Yeah, the photos are really beautiful, and I think 31 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: it shows the connection that Maddie already has with Sophie's kids. 32 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: I've been really curious to see what name Sophie would choose, 33 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: and that is because she created headlines when she gave 34 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: birth to her daughter, Florence a number of years ago, 35 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: because Florence was originally called Betty Margaret, and two weeks later, 36 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: Sophie admitted that she wasn't sure about the name, so 37 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: she changed it to Florence Betty instead. A lot of 38 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 1: celebrities do this, remember Kylie Jennef. Do you think it's 39 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: because influences and celebrities feel this pressure to announce it 40 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: to their audience straight away. So some parents will actually 41 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: take a couple of weeks until they officially announce a name. 42 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: But because they have currency and there's prominence in announcing 43 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: the birth quickly, they might jump to a decision. They're 44 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: not entirely happy. You do have to make a decision 45 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: quite quickly because you need to put it on the 46 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: birth certificate. I just think it's a case where this 47 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: happens more than you realize. I think a lot of 48 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: people often have a name in mind for their child, 49 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: but then when the child comes out, they're like, wait 50 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: a second, this kid does not look like a Betty. 51 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: Like it just doesn't work. I fear that that will 52 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: be me. I always change my mind in the side. 53 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: You're the sort of person you always buy something from 54 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: the shops and we be the best thing ever, and 55 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: then two weeks later you're like, I'm not wearing it. 56 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: Car't despise So I'd never get a tattoo because I 57 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: would change my mind. Now we have been holding off 58 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: on this name. The name is esmey Sophie Sure. All 59 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: I can think of was the brand as May. When 60 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: I saw this announcement, someone did put this in our 61 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: group and a lot of people jumped to Sophie's defense, 62 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: saying this is a beautiful French name and it's not 63 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: fair too. I mean, I think this listener made a 64 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: joke saying, oh, she clearly wants a sponsorship with ESME. 65 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's the least of what she's thinking now. 66 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: Oh but I mean it's It's always a bonus, isn't it. Yeah, 67 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: just for an influencer again, esme sponsorship. Yeah, well, she 68 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: wrote on Instagram, Esme Sophie Sure joined our world on 69 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: the twenty eighth of Jan at five point fifty eight, 70 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: watched on by her amazing big brother and sister. My 71 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: dream experience to have them there and now diving deep 72 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: into my love bubble. And I really like that she's 73 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: given her second daughter her name as the middle name 74 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: Pille because she has decided to do this on her own. 75 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: I think that's a really special decision. Do you think 76 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: she's going to be going back to her maiden name 77 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: of Shaw. I feel like. Legally she probably is known 78 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: as Sophie Shaw, but Sophie Kaisha is almost like her 79 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: stage name, particularly because her pajama name is called Kasha Pajamas. 80 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: It'd be very confusing if she changed her Instagram handle over. 81 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: I wonder if Sarah's day is spewing, because I know 82 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: often we joke about the fact that Sarah might have 83 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: a fourth baby. She said she's only wants three, but 84 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: we know that she does want a daughter, and she 85 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: does have a thing for naming her kids after brands, 86 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: and she has a long running alignment with esme Maybe 87 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: that was her baby girl's name. Well, she's definitely not 88 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: going to call her future daughter Esmee now because she 89 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: likes to be unique, and this name has now been taken. 90 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: What is it? I wor we got for Brecky. Look 91 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: at that babe, Everything we need for a poor some breakfast. 92 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: A paid ads campaign created by staf Claire Smith's husband 93 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: Josh Miller for Uber Eats is generating attention online, but 94 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: for all the wrong reasons. While the TikTok video promoting 95 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 1: Uber Eats's new Kid's breakfast box garnered over one point 96 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: four million views, comments had to be disabled as followers 97 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: were distracted by the couple's comical attempts to conceal their 98 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: son's face throughout the ad, leading many into question if 99 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: privacy is paramount, why include their three year old in 100 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: brand deals at all? Now? So, can you bring us 101 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: up to speed about the couple's backflip on privacy. Yeah, Well, 102 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: late last year, Steph and her husband Josh spoke in 103 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: depth about their decision to no longer show their son 104 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: Harvey's face online. And this decision came after he started 105 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 1: to be recognized in public even when he wasn't out 106 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: with his famous parents, so he was approached by fans 107 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: whilst he was on a childcare excursion and also when 108 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: he was out with different family members. That would be 109 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: really scary as both a parent and also for Harvey 110 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: to have complete strangers come out up talking to you. 111 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's obviously a safety concern. Well, in this case, 112 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: luckily it was just fans