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Speaker 1: Well a very good morning to you all. It is

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Speaker 1: indeed Friday morning. It is time for the week that was,

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Speaker 1: and joining us in the studio this morning, we've got

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Speaker 1: the colp's Murray clear Booth be good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning and to your listeners.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be back on air.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good to have you back. We've got Cam Smith

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Speaker 1: from the NT News. Good morning to you, Cam, Katie listeners,

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Speaker 1: good to.

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Speaker 4: Have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: We've got Kesier Puick, the Independent member for goid O.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Kezier, Morning, Katy, morning Bush people.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Kate Warden, the Minister for Environment, Essential

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Speaker 1: Services and various other portfolios.

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Speaker 4: Good to have you on the show.

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Speaker 5: Good to be back for twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good to have you on.

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Speaker 1: Now. Unfortunately we start this morning with some pretty horrific news.

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Speaker 1: The Northern Territory Police issuing a statement late yesterday to

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Speaker 1: say that they're investigating un alleged sexual assault that occurred

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Speaker 1: in Tenant Creek yesterday. A report was made to police

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Speaker 1: after a witness allegedly heard a child scream and a

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Speaker 1: mail was seen running from that location. Now fifty two

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Speaker 1: year old male is currently in police custody assisting with inquiries.

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Speaker 1: Seve Edgington, the local member, has taken to social media

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Speaker 1: to say that he is absolutely shocked and devastated with

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Speaker 1: the news that the Northern Territory Police are investigating the

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Speaker 1: alleged sexual assault. He says our thoughts are with the

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Speaker 1: four year old child and her family during this difficult time,

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Speaker 1: and that a report was made to police after a

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Speaker 1: the police information, the fifty two year old male is

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Speaker 1: currently in police custody assisting with inquiries. Now, I think

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Speaker 1: you'd be hard pressed to find anybody on this panel

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Speaker 5: Disgusted.

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Speaker 6: I think all four of us are sitting here shaking

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Speaker 6: Katie and I have been consistent about that is alleged.

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Speaker 6: And having been Police Minister for a bit, you know,

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Speaker 6: our police do an amazing, really really outstanding job and

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Speaker 6: one of the things that they do is investigate these

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Speaker 6: they'll prosecute and I think, you know, we've done this before.

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Speaker 6: I think we can share today the sentiment that absolutely

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Speaker 6: not good, are not good at all. Police are out

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Speaker 6: there they you know, you can't How could you ever

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Speaker 6: intervene on something like that before it happened. I guess

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Speaker 6: that's the question we're left asking ourselves. But I think

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Speaker 6: we have to let the system work. We need to

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Speaker 6: let the police do their investigations thoroughly in a case

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Speaker 6: like this. But I think absolutely any incident like this

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Speaker 6: you know, that's thinking any differently here on the panel

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Speaker 4: It is horrendous.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely horrendous, and shockingly not the first time, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: that we've reported on something like this in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 4: You know, just a few years ago Tenant Creek.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying Tenant Creek's you know, it's not there.

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Speaker 4: The township's doing absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: You know, when this kind of story comes to ten

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Speaker 3: You know, this is why you know, no wonder people

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Speaker 3: go out there and say, you know, bad things should

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Speaker 3: you know, there's there's a lot of school of thought.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps it's my elected I don't know, but you know,

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Speaker 3: people like this should never be allowed to do anything

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Speaker 3: something there should be something done to these kind of people,

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Speaker 3: And it's usually positions of trust. We know that just

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: Athing as bad as that.

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Speaker 1: You know, there is a lot of detail here that

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Speaker 1: we do not know. All that we know at this

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Speaker 1: and that is the fact that Northern Territory Police are

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Speaker 1: investigating an alleged sexual assault that occurred in Tenant Creek yesterday,

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Speaker 1: currently in police custody. But what I do want to

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Speaker 1: because they are always very hesitant to frighten the community,

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Speaker 5: Person's in custody straight away, straight away.

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Speaker 6: And I think, you know, I know the people, the

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Speaker 6: police officers in Tenant Creek. They are a really amazing

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Speaker 6: I actually think they'll issue that sort of a statement

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Speaker 6: to give you that comfort as well, because there's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all parties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think kids is right, like there is

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Speaker 2: outrage within the community, and like you say, Katie, this

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Speaker 2: isn't the first time it's happened in a really small,

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Speaker 2: Like there's funding from the FEDS, there's funding from the NTG,

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Speaker 5: And my other real fear here is.

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Speaker 2: Again we're going to be in the national headlines for

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Speaker 1: Well look, it is also noted on this post from

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Speaker 1: Steve Edgington. He said, back on the twelfth of December

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, the media reported an alleged sexual assault

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Speaker 1: old child, I should say, in Tenant Creek, which the

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Speaker 1: child's safety issue, and I do just want to step

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Speaker 1: have said to me, Katie, you wouldn't recognize the place

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Speaker 1: the crime is. It's a really tough place to be

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about a big blog, I'm not talking about

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Speaker 1: a lot of people that you know that that crime

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 1: And and you know, I look, I think we're all

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Speaker 1: we've spoken about these issues so often, we speak about

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Speaker 1: what's happening right now doesn't seem to be working. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what's gone on in this situation,

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Speaker 6: So, Katie, there has been a lot of initiatives that

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Speaker 5: There was the bar Blackly regional deal.

