Speaker 1: Hey guys, and I'll welcome back to another episode of
Speaker 1: Life Uncut. I'm Brittany and I'm here today with a
Speaker 1: super famous Dancing with the Stars contestant, Laura Bird.
Speaker 2: Hi everybody, Hi, I am a dancer.
Speaker 1: Now that's what I do. I dance and night's all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: I dance from the minute I wake up in the morning,
Speaker 2: I danced until the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: I dance around the office. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: making time. Thank you to coming to the podcast today.
Speaker 1: You are so look.
Speaker 2: I mean, I did have to stop my very busy
Speaker 2: dancing schedule to be here.
Speaker 1: Well, the announcement's out, so this is obviously a Tuesday.
Speaker 1: This is dropping. But last Thursday it came to light
Speaker 1: that you have not been doing Ninja Warrior, but you
Speaker 1: having fact been training very hard for Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 2: To be fair, there was a part of me that
Speaker 2: was a little bit like, oh, Ninja Warrior would be fun.
Speaker 1: Nah, you wouldn't last a day. No, I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: last the first hurdle.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even make it over the first jump over
Speaker 2: the phone pitch.
Speaker 1: Have you seen that videos of like seven, three or
Speaker 1: four or five year old kids that are running and
Speaker 1: doing hurdles, and the video is like, watch this seven
Speaker 1: times and look at a different kid every time. And
Speaker 1: have you seen it? They start running in they're all
Speaker 1: tripping over. That's you.
Speaker 2: That's what you would be like. No, but now we
Speaker 2: need to find that and put it ourselves.
Speaker 1: I'll find it. Everyone's gonna be like what I will find.
Speaker 1: It is so funny, and I promise you will watch
Speaker 1: this video and repeat a hundred times. Well that's just me.
Speaker 2: But at dancing that was my saying. Oh, I thought
Speaker 2: we thought we were saying it Ninja Warrior. No, if
Speaker 2: you did Ninja Warrior.
Speaker 1: That would have been you. But I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: be really good at dancing with the stuff. No you
Speaker 1: die Sean and video snips. You are sexy, little premanded.
Speaker 1: I have gotten pretty fit. That's the one thing that
Speaker 1: I've gotten out of this.
Speaker 2: So we I don't even know what to start so
Speaker 2: much dance from the beginning.
Speaker 1: How could I even put into words what I've been doing.
Speaker 2: Everyone you all know that I've been bred crumbing, that
Speaker 2: I've been training for something like the last five weeks.
Speaker 1: I kind of signed up.
Speaker 2: I think it was five, Yeah, It must have been
Speaker 2: five weeks ago, just before we went away to rock Hampton.
Speaker 2: I was dancing in the garage in rock Hampton because
Speaker 2: I just learnt the first few steps of the jive.
Speaker 2: So doing like an absolute dog's breakfast of it.
Speaker 1: Well, at least you've got Matt at home to train with,
Speaker 1: because if people might not remember them two years ago,
Speaker 1: three years ago, Matt did Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, he's not training with me unfortunately. No,
Speaker 2: he's like the dancing widow. Now he's got the kids
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven. So you know, when Matt did
Speaker 2: it two years ago and Lola was a newborn, if
Speaker 2: I was home with the kids and he was leaving
Speaker 2: for like eight hour training days. This is payback because
Speaker 2: he at the moment has been having to do the
Speaker 2: lion's share of the parenting whilst I'm off being twinkletoes.
Speaker 1: Whilst you're off getting down and jiggy with it. Oh
Speaker 1: oh no, that's wrong, You're not getting down getting jiggy.
Speaker 2: And also like we have to be so careful because
Speaker 2: everyone's gonna be like, oh, what's happening with Laura's dance partner,
Speaker 2: what's going on there?
Speaker 1: It is always a bit of a vibe, not with you,
Speaker 1: but a vibe and a theme with Dancing the Stars,
Speaker 1: isn't it. I think it's more in the American series,
Speaker 1: But there's always like this contraver of an affair, or
Speaker 1: someone hooks up with someone, or there's so much chemistry
Speaker 1: on stage it has to be real.
