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Speaker 1: Stephen Frye is an English actor, screenwriter, author, playwright, journalist, poet, comedian,

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Speaker 1: television presenter, film director and all round international treasure. This morning,

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Speaker 1: thank you much, and an evening with Stephen Fryes on

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Speaker 1: at the First Concert Hall this Sunday and Monday. Sunday

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Speaker 1: is sold out, but there are a handful of tickets

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Speaker 1: to spend the evening with Stephen fry on Monday. I

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Speaker 1: would be getting into Ticketmaster to sweet Stephen fry good morning.

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Speaker 2: Welcome well, thank you for that glorious, glorious introduction.

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Speaker 3: Was magnificent but well justified.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Perth.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, delight always to be in Western Australia. Remote possibly, Yes, definitely,

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Speaker 2: isn't that a good thing? I think it probably is.

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Speaker 3: It was through COVID.

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Speaker 2: We think absolutely you were the winners there, weren't you, Melbourne,

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Speaker 2: Poor Melbourne.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of people who are still affected

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Speaker 3: by that lockdown, I think from Melville.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. Anyway, good so, and I gathered

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Speaker 2: you know that indeed that people have been very kind

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Speaker 2: and have sold out the first the first performance on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: so a lot of new one on Monday, which is

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Speaker 2: really nice. But do you know it's the first place

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Speaker 2: I ever came to in Australia was Perth back in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one. Yeah, when you were it was like

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Speaker 2: entering a sort of double a double identity city because

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Speaker 2: half of it was basically nineteen fifty two. Yes, the

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Speaker 2: other half was being I think the phrase is probably

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Speaker 2: what would you say, bondified. That's right. The America's Cup

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Speaker 2: was about to be one, and there was a whole

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Speaker 2: new spirits abroad. And obviously now it's a total the modern,

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Speaker 2: amazing place. So it last a few years ago and

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Speaker 2: there are always new buildings. You arrive in you think,

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Speaker 2: my goodness, but obviously we know where you get all

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Speaker 2: the all the building aggregates from, because it's a it's

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Speaker 2: a state that tears itself apart for mineral.

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Speaker 1: It was bondified the eighties. Perth loved along Launch the eighties,

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Speaker 1: were good to.

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Speaker 3: Purs often used other people's money, but he did have visions.

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Speaker 1: Steven, it's an evening with and people can ask you questions.

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Speaker 1: Can you think what an example of one of the

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Speaker 1: more surprising questions that you've been asked?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean they are in the cliche ones are

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Speaker 2: always to any British person who are always about you know,

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Speaker 2: used to be Have you met the queen? Did you

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Speaker 2: meet the queen? And there are strange ones about what's

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Speaker 2: the weirdest thing a fan has ever said to you?

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Speaker 2: Or whatever? And you know, the answers to that are

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Speaker 2: pretty strange, of course, because you know, sometimes I'm not

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Speaker 2: suggesting that I am in any way Harry styles or

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Speaker 2: anything on that level. But for some reason, some people

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Speaker 2: when they see you in the street, their brain takes

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a hiccup, and we'll ask something

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Speaker 2: strange like you know, what kind of underwear are you

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Speaker 2: wearing it? And you go, what, No, I just meant

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Speaker 2: because I don't think of you as someone who wears

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Speaker 2: underwear or something. You know, they just their mouth runs away.

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Speaker 3: I'll probably get very nervous around you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And of course the mistake you make,

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Speaker 2: which I discovered early on, because you know, you naturally

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Speaker 2: think that a witty response, or at least not too

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Speaker 2: cruelly sarcastic responds would amuse them. So if you're in

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Speaker 2: a supermarket and sometimes people say what are you doing here?

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Speaker 2: And so I'll say something like, well, I'm just waiting.

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Speaker 2: It's the world finals of the badminton and I'm about

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Speaker 2: to umpire them in L three and they'll go, really, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm shopping. What does anyone But it's very understandable. And

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Speaker 2: I remember once it's very early on. It was a lesson. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I was walking along the street with Rowan Atkinson and

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Speaker 2: this was I was still at university and we'd just

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Speaker 2: become friends, and he'd been c our university show I

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Speaker 2: did with Hugh Laurian Emma Thompson, and he had been

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Speaker 2: very kind about it, and he'd been sent by his

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Speaker 2: agent who wanted to know whether he agreed that we

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Speaker 2: should be on this agent's books, and so he was

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Speaker 2: like a scout, but he'd come around to that stage

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Speaker 2: drawing was very kind and he was a star at

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Speaker 2: the time. There was a series called Not the Nine

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Speaker 2: o'clock News that he was kind of break out brilliant on.