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, things take longer, and that's one of my frustrations

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Speaker 6: about being in government, honestly, is how long some things

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Speaker 6: We wanted to put a work camp and we're still

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Speaker 5: Local people want it for.

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Speaker 6: Their kids, And it took three years to get an

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Speaker 6: to the point that I'm saying, let's find another space

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Speaker 4: So are you saying that land councils are holding things up?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: Holding things up?

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Speaker 1: Who?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: So the locale if it's gone.

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Speaker 5: It's large bureaucracy.

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Speaker 6: They just maybe they don't have the resources to get

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but.

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Speaker 6: Three years, in my estimation, is too long to deliver

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Speaker 5: By the time that was done, we'd already built.

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Speaker 6: That facility off site so it can be delivered on

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Speaker 6: the site. So we were doing all that we could

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Speaker 6: and yes, rightly, so you know, Steve would have a

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Speaker 6: dig get me every single time, but he also knew

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Speaker 6: the problems that there are around those sorts of things.

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Speaker 6: We've got an amazing group called the Mob in Tenant

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Speaker 6: Creek that do the most outstanding work with youth offenders,

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Speaker 6: and we've actually just doubled the funding to them so

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Speaker 6: they can double the number. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 6: really good things going on in Tenant Creek. Police are

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Speaker 6: running some programs and there's a big investment. They have

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Speaker 6: a family safety framework which they talk about within themselves.

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Speaker 5: They know which the really bad.

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Speaker 6: Families are that need the most support, They know who

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Speaker 6: We are looking at more and more programs to get

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Speaker 7: Need to go with this, where the people leave.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely there needs to be, but that needs to be

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Speaker 6: You're seventeen, you've been away for a couple of years

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Speaker 6: And if you're a seventeen year old kid and you've

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Speaker 1: And so do you think that the land councils need

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Speaker 6: So the Northern Territory government does everything it can to

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Speaker 2: You know, there are lots of things that the Northern

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Speaker 3: On the back burner for minims exactly, and I think

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Speaker 2: Well, seeing you know, Kate is talking about how there

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Speaker 2: sure that the people do want to work, and if

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Speaker 1: To do don't just want to raise I know that

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Speaker 2: And Katie, that's quite common the same. I don't know

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Speaker 6: Well, I know that people on the ground, through our

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Speaker 2: But it's still not getting any better though, And I

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Speaker 6: I can tell you over New Year, one of the

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Speaker 5: You just people reduced.

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Speaker 4: They have reduced on very high levels.

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Speaker 5: They were college that they are high.

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Speaker 6: They are coming down and the measures that we are

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Speaker 5: There's no silver bullet to anything.

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Speaker 6: You've got to put in programs that work over a

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Speaker 1: How can you say that you've like, how can you

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Speaker 1: you know, people are absolutely over it. You talk to anybody,

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Speaker 1: it's the number one thing that they raise. And I

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Speaker 6: Not the number one thing, but number one thing people

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Speaker 5: And we need to pack the people.

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Speaker 6: That you know that need to go back to their

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Speaker 5: It's about being productive. And when you don't have that.

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Speaker 6: And when I always said this, and I've said this

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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter we all have a choice.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make if.

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Speaker 5: You're an Aboriginal person or a European person. We don't

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Speaker 6: That purpose doesn't have to be and Keasier stay on

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a very quick break.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. If you've just joined us,

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Speaker 1: we've got Kate Warden, Keesier, Puric cam Smith and Marie

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: One of the issues that certainly concerned are twenty thousand territorians.

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Speaker 1: Earlier in the week was the fact that the power

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Speaker 4: You know, where are things at, well, they're at.

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Speaker 8: The Northern Territory, the Top ends powers supply, perhaps relying

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Speaker 8: Apparently it was news to me. I thought we were

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Speaker 7: They haven't got much left.

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Speaker 8: The Chief Minister said yesterday that after that's utilized, I'll

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Speaker 8: go to go.

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Speaker 7: Back to Impacts.

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Speaker 8: But the absurdity, of course, is that where as an

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Speaker 7: So yeah, that's the challenge.

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Speaker 3: It's a long time ago a person who knows about

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Speaker 3: whatever the infrastructure may be. And because some of our

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Speaker 3: But the bottom line is the government has to plan,

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter which government they have to plan better. There's

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Speaker 1: Well, and I guess people understand that the power is

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Speaker 1: it is weather related. You're not expecting it to be

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, I'll be up front here, the

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Speaker 6: colp's plan was to sell it off and we have

446
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Speaker 6: had no control on that had that all happened. So

447
00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,800
Speaker 6: what happened is that our pipeline, the APA parkline. They

448
00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,959
Speaker 6: came out shaking her head, but she actually does know

449
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Speaker 6: that that was their plan, and that's why we've got three.

450
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Speaker 5: Because it was so many.

451
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Speaker 3: We've gone three. That's our legacy.

452
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Speaker 5: Now we've got three.

453
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Speaker 6: But you know what, like Keyser right, it's I mean

454
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Speaker 6: they use the word embassing, it's actually not embarrassing because

455
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Speaker 6: we've done so much risk management around this. We knew

456
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Speaker 6: three years ago we had a contract or twenty thirty,

457
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Speaker 6: so you would think that that was happening. But the

458
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 6: wells that were being tapped, and the chief ministers on

459
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 6: the public record around this, the wells that were being

460
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Speaker 6: tapped actually didn't have as much supply as those companies thought.

461
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Speaker 5: So we've been three years.