Speaker 2: I would like to have it on the record that
Speaker 2: my dance partner pot.
Speaker 1: Contradance my da dance Neil My. Your dance partner's name
Speaker 1: is Danil.
Speaker 2: My dance partner, Danil is almost two decades younger than me.
Speaker 2: So apart from the fast food is here, he's six.
Speaker 3: Sixteen. You can't do that moves at sixteen.
Speaker 1: He's twenty one. He's twenty one, so hit sixteen years
Speaker 1: younger than me.
Speaker 2: So I could have literally given birthday hand. Not that
Speaker 2: there would ever even if it was Jason Momoa, like,
Speaker 2: there would never be a thing like I I adore my.
Speaker 2: I love Matt too much. It's not that just doesn't
Speaker 2: even enter my psyche, but the fact that he's so young.
Speaker 2: Matt was like, thank God, you're partner with him. I
Speaker 2: don't even have to worry about your rubbing your body
Speaker 2: up and down him all day, so you have to
Speaker 2: pick him up from school on the training I picked
Speaker 2: him up from tafe and then I take him to
Speaker 2: training because he can't drive yet.
Speaker 1: You know he's gonna listen to this and be like, fuck,
Speaker 1: you don't know. We're so lovely, You're great. We're just
Speaker 1: taking the piss he's I've met him. He's lovely. He's
Speaker 1: a lovely dance partner.
Speaker 2: So this is his first season doing Dancing with the Stars,
Speaker 2: but the dancing verg Yeah, he's a dancing version. He's
Speaker 2: never ever danced before. No, He's like he's like Australian champion.
Speaker 2: He was like some crazy award winning multi Accolade dance person.
Speaker 1: He's got the fire in his belly, doesn't he Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so much confidence.
Speaker 2: Like if you said to him, how do you think
Speaker 2: you're gonna go, He's like, oh yeah, We're gonna win
Speaker 2: a mirror Ball.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you haven in mid dance yet he has. No.
Speaker 1: I saw a snippet, a tiny little snippet, because I
Speaker 1: peeked in on one of your sessions.
Speaker 2: I think it was because I text you SA same
Speaker 2: same same.
Speaker 1: You guys actually look really good. Well, We're going produce
Speaker 1: a Keisha and I are going some of the radio
Speaker 1: crew are going, we're gonna go to your first night
Speaker 1: to cheer you on. And I'm gonna take my own
Speaker 1: scorecard and like just write a tin on it.
Speaker 2: And if Todd mckennie gives me like a four, just
Speaker 2: hold the ten over the top of it, be like.
Speaker 1: Fuck your DoD. I'll be that person, you know how.
Speaker 1: I when you're at the football and someone runs on
Speaker 1: streaking and like everyone runs around trying to catch them,
Speaker 1: that's me. I'll be running around with the scorecard and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, get her off with your face melting off.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping my face isn't melting off by that.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, as you guys know, BRIT's been doing the
Speaker 2: skin cancer treatment. But she arrived today and she was like,
Speaker 2: I think my eyelashes have been seated off.
Speaker 3: I wish I could laugh harder.
Speaker 1: It's true they have. They're gone, mainly the bottom ones.
Speaker 1: But a little bit.
Speaker 2: Your face looks so ball at the moment, very crusty,
Speaker 2: very bald, do you know what?
Speaker 1: No, But well, I'm just thinking a way to say
Speaker 1: it because I am very, very proud to be posting
Speaker 1: on like my face bit and what's happening. And I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about my looks in the sense of what's
Speaker 1: happening at the moment, because I know it's for a
Speaker 1: good cause. But this morning I did look in the
Speaker 1: mirror and I was like, wow, I just hate myself
Speaker 1: right now because my eyelashes and my face is so
Speaker 1: swollen and you look at stopping this is what we're
Speaker 1: working with today. Okay, yeah, it's really cracked and scabby
Speaker 1: and it's painful. And once I've realized that some of
Speaker 1: the lashes are gone, it was a real life point
Speaker 1: and I was like, I actually just I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: still rocking. I'm still living my life like normals, still
Speaker 1: coming to work, and I don't care enough to like
Speaker 1: hide away like a witch. But this morning I definitely
Speaker 1: looked at myself and I was like, Okay, it's three
Speaker 1: weeks deep and I don't want to look at myself
Speaker 1: in a mirror at the moment, but I know we're
Speaker 1: in a week or two it'll be better. But I
Speaker 1: I hate myself right now. We laugh about it, but
Speaker 1: you look beautiful. Stop it. We can laugh.
