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Speaker 2: Well, it is going to be a busy morning. It

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Speaker 2: was budget week. And joining me live in the studio

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Speaker 2: this morning, we have got the treasurer for the COLP,

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Speaker 2: Bill Yan, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and good morning you wrote in the

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Speaker 3: top end.

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Speaker 2: And the opposition leader for the Labor Party Selena Rubo,

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Speaker 2: good morning.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Katie. Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: And from the Northern Territory News, the head of news,

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Speaker 2: Gary Shipway, Good morning, Gary.

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Speaker 5: Good morning. And how cog was it this morning?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: God, wasn't it was beautiful? It is like you just

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Speaker 2: say to yourself when the weather goes like this, oh jeez,

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Speaker 2: I love Darwin or geez I love the top end.

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Speaker 2: Then it gets to one hundred percent humidity and you

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Speaker 2: start to question your life. Joyces, but no, absolutely beautiful

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Speaker 2: this morning. Now, I do want to just head across,

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Speaker 2: firstly to an incident that's occurred in Alice Springs. A

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Speaker 2: twenty seven year old man in a critical condition after

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Speaker 2: a serious assault in Alice Springs yesterday afternoon, just after

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Speaker 2: I understand it, an arresta has now been made. I mean, Bill,

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Speaker 2: It's not the only reports we've had this week of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, this is a really horrendous incident, Caden, and

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Speaker 3: in a critical condition. But the upside is now police

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Speaker 2: In the middle of the main streets.

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Speaker 3: In the middle of the in the middle of the day,

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Speaker 3: But these are the issues that we're dealing with that

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Speaker 3: have been left behind for us. So we've done that

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Speaker 3: huge investment, of course into the justice system at one

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Speaker 3: point five be in and we've got to start now

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Speaker 3: to see that start to take effect.

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Speaker 2: I guess what everyone's probably wondering though, or the discussion

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Speaker 2: that might start to happen, is last time we saw

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Speaker 3: Large group attacking the pub, and as a.

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Speaker 2: Result, then we saw the former labor government, you know,

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Speaker 2: that was being experienced. I mean, are we back there again.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think it's quite to that level, Kadie.

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Speaker 3: This was a group fighting. It's community group, a couple

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Speaker 3: that all too often taking place on our streets. I said,

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Speaker 3: But this stuff can't continue, and our leaders in our communities,

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Speaker 2: And I will always say with stats, it's a dicey

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Katie, as you know, I agree with Bill. It's

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Speaker 6: But you know, people are wanting to know when when's

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Speaker 4: How are we going to make sure our police are

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Speaker 6: We're going to make sure that there are those really

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Speaker 4: That's what people want to see, Katie.

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Speaker 6: They want to see prevention, They want to see action,

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Speaker 6: and we need to know what that is, you know,

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Speaker 5: Solly, you live in a remote area. I'm just wondering,

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Speaker 4: It, so yeah, Gary, and thank you.

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Speaker 6: I do have different ideas and lots of these conversations,

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Speaker 6: But the big concern, of course, is when there's antisocial

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Speaker 2: There need to be some restrictions brought back into place.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like I don't I don't know, and I

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Speaker 2: But it's blowing up at the moment in something.

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Speaker 3: We've got the toughest restrictions in the country. So we've

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Katie, and I mean that's always the acute and

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Speaker 4: And we all know alcohol is a legal commodity.

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Speaker 6: It's about how do we make sure that across the

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Speaker 6: And I haven't heard the Colp government since coming in

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Speaker 4: I've been out to have anything in the budget on it.

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Speaker 3: Let me finish. So I've been talking to my communities

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Speaker 3: Boy if it's done right, so you have a social

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Speaker 5: And Bill talked about the people being prepared to pay

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Speaker 5: and it's always been that problem. People will pay whatever

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Speaker 5: a big sport of that, you know. So that's that's

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Speaker 5: the sort of thing I think you should be trying

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Okay, Look, they are pretty astronomical numbers

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing. We're in a situation right

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing, Katie, and that comes down to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, O, Katie, I think that when you see those.

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Speaker 6: Blowouts of those big projects, that's because obviously the costs

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Speaker 4: No government does that. The seal pickment it with spring.

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Speaker 6: I mean when I opened my little budget packed, a

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Speaker 6: The zlp's first budget, we haven't seen any economic leadership.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how with all the cuts that the

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Speaker 6: I equate that for the everyday listener, Katie, that would

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Speaker 6: It doesn't make sense to have that amount of cuts

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Speaker 6: But any jurisdiction across the country. That's how a long

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Speaker 2: The project you do not.

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Speaker 6: That the mental health unit is during its twelve month

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Speaker 3: Because I asked about the mental Health Unit and instruments

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Speaker 4: Have this mental health twelve months.

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Speaker 3: This is your last budget knowing it was going to

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Speaker 5: stuff about it during the week about how wonderful their

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Speaker 5: facility is we need to have a similar sort of

439
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Speaker 5: facility to match that to grab our fair shirt.