462
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Speaker 6: We've got a Gas task Force and what they do

463
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Speaker 6: is make sure that we.

464
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Speaker 5: Do have that certainty of gas.

465
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Speaker 6: Now, some of it does come from Impex, some of

466
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Speaker 6: it comes from Central Australia, and we are getting that

467
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Speaker 6: tail gas. And then we've got some planning going forward

468
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Speaker 6: having enough diesel. And this is where this whole diesel

469
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Speaker 6: thing comes up.

470
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Speaker 5: Having enough diesel.

471
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Speaker 6: On hand if we needed it is actually risk management

472
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Speaker 6: and by the way, that's what governments do. So I'll

473
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Speaker 6: make no excuse for having enough diesel. But if the

474
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Speaker 6: gas stopped tomorrow.

475
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Speaker 4: Or past complaining about us having enough diesel to.

476
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Speaker 6: Katie, there is it being painted that we are it's

477
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Speaker 6: a bit embarrassing that we still got diesel.

478
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Speaker 5: No, it's not.

479
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Speaker 6: And I can also tell you that the Chief Minister

480
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Speaker 6: said yesterday a billion dollars of our debt is because

481
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Speaker 6: we have invested heavily into renewable energy and we've got

482
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Speaker 6: the pipeline, all of the stuff that the Anti government owns,

483
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Speaker 6: all of our infrastructure we have put huge amounts into,

484
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Speaker 6: including we're putting in batteries so that we can have

485
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Speaker 6: some stability around well.

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Speaker 1: So before I get to that, though, I do want

487
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Speaker 1: to ask how many times are we paying for gas?

488
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Speaker 1: Like how many gas contracts have we got if that

489
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Speaker 1: makes sense to sort of make sure like we've got

490
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Speaker 1: then I contract and then don't we have black We've

491
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Speaker 1: got then we've got the support contract with Santos and

492
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Speaker 1: then we've all still got the backup with the diesel well's.

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Speaker 3: And that's okay, But Katie, I think there's a There's

494
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Speaker 3: another question related to this that I could ask Murray

495
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Speaker 3: Clair's CLP and Kate as Labor Party person, is the

496
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Speaker 3: elections coming up. We've got two major gas projects on

497
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Speaker 3: the horizon. We've got Barossa, Santos's Barrossa off shore and

498
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Speaker 3: we've got the B Toloo with Tambaran. So my question

499
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Speaker 3: to them is would they and particularly the CLP given

500
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Speaker 3: coming hopefully into government from their point of view, is

501
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Speaker 3: would they look to set up a gas reservation policy

502
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Speaker 3: to ensure we have continuity of gas supply like WA.

503
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Speaker 3: I know it's not powerful to industry. I get all that,

504
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Speaker 3: and the percentage that they have to keep I think

505
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Speaker 3: WA's is fifteen percent. You know, are they going to

506
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Speaker 3: go down that path? That's my question to both parties.

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Speaker 3: I think I'll answer.

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Speaker 6: First, because you know, there's been some criticism that didn't

509
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Speaker 6: happen under Impets, right, but it's not our gas. And

510
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Speaker 6: in fact, to get the Impets deal here and all

511
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Speaker 6: the jobs and all of that economy we got at

512
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Speaker 6: that time, if we'd have asked for a gas reservation

513
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Speaker 6: it was talked about, we wouldn't have got the we

514
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 6: wouldn't have got the project.

515
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Speaker 5: It's as simple as that.

516
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Speaker 6: But Impacts have now come on board and they are

517
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Speaker 6: providing us some gas, which is super But that's a

518
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 6: change at a cost, but it's at a cost to everybody. Correct, yes, no,

519
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Speaker 6: but with a gas gas reservation policy, we own the

520
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Speaker 6: other gas. We own the gas and the bedloo it

521
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Speaker 6: is the territory. Territorians own that resource.

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Speaker 5: But so we are in a better position.

523
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Speaker 3: Are you going to legislate to have a guess reservation That's.

524
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Speaker 5: A question I'll have to ask.

525
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Speaker 6: But I know that we are heading to a point

526
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Speaker 6: where with gas out of Beata LOOO, once it's firmed

527
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Speaker 6: up and all of that's happening, and we're into the

528
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Speaker 6: productions phase, which should be next year. I'm guaranteed it's

529
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Speaker 6: next year. We will have gas for territorians at a.

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Speaker 1: Very is going to flow next year. I mean she

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Speaker 1: that's taken a long time. No, No, we had Tam

532
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Speaker 1: Moore and I think it was on the show to

533
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Speaker 1: speak about that, so.

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Speaker 3: I know that.

535
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Speaker 1: But she has taken a long time, like this was

536
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Speaker 1: an election issue back in what two thousand and even

537
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Speaker 1: massive producceaty that need to be done properly planning. I'm

538
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Speaker 1: not an idiot, I understand, but it has like it

539
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Speaker 1: has taken such a long period of time.

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Speaker 8: One moratorum than another miratory by four years.

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Speaker 7: You talked about if there.

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Speaker 5: Was a moratorium to get that baseline stuff right, and

543
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Speaker 5: if you.

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Speaker 6: Look at the Shriber and all the data that we've

545
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Speaker 6: got in there, that actually doesn't just go for the Beterloo.

546
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Speaker 5: It does for a whole range of other projects.