Speaker 2: I know we will be peop laughing, are gone at you,
Speaker 2: but like you look beautiful, and also you should be
Speaker 2: so proud of because I think a lot of people,
Speaker 2: you know, especially when it's your face, like it's so
Speaker 2: easy to be embarrassed and then to be like, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to share this, but I'm so proud of
Speaker 2: you for sharing it and for putting all the photos
Speaker 2: up there, like you know, the good, the bad, and
Speaker 2: that not as beautiful as what you know normally you
Speaker 2: would look like, but I'm so glad that you're sharing
Speaker 2: all parts of it because the visibility is so important,
Speaker 2: and we all know that the conversations around skin cancer
Speaker 2: is so important. So as much as we take the
Speaker 2: piss out of you now, i'm very very proud if he's.
Speaker 1: Out of myself, but it's yeah, the truth is, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to ak myself right now. But on
Speaker 1: a more serious note, if anyone actually has recommendations for
Speaker 1: a LASH serum that works, like none of it, you know,
Speaker 1: like there's so much stuff that doesn't work, but like, okay,
Speaker 1: I've got no extensions, I have pointy little finger. I'm
Speaker 1: burnt off by this chemo cream because I think I
Speaker 1: want a bit hectic under the eyes. I need a
Speaker 1: good lash serum. I need these to grow.
Speaker 2: Do you actually think that stuff works, the chemo or the.
Speaker 1: Lash the lash serum apparently, yeah, you don't know. I've
Speaker 1: got a question.
Speaker 2: If it works so well, then why can't ball people
Speaker 2: just shove it all over their head and grow hair.
Speaker 1: Keisha's she's literally in the background, like in the morning.
Speaker 1: She's like me, I mean, oh, that's grim.
Speaker 2: Keisha just said that there's studies that have come out
Speaker 2: to say that lash serum has made some people go blind.
Speaker 1: So we're not promoting it. What you're saying is I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna have lashes again. No, their crawback soon, babe.
Speaker 1: Nick Cycle? Yeah yeah yeah, Nick Cycle a period.
Speaker 2: Doy Okay, look back to Dancing with the Stars for
Speaker 2: two seconds and then we can move on to other
Speaker 2: more important things.
Speaker 1: Stand to the Star.
Speaker 2: We are pre recording this episode, like the intro of
Speaker 2: this episode, so this is we're doing this on Friday.
Speaker 2: Normally we keep our interests fresh, we do it on
Speaker 2: the Monday morning. It comes out on the Tuesday.
Speaker 1: But Laura's are really high and superstar now, so we
Speaker 1: have to try and fit into her sketch.
Speaker 2: But I'm a dancer, no god if you know, but
Speaker 2: she's a glitterable I am after the mirror ball. My
Speaker 2: very first colm is Tuesday night, So if you're listening
Speaker 2: to this on the day that this drops, I will
Speaker 2: be somewhere dancing the drive at in Homebush. That's where
Speaker 2: I think it's being filmed. Do you feel petrified? Okay, great, that.
Speaker 1: Was I was gonna say nervous, but Petrifried's a great term.
Speaker 1: Don't think I've ever been so scared in my life.
Speaker 1: And what about are you scared about not doing the dance? Well,
Speaker 1: you're scared about being voted out first, you're scared about
Speaker 1: doing it in front of people.
Speaker 2: You know, Like, what's the I really don't want to
Speaker 2: be voted out first because that's just embarrassing.