440
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Speaker 2: Yes, spot On. Can I just say though there was

441
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Speaker 2: an there was a bit of looking into theirs at

442
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Speaker 2: the end of last year, eight hundred million dollars is

443
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Speaker 2: what it's blown out to. So my question is what

444
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Speaker 2: is our shiplift going to blow out to if we

445
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Speaker 2: need to actually compete with a place like cans And

446
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Speaker 2: you spot On, Gary, like, we actually need that work.

447
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Speaker 2: You do, but you do need these projects are going

448
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 2: to help to get our economy moving. But you just

449
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Speaker 2: wonder at what costs.

450
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Speaker 5: I look at the classic cases, the facilities that are

451
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Speaker 5: going up that haven't got they're not full and proper facilities.

452
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Speaker 5: We talked about the police station at Nightcliffe, but you

453
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Speaker 5: know there's an art center going up but in State Square.

454
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Speaker 5: Now my understanding that art facility doesn't have any storage

455
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Speaker 5: capacity in it. It's an facility with no storage capacity

456
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Speaker 5: for the art, so you know, and there's no storage

457
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Speaker 5: capacity or any capacity to even have function and use

458
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Speaker 5: that anything else but walls gallery have exhibitions on it,

459
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Speaker 5: and then then they've got to come in and take

460
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Speaker 5: those pieces of art out. Now that's what I've been

461
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 5: told about that facilit so really we've got a concrete

462
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Speaker 5: block air condition and it's it's not a fully function

463
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Speaker 5: and facility. You're going to do it.

464
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Speaker 2: You've got to do it.

465
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the sort of thing that you know, just thinking.

466
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Speaker 2: Well, look we are going to have to take a

467
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Speaker 2: bit of a break. It is already twenty seven minutes

468
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Speaker 2: south to nine o'clock when we come back, keen to

469
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Speaker 2: talk about the materi services, the private maternity services at

470
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Speaker 2: the hospital, and plenty more right here on Mix Mixed.

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Speaker 1: One or four point nine three point sixty. The week

472
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Speaker 1: that was the most listened to our in Territory.

473
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Speaker 2: Radio, Well you are listening to the week that was

474
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Speaker 2: if you've just joined us this morning. We've got Gary Shipway,

475
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Speaker 2: the head of news at the Northern Territory News. We've

476
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Speaker 2: got the opposition leader, Selina Yubo, and also got Billy

477
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Speaker 2: and the Treasurer. Now, I tell you was an issue

478
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 2: that does not seem to be disappearing in a hurry

479
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Speaker 2: is the concerns that are being raised by women who

480
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Speaker 2: are pregnant or due to give birth and have that

481
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Speaker 2: private health coverage. But as we know, the private maternity

482
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Speaker 2: services at the hospital at the Darwin Private Hospital, Well

483
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Speaker 2: they are going to going to be ending and the

484
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Speaker 2: Northern Territory Health Ministry yesterday announcing this luxury post natal

485
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Speaker 2: maternity retreat from the first of June. So privately and

486
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Speaker 2: short expectant parents are going to be able to stay

487
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Speaker 2: at that hotel in a deluxe key for up to

488
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Speaker 2: four nights after giving birth in Royal Darwin Hospital. Now,

489
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Speaker 2: you know, obviously the Health Minister's saying that this is

490
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Speaker 2: a good thing for those for those mums, but we're

491
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Speaker 2: sort of hearing that, you know, they are not happy. Still,

492
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Speaker 2: they're still messaging in, they are still ringing us saying

493
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Speaker 2: that they really do not feel as though this is

494
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Speaker 2: the best option, not because that's not a beautiful hotel

495
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Speaker 2: to go and stay at, but because after they have

496
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Speaker 2: their bubs, they're worried what if something goes wrong. We

497
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Speaker 2: want to be able to have twenty four to seven

498
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: access to health professionals to be able to help and

499
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Speaker 2: I know as well as I understand it. One of

500
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Speaker 2: the private obstetricians actually spoke to ABC's Lives Stravascaz yesterday

501
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Speaker 2: afternoon and said that that proposal well they were really

502
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Speaker 2: not supportive of it. They have some questions around insurance

503
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Speaker 2: and you know, and are concerned about those mums. Now,

504
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Speaker 2: I do want to say right from the get go,

505
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Speaker 2: I understand that this is not the fault of the

506
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Speaker 2: Northern Territory government, whether it's like or the COLP, whoever

507
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Speaker 2: it is. It is the fact here that we've got

508
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Speaker 2: a private insurer that's effectively no longer going to operate

509
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Speaker 2: that part of the Darwin Private Hospital. But I do

510
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Speaker 2: think that there is a real duty of care obviously

511
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Speaker 2: to those mums to make sure that they you know,

512
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Speaker 2: that they are able to get to get that service.