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Speaker 2: And so when we walked down the street to get

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Speaker 2: a cup of tea and someone said to him, I

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Speaker 2: suppose you get fed up with people stopping you and

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Speaker 2: he said, no, I get fed up with people saying

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Speaker 2: I expect you get fed up, and which I thought

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Speaker 2: was quite funny. They went bright red and well, oh sorry,

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Speaker 2: I won't bother you then, and off they went, and

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Speaker 2: Roan said, oh dear, I said, well maybe they would. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So that was a kind of lesson in that you

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Speaker 2: have to understand that people are sometimes a bit they've

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Speaker 2: built up their courage to say hello and yeah exactly,

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Speaker 2: and also you mustn't say no, I'm not This was

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Speaker 2: again to name drop, this time even bigger company. I

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Speaker 2: was with John Clees and we've been doing it, yeah

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Speaker 2: exactly and way, and someone came up and to us

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Speaker 2: both and John Lees said all these amazing things, and

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Speaker 2: he signed a piece of paper. This was in the

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Speaker 2: days before selfies. And they said, oh, I really like you,

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Speaker 2: Stephen and I said, oh nonsense. I said, you know

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Speaker 2: there's John Cleese here. Then'd be ridiculous. And they said no, no,

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Speaker 2: I think you're very funny. I said no, I'm not knowing. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I signed their thing, and John Lee said a word

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Speaker 2: of advice. He said, don't disagree with people. If they

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Speaker 2: say that they like you and that they're good. Don't

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Speaker 2: just say oh no, I'm hopeless, Just say thank you.

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Speaker 2: And I thought it's so simple, just say yes, thank you,

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Speaker 2: it's so obvious. You know, you one kind of works

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Speaker 2: oneself up into a lather about how not to sound,

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Speaker 2: you know, too pleased with oneself whatever, and you you

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Speaker 2: end up up kind of being ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's it exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's the great.

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Speaker 1: This is a little related to a couple of the

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Speaker 1: names that you just ran down earlier this morning, Stephen,

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Speaker 1: we were talking with our listeners about great comedy duos,

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Speaker 1: and a bit of Frian Laurie came up more than

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Speaker 1: a couple of times. And I feel as though you've

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Speaker 1: made it a thing over the years to work with

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Speaker 1: great friends. What a wonderful caper that's been.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've been so lucky. It's absolutely right. And Hugh

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Speaker 2: primus inter pares, as the Romans said, first amongst equells.

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Speaker 3: Whatever that means. It sounds beird lover.

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Speaker 2: You know, Hugh Hugh. I mean when I first met Hugh,

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Speaker 2: it was Emma Thompson who introduced us at the university,

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Speaker 2: and the name dropping. I didn't imagine when I was.

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Speaker 1: Called Steven's friends, you know.

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Speaker 2: I just remember Hugh was sitting on on a bed.

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Speaker 2: She took me around to his rooms at his college

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Speaker 2: and he just said hello, and I said hello, and

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Speaker 2: he had a guitar on his lap and he was

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Speaker 2: He said, I've just been writing this song and he

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Speaker 2: sang a verse of a chorus and he said, I

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Speaker 2: don't know how it should go on. And I thought

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Speaker 2: it was a very funny song. So I sat next

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Speaker 2: to him. We started adding lyrics to it, and then

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Speaker 2: we finished the song and started writing a sketch. And

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Speaker 2: Emma and Katie his friend, just staring at us because

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Speaker 2: we hadn't basically said anything except this comedy writing, and

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Speaker 2: it had just we'd just fallen into it. It was

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Speaker 2: the weirdest thing. It's sort of like if musicians can

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Speaker 2: do this. You know, someone has a guitar, someone else

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Speaker 2: has a you know, a piano, and they just join

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Speaker 2: each other and start playing chords and stuff. It's less

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Speaker 2: common with with with comedy, I suppose. But it was

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Speaker 2: like an instant romance. And and I mean we did

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Speaker 2: in that I suppose cliche way. We fitted different parts

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Speaker 2: of each other. I'm an intensely verbal person, and Hugh

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Speaker 2: is not brilliant physically and get oh dear got unhealthy. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's because all the other pubs and they are missing.

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Speaker 2: I'm not musical like you, and I'm not athletic like him.

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Speaker 2: All I have are my words, my poor words.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve, think about John and stop putting yourself down.

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank yous A fellow cricket tragic.

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Speaker 3: I need to ask you get your take on something right.