547
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Speaker 6: We're able to do water security now and water plans

548
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Speaker 6: because we've got that Schreber. We've done it right, and

549
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Speaker 6: what we're going to do is make sure that it's

550
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Speaker 6: not highly exploited and that territoriums benefit.

551
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Speaker 4: What's the COALP going to commit?

552
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Speaker 2: The CELP, I think is the only party in the

553
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Speaker 2: territory that is never backed away from gas. We've always

554
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Speaker 2: backed the gas industry moratorium as well the Labor Party.

555
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Speaker 2: The Labor Party are divided in.

556
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Speaker 3: Which is which is that? My question?

557
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Speaker 2: My question was not canceled your conference you want to

558
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Speaker 2: that gas.

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Speaker 5: We didn't. We just didn't schedule one. We didn't have

560
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Speaker 5: one schedule for the.

561
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Speaker 1: Your But there's literally there has been like there has

562
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Speaker 1: been members of the Labor Party definitely saying that they

563
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Speaker 1: do not support do not support the gas fall.

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Speaker 7: The Chief Minister wouldn't come out of say the word.

565
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Speaker 3: Gas some events. There's people with the seal Pea who

566
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Speaker 3: don't like fracking.

567
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Speaker 6: There are people in the our position as a government

568
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Speaker 6: because that's what you do and you bide him behind

569
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Speaker 6: what the government position is. Personally people might have a

570
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 6: different opinion, but we are supportive of this gas industry.

571
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Speaker 6: We want Baroster, we want be the Loo, but we

572
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Speaker 6: want to do it properly and we.

573
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Speaker 5: Want to make sure our environment is not damaged through it. Look,

574
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Speaker 5: one of the.

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Speaker 1: Things I do want to ask about this morning is

576
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Speaker 1: is yesterday the government and yourself, Kate, you did come

577
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Speaker 1: out and say that the Northern Territory has got the

578
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Speaker 1: highest take up of solar of as storage in the

579
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Speaker 1: country thanks to the Home and Business Battery Scheme. So

580
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Speaker 1: it does obviously mean that you can purchase and install

581
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Speaker 1: those batteries.

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Speaker 4: At a more affordable price.

583
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Speaker 1: But look, when we spoke about this yesterday, there's quite

584
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Speaker 1: a few people who called in who were still wildly

585
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Speaker 1: upset about the feed in tower of changing and the

586
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Speaker 1: fact that they need to have these batteries in some

587
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Speaker 1: cases to support their solar.

588
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Speaker 6: I'm a local member first and foremost, and you know,

589
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Speaker 6: I've got people in my electorate that are unhappy. I've

590
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Speaker 6: got people in my electorate that thought they were going

591
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 6: to make money out of their solar systems and that

592
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 6: hasn't happened for them. So they called it, and they

593
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Speaker 6: called it an investment. I think that that's been a

594
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 6: bit of a misunderstanding. It was about getting it so

595
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Speaker 6: you were paid back. But I understand the sentiment of

596
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 6: where people are at. But we have seen five times

597
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Speaker 6: the national average uptake for batteries with that scheme. We've

598
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Speaker 6: got another three million dollars in that scheme this year.

599
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Speaker 6: We're also looking at some innovative ways for because that

600
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Speaker 6: was raised with us yesterday about people on a lower

601
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Speaker 6: incomes and how we can help.

602
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Speaker 3: With that the cost of living. It's a real thing.

603
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Speaker 5: So we're looking at ways to get solar.

604
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Speaker 6: We've got some projects for solar on public housing in

605
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Speaker 6: our springs and we're looking at what we can do

606
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Speaker 6: and remote once again to get them off diesel and

607
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Speaker 6: reduce the diesel consumption by seventy percent.

608
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Speaker 1: What about those other solar farms that have been built?

609
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Speaker 1: Are they now up and running it? You know?

610
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Speaker 4: The ones I've been commissioned.

611
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Speaker 3: So there's four. There's there were four.

612
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Speaker 6: The rough ones been fully plugged in the other three

613
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Speaker 6: are one of them's at twenty five percent and they're

614
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Speaker 6: testing it through to make sure it doesn't make the

615
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Speaker 6: system unstable, and the other two are in commissioning phase.

616
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Speaker 3: So we're not far off for all three.

617
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Speaker 4: But they have been idle for quite some time, haven't they?

618
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Speaker 5: Because they got developed privately.

619
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Speaker 6: Let's be clear, they got developed privately and the system

620
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Speaker 6: wasn't ready to accept them, so there was no talk

621
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Speaker 6: between the private provider and TGen and power.

622
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Speaker 3: Water, which has all got Chris, I don't know how

623
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Speaker 3: the why would you and I international company invest that

624
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Speaker 3: kind of money that the solar panels at Medham down.

625
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Speaker 3: There's also one downe actual way, And from my understanding

626
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 3: is the infrastructure didn't connect. That's in lay terms.

627
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I've got to go that far and that's right.

628
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: And Territory Generation say, listen, this is how you need

629
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: to build it. Need to have a widget that size

630
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: to connect with our dodge at that size. You know,

631
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: like no, I.

632
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Speaker 1: Thought it was the other way around that it was

633
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: a situation where they were told that they were able

634
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Speaker 1: to be built, and then it was a situation that

635
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Speaker 1: once they were complete, if they plugged in or if

636
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: they went in, the system wouldn't be able to just

637
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: withstandard or to cope.

638
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: To cope with cope with what they're delivering. They might

639
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 3: have known that before they encouraged.