of Steph who approached Harvey 113 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: to say hello, But it did open Josh and Steph's 114 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: eyes to the fact that people with not so good 115 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: intentions could also approach Harvey, and their decision to start 116 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: concealing Harvey's face was really big for the couple because 117 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: Harvey regularly featured on both of his parents' social media accounts, 118 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: and that's why I think it was really jarring when 119 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: Steph and Josh started sharing these videos of Harvey where 120 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: he had a big emoji over his face or it 121 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: was pixelated, especially considering old content of Harvey still remained 122 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: on Steph's social media account. I think a lot of 123 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: people were confused because they thought, oh, step and Josh 124 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: are just going to stop sharing Harvey altogether, but they 125 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: their idea was, no, we're still going to share him, 126 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: but we're just going to pixelate his image, and they 127 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: also still share about him as if he's a main character. 128 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: I know recently Steph has been sharing sort of chronicles 129 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: of his sleeping patterns and how she keeps getting woken 130 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night, and it is 131 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: something that a lot of parents relate to. But it's 132 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: an interesting move when you are wanting to have a 133 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: level of privacy for your son, but then you're still 134 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: sharing intimate details about their tantrums or what different milestones 135 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: they're in now. Steph did explain at the time that 136 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: she wouldn't be removing old content of Harvey, but going forward, 137 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: they would no longer share his face because his facial 138 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: features were becoming more recognizable. Well, I can totally understand 139 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: why Steph and joshuad want to stop sharing Harvey's face, 140 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of people applauded their decision to do so. 141 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: And this is why a lot of followers were surprised 142 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: this week to see Josh accept a sponsorship deal with 143 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: Uber Eats, which featured Harvey heavily in the video. Now, 144 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: the ad was promoting Uber Eats's new kids breakfast boxes 145 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: and it showed Josh and Harvey unboxing all of the 146 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: ingredients and cooking up the omelet together. And I have 147 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: to say this video was very creatively shot, because I'll 148 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: give it to the couple. They stuck to their guns 149 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: and they didn't include Harvey's face in the video. So 150 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: many of the shots of Josh and Harvey cooking were 151 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: filmed from overhead, from behind. They even used the Uber 152 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: Eats box and a vase of flowers to conceal his face, 153 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: which I have to admit I burst out laughing when 154 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: that's scene popped up. Look, I get what they're trying 155 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: to do, but it's getting to the point, as you said, 156 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: where it's just comical. You will almost looked like he 157 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: was part of some witness protection program because it showed 158 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: Harvey also playing with a toy that came in the 159 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: breakfast box, and every time he spun around, it would 160 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: cut to a new different shot of him to conceal 161 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: his face. Again, I understand what they're doing. I commend 162 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: them for doing it, but it just doesn't make sense 163 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: if you want to keep your son's life private, why 164 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: you would include him in sponsorship deals. And this video 165 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: elicited a huge response, so it quickly gained over one 166 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: point four million views, probably because all the comments were like, 167 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on in this video? The 168 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: last I was gonna say, you might think, oh, uber 169 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: Eats would be stoked with it, but it quickly became 170 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: apparent that a lot of followers were amused and distracted 171 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: by the level that the couple went to to hide 172 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: his face, and many also questioned why Josh and Steph 173 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: don't just keep their son off social media if they 174 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: want to maintain his privacy. Well, I would have liked 175 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: to have seen the reaction from the brand manager at 176 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: uber EA's getting this ad because if it was me, 177 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: I would have said, guys like, very creative, but this 178 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: is so distracting. It completely takes away from the messaging, 179 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: like the marketing messaging of uber e. But going into 180 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: that campaign, the manager would have full well known that 181 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: they didn't feel comfortable to show their son's face, so 182 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: they probably agreed on this. I mean, there are some 183 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: brand managers who were only keen on the stats, so 184 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: for them they would have been like, wow, this was 185 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: a win. We had one point four million views, we 186 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: had one hundred and eighty three cent. But they did 187 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: have to turn the comments on because it got out 188 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: of hand with people being like, what the fuck is 189 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: going on here? This is ridiculous. I mean that speaks 190 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: volumes the fact that the comments were turned off. It 191 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: reminds me of when Queensland influencer Courtney Mangnan and she's 192 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: a business owner of course as well friend of the 193 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: podcast Yes, when she spoke about a video which went 194 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: viral on TikTok of her So she had mentioned toblarone 