Speaker 3: At least second can run the batch.
Speaker 1: I remember when I went on The Bachelor, I was like,
Speaker 1: as long as I'm not the first, if I'm on
Speaker 1: the second.
Speaker 2: Night, somewhere in the middle, so I can hide amongst it.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm okay with being average. I don't want
Speaker 2: to be really really bad, So first would probably be
Speaker 2: a bit disappointing, but you know what, if it ends
Speaker 2: up being first.
Speaker 1: We can all laugh about it in a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks time. There's no way you're first. I've seen your moves. No,
Speaker 1: I could be.
Speaker 2: I'm up against like Paulini and Bloody Pa. Do you
Speaker 2: remember what was that movie that were you all Alabrand
Speaker 2: looking for Ala Brandy. I saw her the other day
Speaker 2: and then I got like you know when you see
Speaker 2: a celebrity in real life and you get a bit
Speaker 2: of like starstruck.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it's peare I watched
Speaker 1: your movie in school. I watched it when I was
Speaker 1: like sixteen.
Speaker 2: She also looks exactly the same, like she hasn't aged
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: It's really weird. I thought that when I looked at
Speaker 1: the cast photos, like only fifty, how do you look
Speaker 1: like you're still twenty five? Is she now? No idea?
Speaker 1: She's probably gonna listen to this and like, I'm thirty.
Speaker 1: She was quite young when she filmed that. Well she
Speaker 1: was supposed to be at school. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: s you can be thirty film school. Okay, after this
Speaker 1: face peel, I reckon, I can play like a ten
Speaker 1: year old any cartin agents out there, I have just
Speaker 1: extended my age range.
Speaker 2: So Tuesday night we've got the competition. That'll be my
Speaker 2: first one, and I'm dancing the jive.
Speaker 1: Oh that's the super fun really fast.
Speaker 2: So the reason why I'm nervous is not because I'm
Speaker 2: not so much nervous.
Speaker 1: That I'm gonna get out first.
Speaker 2: If it happens, it happens, there's not much I can
Speaker 2: do about it except dance better.
Speaker 1: But no blame an injury if you're out first. Say
Speaker 1: I have rolled my ankle always, Yeah, it's not you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the ability, it's something there was something
Speaker 2: sort of hurdle I had to overcome. No, the reason
Speaker 2: why I'm nervous is because I have to think so
Speaker 2: much about the steps because the steps are so fast,
Speaker 2: Whereas if I make a mistake in the jive, there's
Speaker 2: no time to make get up. Yeah, So it's like
Speaker 2: the mistakes are so obvious, whereas if you make a
Speaker 2: mistake in a slower dance, you can just kind of
Speaker 2: like do something with your arm, make it look like
Speaker 2: to do it. So if I had a waltz or
Speaker 2: something first, I think I would be better off. And
Speaker 2: everyone keep saying like, oh God, it must be so
Speaker 2: good to learn a new skill, and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, it is, but I'll probably never use the jive again.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's not really a transferable skill. When
Speaker 1: you're out at a nightclub high kicks. Sorry, when you're
Speaker 1: out at a nightclub maybe last time you went to
Speaker 1: a nightclub, I reckon one day, I've got nightclubbing in
Speaker 1: me again. You know what you do. And I'm going
Speaker 1: to say this probably not necessary for the pod. But
Speaker 1: Ben is coming in three weeks and he's made a request.
Speaker 3: We're going to go to a nightclub.
Speaker 1: He's requested that all of our group of friends go
Speaker 1: out for drinks. And then he's like, maybe we could
Speaker 1: go to a club. And I didn't have the heart
Speaker 1: to tell him that we're all eighty year old. Inside,
Speaker 1: I was like, sure, babes, I'll get the group.
Speaker 3: Together for the club. In my head, I was like,
Speaker 3: did you even know where the club is anymore?
Speaker 1: Where do people go?
Speaker 2: Did you realize at that point in time that you
Speaker 2: were dating a twenty year old?
