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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Sam Melbourne, as we know, has moved into stage four

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Speaker 2: lockdown over the weekend. Everyone's very jittery in New South

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Speaker 2: Wales at the moment. We have strongly been advised to

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Speaker 2: wear masks if we're going out or we're in crowded

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Speaker 2: places or places where we can't socially distance. Is any

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Speaker 2: old mask good enough? There are still people who say

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Speaker 2: they don't want to wear them. How close are we

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Speaker 2: too going to lockdown ourselves? Well, we thought we'd talked

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Speaker 2: to infectious disease specialists from the ANU, doctor Sinjaasen and Yaki.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks Amanda, good to be back.

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Speaker 3: It's good to have you back.

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Speaker 4: How much has this changed since we last spoke as

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Speaker 4: far as what you've learned?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think we've all watched what's happened

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Speaker 1: in Victoria, particularly in Melbourne, and yes, I guess to

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Speaker 1: see those new restrictions brought in was very sobering.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, so masks, let's talk about them. How effective if

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Speaker 2: we all wore masks, will will we be able to

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Speaker 2: put out these spotfires?

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Speaker 1: Look, masks, they aren't the be all and end all Amanda.

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Speaker 1: It's just part of the bundle that we use to

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Speaker 1: try and get the spyrus under control. So wearing masks

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you stop a physically distancing, that you

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Speaker 1: don't mix with people when you're sick, and that you

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Speaker 1: don't gather in large groups if you don't have to.

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Speaker 1: So masks just are another tool that we use. But

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Speaker 1: there's data suggesting there can reduce transmission by about seventy percent,

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Speaker 1: so they are useful.

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Speaker 3: I've learned from this.

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Speaker 4: It just comes down to personal responsibility, and I don't

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Speaker 4: understand why people don't seem to follow this. There was

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Speaker 4: a picture of people at Bondo Beach over the weekend

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Speaker 4: and they're all hanging out in groups. I was thinking,

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Speaker 4: if I was walking around that area, I wouldn't congregate

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Speaker 4: with a bunch of people. If you see a bunch

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Speaker 4: of people there, why would you go out and stand

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Speaker 4: with them?

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Speaker 1: I know exactly, and I certainly. During swine flu, some

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Speaker 1: studies were done about people following advice, and they found

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Speaker 1: that people who were older and actually more women more

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Speaker 1: than men, and people who were socioeconomically better off were

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Speaker 1: the ones who tended to follow instruction more than the

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Speaker 1: other groups.

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Speaker 2: It's hard, isn't it. I know we're all trying to

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Speaker 2: avoid going back into stage three litt alone stage four

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Speaker 2: where Melbourne is right now, is it inevitable that this

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Speaker 2: will get worse?

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Speaker 1: Look in Sydney, not necessarily so. I think the numbers

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Speaker 1: in Sydney have been good in terms of the ability.

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Speaker 1: If the numbers are low, that makes it easier for

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Speaker 1: the public health authorities to do contact tracing because if

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Speaker 1: you think each case is about maybe five to ten contacts,

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Speaker 1: then you're able to get on top of them. Then

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Speaker 1: the issues though, there are clusters in Sydney, and there

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Speaker 1: are some cases where there's an unknown source and they're

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Speaker 1: the ones we worry about because if we don't know

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Speaker 1: who they are, they could be infecting other people.

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Speaker 2: There are those who say, with what is happening in Melbourne,

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Speaker 2: this would have wrecked the economy and this is the

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Speaker 2: wrong way to go. But do you believe that we

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Speaker 2: can't have economic recovery without health recovery. Those two aren't

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Speaker 2: two different things.

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Speaker 1: Look, I agree with you. I think we have to

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Speaker 1: somehow or other get this virus under control. Unfortunately, in

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Speaker 1: the absence of a medicine or a pill that you

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Speaker 1: and I can take to stop us getting the virus

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Speaker 1: or a vaccine. This is the only way way to

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Speaker 1: do it well.

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Speaker 2: Jonesie said he's been wearing like a bandana as a mask.

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Speaker 1: Is that enough? Look, a bandana will have some effect,

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't fit as snugly as you would like,

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Speaker 1: so it's not ideal. And certainly if you go to

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Speaker 1: the World Health Organization website for DHS website in Victoria,

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Speaker 1: derhealth dot gov dot AU website, they talk about the

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Speaker 1: types of mask you can use, even tell you how

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Speaker 1: to make a mask.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you should start get out the fath Amanda and

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Speaker 4: start whipping us up some masks.

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Speaker 2: You saw my sewing skills. I've shown you things I

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Speaker 2: made it. I don't think it's going to work.

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Speaker 3: I think it'd be good.

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Speaker 2: Well, doctor Sanjai, thank you so much. I mean, I think,

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Speaker 2: as you say, New South Wales, we're poised on the cusp.

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Speaker 2: We can do the right thing and we can come

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Speaker 2: back from the abyss.

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Speaker 3: But we've all got to do look at this personal responsibility.

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Speaker 4: You see a giant crowd of people, obviously, don't go

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Speaker 4: where the crowd is.

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Speaker 3: You're in a shopping center and it's full of people.

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Speaker 3: Don't go in.

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Speaker 2: There if you're not well, don't go with the individual.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Sanie, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Oh anytime. I really enjoyed being on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, we appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Joined the and Amanda in the morning one point seven

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Speaker 1: Tell You