195 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: the chocolate, but she had called it toblarone, which is 196 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: how my mother in law pronounced. I've heard a few 197 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: people say toblerone, but most people will say toblerone, and 198 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: the whole comment section was just field of people being like, oh, 199 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: it's toblerone. But she said that, Yes, this video got 200 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: over a million views, but it didn't actually translate to 201 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: anybody going over really to follow her page, and it 202 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: didn't really reach the people that would be interested in 203 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: her content. So I would argue that this has happened 204 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: with this video of Josh and his son. Yeah, it's 205 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: got one point four million views, but are these parents 206 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: who are wanting to buy this uber eats box or 207 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: are these people just poking fun at them? Yeah, you 208 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: would think that the success of an ad like this 209 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: would be pinned on actually seeing the excitement on the 210 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: child's face that you know, their reaction to the box. 211 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: So I'm surprised that uber eats would have agreed to 212 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: these terms. I want to share a few comments from 213 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: our Facebook community in response to this video. So One 214 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: listener wrote, I understand them not wanting to show the child, 215 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: but continuing to post the child daily and covering his 216 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: face is just silly to me. Just keep him off 217 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: social media entirely. Another said, so keen on their kids 218 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: privacy that is, until the right brand deal comes along, 219 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: whilst another said, imagine showing the child this ad down 220 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: the road and trying to explain to him Mum and 221 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: Dad needed the cash, but we didn't show your face 222 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: this time. At least if I was him at that point, 223 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: I'd be asking for the money. Do you think they 224 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: put it aside for him? Well, on the topic of money, 225 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: the first thing that sprung to mind was does Josh 226 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: really need the funds from this ad? Because it's pretty 227 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: well known how successful the couple is. I mean, Steph 228 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: was on the afr's Rich List. Yeah, it said that 229 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: her net worth was forty two million dollars, which it's 230 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: incredibly inspirational. The fact that she has been able to 231 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: grow her business, keep it cleaner, it's remarkable what she's done. Yeah, 232 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: So it just makes you think, I mean, I don't 233 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: know how much uber EAT's paid for this ad, but 234 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's worth it, especially because of 235 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: the backlash as well, with so many people commenting it's 236 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: very contradictory. You don't want to show your child off 237 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: on social media, but then it looks as if you're 238 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: prepared to actually use him in adverts. To make money. Yeah, 239 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: That's the thing that people can't get their head around 240 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: is why Harvey is still a permanent fixture on their 241 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: social media accounts. And the reason I think this is 242 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: for Steph is because she still wants to maintain a 243 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: certain positioning in the family space. For her, sharing about 244 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: being a mum comes naturally to her because she's had 245 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: her Instagram account for what like fifteen years, shares about 246 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: every facet of her life, and I think for her 247 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: it would feel suddenly unnatural to stop talking about one 248 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: of the biggest areas of your life. And I think 249 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: for her being a mum adds a certain level of 250 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: relatability with her audience. Unfortunately, they need to make a decision. 251 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: Are we going to continue to conceal his face or 252 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: are we sharing about him? You can't have you caked 253 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: either wall. We think it'll be interesting to see the 254 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: approach that they take when Steph gives birth to their 255 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: second child this year. It's interesting to look at Josh 256 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: and why he may be the one pushing to do 257 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: these advertisements with Harvey, Because for Josh, over the past 258 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: couple of years, he has built quite a name for 259 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: himself as a daddy influencer. So Josh is Harvey's primary 260 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: care and he has been staying at home with him 261 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: for most of Harvey's life. And on TikTok he markets 262 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: himself as a dadfluencer, so in his bio it says 263 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: just a dad doing his best. And in all of 264 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: his videos he uses hashtags like dads of TikTok, Kids 265 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: of TikTok, and toddlers of TikTok. And he has three 266 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: videos currently in to the top of his page and 267 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: his most viewed video has eighteen million views, and it 268 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: shows Harvey his face front and center, playing pictionary. Now, 269 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: the other pin videos show Josh making coffee with Harvey 270 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: again his face is visible and teaching Harvey matters. On 271 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: his TikTok, all of the videos with Harvey, his face 272 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: is front and center. Well, that's really how Josh's TikTok 273 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: grew because he used to share such cute content of 274 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: him making Harvey baby chee. They're very wholesome content. I 275 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: can see why it's gone on. And Harvey has appeared 276 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: in countless paid ads for Josh. The majority of Josh's 277 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: