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Speaker 1: welcome to The Unplayable Podcast. It's the final Test of

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Speaker 1: the Ashes. Someone, We've made it to Sydney and now

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Speaker 1: we're sitting in the trip Land box ahead of the

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Speaker 1: final Test. Louis, it's a big episode coming up. Was

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Speaker 2: So where do we begin?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of build up to a dead rubber

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Speaker 3: Test match. Yes, there are World Test Championship points on

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Speaker 3: the line, but the Ashes have have well and truly

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Speaker 3: been one. But yeah, there's a there's a big going

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Speaker 3: on leading to this one. It was McGuire's press conference

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Speaker 3: this morning, I mean nearly an hour long. He fired

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Speaker 3: a few shots, he made you know, it was heartfelt,

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Speaker 3: a lot of it wasn't it, And made some beautiful

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Speaker 3: points around you know how he suffered racism as as

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Speaker 3: I mean that's going to be the one that creates

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Speaker 3: a lot of headlines over not just today but kind

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Speaker 3: of going forward. But yeah, we're farewell in one of

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Speaker 3: the great beautiful symmetry that he noticed. I mean, he

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Speaker 3: reckon because eighty eight tests he will end up playing

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Speaker 3: at the SCG. It was forty four before he when

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Speaker 3: and since his recall at this ground, the SEG during

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Speaker 3: the twenty one twenty two ashes, he will have played

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Speaker 3: forty four tests. So as really nice symmetry for all

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Speaker 3: the cricket stats nerds, and there's a.

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Speaker 1: Few a few, there's some great coverage across all of

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Speaker 1: cricket dot com, dot Au and the SA Live app

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Speaker 1: of course, honoring Kawaja dropped seven times in eight years

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Speaker 1: you spoke about, and yeah, very long preference. You can

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Speaker 1: those who don't have fifty minutes to spare.

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Speaker 2: What sort of were the main talking points out of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he kind of started off by saying, so

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Speaker 3: he called them hard streets and you know, experienced, you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of things, heard a lot

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Speaker 3: This is all stuff he's spoken about a lot before.

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Speaker 3: But I think it was it was nice and it

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Speaker 3: And then yeah, just I mean, what you know, the

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Speaker 4: So it kind of feels out of all times.

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Speaker 3: He could about out, well, he's actually bowing out with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I found interesting how he said that he had considered,

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Speaker 4: Coming out term that he used.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, your point about the timing is a good one,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we had these number of droppings at seven.

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Speaker 3: Well, if we talked about it, I mean, if it

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Speaker 2: We could have got to know, we could have got

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Speaker 1: and what an amazing record. He's got three centuries against

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Speaker 3: So what are we missing? Bangladesh, Zimbabwe? He only played

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Speaker 1: He opened today's press conference with a bit of a speech.

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Speaker 1: Let's just play that now in case you missed it earlier.

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Speaker 5: Just bear with me. I've just ridden something. Funnily enough,

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Speaker 5: SCG on Cook Road, to be exact, and I'll never forget.

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Speaker 5: When I was younger, I saw Michael Slader drive and

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Speaker 5: one day I'm going to be a Test cricketer. One

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Speaker 5: day I can drive whatever I want. Never do I

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Speaker 5: after the seg Test match. God do, Cricket has given

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Speaker 5: He's given me memories I'll carry forever, friendships that go

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Speaker 3: I know we haven't had heaps and heaps of cricket.

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Speaker 3: We've had two two day tests, and you know the

437
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Speaker 3: bowlers are all kind of tracking well from what we

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Speaker 3: hear is. But you know, maybe just having a fresh

439
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Speaker 3: bowler and a fresh player down the order could help.

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Speaker 3: You Know, it's a funny one, like is a bow

441
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Speaker 3: websterit at seven actually more suited to seven than Cameron Green?

442
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Speaker 3: And is Cameron Green's actual long term spot? Maybe it's

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Speaker 3: that number five spot that that we know Quadras has

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Speaker 3: got at the moment and has only got for one

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Speaker 3: more tests. So maybe you could frame a twim in

446
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Speaker 3: that that way. I hope Todd Murphy gets a run,

447
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Speaker 3: Like if they and it will be pitched dependent, right,

448
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Speaker 3: like if they play four quick, it's like all right,

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Speaker 3: you know, strap your seat belts in, We're going for

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Speaker 3: three days maximum, and then it's it's probably a Nissa

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Speaker 3: verse Jy Richardson consideration for that third quick spot. Anything

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Speaker 3: on the Aussie side, I haven't mentioned there.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I think there was a little concern maybe about how

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Speaker 1: Richardson would pull up, but he only bold nine overs

456
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Speaker 1: in the Melmon Test, which is hard to believe. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: he bowled off his full round today, sent down a

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Speaker 1: few off spinners. Yes, I saw that. Yeah, so that

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Speaker 1: was a bit different. But he looks good to go,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure he can back up after a two

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Speaker 1: day test. Brendan Doggat Again, he's around the group, so

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Speaker 1: he'll be there and thereabouts. But yeah, I wonder if

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Speaker 1: there's also the opportunity for let's say it is it

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Speaker 1: looking like a Sam friendly pitch. Could they play Webster

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Speaker 1: as the fourth quick and about him an eight or

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Speaker 1: something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and these are all the things they'll be talking about,

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Speaker 3: because I think if it is a Webster at seven

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Speaker 3: over green, then you know, you look at Michael NIE's spot.