513
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Speaker 2: I know some people listening will be going, well, do

514
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Speaker 2: you know what you get fantastic service at the Royal

515
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Speaker 2: Dahwin Hospital, And you absolutely will, but these women are

516
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Speaker 2: probably paid seven eight thousand dollars for those private services

517
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Speaker 2: and now don't know what it's going to.

518
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Speaker 5: Look like, Kaddie it look you know, father and one

519
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Speaker 5: of my children was born at the private hospital and

520
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Speaker 5: you know I slept there on the couch overnight just

521
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Speaker 5: to be there. But it was the feeling of security,

522
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Speaker 5: knowing that you had someone outside your door if something

523
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Speaker 5: happened yes, you know, just you don't know what it's

524
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Speaker 5: going to be, but just that feeling of security that

525
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Speaker 5: you're that you know you've got someone there in a

526
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Speaker 5: case of need. Now, I don't think you know as

527
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Speaker 5: much as well intent it may be, but I think

528
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Speaker 5: that the hotel is a proper solution. I just can't

529
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Speaker 5: see that being accepted by you know, the mums, the husbands.

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Speaker 5: You know, I agree with you. You know that's so

531
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Speaker 5: that you know, you know, government has really got to

532
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Speaker 5: do something to you find another health provider because this

533
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Speaker 5: is not going to it's not going to work. It's

534
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Speaker 5: a band aid fix.

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Speaker 2: And it feels like it's sort of you know, like

536
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Speaker 2: a misunderstanding of what those mums actually want, like a

537
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Speaker 2: thinking that they want a luxury retreat when it's like,

538
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 2: actually it's a total opposite. What you want is to

539
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Speaker 2: know that if your bub stops breathing or if something

540
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Speaker 2: goes on, because especially when you're a first time parent,

541
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Speaker 2: you are pretty worried every time they move around a little.

542
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Speaker 5: Bit uncertainty that's right, certainly.

543
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Speaker 2: And knowing that there's somebody there that you can say, hey,

544
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Speaker 2: is this normal? Is what they're doing right now?

545
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Speaker 6: Normal?

546
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Speaker 2: Does this. You know, the way they've done their first pool,

547
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Speaker 2: is that normal, How they're latching on to my breast,

548
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: all those kinds of crying, that's exactly right. And obviously

549
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Speaker 2: understanding that they're going to get phenomenal care at Royal

550
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Speaker 2: Darwen Hospital. I have both my babies there. I get

551
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Speaker 2: that they're going to get that phenomenal care. But paying

552
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Speaker 2: for that private health and expecting that you're at least

553
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Speaker 2: going to you know, not get a private room, that's

554
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's probably the least of you worries. What

555
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: you want to be sure of is that you've got

556
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Speaker 2: the care that you that you need and require.

557
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I spoke to the Health Ministry yesterday and

558
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Speaker 3: it's really unfortunate. I know that he's been working with

559
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Speaker 3: Healthscope on what's been taking place, and I know he

560
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Speaker 3: also has been speaking to the federal Health Minister on this,

561
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Speaker 3: and I hear where you're coming from here. Both my

562
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Speaker 3: kids were born in l Springs Hospital and the service

563
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Speaker 3: received there at the public hospitals absolutely phenomenal. And it's

564
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Speaker 3: really difficult for these for these women and families who

565
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Speaker 3: I agree, have paid that money to utilize a private

566
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Speaker 3: facility in that private facilities is then actually closing down,

567
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Speaker 3: so we've jumped in to try and provide an alternative.

568
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Speaker 3: And my understanding after talking to Steve Edgington yesterday is

569
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Speaker 3: that during the day there'll always be there'll be services

570
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Speaker 3: there at that hotel and then there's a twenty four

571
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Speaker 3: hour phone service after ours. But I hear what you're saying, Gary,

572
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Speaker 3: and I was like that, I know that my partner

573
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Speaker 3: was the same with okius, you're a first time parent.

574
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Speaker 2: You're just like you're worried.

575
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Speaker 3: Is this normal? So I know that the Health Minister

576
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Speaker 3: is working closely with of course with Health and with Healthscope,

577
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 3: who is seizing those services, to make sure that we

578
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Speaker 3: can provide the best service.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four hour service though needs to be actually firmed

580
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Speaker 2: up because we were contacted yesterday by mums saying well, no,

581
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Speaker 2: we've actually seen an email saying that that isn't going

582
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Speaker 2: to be the case. If you have an issue with

583
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 2: your barbe or with yourself, then you're going to have

584
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Speaker 2: to either call you GP or present to emergency if

585
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Speaker 2: it's not within the hours.

586
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Speaker 3: And that was something I spoke to Steve edging about

587
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Speaker 3: to and I think there's a little bit of the

588
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Speaker 3: way that the document was. I think it was a

589
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: little bit confusing for everybody. So yes, I know, and

590
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Speaker 3: I can safely say and categorically say there will be

591
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Speaker 3: services during the day at this stage, Well there will be,

592
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Speaker 3: and that there's a twenty four hour helpline available for

593
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Speaker 3: anyone you excuse me utilizing that service.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Katie, I agree with Gary. This is a band

595
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 4: aid solution. I think it's very ill thought out.