640
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Speaker 4: Well, that's exactly right.

641
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Speaker 1: And the question that you then ask is what kind

642
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: of certainty or surety does that give to any large

643
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: organization wanting to do business here in the Northern Territory,

644
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: Like the last thing any has to be sitting idle.

645
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I would have gone through land

646
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Speaker 3: clearing issues, they would have gone through any native total

647
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: potential issues. I'm pretty sure it was on private land.

648
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Speaker 3: But you know, they would have been all these other

649
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: clearances in environmental assessments, that kind of stuff, and so

650
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Speaker 3: they would have been in discussions with the anti government

651
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Speaker 3: all the way along, and then they finally get to

652
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Speaker 3: turn the switch on. Oh sorry, they don't talk to

653
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Speaker 3: each other.

654
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Speaker 8: Imagine that I've spent all that money exactly approval.

655
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

656
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Speaker 4: Do you want to ask?

657
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Speaker 1: So one of the things I do want to ask

658
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: very quickly, because it is something that so many listeners

659
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Speaker 1: care about, is with.

660
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Speaker 4: Those solar feed in tariffs. Now.

661
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Speaker 1: Obviously, at the time that the government made those changes,

662
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Speaker 1: the COLP said that they would revert back to what

663
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Speaker 1: they were previously.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, it's still the plantly.

665
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Speaker 2: So at that time when they slash those feed in tariffs,

666
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Speaker 2: I mean, families were already feeling the pressure of cost

667
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Speaker 2: of living increases and it's it's even worse now. So

668
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Speaker 2: we want to be able to make sure that families

669
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Speaker 2: can afford to live here, because that is so important.

670
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Speaker 2: If you can't afford to live here, you start looking elsewhere,

671
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Speaker 2: and we can't afford to lose any more people. So

672
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Speaker 2: the COLP will introduce it's called a time of day

673
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Speaker 2: incentive which doubles the feed in tariff during peak times

674
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Speaker 2: and will also double the battery bonus scheme. So Labour's

675
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Speaker 2: scheme is five thousand dollars, we're going to actually it's

676
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Speaker 2: more than double. It's twelve thousand dollars because twelve thousand

677
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: a twelve thatsan a battery will actually ensure that you

678
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Speaker 2: have power for your whole house, like a medium sized house,

679
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: because we want to make sure that we can either

680
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Speaker 2: reduce the power bills and the cost of living for

681
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Speaker 2: those families or in some cases entirely reduce their power

682
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Speaker 2: build to nothing.

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Speaker 1: The biggest question people are going to be asking is

684
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Speaker 1: how are you going to afford to do it?

685
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Speaker 5: I mean good question.

686
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Speaker 3: Yeah, as you're going for nine cents to yeah, twenty

687
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Speaker 3: eight cents.

688
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Speaker 1: So how like you know, because what I'm hearing throughout

689
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Speaker 1: this week is the COLP is making quite a few

690
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Speaker 1: commitments with a monetary value attached to them and no

691
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Speaker 1: real sort of you know, no real plan as to

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Speaker 1: how you're going to afford what's going.

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Speaker 5: To be cut? That's the question. You have to cut

694
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Speaker 5: something in order to afford that.

695
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Speaker 6: You also are going directly against the advice of the

696
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Speaker 6: corporations that provide the power. So it'd be very interesting,

697
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Speaker 6: I think you. That would been my observation that you know,

698
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Speaker 6: all care and no responsibility is very easy from opposition,

699
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Speaker 6: but in government you have to be very prudent around

700
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Speaker 6: a budget. And I'd like to see what you're going

701
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Speaker 6: to cut all those kids programs Again.

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Speaker 3: Probably it's just rubbish.

703
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Speaker 2: We all about commitment, All about commitments need to go

704
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: to treasury and you know that, so it all needs

705
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: to balance out really well. We are looking to grow

706
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Speaker 2: our economy, which is why we want to slash approval

707
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Speaker 2: time frames.

708
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Speaker 3: By fifty More mining projects, get more mining r will.

709
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Speaker 2: Which will increase our mining projects. I mean, we have

710
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Speaker 2: no major projects that are coming off the ground, even

711
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Speaker 2: call lithium, who was going to be our saving grace.

712
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Speaker 3: That's only a small mind right back.

713
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Speaker 2: Because we only ever focused on one thing at a time.

714
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Speaker 5: Everything else is falling over look.

715
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Speaker 4: We are going to have to take a very quick break.

716
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Speaker 1: One of the other things that we spoke about throughout

717
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Speaker 1: this week that certainly I guess raids quite a.

718
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Speaker 4: Few eyebrows is the fact that we have.

719
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Speaker 1: Known for quite some time that the Darwin and Alla

720
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Speaker 1: Springs correctional centers are absolutely at maximum capacity. We caught

721
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Speaker 1: up with Matthew Varley, the Corrections Commissioner, earlier in the

722
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Speaker 1: week and he said that we have now got twenty

723
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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty prisoners in custody. That was when

724
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Speaker 1: we spoke to the Corrections Commissioner on Wednesday. Forty five

725
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Speaker 1: percent of those in prison are on remand with that's

726
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Speaker 1: right with the Darwin City Police watch House being used

727
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Speaker 1: to hos forty inmates and the Peter McCauley providing another

728
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Speaker 1: fourteen beds now. The Commissioner also said that efforts are

729
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Speaker 1: underway to increase that capacity, with ninety six beds in

730
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Speaker 1: Alice Springs due to be completed by the middle of

731
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Speaker 1: the year, and of course sixty four the sixty four

732
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Speaker 1: bed low security facility being commissioned for Darwin. He also

733
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Speaker 1: told us that a security review of G Block at

734
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Speaker 1: Alice Springs Jails being completed following those recent riots, and

735
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Speaker 1: the NT Corrections are working with Dipple to make infrastructure improvements.