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Speaker 3: It would feel harsh on him, but maybe you can go, well,

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Speaker 3: Webster can kind of give us seventy percent of what

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Speaker 3: Nissa does with the ball, he's obviously the better batter,

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Speaker 3: and then you go, well we can get a quicker

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Speaker 3: bowler in there. Maybe that opens the door for dogg

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Speaker 3: it because I think, you know, McDonald said after that

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Speaker 3: Melbourne Test that Richardson he was really picked because it

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Speaker 3: was a four man paid attack like in the three

478
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Speaker 3: men attack with his his injury issues with his inability

479
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Speaker 3: to throw as well over a longer Test match, could

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Speaker 3: you know it could kind of be exploited a bit

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Speaker 3: by England. Yeah, that's a that's a different conversation. So

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Speaker 3: dog it's a hybrid of the two where he's yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's got that pitched up, can swing it kind of

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Speaker 3: option and then but then can also bowl, you know,

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Speaker 3: one forty clicks and bowl the bumper stuff. So the

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Speaker 3: more I'm talking about it, the more it makes sense

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Speaker 3: that it's what dogged in for Venissa Murphy and for Richardson,

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Speaker 3: Webster in for Green. I don't know that kind of

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Speaker 3: all has a nice ring to it. It seems weird that

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Speaker 3: they would I mean, they did lose this last Test,

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Speaker 3: but it seemed weird that they make three changes to

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Speaker 3: numbers between number seven and eleven and none to the

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Speaker 3: top six right, because you know if you yeah, they

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Speaker 3: got bowled out twice under two hundred, that's probably where

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Speaker 3: the problems lie in that particular test. But it'd be

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Speaker 3: hard to come down too hard given it's been a

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Speaker 3: pretty successful series, albeit with some batting limitations.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we know that they've made lots of changes between

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Speaker 1: every Test match this series, which has been a bit

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Speaker 1: unusual considering they've been winning. And George Bailey is a

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Speaker 1: big fan of this show, so he will take your advice.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure England have lost another fast ball, of course,

503
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Speaker 1: Gus Adkinson. He's out of the series. Archer so's Mark

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Speaker 1: Wood probably opens the door for Matthew Potts and that

505
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Speaker 1: might be the only change for England. Jacob Bethel what

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Speaker 1: a revelation at number three. Maybe they'll be wishing they

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Speaker 1: picked him in a little bit earlier in place of Olipope.

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Speaker 1: But otherwise they don't have a lot of other options

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Speaker 1: as we've touched on to go to so it might

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Speaker 1: be pretty stable side for the tourists.

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Speaker 4: Was that another choice?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Olipope is the backup batter now, so

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Speaker 3: can't really make any changes there. Matthew Fisher is the

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Speaker 3: only other one not in the original squad, but he

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Speaker 3: was brought in after I.

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Speaker 2: Think after the word.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting that that three fast bowlers have gone down.

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Speaker 3: Three they're they're probably they're three leading bowlers coming into

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Speaker 3: the series. You'd argue Josh tungu Wan leap frog all

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Speaker 3: of them subsequently. But yeah, the three guys that they

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Speaker 3: were probably highest on, you know, Cast might have been

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Speaker 3: that fourth, that fourth kind of guy. He's ended up

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Speaker 3: as their most certainly their leading We could take a yes,

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Speaker 3: questions about his economy and everything, but he was brilliant

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Speaker 3: and that second innings in Melbourne, and if you kind

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Speaker 3: of look at all I think, if you look at

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Speaker 3: all the numbers with Cass except for the runs conceded

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Speaker 3: and the runs per over column, he's had an excellent

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Speaker 3: series as far as visiting quicks goes. So yeah, so

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Speaker 3: he's done pretty well. But yeah, the three others gone down,

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Speaker 3: but they've only replaced Yeah, only brought in one quick

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Speaker 3: to replace three injured fast bowlers. So you know, it's

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Speaker 3: got to be Cast again. It's got to be Tongue

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Speaker 3: who had an next Player of the match in Melbourne,

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Speaker 3: And then it's got to be one of Potts and

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Speaker 3: Fihote and Pots Yeah, like I'll be interested to see

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Speaker 3: how he goes out here. Rob Key, their director of cricket,

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Speaker 3: has been on the record about not wanting to pick

539
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Speaker 3: kind of dibbley doubler bowlers who succeed in county cricket.

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Speaker 3: There's lots you know who average in the low twenties

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Speaker 3: high teens in county cricket every year that they could

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Speaker 3: pick and you know, no a good first class bowlers

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Speaker 3: and they haven't for the purposely going we need one

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Speaker 3: hundred and forty kilometer an hour guys, and pots is

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Speaker 3: you know, Pots I think is more in the Nie

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Speaker 3: of Bowland kind of speed range, and I think that's

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Speaker 3: where it's important to have this distinction around the conversations

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Speaker 3: and kind of point out and maybe a floor in

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Speaker 3: England thinking like the conversation isn't one forty k or nothing, like,

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Speaker 3: you can still do a lot of damage in the

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Speaker 3: high one twenties, early one thirties, you just have to

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Speaker 3: be really accurate. And Australia have you know two of

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Speaker 3: their most success Yes, Stark is Starks a freak show,

554
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Speaker 3: so like you're just not going to find out exactly

555
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Speaker 3: so England can't find they don't have a Stark. They

556
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Speaker 3: haven't had left arm fast bowler in years, let alone

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Speaker 3: one who is as durable and as quick as as

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Speaker 3: Mitchell Stark. So so you take him out and then

559
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Speaker 3: the other successful bowlers have been your nieces and your bowlers.

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Speaker 3: Matthew Potts seems like their best equivalent to those guys.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, a bit of a mystery potentially by not

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Speaker 3: playing him if they think he's their best that style

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Speaker 3: of bowler long way round of saying, look, I think

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Speaker 3: Matthew pots will probably play in Sydney.

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Speaker 1: We know England have got their style and they've been

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Speaker 1: keen to stick to it, so that's maybe why we

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Speaker 1: haven't seen any deviation from that as.

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Speaker 2: The series has evolved.

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Speaker 1: But on just on the Brighton Cars stuff, across the

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Speaker 1: whole series, the strike rate is at an all time

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Speaker 1: low for an Ashes. Wicket's been taking every forty balls

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Speaker 1: for the series, lou and the series with the next

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Speaker 1: best in terms of bowlers is forty seven back in

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Speaker 1: nineteen oh two. So this is mixed bess Ashes series

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Speaker 1: and experts Ashes series. So this is an unprecedented series

576
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Speaker 1: for the bowlers. Let's see if they can continue things

577
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Speaker 1: here at the SAG. Day three will be of course

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Speaker 1: the Pink Test Day or the Jane McGrady. You can

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Speaker 1: buy your virtual seats at pinktest dot com. You definitely

580
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Speaker 1: recommend you get on there and support a great cause.