596
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Speaker 6: And when you get to the point where medical professionals,

597
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Speaker 6: those doctors and nurses are calling this out as a

598
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Speaker 6: bad plan, as an ill thought out plan, then you've

599
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Speaker 6: got to be concerned. And I think that's why this

600
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Speaker 6: remains a concerning issue for those expectant mums and their

601
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Speaker 6: families and their support networks and anyone else who's thinking

602
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Speaker 6: about having a baby or who has just found out

603
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Speaker 6: there having a baby. This is going to continue. But

604
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Speaker 6: the big question we've been asking Katie from the Labor

605
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 6: opposition is Steve Edgington as the Health Minister, Leifnoki as

606
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Speaker 6: the Chief Minister, knew about this late last year when

607
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Speaker 6: they're in government. Why was the actions and these this

608
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Speaker 6: very ill thought out plan.

609
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Speaker 4: Why was it not explored earlier. Why was it that

610
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Speaker 4: advocacy to.

611
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Speaker 6: Mark Butler, the Health Minister who's now remained the Health

612
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Speaker 6: minister federally. Why was Steve not picking up the phone

613
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Speaker 6: and humbugging Mark constantly question We found out that the

614
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 6: confirmed contact from Steve Edgington, the anti health minister, was

615
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Speaker 6: only last week. This blows my mind, Katie. That is

616
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Speaker 6: your job to advocate for the health of Territorians, particularly

617
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Speaker 6: on an issue where we do need to have that

618
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Speaker 6: federal support. This is one that he should have been

619
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Speaker 6: leading the charge.

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Speaker 2: I think she's going to need to be a bit

621
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Speaker 2: of a leadership charge here because we also know that

622
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Speaker 2: the federal government's now saying it's not going to bail

623
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Speaker 2: out struggling private hospital giant health Scope, which has seeded

624
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: control of the company to its lenders as it tries

625
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: to find a new owner, raising fears of hospital closures.

626
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Speaker 2: So this is what's happening nationally. People are very worried

627
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Speaker 2: that health Scope is going to go bus, that they're

628
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Speaker 2: going to offload their hospitals. What would that mean for

629
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Speaker 2: us here in Darwin, where we've got the one private

630
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Speaker 2: hospital and one public hospital, and to the northern territory

631
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Speaker 2: more generally, I think it will have an astronomical impact.

632
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Speaker 2: So I question with the Colp government at this point

633
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Speaker 2: in time, are there discussions already happening with the federal

634
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Speaker 2: Health Minister knowing that there's not been an announcement that

635
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: it's going to close, but you know, going, okay, what

636
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Speaker 2: contingencies do we have in place if things turn really

637
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Speaker 2: sour here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we spoke about that earlier this week Katie

639
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: in here, and that's the worrying part now. So Healthscope

640
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Speaker 3: do close is what services are they providing the territories

641
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Speaker 3: and then what services will into health then may have

642
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: to walk in and take over. I think that work

643
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: has started. I can't speak for Steve Engington on this

644
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Speaker 3: because I haven't dealt in.

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Speaker 6: You're the Treasurer, Bill you should also be on the

646
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Speaker 6: phone and calling the federal counterparts and saying we are

647
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Speaker 6: going to need some serious help in the end if

648
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Speaker 6: something like this.

649
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Speaker 3: Change has been on to the federal Health Minister about

650
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: this and about what that looks like. So of course

651
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Speaker 3: I can't walk in pre imp that Hellscope is going

652
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: to close its doors tomorrow. We were doing that. We're

653
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: doing that work and contingency on what may have to

654
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Speaker 3: happen if we have to walk in and take over

655
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Speaker 3: some of those services.

656
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Speaker 5: Yeah, look exactly what Katie said that that there's a

657
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 5: lum bells ring loud and clear, and the government really

658
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 5: needs to make sure that it's right on top of

659
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 5: this and it's acting swiftly and quickly. Otherwise it is

660
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Speaker 5: going to be a ship store.

661
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: Well, it absolutely is going to be. And I tell

662
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: you right now, you know, this is the kind of

663
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Speaker 2: stuff that people are ringing me about every day. And

664
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Speaker 2: they're ringing me they're people who are retired who are saying, Katie,

665
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: I want to stay living in the Northern Territory, but

666
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: I'm really worried if something happens with this private hospital

667
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: that it's going to limit my options. So do I

668
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: stay living in the Northern Territory? Like these are the

669
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: every day things that people really care about. So I

670
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: think it is I'm not going to tell you how

671
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: to do, but I definitely think there needs to be

672
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: those discussions. Yeah, and do some work because you know,

673
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: it is a worry and obviously we're thinking worst case

674
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: scenario here. But what's happened with the maternity ward as well, is.