videos are paid partnerships and he's done very well with them, 278 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: like I was shocked to see how many of these 279 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: videos had millions of views, and I think it's because 280 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: we are crying out for daddy influences. And it's quite 281 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: interesting because when you look at some of the partners 282 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: that Josh and Harvey have worked with, they're pretty prominent 283 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: partners like just Jean's, Omo, Sunglasses, Heart and Cadbury, and 284 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: these videos have wrapped up massive views. So it's clear 285 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: that this was lucrative for Josh in a way, for 286 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: him to contribute financially to the family because he is 287 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: the soul at home care. And as you touched on, Amy, 288 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of discussion and a lot of 289 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: judgment on how much money does this couple need, and 290 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: I think it is a very valid question, particularly when 291 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: you are taking a stance on your son's privacy. But 292 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: that being said, maybe it is important for Josh to 293 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: feel like he's contributing financially and this is his creative 294 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: outlet and the way that he's doing so, and maybe 295 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: he feels like it's okay because he is hiding Harvey's face. 296 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: I just think they're going to have to make a 297 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: decision one way or another moving forward, because I don't 298 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: think brands are going to be coming forward seeing this 299 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: type of example video and going, yeah, we want to 300 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: pay you for a video where your son's head is 301 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: behind a bunch of flowers. Well, that's the thing I saw. 302 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: He recently did an ad for the Australian Open and 303 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: it only got a couple of hundred views. It seems 304 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: like the ads that perform really well are the father 305 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: son ads. So I think that they just need to 306 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: think about what their stance is on their son's privacy. 307 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: I think, are these videos really worth it? Are we 308 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: going to cop unnecessarily attention or flak over this. If 309 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: you've been following my vlogs and my inst stories, you'll 310 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: be familiar with my pink drink. I have it every 311 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: single morning before breakfast, before I ingest anything, and everyone 312 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: has been asking what it is. I've been like putting 313 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: sneaky clues out there. A debate about influencer integrity has 314 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: broken out in our Facebook community after one list of 315 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: pointed out that fitness influencer Sarah's Day no longer uses 316 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: her daily body bloom powder since parting ways with long 317 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: standing partner Trapeka a year ago. The revelation came about 318 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: when a follower asked, Sarah, do you still take your 319 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: body Bloom every morning? Sarah replied, I'm currently just taking 320 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: my probiotics. Tripeka and I went our separate ways over 321 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: a year ago. Unfortunately, I can't say more than that, 322 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: and she put two crying face emojis. That led another 323 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: follower to chime in, writing, how has your digestion been 324 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: since stopping body Bloom? I remember you swore by it 325 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: for your morning movements, Sarah. Sarah replied saying all good, 326 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: because now I'm on two different probotics for Harlow's reflux, 327 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: So my whole protocol now is really about him and 328 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with me, mum life at its core. 329 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: That's really a way of her answering the question but 330 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: not really addressing the issue, because I take from that, well, actually, 331 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: you could have just been taking a few probotics rather 332 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: than my very expensive body Bloom for the last couple 333 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: of years. Yeah. Now, this split from Trepeka has been 334 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: a pretty big deal for Sarah because she has been 335 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: working with them for over eight years, and I think 336 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: for Sarah, at the core of her success as and 337 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: influencer has really been the fact that she doesn't just 338 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: work with anyone and everyone. She's really known for aligning 339 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: herself with key sponsors who actually make sense to her 340 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: brand and who she can have a long standing relationship with. 341 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: She doesn't just flog any old shit. Yeah, she's not 342 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: just doing the teeth whitening ads. Yeah. And it's products 343 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: that you, as a consumer, you totally believe that she 344 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: actually uses. And when she was pregnant with her first child, Fox, 345 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: six years ago, that's when she actually launched body Bloom 346 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: through Trapeka, And at the time, she was very hands 347 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: on and she helped create the pink powder, which supposedly 348 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: provides support for healthy skin, nails, and hair and apparently 349 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: keeps you very regular with your movements. And I have 350 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: to say she really integrated this powder into her morning routine. 351 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: It would feature a lot in her Instagram stories and 352 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: her vlogs. You truly believed that she was invested in 353 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: this product. Well, you forget that it was an ad 354 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: because as you said, she would do it every morning, 355 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: So it genuinely seems like this is a product she uses, 356 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: this is part of her routine. You kind of forgot 357 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: that it even had her name on it. Because she 358 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 1: kind of just go on about the health benefits. Sarah 359 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: also has a habit of not really disclosing her paid partnerships, 360 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: and in the beginning, that's what all influencers did because 361 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: they didn't have the same rules and restrictions in place. 