581
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Speaker 1: No longer just putting breast cancer nurses either, all cancer

582
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Speaker 1: now so covering that off for getting to rural and

583
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Speaker 1: remote areas another great cause.

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Speaker 2: And this is the eighteenth year. Can you believe that?

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Speaker 1: Eighteen years it's been running now and it's getting stronger

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Speaker 1: every year.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I can only repeat the words from

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Speaker 3: the highest office in this country. Anthony Albanezi begged the

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Speaker 3: two teams at Kurribilly House to get this get this

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Speaker 3: game into day.

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Speaker 4: Three, so brilliant.

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Speaker 3: Cause love seeing this place lit up in pink on

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Speaker 3: day three. So yep, we're getting there. Josh, have you

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Speaker 3: got your pink shirt ready?

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Speaker 1: Not yet, but I've got something in the works hopefully,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, okay, what do.

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Speaker 3: You mean in the works showing it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, no, nothing pink yet, but hopefully we get

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Speaker 1: to day three and we get to both wear something pink.

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Speaker 4: Look forward to it.

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Speaker 3: Mine will be getting onned maybe pretest.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 1: Another man who will be hoping this test goes into

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Speaker 1: day three and beyond is Todd Murphy. We caught up

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Speaker 1: with him a little earlier today and this is our

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Speaker 1: chat with the Victorian spinner. All right, we are sitting

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Speaker 1: in the members pavilion at the SCG, two days out

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Speaker 1: from the fifth and final Ashes test of the summer,

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Speaker 1: joined by Todd Murphy. Happy New Year mate, What did

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Speaker 1: you do for New Year's Eve?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Thank you, happen to you to you guys. Well, we

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Speaker 7: travel up from Melbourne News Eve and then they put

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Speaker 7: on a nice little function up on the rooftop of

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Speaker 7: the Intercontinental where we're staying. Made it to the nine

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Speaker 7: o'clock fireworks, didn't quite get through to midnight, but that

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Speaker 7: was a nice view across the harbor and lots of

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Speaker 7: kids running around and how all the family are there.

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Speaker 6: That was a nice night.

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Speaker 1: And then we get to this special arena, the SCG.

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Speaker 2: Have you played a lot here?

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Speaker 1: What are your memories of this place and what do

624
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Speaker 1: you think about when you think about Ashes cricket here

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Speaker 1: at the SCG.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've played a few shoel games here, not heaps.

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Speaker 7: I think I played two or three and then obviously

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Speaker 7: been a part of the Sydney Sixers for the last

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Speaker 7: four or five years, so he played a lot of

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Speaker 7: TEA twenty cricket out here. It's always been yeah, great

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Speaker 7: fun and because theres always a nice atmosphere around the

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Speaker 7: around the ground. Yeah, ashes cricket at the SCG. It's

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Speaker 7: a good question. What do I think of there when the.

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Speaker 6: Old boys all retired here?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there was a couple of them in the one

636
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Speaker 7: game one there that was good memories. And then yeah

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Speaker 7: there's been I suppose some yeah, some big scores made here,

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Speaker 7: not ashes cricket, but pups three hundred.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, some good memories there.

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Speaker 1: And then another retirement as well this week. We've just

641
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Speaker 1: heard this morning usmun Kuai is going to call it

642
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Speaker 1: quits after this Test match. What's he been like as

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Speaker 1: a teammate to play with.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's obviously been a phenomenal career. He's sort of

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Speaker 7: been in another side for the first part of his

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Speaker 7: career and then come back in and had a great

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Speaker 7: finish to his career. So yeah, since I've come in,

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Speaker 7: he's been great. It's obviously a really calming influence and

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Speaker 7: happy to yeah, give some feedback, but in a really

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Speaker 7: constructive way. So yeah, he's been really good to bowl

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Speaker 7: to learn off. And yeah, it's nicest to be around

652
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Speaker 7: a guy who's quite calm and doesn't let the occasion

653
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Speaker 7: get to him. So yeah, it been a great career

654
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 7: and obviously an awesome way for him to go out

655
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 7: of here.

656
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: We know you grew up on the New Chaffals Victorian

657
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: border and I'm going to ask you in a second

658
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: whether you know whether you're a Victorian or in New

659
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: South Welsh And I noticed you got asked that yesterday

660
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: in the press conference, but can you before that, could

661
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: you just kind of tell us about test cricket memories

662
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: growing up, Like we you we go to the s

663
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: CG for games.

664
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: Did you go to the MCG? What was or did

665
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: you just watch it on TV?

666
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 6: Yeah?

667
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 7: A lot more on TV, but if we ever went

668
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 7: down the MCG, obviously a lot closer. It was only

669
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 7: about three hours to Melbourne and about eight hours to Sydney,

670
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 7: so I never come to a creer game at the

671
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 7: SCG as a kid. But yeah, memories of cricket growing

672
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 7: up back home was just summer of cricket, Like grew

673
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 7: up in a house full of cricket. Dad was heavily

674
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 7: involved in the local career club. Have an older brother

675
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 7: who I sort of just followed his footsteps the whole

676
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 7: way and was everywhere he was around cricket during the

677
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 7: So yeah, mad cricket house and always loved it.

678
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: Okay, New South Wales or Victoria, what's the push and

679
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: Paul being like over the journey.

680
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 7: No, I'm definitely a Victorian, but yeah, I do have

681
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 7: a little tied to New South Wales and my family

682
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 7: is still all back there now.

683
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 6: But yeah, definitely a Victorian right And.

684
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: For the like the pathway stuff when you're out in

685
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: the bush, I've always been interested, like would you be

686
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: able to go to you know, if you missed out

687
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: on the Vicks because you go to the border and.

688
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 7: Try it with the blue Yeah. I did all the

689
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 7: way up until under fifteens. I did the New South

690
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 7: Wales and Victorian Pathway. So played Riverina for the News

691
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 7: of Whales stuff and we'd come to Newcastle for the

692
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 7: Bradman Cup and all that sort of stuff. So played

693
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 7: I reckon three of them and then played all my

694
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 7: junior rep stuff for Northern Rivers and same thing it

695
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 7: sort of got to the point where it was just

696
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 7: it's going to be too hard from school level to

697
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 7: try and get down to Sydney for state trials.