675
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 5: The worst on the maternity ward. Now it went well

676
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 5: talking about a hospital, a private hospital no longer existing

677
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 5: perhaps so, and that it is livability. It is the

678
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 5: reason people. You know, you've got to have that livability

679
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 5: fact that it can do chir people from coming, particularly

680
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 5: the military. Yeah, particularly the military.

681
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Speaker 3: So you know a lot of special services that the

682
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: private hospital do the service our community. And that's the

683
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: thing instead of healthscape are going to I said, pull

684
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 3: up stumps and closed doors is then how do we

685
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: walk in and make sure that we provide those services.

686
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we'll take a really quick break. You are listening

687
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: to Mix one oh four nine is three sixty Mix.

688
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: One or four point nine three sixty the week that

689
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: was the most listened to our in Territory radio.

690
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty.

691
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: It is the week that was. There's so much to

692
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: discuss in here this morning, of course with Selena Rubo

693
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: the opposition leader. We've also got the Treasure of Bill

694
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: Yan and Gary Shipway NT news head of News. Now,

695
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: there's been a lot happening in Parliament this week. Overnight

696
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: the Northern Territory government passed the Northern Territory Aboriginal Sacred

697
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: Site Amendment Bill in Parliament. It's they say, it's aimed

698
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: to deliver a suite of reforms to improve the operation

699
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: of the Northern Territory Aboriginal Sacred Sites Act. The amendment,

700
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: the government says, ensures the Act and the regulation are

701
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: contemporary and remain effective in achieving their purpose. So it

702
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: looks as though there's a few things that change here,

703
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: the formalization of existing composition of the members of the

704
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: Aboriginal Area's Protection Authority Board, transferring and adding parties to

705
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: authority certificates and enforceable undertakings. To a few people listening

706
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: this morning, they might be going, all right, well, how

707
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: come this actually needed change?

708
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: Bell, Yeah, Look, I think there's some stuff come out

709
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: of a report quite some time ago, and some of

710
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: these requests were from ARPA themselves. They've been looking at

711
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: their act and I think they want to do some

712
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 3: more changes at some point in time as well. But

713
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: a lot of these things are about providing certainty. So

714
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: there was all this rhetoric and trying to conflate that

715
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: we're going to trash sacred sites and all these things

716
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: in partment last night. That's certainly not the case. This

717
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: is about certainty for proponents and certainty for business. So

718
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: if you've got a sacred site clearance on a piece

719
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: of land and you sell that piece of landmill, the

720
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: sacred site hasn't changed, all right, the sacred site's still there,

721
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: and understand it's still protected. But previously you couldn't transfer

722
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: that permit to a new owner. The new owner would

723
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: have to go back to ARPA and apply again, and

724
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: of course it's a duplication of process. So what it

725
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: allows to do is that the certificate, if it is sold,

726
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: can move with the property. The sacred site was always

727
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 3: protected and always will be protected. There's no changes to that.

728
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: I think some of the other changes too, were arper

729
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 3: actually requested this specifically, matters had to go to court.

730
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 3: So if there's a minor breach of the Sacred Sides Act,

731
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: minor or major, doesn't matter. The only option was to

732
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 3: go to court. They wanted the option to be able

733
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: to find people who actually breached that Act, so that

734
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: was a change that was put into Wood as well.

735
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: So rather okay, if there's been a minor breach of

736
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Speaker 3: the Sacred Sides Act, which shouldn't ever happen, but sometimes

737
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 3: it does and we've seen it. Rather than having to

738
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: go through the whole court process, they can actually issue

739
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 3: a fine to an individual and deal with that process

740
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: quite quickly. So they were fairly simple changes and good

741
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 3: regulatory changes that provide certainty for business and I think

742
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: certainty for ARPA and certainty around sacred sort Selena.

743
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: Was it something that the opposition supported, no, O Katie.

744
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 6: We didn't support this because what Bill's talking about was

745
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 6: based on a report done in twenty sixteen under the

746
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 6: former CLP government. There's been obviously a lot of changes

747
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 6: over the last nine years and the Able l Aireous

748
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 6: Protection Authority, who is an independent statutory authority here in

749
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 6: the NT, undertook a body of work in twenty twenty

750
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 6: three and twenty twenty four which they completed, which had

751
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 6: the modernized changes and amendments that they wanted to do

752
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 6: over a specific amount of time, which was consulted with

753
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 6: the Abginal Land Councils here in the Northern Territory, traditional owners,

754
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 6: landowners as well as other parts of the community across

755
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 6: the NT. Now it begs belief that the CLP would

756
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 6: go back to a nine year old report in twenty

757
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 6: sixteen to inform what they think should be modern and

758
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 6: contemporary legislation when it comes to the abgele Ares Protection

759
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 6: Authority as opposed to work that was completed just last

760
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 6: year that had incorporated all the modernizations, so there was

761
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 6: definitely changes needed to that legislation.

762
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 4: What the CLP has.