736
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Speaker 1: But look, there is no doubt about it. Our jails

737
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Speaker 1: are bursting at the seams for want of a better words.

738
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Speaker 3: That's because people are breaking the law.

739
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Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing I don't look, I don't think

740
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Speaker 1: that you're going to have anybody sort of feeling sad

741
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Speaker 1: that the jails are full. I think what everybody's starting

742
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: to ask now is do we need a bigger one?

743
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Speaker 3: Well, the question I think should be why is there

744
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Speaker 3: such a large increase in people breaking the law, which

745
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: we know is happening because of the crime issues in

746
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 3: all major towns and across the territory. So if we

747
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: didn't have those major crime issues, then we wouldn't have

748
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: people breaking the all and they wouldn't be going to jail.

749
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Speaker 3: That's part of it. The part is the forty five

750
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Speaker 3: percent on remand is is the court system. There's no

751
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: follow the judges or magistrates or anything of that nature.

752
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: It's a problem and I've spoken about this in Parliament

753
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Speaker 3: and I've done questions on notice. There's not enough legal

754
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: people in the system. There's not enough legal people in prosecutions,

755
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: there's not enough people in narge. I mean that, yes,

756
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Speaker 3: I was going to say there's not enough lawyers in

757
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Speaker 3: the bloody whole town.

758
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Speaker 4: Well, and on the naj all of that as well,

759
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Speaker 4: and on that narger situation.

760
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Speaker 1: I know that Matt Cunningham from Sky News had indeed

761
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Speaker 1: written about this earlier in the week, that Australia's largest

762
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Speaker 1: Aboriginal legal service could be stripped of its funding amid

763
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Speaker 1: a crisis that's seeing Indigenous people front in court without representation.

764
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Speaker 1: So the Commonwealth Attorney General's Department says that it has

765
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Speaker 1: altered arrangements for the North Australia Aboriginal Justice Agency following

766
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government to redirect funding to other organizations.

767
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Speaker 1: Does follow those revelations that NAJA has been unable to

768
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Speaker 1: represent clients, particularly in Alice Springs, due to staff shortages

769
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Speaker 1: following a mass exodus of employees over the past twelve months.

770
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Speaker 1: You know, no matter how you look at it, it's

771
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Speaker 1: a problem.

772
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Speaker 3: But NAGE is one part of it. There's also just

773
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Speaker 3: normal legal aid. Yeah, they suffer too because they have

774
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Speaker 3: an issue trying to attract and retain legal people, you know,

775
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Speaker 3: and then we hear about technical issues, you know, people

776
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Speaker 3: who are in jail on ramand can't get to talk

777
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Speaker 3: to their lawyer because of technical issues, you know, and

778
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: the communication systems don't work or scope doesn't work or whatever.

779
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Speaker 3: I mean. I know of people in Holtz Jail who've

780
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Speaker 3: been there nearly two and a half years on remand

781
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Speaker 3: now the clearly they're on remand and not on well

782
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Speaker 3: for a reason. Yeah, and I do know what this

783
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Speaker 3: fellow went in for on ramand or his on remand

784
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Speaker 3: that's family member, you damn it, no, I will.

785
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Speaker 4: Look, it is a very serious issue.

786
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Speaker 3: So it is a comp or complex or complicated perhaps both,

787
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Speaker 3: you know, So it's not just one single factor that's

788
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: contributing to our full jails. But I agree, if people

789
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: break the law, they go to joil. So we've got

790
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Speaker 3: to stop people breaking the law.

791
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Speaker 1: Yep.

792
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Speaker 3: We've got to do something with people on remand like

793
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: people on ramand cannot access many, if any programs because

794
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: they're on romand they actually haven't been charged. They can

795
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Speaker 3: get something.

796
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Speaker 5: We've changed that you do.

797
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Speaker 3: So people want to learn to rehabilitate themselves or if

798
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Speaker 3: they don't, they'll be told. And there's issues even with

799
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: people on in jail, So there's that as well.

800
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Speaker 6: Well.

801
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Speaker 1: Look on top of this, I have been told in Kate,

802
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: I know that you're not the police minister anymore, but

803
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: you may or may not be able to provide some insight.

804
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: I have been told that there are outstanding of rest

805
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: warrants as well that can't actually be you know, that

806
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: can't sort of be concluded or pushed through because there

807
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: isn't that capacity to then be able to hold them

808
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:46,959
Speaker 1: in remand I think.

809
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Speaker 6: From time to time you probably factually correct. But what

810
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 6: you have to do, and we've done a couple of things.

811
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Speaker 6: We've put on more local court judges yep, to get

812
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Speaker 6: this through. You're right in that money being diverted. Chancey

813
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 6: Paike made sure that that money advocated strongly to get

814
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 6: that money redirected. So a lot of that's gone to

815
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 6: do on community legal services and a number of the

816
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 6: lawyers that left NAJA I know have joined other local

817
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 6: you know, community justice areas.

818
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Speaker 3: So we've got that.