698
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 6: So it was always a lot easier.

699
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 7: To get to Melbourne and was a part of the

700
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 7: the Victorian country under under seventeens under nineteen.

701
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 6: So yeah, from I think.

702
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 7: Fifteen, sort of Parke New So Wales be school is

703
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 7: gonna be too hard and yeah, went down the Victorian

704
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 7: path and.

705
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: Surely the fact year old man played for St Kilda

706
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: like that was you know, you couldn't go anywhere else.

707
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 6: Right, and that was yeah.

708
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 7: Like I think growing up I sort of always had

709
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 7: aspirations of well, that's what I want to do is

710
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 7: go place in Kilden. I thought that was sort of yeah,

711
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 7: that was going to be the best thing I could

712
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 7: possibly do. So I was, yeah, chips in on trying

713
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 7: to get down to Melbourne. And yet you mentioned Dad

714
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 7: was there, so it was nice sort of following his

715
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 7: footsteps and go down there and yeah, try and play

716
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 7: some first leven cricket and then push on from there.

717
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: In terms of straddling that side of the Victoria New

718
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: South Wales board, I know Aubreyl Dongo has a bit

719
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: of a rivalry.

720
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 4: Is there the same thing as Chuko Miami heavy rivalry?

721
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 6: There?

722
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 7: Definitely the forty teams don't play against the other, but

723
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 7: the cricket definitely do. When Yeah, that's always the highlight

724
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 7: of the year you can beat a Chuka. So yeah,

725
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 7: always good memories there.

726
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: Let's fast forward to this series Todd, where I mean

727
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: you spoke about in twenty twenty three, you're part of

728
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: the Ashes squad and you saw Nathan Lyon go down

729
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: at Lords and you knew that you were probably the

730
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: man in right, How did it transpire this time when

731
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 3: nath went down?

732
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, I suppose sort of the same thing, like when

733
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 7: he goes down here, you obviously gutted for him, but

734
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 7: then your head goes to, well, what can that potentially

735
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 7: look like for me? And yeah, I didn't really know

736
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 7: exactly where I sat in terms of the pecking order

737
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 7: for spin bowling and.

738
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 6: What they were thinking for the last couple of games.

739
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 6: But yeah, I.

740
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 7: Suppose you're aware of I played the last Aussie A game,

741
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 7: so I thought i'd be around the mark And yeah,

742
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 7: it's nice when you get a call and I sort

743
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 7: of say we want you to come and come down

744
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 7: to Melbourne and be a part of the group again

745
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 7: and get back around it.

746
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, pleasing you were straight back into that squad

747
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: for the Boxing Day Test, which, as a Victorian and representative,

748
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: is your home test match. Was that a bit gutting

749
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: to miss out on selection there?

750
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 6: Yeah?

751
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 7: I think when you got when I got the call

752
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 7: and my head sort of went to MCG Boxing Day Test,

753
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 7: like how amazing that would be. But I think when

754
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 7: I got to the MCG, walked out and had a look,

755
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 7: I was pretty quick to realize that maybe not. So

756
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 7: it wasn't like it come as a slap in the

757
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 7: face or anything. When Dodd has told me that I

758
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 7: wasn't playing, I was sort of yeah, I was able

759
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 7: to read the room a little bit and yeah, awhere

760
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 7: if what was going on out in the middle and

761
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 7: what it might have looked like. So I would have

762
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 7: obviously been an amazing game to be a part of.

763
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 7: Growing up A Boxing Day Tests, I think the pinnacle

764
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 7: for all Australian cricketers and especially being an ASHES, so

765
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 7: that would have been incredible to be a part of.

766
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 2: But yeah, no qualms and then what's your gut feel

767
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: ahead of this one.

768
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: We're two days out here, there's already a very much

769
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: a grand tinge to it.

770
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good question.

771
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 7: I actually like sitting here now, I don't really know,

772
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 7: to be honest, the conversations have been sort of around

773
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 7: that and they're not really exactly sure what we're going

774
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 7: to get and how it's going to play. But yeah,

775
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 7: my job is just prepare to play and make sure

776
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 7: I give myself the best chance if I do get selected,

777
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 7: to go out there and do well. So yeah, my

778
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 7: head's in that frame at the moment, and then wait

779
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 7: to see what decision they come to and yeah, if not,

780
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 7: then support the boys the best I can. And if

781
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 7: I do, then yeah, awesome.

782
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 3: Can you talk to us a little bit about the

783
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 3: journey from twenty twenty three where you know you've played

784
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 3: in the series against India, had done really well, got

785
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: vir out out a bunch of times, and then really

786
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 3: held your own in that Ashes series too, the journey

787
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: with your.

788
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 4: Bowling from then to now.

789
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I was I said it, Yes, I

790
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 7: think I was aware that obviously had those opportunities and

791
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 7: understand the fact that like back in these conditions and

792
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 7: a lot of places around the world that you're only

793
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 7: going to need one spinner to be a part of it,

794
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 7: and Nith obviously wasn't going anywhere and all that, so

795
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 7: I understood that I was back to Shieldgriget and I

796
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 7: had to try and work away, which was I think

797
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 7: the best thing for me as well, to go back

798
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 7: and sort of be able to work away in the

799
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 7: background a little.

800
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 6: Bit, and yeah, try and keep evolving.

801
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 7: I was only twenty three the last Ashes series, so

802
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 7: I felt like I still had a lot to learn

803
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 7: and develop. And yes, it's been a couple of years

804
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 7: of just trying to learn my craft and help contribute

805
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 7: to Victoria and try and win games for them as well.

806
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's sort of been just along that journey,

807
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 7: and then there's been some nice opportunities along the way

808
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 7: with some Ousia akrig It a little bit accounting cricket

809
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 7: as well, Just to try and get experiences in different

810
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 7: conditions and try and just keep evolving my game in

811
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 7: different parts of the world.