Speaker 1: You were like, oh my god, that's right. My boyfriend
Speaker 1: is twenty No, he's thirty one, but he just I
Speaker 1: guess he's probably normal. We are just not We're like
Speaker 1: old salt. We're all old solt.
Speaker 2: No, I think we're normal. I just have two kids
Speaker 2: and I just drink rose at home.
Speaker 1: Produce a Kisha might I was trying to do the math,
Speaker 1: ask her where to go? Well, yeah, produce the cause
Speaker 1: you might know. But what I was going to say
Speaker 1: is I was doing the math. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll book us all a restaurant, and I was doing
Speaker 1: the math of who could come, and I was doing
Speaker 1: the partners. And then I was like, looks like Kesha
Speaker 1: might have a partner now, so I added a plus
Speaker 1: one in for the new potential. We're not sure yet
Speaker 1: because we have knowd the conversation. I'm sorry, are we
Speaker 1: talking about this on the podcast? Well, obviously Laura hasn't
Speaker 1: listened to Thursday's episode that I didn't listen. I've been
Speaker 1: so busy, dare thing. I didn't even listen to my
Speaker 1: own pocket. Oh my god, no racial announcements all around.
Speaker 1: We sort of announced it, but we didn't. The conversation
Speaker 1: is Laura, you could actually chime in on this. Laura
Speaker 1: is not biased because she doesn't know the conversation. Do
Speaker 1: you have? I really should listen to my own podcast?
Speaker 1: Do you have to have the conversation. When you're in
Speaker 1: a relationship and you're dating Dereck, you have to have
Speaker 1: the conversation that you're exclusive or not or is it
Speaker 1: implied slash.
Speaker 2: I've learned from experience it is never fucking implied. It
Speaker 2: is never implied. If you think it's implied at someone
Speaker 2: out of the two.
Speaker 1: Of them still and I've left that the hard way.
Speaker 1: Mena dam never implied. That was exactly what my commas
Speaker 1: never but he She's like, I think it's just it's
Speaker 1: you know, it is what it is, And I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not. No communication is key.
Speaker 2: Let's not go with snoke signals when it comes to
Speaker 2: fidelity and monogamy.
Speaker 1: Let's just ask the question.
Speaker 2: Do you know why people don't want to ask the
Speaker 2: question because they're scared of the answer. That's why people
Speaker 2: don't like to say are we exclusive? For fear of
Speaker 2: knowing that you're not exclusive and the answer being no.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I also think some people have a fear of maybe
Speaker 1: you're more on board than the other person is. So
Speaker 1: sometimes people are like, I don't want to do it first.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, hey, do you want to
Speaker 1: go steady? If they're like, I'm still rock on the boat,
Speaker 1: you know, or my analogies are on file, like.
Speaker 2: Rocking the boat just mean like you're getting in trouble,
Speaker 2: like you're making.
Speaker 1: Pressure to do an opposite of steady, and it was rocking.
Speaker 1: That's where my brain went. So basically, what I meant
Speaker 1: is like one person might be more ready than the other,
Speaker 1: and I think that sometimes that's why people get scared
Speaker 1: of having the convoy. But Keisha's got a hand up
Speaker 1: in the corner. You don't have to put your hand up.
Speaker 1: It's because Keish doesn't have a microphone at the moment.
Speaker 5: Come on it, okay, pollar opposite foot and I've got
Speaker 5: a couple of messages about this after episode went live
Speaker 5: on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Glad that someone listened to it.
Speaker 4: That was.
Speaker 5: When you said, like you have to have the conversation.
Speaker 5: That's because you dated trash people.
Speaker 1: I've also dated trash people where I've felt the need
Speaker 1: to have the conversation.
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't realize that they were trash until until
Speaker 2: a year later when I thought we were exclusive and
Speaker 2: we weren't.
Speaker 1: She assumed exactly.
Speaker 5: And in the past I've been exactly the same where
Speaker 5: I've been like, no, I have to have the conversation
Speaker 5: because otherwise you might be fucking someone else. And I
Speaker 5: don't know about it this time. I don't have any
Speaker 5: anxiety about it, Like I just it is what it is,
Speaker 5: and like I don't have any insecurities about where I stand,
Speaker 5: Like I'm calling him, I'm calling him.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask.