819
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Speaker 5: So that's the chair. But also you're.

820
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Speaker 6: Very right, we are looking, i think to have some

821
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Speaker 6: additional people out on those work programs because we know

822
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Speaker 6: that they have a huge impact on people not reoffending,

823
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 6: but those low security and it's about moving people into

824
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 6: those right spaces. So the women, for particularly particularly women,

825
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 6: you can have them in a completely different sort of

826
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Speaker 6: a community space, not necessarily in that high because women

827
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 6: actually don't necessarily reoffend at the rate that men do,

828
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Speaker 6: So there's lots of things that are being done.

829
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Speaker 5: There are lots of those additional places.

830
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Speaker 6: And I will say one hundred percent, if you've done

831
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Speaker 6: that crime, you deserve to be in jail. And yes,

832
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Speaker 6: conditions might not be ideal, but that's where you should be.

833
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Speaker 1: This is a bit off topic, but what did you

834
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Speaker 1: make before or around Christmas, when people going, well, we

835
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: need a condition air conditioners in the jails. I thought,

836
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Speaker 1: I don't know that that's going.

837
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Speaker 2: To go along with the with what the normal public

838
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: support from the community for.

839
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Speaker 3: You're in jail for a reason, and whilst it might

840
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: be unpleasant, it's unpleasant across the board, but you're therefore

841
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 3: doing time for your crime and with some good luck,

842
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: you might sort of come out of better person. With

843
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: some programs, we'll understand why you did what you did.

844
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: I get it that's difficult with some people in jail,

845
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: or probably a lot of them, because they're probably suffering

846
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 3: from fetal alcohol specting disorder and other mental issues whatever.

847
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 3: But you know that didn't gain a lot of sympathy.

848
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: You know, there perhaps some little things that they could

849
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: do in the jail to make it a smidge and

850
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: call I don't.

851
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Speaker 5: Know, Katie.

852
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: One of the things that keeps coming up with people

853
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: that I'm speaking to is when the territory government paid

854
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Speaker 2: the New South Wales Corrections to build those demountables within

855
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: the corrections confinement and then put them into Alice Springs,

856
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: so they're expanding the al Springs.

857
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had them. We had New South Wales conditions

858
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Speaker 4: on about it.

859
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: Excellent, So you know about this and so what the

860
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: question that people keep asking is how can the government

861
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: pay another facility where their prisoners and New South Wales

862
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: are the ones making these demounables when we have prisoners

863
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: here in.

864
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Speaker 1: The part of what I was actually told is it

865
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Speaker 1: a small part of that is actually so that they

866
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: don't know how to break out as well, so that

867
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: you're actually you've got the other correctional crew doing it

868
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: in another stage, because then if they've put it together,

869
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: so then then are they going to know how to

870
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: take it apart to get out?

871
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 5: Okay? And it opens another opportunity our territories.

872
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: I did say that.

873
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Speaker 2: Box a little bit on these things. It's not about

874
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: just building new facilities over and over. There's so many

875
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: ways you can create those efficiencies to have better facilities,

876
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: sentence to jobs sentences.

877
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Speaker 6: We've also got community and community facilities. We're working really

878
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 6: hard out at group to get those up there. We've

879
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 6: got people doing sentences on country giving back to their communities.

880
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 5: That's all happening across the Northern Territory.

881
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 6: The simple thing is there are too many people committing

882
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 6: crimes and they need to be in those spaces to

883
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 6: keep the rest of the community safe.

884
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 5: And no, but he's apologizing for it.

885
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Speaker 1: All right, We're going to take a really quick break.

886
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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. Before we wrap up

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Speaker 1: for this morning, I am keen to talk about the

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Speaker 1: fact that it was reported earlier in the week that

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Speaker 1: the CLP well didn't provide those donation declarations. I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people asking how important is it that

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Speaker 1: political parties do declare those donations. Well, we did end

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Speaker 1: up catching up with the president of the CLP, Shane Stone,

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Speaker 1: and he confirmed it was forty four thousand dollars I

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Speaker 1: believe it was, and that they.

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Speaker 4: Did receive in political donations.

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Speaker 1: Six thousand odds was actually donated by him himself.

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Speaker 3: That's quite normal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did wonder that whether it was normal for

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Speaker 4: a president to.

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Speaker 3: People in my I'm just stretching my memory. But in

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Speaker 3: the CLP, yeah, people in the past, committee members of management,

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Speaker 3: comedy people have provided funds himself personally. You know, they

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Speaker 3: believe in the course, so why wouldn't they give money.

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Speaker 3: But I spoke about this premcy with you, Katie and yep,

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Speaker 3: and Tony Shedding was a treasure of the party. He

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Speaker 3: was a treasure of twenty fifteen. I was still in

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Speaker 3: the party. So Shane should have known that and should

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Speaker 3: know that, and I actly does know that. And I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm not laying the blame that person in particular. But

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Speaker 3: as I said on the show before, you know this,

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Speaker 3: this is a party that wants to take government from

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Speaker 3: the current government. So if you can't get your paperwork

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Speaker 3: in order for your accountability to the Electoral Commission, your transparency,

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Speaker 3: the amount of money is not the issue. And I

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Speaker 3: don't think you know, they're not trying to hide it,

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Speaker 3: you know, I know the Labor Party put some post

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Speaker 3: up about Lea trying to hide the money or whatever.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's just the politics. I get it. Everyone

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Speaker 3: gets it, you know, but that's not the case. The

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Speaker 3: case is more the party management and administration should be

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Speaker 3: better than what they're currently doing. Now, get the electoral

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Speaker 3: turns in because we have higher reporting requirements. Now the

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Speaker 3: Electoral Act changed I think about three years ago, you know,

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Speaker 3: So you've got it. That's where this came out because

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Speaker 3: they didn't show up and it showed up. Yeah, and look, basically,

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Speaker 3: if you've got a gift over, I forget what it is,

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Speaker 3: fifteen hundred for example, but you cannot have sloppy returns.