812
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 3: And kind of going, yeah, thinking of those different conditions.

813
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,479
Speaker 3: I heard you played in that or you speaking about

814
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: that Ace series in India at the start of this

815
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: summer talking about your sweating so much you couldn't grab

816
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: the ball.

817
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 7: Can you talk to us about that. I'd never experienced

818
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 7: that before at all, but obviously that's the time of

819
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 7: the year. It was in India, super humid, and even

820
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 7: the Indian boys were struggling, so I knew it wasn't

821
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 7: just me. But yeah, just with the amount of sweat

822
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 7: that was coming off you, you couldn't get your hands dry out,

823
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 7: your pants or wet. Your shirt was wet. The towel

824
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 7: you have on was wet within a couple of minutes

825
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 7: as well. So yeah, it was a learning experience, a

826
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 7: challenge to try and find ways to keep your hands

827
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 7: as dry as you're good. So yeah, gave yourself the

828
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 7: best chance of got a good grip on the ball.

829
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 7: But yeah, it wasn't easy. It's definitely the first time

830
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 7: I've encountered that. And yeah, just trying to find subtle

831
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 7: different ways to hold the seam, and yeah, still be

832
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 7: able to try and put as much for it as

833
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 7: you can on not without that feeling of you've got

834
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 7: a great control over it.

835
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: How is it bowling with Corey rocket Charlie in those matches,

836
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: because you know, you sort of both know that you've

837
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: it's a dress rehearsal, wasn't it for the next to

838
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: Nathan Lyons? So how do you go about maintaining your

839
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: composure and that relationship with your teammates spin bowler.

840
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 6: I think a cricket's been super for that.

841
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 7: Like it's sort of you go away with different guys

842
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 7: and you can bounce things off each other, and I

843
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 7: think when you look at it, like you separate that

844
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 7: sort of stuff and you sort of try and work

845
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 7: together and hope that one day you're back in India

846
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 7: playing test with it together and try and build that

847
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 7: relationship early and throw different.

848
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 6: Ideas at each other.

849
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 7: We've obviously got different strengths and different weaknesses, so just

850
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 7: try and bounce that off each other, and yeah, have

851
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 7: open conversations around what he's trying to do, what I'm

852
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 7: trying to do, what we see the.

853
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 6: Batter is trying to do.

854
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 7: And yeah, I think we compliment other quite well in

855
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 7: a different sense as well, so you can pose different

856
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 7: challenges to batter. So yeah, it's definitely like in those

857
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 7: A series you're not over there and worry about the

858
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 7: doing well and all that sort of stuff. You're trying

859
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 7: to work together and Yeah, work out what's best works

860
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 7: for you and how you can help each other.

861
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: And I suppose we spoke about yesterday your flexibility and

862
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: how you want to get more versatile in different conditions

863
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: to somebody who hasn't seen you play a lot, and

864
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: it will be if you do play your first Test

865
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: in Australia. What would you say are your strongest attributes

866
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: has spinner?

867
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd like to think I've got a good game

868
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 7: sence and understand sort of the tempos of the game.

869
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 7: And I think that's quite important as a spin bowler,

870
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 7: trying to read sort of the situation of the game

871
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 7: and what a batter is trying to do. And yeah,

872
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 7: I think I've just got enough subtle variations there without

873
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 7: changing too much that I can sort of pose different

874
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 7: questions to batters. And yeah, it won't always look the

875
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 7: same as what I suppose Nathan is with just his

876
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 7: best ball the whole time. I might be slightly different

877
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 7: and try a few different things, and yeah, just try

878
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 7: and get a read on the game and try and yeah,

879
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 7: just throw different things at the better.

880
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: Can you tell us about the shoulder problems you've had

881
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: told and what Yeah, when did they kind of first

882
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: come up, How did they affect your bowling and how

883
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 3: have you kind of been able to overcome them if

884
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: you have.

885
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was sort of just at the back end

886
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 7: of that Ashes series when I had a massive, sort

887
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 7: of twelve months, and I think going into that Indian series,

888
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 7: I've only played four or five first class games, so

889
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 7: I sort of I probably wasn't physically ready to have

890
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 7: a big amount of Test cricket. Obviously it was awesome

891
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 7: to get the opportunity, but it just, yeah, it's sort

892
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 7: of come to the point where it was just workload

893
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 7: and I just bowled a lot across that twelve months and.

894
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 6: It sort of just caught up with me a little bit.

895
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 7: And yeah, I had some tendon damage and some instability

896
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 7: in my shoulder which was just sort of affecting the

897
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 7: power I could get out of it. And obviously being

898
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 7: a spinner, you've relied pretty heavily on your shoulder. So yeah,

899
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 7: it was a challenge, and especially like twenty two twenty three,

900
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 7: I probably had never been through anything like that before,

901
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 7: and you want it just to be a quick fix,

902
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 7: and you want to feel good again, and you don't

903
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 7: understand why it's happening, and why it feels like that. So, yeah,

904
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 7: it's just about I suppose, yeah, letting it take its toll,

905
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 7: and I understand it might take a little bit of time,

906
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 7: but invest now and hopefully I can put it behind

907
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 7: me moving forward and be able to cope with the

908
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 7: difficulties of playing a lot of four day cricket in

909
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 7: five day creat because that's what I've always wanted to do.

910
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 7: So yeah, put in some really good strength work and

911
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 7: a lot of different rehab stuff to try and get

912
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 7: it to the position where it can cope with long

913
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 7: format cricket. And it's still Yeah. Now I'm still working

914
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 7: through it. Still do a lot of rehab for it

915
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 7: and get a lot of treatment through it, just to

916
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 7: try and give it.

917
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 6: The best chance of getting through games.

918
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 3: Is it the biggest challenge you've had, Todd, Because we

919
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: looked at it. You mentioned you made your Test dabu

920
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: off not a whole lot of first class cricket and

921
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: have gone from strength to strength otherwise. Yeah, how has

922
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: it been your biggest challenge?