Speaker 2: Him if he's your boyfriend. Must be nice, Must be nice. Also,
Speaker 2: you know what they say, assume is it? Assume makes
Speaker 2: an ass of you and me? Something like that.
Speaker 1: That's today's social video.
Speaker 3: Do you and Matt have to have the conversation after
Speaker 3: the batch?
Speaker 2: We literally had the conversation on TV, on National TV,
Speaker 2: in front of everyone. It was the most solidifying moment
Speaker 2: of my life because I was like, you can't back
Speaker 2: out of this one, motherfucker. Can I tell you guys,
Speaker 2: you can't say you didn't know that we have in
Speaker 2: a monogamous relationship after this one, like all the exes did.
Speaker 3: Can you? Yeah? I mean it also can just be cute.
Speaker 1: You can just literally be like, okay, mother friend, I'm
Speaker 1: so don't do that. I think so funny what I
Speaker 1: did one time, You're gonna die. You were going to.
Speaker 2: Rap dad levitating up to the sky. This is in
Speaker 2: the ground. As I'm saying, this is a part of me.
Speaker 1: That is my internal monologue is like, stop at Brittany,
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to tell you anyway.
Speaker 2: Please please, I will tell you to stop like a eyebrows,
Speaker 2: I mean eyelashes all the back.
Speaker 1: Wait all I can think. I literally looked in the
Speaker 1: mirror this morning. I was like, thank god I locked
Speaker 1: Ben down when I did like a giant thumb. Oh
Speaker 1: just like your trashy ex boyfriends. What I was gonna
Speaker 1: say is I was dating this guy a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, and I quite liked him, and we had
Speaker 1: had a history, like we'd known each other for a
Speaker 1: long time, but don't ever known each other as friends.
Speaker 1: I like to think I'm pretty like cute in terms
Speaker 1: of like I'm a romantic and I like to do
Speaker 1: cute things. So we were sort of seeing each other
Speaker 1: and Keisha, this is a really good for you to
Speaker 1: listen to. We've been seeing each other to the point
Speaker 1: where I was and we talked all the time on
Speaker 1: the phone. He was a decent guy. He wasn't a
Speaker 1: shit guy at all. He was really nice. He's still
Speaker 1: to this day is. But I was like, oh, obviously
Speaker 1: this is where this is going, like, you know, so
Speaker 1: I wrote him a I wrote him one of those
Speaker 1: things pack a day. Really sick for a week. I
Speaker 1: know I've been really sick for weeks, and I'm because
Speaker 1: I forgot I did this. I wrote him like this.
Speaker 1: I got this piece of paper and I wrote at
Speaker 1: the top and you know those like where you ask
Speaker 1: a question and then it splits it's yes no, and
Speaker 1: then you do a line and it splits, and then
Speaker 1: you ask another question is yes no, and it goes yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like a trick. It's a question tree that goes
Speaker 1: down the page. I did this whole amazing tree and
Speaker 1: it was so in depth and it was so cute,
Speaker 1: and at the bottom it was to get to like
Speaker 1: will you be my boyfriend? Kind of thing, like do
Speaker 1: you want to go steady? And I just thought it
Speaker 1: was gonna be an obvious yes, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was a cute way to do it. Anyway, it was
Speaker 1: a no. I'm still the day feel so awward thinking
Speaker 1: about it. The good part was he didn't he didn't
Speaker 1: do the tree circle, no one send it back to me.
Speaker 1: He just called me it's like we need to have
Speaker 1: a conversation and bless and I was like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: I really misread the room. He's like, but that was
Speaker 1: really a cute thing, and I appreciate he was so great.
Speaker 1: He was like it was really sweet, and I was like,
Speaker 1: totally fine, I do that to everyone. You're like, let's
Speaker 1: pretend it never happened. But he was like, I'm just
Speaker 1: not ready for a relationship. But like standard sydneyman, we.
