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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio right now is the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 1: Michael Gunner.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, good a gang, not too bad, Chief Minister.

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Speaker 1: The vaccine roll out, when's it going to open up

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Speaker 1: to everyone? You've been alluding to it for a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks since we last spoke. When are you going

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Speaker 1: to allow all territories over the age of sixteen to

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Speaker 1: get that vaccine?

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Speaker 3: We've had some significant success working in the Australian government

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Speaker 3: already and basically all the territory outside Darwin can access

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Speaker 3: the vaccine sixteen and up. For Americ communities, it's on

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Speaker 3: an essentially a schedule basis. We go and work with

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Speaker 3: the community for when they're ready. So Darwin's been kind

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Speaker 3: of the quirk. So I know the TASH has been

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Speaker 3: working very closely with Greek Hunt, Figeral Minister for Health

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Speaker 3: on this. I've been talking directly with the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 3: I'll be going out later today to say to announce

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Speaker 3: that we will be collapsing the tranches in Darwin.

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Speaker 4: So I thank the PM for that.

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Speaker 3: I think TASH and Greek Hunt for that, so we

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Speaker 3: will be able to essentially have everyone in Darwin. We'll

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Speaker 3: be able to have access to vaccine. Now there's a

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Speaker 3: serious note of caution here. Because we've made it available

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Speaker 3: to everyone doesn't mean you can all get it tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: We have the supply that we need over the coming

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Speaker 3: months to be able to do all this. Something about

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Speaker 3: quadruple the booking slots or anything or that. It's about

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Speaker 3: making it easier for people to get the vaccine, which

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Speaker 3: I think will increase confidence has more people that you

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Speaker 3: know have the vaccine, so that's going to significantly improve

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Speaker 3: the simplicity of our rollout. Does take away a quote

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Speaker 3: that Darwin essentially was the only one that wasn't able

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Speaker 3: to access it. We're able to successfully argue for that

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Speaker 3: based around our indigenouity, mobility and vulnerability if.

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Speaker 4: You look at our population.

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Speaker 3: So essentially Darwin can fall into the remote classification because

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Speaker 3: of the nature and mix of people that we have

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Speaker 3: in our community and the movements there, which I think

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Speaker 3: is just a very sensible decision by the Australian government.

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Speaker 2: I think this is a good move.

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Speaker 1: So essentially, what you are announcing on what you're saying

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Speaker 1: right now is that by the collapsing of those tranches,

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Speaker 1: it means that from tomorrow, anyone over the age of

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Speaker 1: sixteen is eligible to get that vaccine. Of course, you

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Speaker 1: still need to book in. It could still take some

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Speaker 3: The and there's an online booking system forgive me, Katia,

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Speaker 3: it's just specs. If I had on me the actual

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Speaker 3: it's COVID nineteen booking something simple like that. Way, we'll

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Speaker 3: get you the accurate address so you can book online,

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Speaker 3: to make it as easy as possible for you. But

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Speaker 3: I do think it's as we've discussed before, Katie, it's

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Speaker 3: absolutely critical we get as many territoriums vaccinated as possible.

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Speaker 3: We've bought a lot of time with some very tough decisions,

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Speaker 3: but we don't know how much time we've got. If

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Speaker 3: you saw as you are seeing in Victoria right now,

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Speaker 3: we've protected them from that. That person came directly out

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Speaker 3: of hotel quarantine. We've made some changes since then to

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Speaker 3: but that's a very difficult one to close, and so really,

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Speaker 3: we don't know how much time we've got, and that's

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Speaker 3: why you've got to get vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: And I think also if we can sort of remove

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Speaker 1: hopefully the less of that hesitancy we see. Is that

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Speaker 1: the reason, you know, really why you want this to happen.

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Speaker 3: What one of the big reasons. First though, I need

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Speaker 3: to give some big thanks to the people of the territory.

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Speaker 3: So it's easy to get caught up in essentially the

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Speaker 3: national conversation right hasn't seen and we have pockets of

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Speaker 3: it here in the territory. But we're currently seven seven

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Speaker 3: we're number one the country for totally vaccinated. So we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, I think we do still have.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's still a lot of people that have

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Speaker 1: Now speaking of some of these concerns, we know that

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Speaker 1: upon Acting Professor Diane Stevens, who is the director of

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Speaker 1: to stop using the PCR SALIVI test daily to all

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Speaker 2: Are you going to look at changing these tests?