923
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 7: I think so, And I think it's just when you've

924
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 7: had a taste of playing Test Creek, you desperately just

925
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 7: want to get back there as well. And then back

926
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 7: through shield cricket, trying to navigate through a little shoulder

927
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 7: issue and wondering why it wasn't feeling good, why the

928
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 7: ball didn't feel like it was coming out of my

929
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 7: hand how I wanted to, and probably getting a little

930
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 7: bit frustrated with myself in that sense. So it was, Yeah,

931
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 7: it was difficult, but I think a really important learning

932
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 7: as well. And I was lucky that Victorious spored me

933
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 7: really well. Bucky Rogers, Dave Passi were awesome through that

934
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 7: period and just said we want to give you a

935
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 7: chance to step away and get it right. Don't try

936
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 7: and chase through the pain, and go and get it right.

937
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 7: And we know we can get you back and try

938
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 7: and get your back bowling the best you can again.

939
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 7: And it feels like over the last sort of twelve

940
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 7: months it's been that way.

941
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: So you played six Tests in twenty twenty three. One

942
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: of mine during memories of that actual series was you

943
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: with the bat hitting Mark Wood for a couple or

944
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: three sixers maybe at Leeds. Can you talk us through

945
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 1: that particular moment of play because he was bowling gas

946
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: in that match.

947
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was the last Test at the Oval.

948
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 7: Ye I don't think I would have employment Leeds that

949
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 7: was absolutely rapid, but I always enjoy batting, so yeah,

950
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 7: I think we're a little bit behind the game there

951
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 7: as well. So it was nice to put on a

952
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 7: good partnership with Paddy. I think it gave us a

953
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 7: little bit of a first things lead as well. So

954
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 7: I think it's Yeah, as a bowler, I know how

955
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 7: frustrating is when tail enders can make runs always trying Yeah,

956
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 7: put price in my wicket and yeah, try and contribute

957
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 7: as much as I can.

958
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: Calling yourself a tailor and there are you.

959
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 7: Oh definitely, Yeah, no doubt about that. Come foot number

960
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 7: ten or eleven. So no, that's my role.

961
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: And is it true you were a medium pacer yourself

962
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: before you started a bowling spin.

963
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, well back to that last question, like I was

964
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 7: sort of a medium pacer that always thought I'd be

965
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 7: a left handed batter for autralia've ever played, Yeah, never

966
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 7: thought I'd be playing as a bowler. So it's funny

967
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 7: how things do evolve. But I think like a lot

968
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 7: of kids just sort of you grew up you want

969
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 7: to be a fast bowler, and then you work out

970
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 7: at a certain point that maybe that's not your best

971
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 7: best go, So yeah, I reckon that was sort of

972
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 7: fifteen or fifteen sixteen sort of, yeah, put that to

973
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 7: the side, and he was never going to take me anywhere.

974
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: I've heard Craig out you spin mental tell this story

975
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: that he was watching you bowl at a at a

976
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: Pathway trial. He was there with his son Bendigo, and

977
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: saw your mucking around bowling offspin and goes, there's your

978
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: best off spin to the coach.

979
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 4: Do you kind of recall that that.

980
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 6: Happening, Yeah, briefly, I do.

981
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 7: I remember that that session, and I sort of always

982
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 7: tinker with bold spin and the nets sort of from

983
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 7: fourteen I reckon where I was like, I couldn't be

984
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 7: bothered bolo medium pace all the time on those hot

985
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 7: summer nights, So yeah, always tinker with it. And then

986
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 7: I do remember that that was sort of yeah, first

987
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 7: sort of brief introduction actually working away a little bit

988
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 7: at it, and I didn't really know who how he

989
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 7: was at that stage, but yeah, got the feedback that, yeah,

990
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 7: Craig thought there was something there, and I was like, oh,

991
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 7: that's quite interesting. Sort of went away and kept tinking

992
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 7: with it a little bit, but still kept bowl medium pace.

993
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 7: Sort of in games and that sort of stuff, and

994
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 7: then I reckon It was the next year after that

995
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 7: that I moved down to Bendigo to play cricket where

996
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 7: Craig was captain the Sands Criet club and got a

997
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 7: full year with him before I went down to Saint Kilda,

998
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 7: just being able to Yeah, I was only training down

999
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 7: in Bendigo sort of once a week, maybe twice a

1000
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 7: week every now and then with school and all that,

1001
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 7: but just getting that constant I suppose work with him

1002
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 7: and just sort of yeah, learning off him and what

1003
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 7: he was seeing and thinking, and yeah, that's sort of

1004
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 7: where my I've spin sort of started.

1005
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, can you count your lucky stars a bit?

1006
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 3: Going, Like, you grow up in a reasonably remote part

1007
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: of the world, not just Australia, and you know in

1008
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: your backyard is this world class spin coach.

1009
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, it is pretty cool and I guess that's yeah,

1010
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 7: one of the beauties of the country is like Craig

1011
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 7: saw someone there that I thought was worth working with,

1012
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 7: and yeah, he was so giving with his time as

1013
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 7: well at that stage and just had a real passion

1014
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 7: for spin bowling and wanted to see everyone that could

1015
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 7: do it. Give it a good crack. So yeah, one

1016
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 7: hundred percent like to have someone like that only an

1017
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 7: hour away from me was super lucky. And then it

1018
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,959
Speaker 7: sort of was funny how it worked, like ever since

1019
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 7: I started working with Craig then he was sort of

1020
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 7: the spin consultant for the pathway stuff for Cricket Australia,

1021
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 7: so throughout those national carnivals was still going to chat

1022
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 7: to him, and then under nine M World Cup he

1023
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 7: was around. We had a lot of little different trips

1024
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 7: to the MRF camp in India where he was there

1025
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 7: as well as a spin consultant. So yeah, it was

1026
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 7: sort of just one of those ones that seemed to

1027
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 7: just align really well and build a really good relationship

1028
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 7: over the last ten or so years to Yeah, we

1029
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 7: was help so much.

1030
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: Can I specifically about this year that the work he

1031
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: did with him in August? Can you talk us through

1032
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 3: what was going wrong and what you did to fix it.