763
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 6: Done is gone to nine years prior to try and

764
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 6: inform their decisions of what should be done and taken

765
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 6: into account today. There were some changes that were in

766
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 6: there that were not even from specifically Upper So we're

767
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 6: still trying to wrap our head around that. And then

768
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 6: in terms of process, Katie, we feel like the CLP

769
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 6: has been very disingenuous with being open around scrutiny and accountability,

770
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 6: allowing community to have their say when it comes to legislation,

771
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 6: you know, laws that actually impact those you know, the

772
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 6: people in the territory that that law may be required

773
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 6: for them for whatever reason. So there was a scrutiny

774
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 6: committee process, Katie. There was a report done. The COLP

775
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 6: dominated scrutiny committee said no, we do not want to

776
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 6: have public hearings. There is no opportunity for anyone to

777
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 6: come in have their public hearing about what they would

778
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 6: like to see the amendments and those changes in the

779
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 6: Sacred Sites Act of the Northern Territory. And then it

780
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 6: went to Parliament based on this nine year old report

781
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 6: rather than the one that was completed last year, so

782
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 6: we didn't support it at all.

783
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's an interesting one. I think the point

784
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: that you'd made bill about, you know about if somebody

785
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: purchases land and there had previously been approval, but then

786
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: that doesn't sort of cross over if they sell that,

787
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 2: you know, like if they sell that land or property

788
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: that I wasn't aware that that was the case. I mean,

789
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: I think that that's interesting. Gary. It's obviously like it's

790
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: something that I guess with a lot of major projects,

791
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: are a lot of different things that happen in the

792
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: Northern Territory, you need to make sure that you've got

793
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: those approvals.

794
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think one of the biggest complaints from investors

795
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 5: is that it's always been very hard to do business

796
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 5: in the territory because things have always moved so slowly.

797
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, the government, the current government's

798
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 5: reform agenda is that's what they promised to do, and

799
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 5: they've moved there even quickly too. So that processes don't

800
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 5: get slowed down. Now if we've had you know, with

801
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 5: public inquiries and we want how long they take. And

802
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 5: so look, I look at the end of the day, okay,

803
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 5: changes have been made and it won't be the end

804
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 5: of comment on those changes. So if there are flaws,

805
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 5: I'm sure they're going to come to the fore. I

806
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 5: just think you know, when you come into and you

807
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 5: want to reinvigorate this place as a place to do

808
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 5: business and give business investors a certainty and you don't

809
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 5: get duplication. I think those things that you know are

810
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 5: there with good intent. I don't think there's anything mischief

811
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 5: mischievous gone on here except trying to speed the processes

812
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 5: up and deliver on there what was an election promise.

813
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 5: So but and going forward, and I'm sure Slenna, if

814
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 5: you see flaws you'll continue to lobby for changes going

815
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 5: forward as well.

816
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 6: Indigenous there was such a Central Land Council put out

817
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 6: a very public letter to Josh.

818
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 4: Burgoy and the responsible Minister yesterday.

819
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 6: It was very very pointed towards him and you know,

820
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 6: being a man of his word and integrity, and they

821
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 6: felt very disappointed that Minister Burgoyne did not go back

822
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 6: to them to say, look, we listened to we've read

823
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 6: your submission and this is the way we're going to

824
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 6: do our changes. Obviously government's got the numbers, that's what

825
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 6: they're going to do. But there was no kind of

826
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 6: circle back or loop back in that sense when we're

827
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: talking about this. Only four or abagual Land Councilors of

828
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 6: the Northern Territory. It's not a lot of people to

829
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 6: have to contact when you're talking about what the final

830
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 6: decision of is the government. So it was very disappointing

831
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 6: for them and I think we'll hear more of that

832
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 6: this week.

833
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 4: Now.

834
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: Those changes, yeah, well that's right now, still on legislation,

835
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 2: and Gary, I take on board that point that you made.

836
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: When you want something to happen, you know, you just

837
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: make it happen rather than going to a committee. But

838
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: it seems like maybe something the cop doesn't want to

839
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 2: happen is the changes around voluntary assisted dying or maybe

840
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 2: wanting to slow things down. I know the Attorney General

841
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: has ordered now an inquiry into the final report on

842
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: voluntary assisted dying in the Northern Territory. That report came

843
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: after the Member for Johnson, Justine Davis was set to

844
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: move a motion calling for the Government to implement the

845
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: twenty two recommendations of the Voluntary Assisted Dying Expert Advisory Panel. Now,

846
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: I do think it's a good thing that obviously the

847
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: government is committing to looking further into this, but it

848
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: just feels like we've been looking further into this for

849
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: the past thirty years.

850
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 5: Look, this is really it is a very contentious issue,

851
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 5: very difficult issue. I was part of the Seal Big

852
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 5: Government working for Shane Stone when this will come up

853
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 5: right in the very beginning, and Marshall Parrin wanted it Shane,

854
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 5: didn't you know. And the division that that was created

855
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 5: within all parties, even the Labor Party. There were people

856
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 5: were being secreted into offices, have pizza and keep them

857
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 5: out of the chamber. It was it was a very

858
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 5: clean Stye operation and yeah, it just reflected what a

859
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 5: sensitive issue it is and it's very, very difficult. So

860
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 5: I can understand the government wanted to kick it down

861
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 5: the road. Look, but you know it's got to be resolved.