362 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: And that's why it's led a lot of consumers to 363 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: feel like she genuinely cares about these products. Because when 364 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: she was at the height of her fame, probably about 365 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: seven or eight years ago, she was synonymous with Tripeka 366 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: and also Loving Earth, and I remember going out and 367 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: buying Tripeka and Loving Earth, and a lot of people 368 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: have actually had the same experience where they've said I 369 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: actually tried it and I was like, this is revolting. 370 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: Like I remember, Sarah kept saying that one of the 371 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: powders tasted like caramel. It didn't taste like caramel. It 372 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: was a lot earthier than that. And some people might 373 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: really love the flavor, but when you're being sold that 374 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: this is like some kind of caramel smoothie. I used 375 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: Trapeka for quite a number of years, always thought it 376 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: tasted okay, but when you're being sold it's better than chocolate. 377 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: She made that brand, Yeah, she did, and they did 378 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: part ways in kind of mysterious circumstances. It was over 379 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: a year ago. Nothing was said, and you can see 380 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: that Sarah isn't actually allowed to speak about the departure. 381 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: And the thing is Tripeka has continued to sell body Bloom. 382 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: They just don't don't have Sarah's Day's name slapped on 383 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: the packaging anymore. And it does lead you to question 384 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: just how much she had to do with the creation 385 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: of this powder. Well, they wouldn't be stupid. They would 386 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: own the formula to this and they would have said, look, 387 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: regardless of how much involvement you've apparently had in the 388 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: creation of it, we own this product. We're using your 389 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: name for marketing pace. That's the thing. I think that 390 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: she still could have been part of the creation process 391 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: and maybe was involved in a couple of meetings where 392 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: she said, it's really important for me for this powder 393 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: to have X, Y and Z. But I don't think 394 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: she had as much involvement as she initially sold that 395 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: she did. Well, we've seen her creating a new perfume 396 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: and she might go in and say, I really like 397 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: this smell. But it's not that she's in the lab 398 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: and she's designing every signature cent Really, it's probably the 399 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: same with this. She know. What's quite interesting is that 400 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: over the past couple of weeks she has been subtly 401 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: dropping hints about a new pre workout drink. So there's 402 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: been no paid partnerships, no hashtag ads, but she's just 403 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: had a couple of videos of her stirring up another 404 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: powder in some of her water bottles before she works out. 405 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: So you're telling me now that we don't just suddenly 406 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: need a couple of probiotics, No, we now need a 407 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: pre workout drink. Where do you sound on this though? 408 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: How do you feel about Sarah no longer using body 409 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: Blue now that she's not being paid for it? I mean, 410 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: I obviously understand why she's not spooking it anymore because 411 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: she's not getting some kind of kickback from Trapeka to 412 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: do it. But it doesn't really make Sarah look good 413 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: because she has used this every day for six years 414 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: and then suddenly because her name's not on it, it's 415 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: not worthy of her using it because she has pushed 416 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: the benefits so much. It does make it look quite disingenuous. Yeah, 417 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I can see why you would be reluctant 418 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: to continue spooking a brand that maybe you finished on 419 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: a sour note with, even if you really like the product, 420 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: because let's be real, this isn't some sort of magical powder. 421 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: There's clearly a lot of other products on the market 422 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: that do the exact same thing. And if it was 423 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: me and I had this long standing partner she with 424 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: a brand and maybe though potentially were a jerk to 425 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: me or I was a jerk to them, I wouldn't 426 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: want to be promoting it. And we've got to remember 427 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: her social media is her business at the end of 428 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: the day. We're not going to be naive and think 429 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: that the reason she took all of this time to 430 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: capture body Bloom as part of her morning routine wasn't 431 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: because she was making money off it, like that's why 432 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: she was doing a lot of people genuinely thought in 433 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: the early days that she was a huge fan of Tripeka. 