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Speaker 3: So retired Australian opening batsman David Warner said this week

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Speaker 3: to the Australian Selectors, I'm here if you need me,

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Speaker 3: despite the fact that he's retired. Once they're retired, should

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Speaker 3: they be gone forever? I do a bit of a

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Speaker 3: column Cowdry and say I'm here anytime you need me.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting question, isn't it. I mean it's in

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Speaker 2: the case of Colin Cowdry and a few others like

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Speaker 2: Brian Closed, David Steele, it's because Australia and the West

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Speaker 2: Indies had these unbelievable fast bowlers and none of our

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Speaker 2: batsman seemed able to face up to them, and so

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Speaker 2: we pulled out the old brigade, thinking they might be

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Speaker 2: braver and more sensible than you know, not took them,

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Speaker 2: or more robust. But I don't think I mean David,

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Speaker 2: I mean brilliant obviously in all regards, unless he's facing

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Speaker 2: Stuart Broad, in which case he collapses. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: suppose I can't blame them though that you know, you

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Speaker 2: would do that. You would think, maybe it's time for

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Speaker 2: me to go, and I'll have my you know, final match,

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Speaker 2: and everybody will stand at the at you know, the

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Speaker 2: mcg or wherever my last match will be. I'll have

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Speaker 2: this huge evasion and I'll go off in tears to

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Speaker 2: the you know, to to the dressing room and all

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Speaker 2: the rest of it. But then a few months later

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Speaker 2: if you see that they haven't got a good opener,

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Speaker 2: and you think, well, if you want to recall me,

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Speaker 2: I might consider it. You know, I can just imagine it.

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Speaker 2: It's very hard, you know, but to have the courage

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Speaker 2: not to be that overweight heavyweight that trips over as

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Speaker 2: he sets back into the ring for that final purse,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. But no, it's the thing about if

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Speaker 2: I can bring it back to Greek myths, one of

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Speaker 2: the most beloved of the Greek heroes was Achilles, golden Achilles,

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Speaker 2: and his mother was told that there was a prophecy

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Speaker 2: that he would be a glorious hero, and the more

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Speaker 2: glorious than any that had ever lived, but that he

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Speaker 2: would die young, or he could have a long, happy,

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Speaker 2: serene life in obscurity, no one ever having heard of him.

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Speaker 2: And she wanted that for him, which is why she

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Speaker 2: dipped him in the river Lethy, so that he would

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Speaker 2: be invincible. She held him by the ankle and.

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Speaker 1: Dipped him in the waters of.

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Speaker 2: Lisi, and that bit which her fingers held on the ankle,

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Speaker 2: which was his literal Achilles heel, and that's where he

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Speaker 2: died when he was young in the Trojan War, Paris

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Speaker 2: got him with an envenomed arrow. But he was in

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Speaker 2: that sense. I think Achilles was if you like the

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Speaker 2: patron hero of athletes, because they have the same thing.

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Speaker 2: You can have glory, you can have sun, you can

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Speaker 2: have golden wonder in your life, but only until you're

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Speaker 2: thirty two thirty four, yeah, depending on the spots, and

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Speaker 2: from then on it's a pot belly and a rising

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Speaker 2: hairline and disappointment and bitterness and rancor and obscurity, but

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Speaker 2: that time in the sun would have been like nothing

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Speaker 2: on earth. And you know, and those of us who

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Speaker 2: are not Achilles, we look at those glorious figures in

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Speaker 2: those men and women of unbelievable supreme athletic ability, and

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Speaker 2: we think, oh, just for half an hour being them,

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Speaker 2: But in fact it is like half an hour and

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Speaker 2: then they have to end it. And if some of

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Speaker 2: But it's it must be hard to deal with. I suppose,

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Speaker 2: that's all I'm saying. Really, I can understand why everyone

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Speaker 1: If I may fawned for just a moment. One of

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Speaker 1: my favorite books ever is The Hippopotamus, and it turns

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Speaker 1: It turns thirty this year, and you know, I only

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Speaker 3: Really, yes, and it was.

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Speaker 2: I'm so pleased you did. I mean it is. It

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Speaker 2: second one, which is all the problematic one. Yes, oh,

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Speaker 2: thank you. That means the world to me.

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Speaker 1: You know, the thirtieth Birthday to the Hippopotamus.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. And I believe it's still in

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Speaker 2: print Australia.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I haven't got it back from the last person.

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Speaker 2: Let a murderous bring along. Bring along a copy on

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Speaker 2: Sunday or Monday when you come and see my show.

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Speaker 2: I will sign it for you with the greatest.

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Speaker 1: Player, Stephen fry There are there, As I said, getting

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Speaker 1: quick at Ticketmaster to get the precious few tickets left

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Speaker 1: for the Monday show. To spend an evening with Stephen Frye.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much this morning.

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Speaker 3: Could have chat it all day and had lunch. Thank

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Speaker 3: you Stephens all the very bad you two.

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Speaker 2: Good Bye,