862
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 2: Well, it has to and the whole like I just

863
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: keep going back to the first word, voluntary. It is voluntary, Selena.

864
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 5: You know an Indigenous community. How much uncertainty does this create,

865
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 5: because this was one of the issues at the time

866
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 5: back in the when this first come up about it

867
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 5: created uncertainly among most Indigenous people, whether you know the

868
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 5: you know they're going to kill us, that sort of stuff.

869
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 5: You know they're just going to turn on machines, some

870
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 5: even with ill informed you know, the vote communder but

871
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 5: you know, how much uncertainty does that create out there?

872
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Speaker 5: It just seems to it was such a strong talking

873
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Speaker 5: point during that period of time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Gary, there has been a lot of those concerns raised,

875
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Speaker 6: But there's also the concern that if we're going to

876
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Speaker 6: be using government resources or parliament resources, probably a better

877
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Speaker 6: use of resources would be the government drafts a bill,

878
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Speaker 6: then they go out and consult on that bill. So

879
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Speaker 6: what has been proposed by Maray Claire Boothby as the

880
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Speaker 6: Attorney General obviously just a knee jerk reaction on Wednesday

881
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Speaker 6: to try and get ahead of Justine Davis's motion that

882
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Speaker 6: came up first on Wednesday afternoon. In general business for

883
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Speaker 6: the Parliament is that we've done an inquiry that happened already,

884
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Speaker 6: that happened to the last term seventy three percent of

885
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Speaker 6: Territorians who engaged said that yes they support voluntary assist

886
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Speaker 6: to dye. And go back to your point, Katie, that

887
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Speaker 6: first word voluntary. I think a large amount of work

888
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Speaker 6: what you're talking about, Gary around consultation about you know

889
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Speaker 6: what other jurisdictions have done. I think mostly system would

890
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Speaker 6: be very well aware Katie that the Northern Territory, having

891
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Speaker 6: been the first jurisdiction in the world to bring in

892
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Speaker 6: laws around voluntary assist dying, is now the last in

893
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Speaker 6: Australia because of the rights of our territories that were

894
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Speaker 6: taken away for the NT and Act that's now be

895
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Speaker 6: reinstalled a couple of years ago, and thanks to the

896
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Speaker 6: work of Luke Gosling, our Federal Member for Solomon in

897
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Speaker 6: leading that with his Act counterpart. But what the work

898
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Speaker 6: should be done a better resource. This is not around

899
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Speaker 6: a moral choice of oh I believe you should do

900
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Speaker 6: this or so and so should do that.

901
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 4: It's about the choice, Katie.

902
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Speaker 6: I truly believe that if the Northern Territory is behind

903
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 6: means that NT residents NT Northern Territorians are the only

904
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Speaker 6: Australians in the country now without that right to choice.

905
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Speaker 6: And I think that has to be the conversation. So

906
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Speaker 6: I truly believe that the best use of government resources

907
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Speaker 6: or parliament resources, because this is about a parliament committee

908
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Speaker 6: that's been proposed by Mary Clair Boothby, is to do

909
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Speaker 6: that work with government, consult on an.

910
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Speaker 4: Actual bill, do it properly, whether it's.

911
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Speaker 6: Urban, regional, remote, very remote, make sure that our multicultural groups,

912
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Speaker 6: our first nations languages are all interpreted. It's done with

913
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Speaker 6: care and sensitivity. But because we know it can bring

914
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Speaker 6: up a lot of emotion and it can be quite complex,

915
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Speaker 6: but it needs to be done in the right way.

916
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Speaker 6: But it needs to be done on a bill and

917
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Speaker 6: not waste people's time who've already been through that process

918
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Speaker 6: just a year ago. Yeah.

919
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Speaker 3: Look, I'm really supportive of this new process and I

920
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: really acknowledge the work that was done previously.

921
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Speaker 2: Why I do it again?

922
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Speaker 4: If we just did there's a couple.

923
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Speaker 3: Of there's a couple of things that didn't happen, And

924
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Speaker 3: this is what I want to touch on, is it

925
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Speaker 3: they went out and consulted with a lot of people,

926
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Speaker 3: but they hit the major centers. Now I represent it

927
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Speaker 3: and so do Usulin you represent a Bush electorate. They

928
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Speaker 3: didn't get out and this is what I want to say.

929
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Speaker 3: I wanted to see them get out and talk to

930
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Speaker 3: people in the bush because Gary, you're absolutely correct. When

931
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Speaker 3: you go out in the bush and and I talk

932
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Speaker 3: to the people I represent it in the bush about this,

933
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Speaker 3: they are absolutely petrified about voluntary assisted dying. And it's

934
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Speaker 3: about having those for those have those conversations and explain

935
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Speaker 3: what's about. Because you're exactly right, and what you say

936
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Speaker 3: is it people think when I go to hospital are

937
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Speaker 3: going to kill me, You're not going to come back exactly.