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Speaker 3: It is the law to get your returns in that.

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Speaker 6: Get it.

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Speaker 3: The president was very cranky with his party and right, yes,

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Speaker 3: so get your shit together if you expect to take government,

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Speaker 3: because there's going to be a lot of bloody paperwork

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Speaker 3: when you were in government. If you don't get it right,

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Speaker 3: then the consequences are going to be very very serious

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Speaker 3: marriage more than just returns, just bloody electoral returns.

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Speaker 5: And look what happens.

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Speaker 4: Since I really feel easier, Look what happens.

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Speaker 3: If you don't get your bloody tax returns in. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you've got a bit of a wave. If you're an

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Speaker 3: accountant for that taxman is very unforgiving, and I think

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Speaker 3: mister Long and Nathan should be very unforgiving. This is

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Speaker 3: the law and he's responsible for administering the act. Get

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Speaker 3: your bloody returns in on time. Country Liberal Party.

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Speaker 2: And it is a very serious issue. And Shane did

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Speaker 2: come on your show, Katie, and he fronted it head

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Speaker 2: or he did. He said it was unacceptable. He said

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Speaker 2: that everyone's on notice about it. So we take it

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Speaker 2: very seriously. And I think Shane was very open and

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Speaker 2: transparent about exactly what happened.

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Speaker 6: But it isn't the first time. And these laws came

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Speaker 6: into place because Foundation fifty one there was a massive

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Speaker 6: slush fund. It was not I was there slush funded, Katie, Katie, I.

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Speaker 3: Was there party. I was party to the Foundation.

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Speaker 7: fIF we won.

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Speaker 3: It was the Labor Party, correct. I had the paperwork

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Speaker 3: from that time.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what, though, there'll be people listening this

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Speaker 1: morning who have no idea what it was. And that's

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Speaker 1: the thing, you know, people have been here for a

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Speaker 1: long time.

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Speaker 5: And the CLP need to put their returns in on time.

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Speaker 5: We all have to.

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Speaker 6: We have responsibilities and we saw you know with Natasha Files,

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Speaker 6: she had also chief Minister and ship over two thousand

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Speaker 6: dollars worth of shares.

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Speaker 4: These side matters four.

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Speaker 6: It does matter, and it's about transparency, and we change

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Speaker 6: those laws for that reason, and it's really important that

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Speaker 6: they do it. And they've failed again the c LP

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Speaker 6: can't get.

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Speaker 3: Together on the Labor Party. But also the Labor Party

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Speaker 3: couldn't hold their annual conference.

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Speaker 4: But because.

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Speaker 3: Turn up.

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Speaker 9: Tell you that our next conferences are always very very

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Speaker 9: well attended, and we had decided already and they're expensive,

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Speaker 9: and our priority this year is to make sure.

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Speaker 4: That the election.

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Speaker 7: I just wanted to make the point and I'm a

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Speaker 7: former CELP stuff who no longer work to it. But

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Speaker 7: the and there over accountability.

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Speaker 8: They have four central councils a year at an annual conference,

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Speaker 8: always well attended, you know, notwithstanding criticisms, there's a lot

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Speaker 8: of accounability that goes on there.

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Speaker 7: You know. The Labour Party do pick and choose when

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Speaker 7: they have their in the conference. We have currents.

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Speaker 3: By our members.

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Speaker 5: We listen to our members all the time.

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Speaker 4: Look on that note, we are going to have to

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Speaker 4: wrap up.

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Speaker 1: Mary Clare Boothy from the COLP, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and I do want to shout out to

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Speaker 2: the Darwin Table Tennis because they've got their open day

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Speaker 2: on Sunday and Marara between ten and twelve. I was

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Speaker 2: there recently. It's a great group of people. Sure you

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Speaker 2: know about it. I'm sure you've been there recently, but

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Speaker 2: I'd love to see you there. It'll be a really

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Speaker 2: fun day for people.

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Speaker 4: Awesome stuff.

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Speaker 1: Cam Smith from the Into News, good to have you

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Speaker 1: on the show, mate, thank.

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Speaker 4: You, thank you.

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Speaker 1: And Kesier Puric the Independent for good thank you.

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Speaker 3: Big shout out to my Marichai residence. I'm going there

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Speaker 3: on Sunday because it's starting to be time for the

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Speaker 3: volunteer fiber Gage to have any general meetings yep. So

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Speaker 3: and getting ready for obviously the dry season again, so

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Speaker 3: big shout out to my America.

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Speaker 4: Mates, good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Kezier and Kate Warden the Labor rep for

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Speaker 1: this morning and Minister for various Portfolios against three c LPs.

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Speaker 5: I'm calling him out.

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Speaker 1: People would say about me then, because I once worked

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Speaker 1: for for the labor governments two yes, but anyway, we

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Speaker 1: all you know, we all have work histories, there is

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Speaker 1: no doubt about that.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for your time this morning. Everybody