434 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: Maybe it started like that, maybe she started genuinely using 435 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: it and then they reached out for to I think 436 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: she genuinely did believe in the product and it was 437 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: a win win for her because here's this product that 438 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: contained certain ingredients that give her health benefits that she's 439 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: happy to use. But she's also making money off. If 440 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: you go back and look at her old videos, the 441 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: amount of times they were featured, like every vlog she 442 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: was making herself some kind of green powdery thing. She 443 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: was being paid, of course she was, but I spec 444 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: had off to her because she's fucking good at what 445 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: she does. She makes you buy in. I mean, she 446 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: did a marketing degree, I think for a term or 447 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: something when she left school, and I think that she 448 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: actually learned a lot during this course. She is a 449 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: fucking marketing whiz. People buy into whatever she's selling because 450 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: she actually sells it well. And I think that that 451 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: is a real talent in order to get people to 452 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: buy into your world, buy into what you're selling. It's 453 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: really interesting because this isn't the first time a product 454 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: has continued to be produced just without Sarah's name and branding. 455 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: Around five years ago, she brought out those natural deodorants 456 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: with Lebang. I used to buy those, and so you 457 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: bought it. You've brought into all of this, Yeah, but 458 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: oh I did, and I bought into the whole natural deodoran. 459 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: I still think that that's a good concept. Fuck I 460 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: stunk using it. My husband boyfriend at the time, had 461 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: to tell me to stop wearing it because he's like, 462 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but this just does not work. No. I know, 463 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: with natural deodorance, you do have to use them for 464 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks until they start being affected. And 465 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: it's interesting because le bang Body ended up splitting ways 466 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: with Sarah's Day, but they continue to sell this natural 467 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: deodor and I'd love to know the figures how much 468 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: money they're still making without Sarah's Day's name attached to her. Well, 469 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: I think it must be pretty successful because they're still 470 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: selling it. And at the time, unlike Drepeka, they actually 471 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: made it very public that they were parting ways with her, 472 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: and they ended up thanking her for taking a chance 473 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: on them. It was kind of awkward though, because they 474 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: did this gushy post about Sarah and she ended up 475 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: not liking it, not commenting on it, and making no 476 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: statement about le Bain going forward. So it wasn't the 477 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: whole marketing pitch about this is our end of like 478 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: collaboration with Sarah. Yeah, it was, it's like, let's get 479 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: rid of this shit and we're just going to put 480 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: our new logo on it. A couple of years ago, 481 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: Sarah did speak on her podcast about blacklisting brands that 482 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: she worked with in the past, and she blacklisted them 483 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: when things had turned sour, and he Housepan Kurt joked 484 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: that they should name and shame the brands then, and 485 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: they're on the podcast, but Sarah said she didn't want 486 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: to get sued. And she went on to say that 487 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: one brand in question and treated her like a punching bag, 488 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: and she was encouraged by friends to take legal action 489 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: for money that they owed her. It's pretty out there 490 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: for her to actually say these kinds of comments because, 491 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: as we touched on, she doesn't work with that many sponsors, 492 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: so you could whittle it down to a number of 493 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: the brands that she's worked with over the years. I 494 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: found this line quite interesting. She also said that she 495 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: ends up trying to seek revenge on brands that she 496 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: parts ways with by dominating the competition. So maybe I 497 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: kind of like that. I do like that too. Maybe 498 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: that's why she's releasing this new pre workout drink. She's like, 499 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's her own project that she's going to 500 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: do solely her. I'd love to know how Georgie Stevenson 501 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: feels about that because she of course has Naked Harvest, 502 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: which is doing exceptionally well. Well, it's the perfect time 503 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,719 Speaker 1: for her to release it, because she's finally about to 504 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: release her pregnancy ebook as well. Well, you'd hope if 505 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: Sarah brings out a pre workout drink she focuses a 506 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: lot on the taste of it, because Naked Harvests are 507 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: one brand that I have used and they actually do 508 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: days really yummy. Well, Sophie, let's get into our Friday debrief, 509 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: and I want to kick things off with it's more 510 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: of a Friday frustration. So, as a lot of listeners 511 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: will know, I got married last year in January, and 512 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: I'm yet to change my last name. You haven't either. 513 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: It's more out of laziness than anything else. It just 514 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: seems like a big job to do and one that 515 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: I can't be bothered to do right now. Well, I 516 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: only got my ass into gear because I'm having a 517 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: baby in April and I really want to have the 518 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: same name as my child, and I want that last 519 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: name to simply be Humphreys. So Dale's last name is 520 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: Spurway Humphreys. However, I've just discovered that now I've got 521 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: to jump through hoops because I can't just obtain a 522 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: marriage certificate. Apparently I've got to go through the full 523 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: legal name change because you can't just take one of 524 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: your partner's names. That seems absurd to me. I think 525 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: if they have a double barrel name, you should just 526 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: be able to take one of those names. The stupid 527 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: thing is I could extend the last name quite easily 528 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: and go Spaway Humphreys Toll, but that's allowed. But I 529 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: can't just take one of the days. That's just fucking stupid. 