1033
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 7: There was probably just a couple of things that was

1034
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 7: creeping in when I was over in County Cricket wasn't

1035
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 7: loving how I was bowling, and it just sort of

1036
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 7: felt that I lacked a little bit of energy on

1037
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 7: the ball and I didn't know why, because I felt

1038
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 7: like my energy within myself was really good, and it

1039
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 7: just felt like sort of the end product wasn't exactly

1040
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 7: where I wanted it, and sort of was chatting to

1041
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 7: Craig the whole time I was over there, and he

1042
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 7: was just throwing a couple of things at me, and

1043
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 7: I was looking through it, and it's a.

1044
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 6: Bit different over there. I didn't have access to.

1045
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 7: Review my footage, so I was sort of trying to

1046
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 7: go back and watch YouTube live streams and that, but

1047
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 7: it was quite hard to sort of get the right

1048
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 7: angles of what we're trying to work through and understand that.

1049
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 7: So yeah, when I got home, it sort of just

1050
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 7: worked out that he'd finished up with Sri Lanka as well,

1051
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 7: so he was back in Bendigo, and yeah, we just

1052
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 7: chatted and worked out Sunday that was going to work,

1053
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 7: and I just got got in the car and drove

1054
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 7: to Bendigo, which was only two hours from home, so

1055
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 7: that wasn't too bad. Went down the Sunday morning and

1056
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 7: it was literally only an hour an hour and a

1057
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 7: half of work that we just tinker with a few

1058
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 7: different things, some alignment stuff and just trying to get

1059
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 7: all my energy directed the right way and just get

1060
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 7: my arm path coming back through where we wanted it to.

1061
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 7: And yeah, it was sort of an hour of hour

1062
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 7: and a half of work and just some vision stuff

1063
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 7: and then it was sort of back onto me to

1064
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 7: go back to Melbourne, back to big training and sort

1065
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 7: of be able to drill the stuff that we worked

1066
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 7: on there. And yeah, it felt like from that point onwards,

1067
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 7: I sort of was back to what I was doing.

1068
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 7: I felt like I was in good positions again, and

1069
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 7: I felt like I had the energy back on the

1070
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 7: ball that I sort of was looking for over the

1071
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 7: last sort of yeah, year and year and a bit.

1072
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 7: So I think back to what you said before around

1073
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 7: my shoulder, It felt like I was maybe just over

1074
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 7: compensating for the lack of power at a time where

1075
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 7: I was trying to create it in different ways, but

1076
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 7: that got me into bad position. So now that I

1077
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 7: trust that, I've done a lot of the work to

1078
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 7: get myself back to a position where I feel like

1079
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 7: I'm physically strong and can do all the stuff with

1080
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 7: my shoulders. Okay, what have you sort of gone away

1081
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 7: from here and how can you just get back into

1082
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 7: better positions and trust that, Yeah, you're sort of you're

1083
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 7: going to have the power in the right spots.

1084
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: That's really brilliant. And what was all this done? Like

1085
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: in a synthoet?

1086
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, just at Santas Creer Club back where where we

1087
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 7: both played. And yes, one syntho net with a Craigate

1088
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 7: his iPad out and a bag of balls and just

1089
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 7: yea bawl into an empty net and yeah, just sort

1090
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 7: of back to real basics, but sort of just rediscovering, yeah,

1091
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 7: what it was. And that's probably the biggest thing that

1092
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 7: I sort of get from Craig is he's sort of

1093
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 7: known me from when I started to where I am now,

1094
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 7: so he can see those small little things that have

1095
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 7: changed that maybe I don't even feel, so yeah, that's

1096
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 7: been the best part of it.

1097
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: Who else, Obviously Craig has been a massive influence on

1098
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: your career. Are there other spin bowlers who or particular

1099
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: coaches who have had a big flint on youll career?

1100
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1101
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 7: I've been really lucky sort of everywhere I've went, I

1102
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 7: felt like I've been around a really good spin bowl

1103
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 7: in the senior spin bowler as well. So when I

1104
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 7: first stepped into the Victorian set up, had Johnny Holln

1105
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 7: there to work with, who obviously played a bit of

1106
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 7: test create but a hell of a lot of first

1107
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 7: guys forgetten. He was really good for me as well,

1108
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 7: and probably more learned off him the tactical side of

1109
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 7: the game and how that looks and what he'd sort

1110
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 7: of do approaching games and approaching different batters. So yeah,

1111
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 7: it was really lucky to work with him. And then

1112
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 7: the last couple of years he's been doing some coaching

1113
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 7: at Victoria as well, so I've been able to keep

1114
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 7: that relationship which has been awesome. Yeah, my first taste

1115
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 7: the Sixers, I had Steve O'Keefe here as well, so

1116
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 7: from white ball point of view, was awesome to be

1117
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 7: around him and learn off him. And then ever since

1118
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 7: I've been around the Australian set up, I've had Dan

1119
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 7: v Toori there as well, who's one of the best

1120
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 7: spin bowls to play, so and obviously Nathan Lyon. So

1121
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 7: been super lucky in the environments that I've been into

1122
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 7: that I've had those sort of guys around, So yeah,

1123
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 7: it's always great to bounce ideas off those guys who

1124
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 7: have had the experiences and seen a lot around the world.

1125
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 6: And yeah, just learned off them.

1126
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: And I can't say I've ever seen Craig bowl in

1127
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: his days for Victoria, but according to his online profile

1128
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: he's a leg spinner. Did he ever try and convince

1129
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: you to bow leg spin in your early day? Now?

1130
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 7: So when I was playing with Craig, he was an

1131
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 7: ospiner right at the end of his career. So he

1132
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 7: started as a young leggie and from all reports, a

1133
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 7: beautiful leg break, and then I think he had similar

1134
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 7: sort of he had really bad shoulder of stuff where

1135
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 7: he went through some surgeries and now I don't think

1136
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 7: he ever rediscovered his best with legspin, so then he

1137
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 7: reverted to ospin. I think he was quite close of

1138
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 7: playing for Victoria as well as an ospiner. So yeah,

1139
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 7: he's obviously I think that's what makes me a really

1140
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 7: good coach as well. He's got sort of both aspects

1141
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 7: covered really well, and yeah, can sort of. Yeah, he's

1142
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 7: really really coachbought to different guys, So yeah, he was

1143
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 7: a really nice off here when I was playing with

1144
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 7: him as well. He made some country career that to

1145
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 7: looked quite silly.