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Speaker 3: I always respect the unions, and unions definitely have a place,

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Speaker 3: so I thank the Union for speaking up in this instance.

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Speaker 3: But I will take our advice from the clinical experts,

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Speaker 3: and that's not just the local territory clinical experts, so.

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Speaker 4: It's not just doctor painting.

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Speaker 3: People know Dodtor Die Stevens or Professor Nataras, etc. Who

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Speaker 3: are taking our avice from and they're very very good people.

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Speaker 3: By the way, you could argue they're world experts. Now

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Speaker 3: we also take our advice on this issue from Paul Kelly,

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Speaker 3: from the national bodies that look at this. So what

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Speaker 3: I find surprising, by the way, what the Union's saying

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Speaker 3: All the advice that we're getting clinically from local territory

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Speaker 3: the national experts who make these decisions is that PCR

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Speaker 3: is absolutely the gold standard. That the one advantage rapid

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Speaker 3: is that the PCR test daily is the absolute best

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Speaker 2: Who made this decision, who signed off on it, So there's.

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Speaker 3: A clinical panel that is out at House Springs. There's

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Speaker 3: we need to make the absolute best decisions.

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Speaker 4: So all decisions we should.

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Speaker 3: Be making are only ever to improve the gold standard

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Speaker 3: We don't need to save any money or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: So all the decisions have been one hundred tent been

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I get that that's where those decisions are

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Speaker 2: According to Cath Hatcher.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just I guess if you've got these

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Speaker 2: How are you going to do that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the best place to do that is

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Speaker 3: again the science behind the clinical decision making. So for me,

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Speaker 3: it's there has never been a hesitancy at any stage

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Speaker 3: it's one of those ones that will keep working away

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Speaker 1: Me you mad, So are you saying that you are

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Speaker 3: We're not getting the same feedback up through the ordinary

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Speaker 4: That's a perfectly reasonable way to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, okay, so Cathacher is saying that as the

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Speaker 4: So I'm much rather an accurate test. So this is

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Speaker 3: You're much rather an accurate test than inaccurate test, and

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Speaker 3: the rapid eergen testing. All the advice that we're getting

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Speaker 1: So that's why you've gone down this path. Do you

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Speaker 3: Yes, So that PCR test is considered significantly more accurate

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that advice was rejected by doctor Paine and

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Speaker 1: And so the decision was made ultimately and signed off

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Speaker 3: Yes, so that all those kinds of decisions signed off

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Speaker 3: So I like playing the Devil's advocate role in asking

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Speaker 3: making sure they're thought of everything. But you've got to

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Speaker 3: respect professionals and what they're doing. Have done that all

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Speaker 4: Would be extremely rare. I think that through them the

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Speaker 3: But my opinion as a government is you always have

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Speaker 2: Is now the time to bring bladon Point online.

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Speaker 3: Be so that conversation has been held by the Treaty

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Speaker 1: My understanding is that the administrator can suspend him. She's

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Speaker 3: actually ignore the law put together.

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Speaker 1: So if you are you guys going to do the same,

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Speaker 1: Are you preparing emotion to have him removed if there

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Speaker 1: isn't a decision.

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Speaker 4: Made or we've made it clear that we will active.

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Speaker 2: Needed, So are you preparing emotion?

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Speaker 3: Well that that takes about forty five seconds, So we're

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Speaker 3: just let's just be clear. He's currently on sick leave.

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Speaker 3: He'll make a decision midweek about what he intends to do.

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Speaker 3: Based off whatever he does, then we'll then make it

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Speaker 3: clear what we're going to do next, whether it's emotion

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Speaker 3: in parliament or the pathway through the administrator or other

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Speaker 3: options that may may or may not exist. So that's

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Speaker 3: where we're at, where we will do the things that

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Speaker 3: we need to do to make sure that treaty process

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Speaker 3: doesn't fall over.

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Speaker 1: So Wednesday is when we'll expect to know exactly what's

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: I'll make sure you get that in fashion today, Kati

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Speaker 3: about whether it's Wednesday or Thursday, but my saying midweek.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we are going to have to leave it their

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister Michael Gunnett, thank you very much for your

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Speaker 1: time this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thank you