530 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry for anyone if they have a three barrel name, 531 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: but I mean Dale can barely fit his name on 532 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: a passport. Imagine trying to fit Taba on there as well. 533 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: On his driver's license, they actually have to shrink his 534 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: full name down because he's also got two middle names. 535 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: And I just see why. I just want my child 536 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: to have the last name Humphreys. And if your child 537 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: is going to have a double barreled name, you would 538 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: like it to be your maiden name and only one 539 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: of your husband's. Last night, I was smoking with Dale 540 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: because I'm like, if my last name is now officially 541 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: Humphreys and the baby's last name is Humphreys. It almost 542 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: looks as if he's then taken on my last name. 543 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: I've got another share for you, Sophie, because Kate's away. 544 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: So this morning I went into my midwife appointment, and 545 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: anyone who has been knows that you have to give 546 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 1: a few identifying details when you check in to your 547 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: midwife appointments. So normally they say, oh, tell me your address, 548 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: what's your date of birth, et cetera. Today I was 549 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: asked a number of questions, and one of them included, 550 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: are you married? I nearly fell out of my chair 551 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: because when I enrolled into this hospital, they actually asked 552 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: me that already over the phone. Oh are you married? 553 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: What's the name of your husband? And I just thought 554 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: this is so irrelevant. But also is that because your 555 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: husband actually couldn't make that appointment? So you were there 556 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: on your own? Yeah? Yeah, I was there on my own? 557 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: But is that why they asked? I don't know. No, 558 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: I've never I have never been asked, even if I've 559 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: been by myself other times. Do you have a husband? 560 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: I was asked the first midwife appointment I went to 561 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: if I was married? And my husband was standing right 562 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: next to me, and I'm like yeah to him. But again, 563 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: as you say, why does it matter? It just I 564 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: don't know. It came across as really judgmental, I think 565 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: because the woman was also a bit older. And what 566 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: though it's probably just a guideline, I have to ask, 567 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: because I don't what has that got to do with anything? Well, 568 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: I just get youshed to show you fucking id and 569 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: but I call this is the person? Why is it? 570 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: All these random questions. It just made me feel comfortable 571 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: because I thought if I came in there and I 572 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: was feeling self conscious, or maybe I was doing this 573 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: on my own, or my husband had passed away, or 574 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's quite a triggering question to be like, 575 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: and are you married while you're standing there heavily pregnant. 576 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: I just thought it was a bit off. If there's 577 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: anyone working in the health system that knows the answer 578 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: to this question hit us up in our DMS, well, 579 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: I had a bit of a win this week. I 580 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: have spent most of my nights searching for prints online 581 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: because I am doing up my laundrym at the moment 582 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: and I really am going for this Mediterranean feel. I'm 583 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: such a basic bitch. I think I literally have the 584 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: same print that most people have. It's of Chinkwitira. I 585 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: ordered this print Amy, I didn't realize you actually had 586 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: a very similar one in your whole way. Be fair. 587 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: Most people who have European prints, they go for the 588 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: Amalfi Coast. I went with Chanquitera because I went there 589 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: on holiday. Well, I went with it because I like 590 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: the colors. Because you were like, I feel like you're 591 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: fraud because I've not actually been well, well, that was 592 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: my husband's argument. He said he didn't want the European 593 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: Prince because he only wants to have prints up of 594 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: where we've been. And I said, but we've only been 595 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: to Malaysia and Bali and Singapore. Port Hughes Poor Douglas 596 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: now and I'm like, I don't really want that in 597 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: my house. And our theme for a house is Mediterranean. 