1146
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: Apparently the emergence of a young leg spinner named Shane

1147
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: Warren didn't help his So yeah.

1148
00:50:59,200 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 6: To take a back seat.

1149
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 3: What about off spinners around the world Todd like, who

1150
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: do you or who have you looked at in the past,

1151
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 3: and who do you kind of other bits of their

1152
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 3: game that that you try and take.

1153
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 7: I think it's you don't have to look too much

1154
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 7: further than Eith And I think sort of the thing

1155
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 7: that you look at him and what makes him so

1156
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 7: good is just his adaptability around the world and it's

1157
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 7: not changing much. It's sort of he's just found a

1158
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 7: recipe that works for him and he can go to

1159
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 7: any conditions. It can be day one on a green

1160
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 7: wicket or day five on a spinning wicket in the

1161
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 7: subcontinent and he'll be ultracompetitive. So you don't have to

1162
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 7: look much further than him, But yeah, you're always looking

1163
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 7: at a different spinners, like love to watch an Ashman

1164
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 7: bowl and all his sort of saddle variations, and then

1165
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 7: even as close back as Simon Harmer in the last

1166
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 7: Test series over in India, Like just watching a guy

1167
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 7: like that who's he sort of hasn't played a hell

1168
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 7: of all international cricket but been dominating first class cricket

1169
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 7: for a long time, and to watch him go over

1170
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 7: there and do.

1171
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 6: That sort of stuff.

1172
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 7: It's it's always great to watch and just try and

1173
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 7: I suppose understand different trends of the and what Ospin's

1174
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 7: trying to do at different different stages in different parts

1175
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 7: of the world's really important as well in my learning.

1176
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 4: I think it.

1177
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: Felt like we went through like a thing with off spin,

1178
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: like maybe ten years ago, like everyone wanted to buy

1179
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 3: like ademail, right, and you had to get that flex

1180
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 3: in your elbow and push the push the limits, and

1181
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: you need to learn how to bubble boozer. But yeah,

1182
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 3: you're almost saying that lines Naith is just kind of

1183
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 3: simplified things for emerging offices.

1184
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 6: I think so.

1185
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 7: And I think you look at a lot of the

1186
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 7: best bowls in the world, like even the quicks that

1187
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 7: we've got now, like Paddy and Half and that, like

1188
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 7: they don't change overly a lot, and they're just so

1189
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 7: good at repeating the same thing and just asking the

1190
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 7: batters to make decisions off their best ball. So that's

1191
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 7: sort of been I think the biggest strength has just

1192
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 7: been he's always challenging the batsman's defense and it's always

1193
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 7: in the game. And when you're doing that over a

1194
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 7: long period of time, You're always going to get your rewards.

1195
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: If we just bake up again to the start of

1196
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: the year the Sri Lanka two. Are you headed over there?

1197
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: But then you finish the tool with only one test?

1198
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: How did you sort of how do you sort of

1199
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: reflect on that, knowing that you would have been hoping

1200
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: to obviously play both.

1201
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, you're going over there and you want

1202
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 6: to be able to play a role.

1203
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1204
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 7: I think it was no different to anything I've sort

1205
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 7: of said before, Like it was obviously awesome to play

1206
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 7: the first Test and be back in the group again

1207
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 7: after a sort of a year and a half out,

1208
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 7: so it was great back around it. And then yeah,

1209
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 7: you get left out in the second Test, but that's

1210
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 7: part of it, and I don't think my mindset sort

1211
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 7: of shifted from that at all. It was just, yeah,

1212
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 7: I still want to keep developing my game, and I

1213
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 7: know I'm nowhere near sort of the finished bowl that

1214
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 7: I can get to, So it was just, yeah, I

1215
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 7: suppose once year get left out of sight, it's like, Okay,

1216
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 7: I've got still plenty of stuff to work on. So

1217
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 7: back to Shield cricket, back to finish in that season,

1218
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 7: in Shield cricket, and then off season you keep working

1219
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 7: away and you're trying, yeah, give yourself the best chance

1220
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 7: of the next opportunity you get. Hopefully you're in a

1221
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 7: better place of with your bowling than where you were

1222
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 7: when you played your last game. So that's sort of

1223
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 7: how I approached it. And yeah, there was no issues

1224
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 7: there at all. It was, Yeah, another good opportunity to

1225
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 7: go to a different country and learn and yeah go

1226
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 7: from there.

1227
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: And when you head over there to beat India or Schlanko,

1228
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: maybe a grand in Australia that spins a lot. Do

1229
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: you get excited by that opportunity or is there that

1230
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: extra expectation that people think, oh, well the spin is

1231
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: going to dominate here. How do you sort of balance

1232
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: that expectation.

1233
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good question. I think that's definitely a

1234
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 7: challenge at different times. But yeah, obviously you're super excited.

1235
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 7: It's always nice when you see the ball spin and

1236
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 7: you know you're in the game. But then there's, yeah,

1237
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 7: there is that added responsibility where it's like, okay, all

1238
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 7: these are your conditions. Now it's your chance to go

1239
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 7: and win the game. And you don't get that overly

1240
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 7: A lot in Australia. So it's when you do get

1241
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 7: those opportunities around the world, you want to make the

1242
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 7: most of it because you know that the next one

1243
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 7: might not be too soon. So yeah, there's that added

1244
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 7: responsibility and pressure. But I think the excitement overweghs that

1245
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 7: and you go, oh this is awesome. I want to

1246
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 7: get in the contest and try and see what I

1247
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 7: can do.

1248
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 4: Todd.

1249
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 3: We're hoping Adam Lewis gets on his lawn mower over the.

1250
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 4: Next day or two. I don't know a word to him.

1251
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah you not get on the mower yourself, and yeah,

1252
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 3: shave a bit of grass on it so we can.

1253
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 4: So you play this week of the s A J

1254
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 4: talk all the best if.

1255
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 6: You, Thank you boys. Cheers m

1256
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: H.