1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Friend of the show, Matt Cunningham from Sky News. Good 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: morning to you, Matt. 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: Not too bad. 4 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Mate, It's been a busy week, there is no doubt 5 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: about that. We just caught up with the COLP the 6 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Deputy Opposition later and they are now demanding a full 7 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: scale parliamentary probe into the Eyekac Act, not a closed 8 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: or in house audit by the Gunner government. 9 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: Matt, this is a story that you've. 10 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Been following really very extensively over the last couple of weeks. 11 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: Where are things at. 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 3: Well. It's an interesting call from the orbanization and I 13 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 3: think it's one many territories are probably going to support. 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 3: I think I think we've seenen enough evidence come out 15 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 3: in the past couple of weeks to suggest that just 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 3: we're restoring confidence in this body of body Ukty. We 17 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 3: know we're set up to investigate allegations of wrongdoing, of corruption, 18 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 3: of conflicts of interest in the Northern Territory, and we're 19 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: now in a situation where that body is having all 20 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: sorts of questions asked about its own integrity. So, you know, 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 3: I think that the opposition is probably right in that 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 3: we need to have a proper open review of what's 23 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 3: going on here now? John Lawrence is the lawyer representing 24 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 3: his whistle blower who we have confirmed now John Warrence 25 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 3: will be giving evidence to Estimates today on furtherhalf, and 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 3: he says this should be a public inquiry. I think 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 3: the Northern Territory Police Association have also raised some serious 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 3: concerns about CAD. You have at least three former Attorneys General, 29 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: John Alfred, Chris b and Daryl mans so there's a 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 3: lot of person in the government to actually learn something 31 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 3: about this. I think I have some serious concerns about 32 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 3: what's going on within the. 33 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: Arc now, Matt, you just confirmed there that John Lawrence 34 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: is going to be evident giving evidence today on behalf 35 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: of that whistle blow. 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: What time is that. 37 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: Happening, Well, the expect that that happened at around one 38 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: one thirty PM. Tell you that's my understanding. They need 39 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: to sort of squeeze it in. It needs gone before 40 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: the committee wraps up at two thirty because once the 41 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: committee closes, that hit for that committee, so the opportunity 42 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 3: to respond with finished at about two thirty PM, so 43 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: it needs happened before then. My understanding it will happen 44 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 3: around one one thirty now, well, I don't know if 45 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 3: a certain at the moment is whether it will be 46 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: an open hearing of whether it be done in camera. Now, 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: obviously there's some complications around these issues because the person 48 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 3: who was to give the evidence, and Monts John Lawrence 49 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 3: has seen to give that evidence on their behalf is 50 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: a protected person under the Whistleblower Act. So you know, 51 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: it's obviously important that that person's identity is not revealed. 52 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: Now that person's obviously concerned with the IKA Commission at 53 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 3: them still want towards revealing their identity when gave that 54 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: evidence before Estimates last Tuesday. And now as O Lines 55 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: has told me that he believes that the evidence that 56 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 3: was given by mister Fleming two estimates last Tuesday was 57 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: both defametry towards his client and that it attempted to 58 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: expose his clients. So he has made that application to 59 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 3: respond to mister Fleming, and the Estimate Committee has granded 60 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 3: him that right to respond. 61 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: Goodness may so, I guess we won't really know more 62 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: until a little bit later today, Matt. 63 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: And no matter what, I'm. 64 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: Assuming that you know that detail will will be made public. 65 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: Well, I certainly I hope so Okatie. But that's going 66 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: to be that question is still up in the air. 67 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: I mean if the close during it won't necessarily be 68 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: made public. Now I'm more understanding is that John Lawrence, 69 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 3: on behalf of his client will argue for the evidence 70 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: that Ken Fleming can see the evidence that he's gave 71 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: it estimates last Tuesday, really arguing that that he expands 72 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: on the public record. Now where he goes further than that, 73 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: where else he's going to say. Look, I'm not one 74 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 3: hundred percent clear, but my understanding is he plans to 75 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: robust the allegations that were made by mister Fleming against 76 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 3: that person, the person that he who mister Fleming said 77 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: had made the complaint to the Ikack Inspector. I think 78 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: that mister Lawrence plans to do but some of that 79 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,559 Speaker 3: evidence claiming that it's it was false and miss leaving 80 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 3: in particular claims that were made that this particular person 81 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: had made the complaints to the Ikack Inspector after they 82 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: had been told that the their employment was going to 83 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 3: terminate it. I think you'll argue that he believes that 84 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: that is not the case. And also the complaint that 85 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,679 Speaker 3: was made to the I tack inspector was motivated by jealousy, 86 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: and I'm pretty sure that the can planning used when 87 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 3: he's spoken MS last week standing is that the whistle 88 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 3: blower in absolutely refute that. 89 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: Wow, it is going to be an interesting day and 90 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: we'll wait and find out what comes out a little 91 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: bit later today, Matt Cunningham, will we see you, will 92 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: we see you tomorrow? 93 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: For the week that was, I'll try to. 94 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: Squeeze it in around everything elsewhere. 95 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what it is all happening in Canberra, 96 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: and we are. 97 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: We're just trying to make a few calls now to 98 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: see if we can maybe get Senator Jackie Lamby on 99 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: the show. I believe that she's had had a few 100 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: comments to make with Sky News this morning. I don't 101 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: know whether you've heard or seen any of it around 102 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: the well, I'm not one. 103 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 2: Hundred percent sure. 104 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to just trying to get my 105 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: hands on some of that audio and trying to see 106 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: if we can get her on around these accusations being 107 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: made about Senator Sam McMahon. So we'll see where it 108 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: all ends. 109 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: Up, Matt. 110 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: I'll be watching with interest. 111 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: Yes, good on you, Matt, Cunningham from Sky News. Good 112 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: to catch up with your mate. We'll talk to you soon. 113 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: Thank you.