938
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Speaker 2: That's that's what well there needs to be. There needs

939
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Speaker 2: to be.

940
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Speaker 3: That's why I like this process because Okay, yes it

941
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Speaker 3: pushes it down the road a little bit, and I

942
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 3: understand that, but to be able to have those conversations

943
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Speaker 3: with people just outside the main centers because we don't

944
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Speaker 3: get out enough and talk I get out and talk

945
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Speaker 3: to my people, but does government get out and talk

946
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: to them enough. So that's what I want to see.

947
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Speaker 3: So this community can bring all that information together if

948
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Speaker 3: the consensus is there, which is quite possibly it will be,

949
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Speaker 3: and then we can start down in the road of

950
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Speaker 3: drafting that legislation and bringing back we are.

951
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Speaker 2: Going to have to take a very quick break. We're

952
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Speaker 2: running a little bit late to the National News. Update.

953
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Speaker 2: You're listening to Mix one O four point nines three sixty.

954
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Speaker 2: It is the week that was Mixed one or.

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Speaker 1: Four point nine three sixty, the week that was the

956
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Speaker 1: most listened to our in Territory radio.

957
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Speaker 2: Well, you have been listening to the week that was.

958
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: We're running a little bit late for the National News

959
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: because there's been so much to talk about this morning.

960
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Speaker 2: But if you have just joined us, well you've missed

961
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Speaker 2: an hour of power. Bill Yeh, the Treasurer in the studio,

962
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Speaker 2: along with the Opposition leader Selena Ubo, and of course

963
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Speaker 2: the head of news that the Northern Territory News, Gary Shipway. Gary,

964
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you've frightened everyone this morning. New

965
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Speaker 2: South Wales authorities wanting to take away the Northern territories freedom.

966
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Speaker 5: You've got some pinhead regularly in New South Wales who's decided, oh,

967
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Speaker 5: you know, we can't. It's illegal down here, so we're

968
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Speaker 5: not going to let the territory have their fireworks. And

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Speaker 5: now when I wrote that yesterday it was about forty

970
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Speaker 5: six tons, but I found out today it's one hundred

971
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Speaker 5: ton of fireworks. Now that's not on the road within

972
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Speaker 5: a week. It's the communities are the ones that are

973
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Speaker 5: going to miss out because they've got to get on

974
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Speaker 5: a barge get it out to the communities. So here,

975
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Speaker 5: you know you've got a bit of leeway.

976
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Speaker 3: But you know we've got we've got a Territory Day firework,

977
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Speaker 3: so that the stuff for Territory Day for us. You're

978
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Speaker 3: sitting here ready to go, but it's all like.

979
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Speaker 5: Exactly we want to we want the Chief Minister be

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Speaker 5: our brave heart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well well I don't.

982
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Speaker 4: I don't have to achieve it, get up and bring

983
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Speaker 4: it back for us.

984
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Speaker 3: Well that's the thing is New South Wales wanting to

985
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Speaker 3: let it off their bloody port. But I know the

986
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Speaker 3: Chief's been on to the Premier in New South Wales.

987
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Speaker 3: It's a pretty hot topic at the moment and I

988
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Speaker 3: think the Premier New South Wales come under a little

989
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Speaker 3: bit of pressure this morning after your front page. Gary.

990
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Speaker 3: So we're working.

991
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Speaker 5: Pretty hard on thirty years it's been coming in like

992
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 5: this and then suddenly you got it must be someone

993
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 5: new there.

994
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: Doesn't take them up, not territories. If we're not allowed

995
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Speaker 3: to have fun the territory.

996
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Speaker 4: All visitors from your south anyway. Exactly.

997
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: We're working pretty hard and making all this happen. And

998
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Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of a lot of discussions

999
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Speaker 3: between the Chief and the Premier in New South Wales,

1000
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Speaker 3: so pressures on otherwise we might have to ban New

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Speaker 3: South Wales figures.

1002
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Speaker 5: Products.

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Speaker 3: I think we've invited the Premier from New South Wales

1004
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Speaker 3: up for cracking.

1005
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Speaker 2: Letting go on, Chris means, I reckon, I'd like it.

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Speaker 2: Bill Yeah, Treasurer of the Northern Territory. Good to have

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Speaker 2: you on the show this morning. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Kay and don't forget it's National Road Safety Week,

1009
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Speaker 3: so take care and the roads everybody.

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Speaker 2: Selina you Bo, the opposition leader, good to have you

1011
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Speaker 2: on the show this morning.

1012
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 4: Thank you. Katie in a big shout out to everyone

1013
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Speaker 4: in kate Town this morning.

1014
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Speaker 2: Thank you. And Gary Shipway, the head of news at

1015
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Speaker 2: the NT News, good to have you on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all so much. You are listening to Mix

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Speaker 2: one O four nine's three sixty