598 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: I have been reading too many things on interior design 599 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: and they say that you have to have three key 600 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: colors if you want your house to look really cool. Well, 601 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: we heard the other week now Kate's been scoffing about this. 602 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: How you said that you wanted your house to be 603 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: more like Yeah, she paid me out last week about that. 604 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: But my three key colors are pink, orange, and potentially yellow, 605 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: which is my favorite color, and I process to all 606 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: have those colors in them and be bright because everything 607 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: else is white. I was going to say, does that 608 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: mean you're like a lot of people who are now 609 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: ditching that beige aesthetic and they're going for pops of 610 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: color that seems to be the trend. Now, well, I'm 611 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: keeping everything white, as in the walls and most of 612 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: the furniture is white and the rugs. But yeah, I'm 613 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: having these hoops of color. Anyway. I have been so 614 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: excited for this print to arrive, and I have copied 615 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: you and bought some beautiful frames from Freedom and I 616 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: was so excited to put it in the frame see 617 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: what it looked like. And I realized that I ordered 618 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: an A one print but I had the border around it, 619 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: and I was like fuck. I was like, is this 620 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: my fault? I think it was my fault, but I 621 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: contacted print place say was it my fault? I've actually 622 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: started to create a list of things, like silly things 623 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: that you've blamed me for during I like today lists, 624 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: don't you. Yeah. So one of them has been that 625 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: you wrung me up and blamed me because I told 626 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: you to get it printed a one. I was like, 627 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: how on earth has this print called? I was concerned 628 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: that you led me up the garden path with the frames. Anyway, 629 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: the place I got them printed at was really amazing. 630 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: It's his store in Melbourne and it was clearly my fault. 631 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: They were so apologetic. They instantly said we will print 632 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: you a new one without the border straight away. I 633 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: literally had it the next day. I was so impressed. 634 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: But now I'm on the hunt to find two more. 635 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: You pin Mediterranean spired princes. Wait, wait, did you get 636 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: it from what's it called? Etsy? No? It was from 637 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: an actual art house, so yeah, that they printed it. 638 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: I chose the design from the art house. Yes, it's 639 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: from inca art house. They have all the different designs. 640 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: I've told you. You go on Etsy, you pay for 641 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,959 Speaker 1: the I liked the colors in this one. They were 642 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: so much bright, exactly, it's brighter than yours. Have you 643 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: seen how bright the colors are? Anyway, So if anyone 644 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: has any cool basic bitch European prints that I should 645 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: be getting because I just can't decide what goes together, 646 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: and I'm stretching out paid for the print. It was 647 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: forty percent off, so I paid seventy two dollars for 648 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: it to be printed. And the design Oh okay, well 649 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: that's not too bad. Yeah, I'm just I wish they 650 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: had more of them. But I just want something with 651 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: the pop of color. If anyone can help me out, 652 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: who's cooler? The man knows what looks good in houses? Well, 653 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: I could always send you the prints that I already 654 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: have up in the house. No, it's something a bit different. 655 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: I haven't been to Venice. I don't have the emotional 656 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: connection with that. I'm thinking more about Fia. Well, I 657 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: think that's all we've got time for today. Thank you 658 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: for listening to another episode of Outspoken, And if you 659 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: haven't already, we would really appreciate if you could leave 660 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: us a five star review because that really is the 661 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: only way that the podcast grows, and we really appreciate 662 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: those people who have left us really nice reviews. Yeah, 663 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: and I want to put some positive thoughts out for Kate. 664 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: She isn't in today's show because she is dealing with 665 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: a snake situation in which we did speak about on 666 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: our Subs episode. There was a snake that turned up 667 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: at her house. I think over the weekend, and they've 668 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: got been very hot, and Kate lives up in the hills. 669 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: So unfortunately, yes, a brown snap, well a suspected brown 670 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: snake was in her yard hiding in some of the 671 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: rocks out there. So they got a snake catcher in 672 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: and basically he has set up this large net and 673 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: they have been waiting for days for this thing to 674 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: come out, and Kate has two large golden retrievers. It's 675 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: all been a bit of a nightmare, having a baby 676 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: and dealing with it all. To be honest, I think 677 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: that that snake is long gone. I think it has 678 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: borrowed its way out somewhere else. I love how because 679 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: it was Kate's husban re that spotted the snake, but 680 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: because it hasn't emerged, I think he started second guessing 681 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: himself because he now said, oh, maybe it was just 682 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: like a really large lizard with a long tail. So 683 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: she will be back next week, Yes she will. Before 684 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: we go, I also want to point out that we 685 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: are across the evolving story that is happening at the 686 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: moment between Mikayla Tester and Anna Paul. We decided that 687 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: We wanted to give the story a bit of space 688 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: so that Anna has a ride of reply. We will 689 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: be covering the story in depth though on Tuesday's episode. 690 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the 691 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to 692 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: Elder's past and present