Speaker 2: Like, but you're ready to continue to keep sleeping with
Speaker 2: me and treat me like I'm your girlfriend. That would
Speaker 2: be great. Let's do that the next year until you
Speaker 2: find someone better.
Speaker 1: I think we did it like one more time and
Speaker 1: then we both were like cool.
Speaker 2: The thing is when it is about you tell me
Speaker 2: that you're not ready for a relationship until you start
Speaker 2: dating someone else.
Speaker 1: In a month, you got married and had a kid.
Speaker 3: He got married, not a kid.
Speaker 6: Oh live on air right now, Keisha's current boyfriend that
Speaker 6: we don't know just message her and said are we
Speaker 6: having the conversation, which means he listened to Thursday's episode.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, can you respond right now and say
Speaker 1: do we need to? No, say do we need to
Speaker 1: or is it assumed? Can you please? This is live content.
Speaker 1: Keisha's getting a boyfriend live on air? Do it for
Speaker 1: the team? Keisha?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, by it?
Speaker 1: No, that was too much.
Speaker 2: Pretty anyway, let's mine your life. Let's mine your life
Speaker 2: for as much content as possible.
Speaker 1: Geisha, you bulled in. You don't get paid enough. He
Speaker 1: should send him a photo of what's happening right now
Speaker 1: and say we're talking about right now, record.
Speaker 2: Us and we'll ask him for you just video and
Speaker 2: you can send in the video.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hello, hello, potential boyfriend. Hi, his name's Toddler and
Speaker 1: Hi Toddler. Rumor has it you must have heard the
Speaker 1: conversation that Keisha and I had Onday's episode of Life Uncut,
Speaker 1: because you did just message Keisha and ask if you
Speaker 1: guys need to have the conversation. And the question is
Speaker 1: do you think you need to have the conversation or
Speaker 1: do you think it is assumed? And if it's assumed,
Speaker 1: what are we assuming? Yeah? Yeah, can't wait for the answer.
Speaker 3: Ha or he Welcome to the Life on Cut family.
Speaker 2: Men must be so scared to enter this little world
Speaker 2: of ours because like they know, all men know, Like
Speaker 2: I'm lucky because Matt's locked in he already. I mean,
Speaker 2: he shares enough of our bloody sex life on his
Speaker 2: podcast now too. It's double whammy. But he's got four
Speaker 2: years to make up for it and get back at me.
Speaker 2: But like for you guys over the years, trying to
Speaker 2: bring a man into the chaos that is us sharing
Speaker 2: our life as podcast content, truly would be petrifying for
Speaker 2: some man.
Speaker 1: You know what, You're lucky that Matt's quite well, he
Speaker 1: is not quite. He's very open and he's very in
Speaker 1: the media, and he loves that kind of a life.
Speaker 1: But like the people I've dated or all very opposite,
Speaker 1: they're very shy and they're very quiet. This is like,
Speaker 1: imagine if you were a shy, quiet person coming into
Speaker 1: this kind of a life.
Speaker 2: Totally, it makes it very challenging to date. And I
Speaker 2: know that because I know you've spoken about it loads before,
Speaker 2: and I know that for a lot of people that
Speaker 2: we've interviewed who live public lives.
Speaker 1: I know when I say public lives.
Speaker 2: Of course, we don't share everything about our lives on
Speaker 2: the podcast, but we share things that might make other
Speaker 2: people feel uncomfortable or awkward. You know, we'll talk about
Speaker 2: sex and then some people would think, oh God, I
Speaker 2: could never talk about that in an open setting.
Speaker 1: Well, we also felt like that once time I'm going
Speaker 1: to talk and then the dial it just shifts over time,
Speaker 1: and then here we are and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: daily mails writing articles that the headline is Laura's big
Speaker 1: fat Harry.
Speaker 2: Vagina, and I'm fine with it anyway. We'll come back
Speaker 2: to Keisha and whether she has a boyfriend or not.
Speaker 2: Speaking of sharing too much and Matt getting me back
Speaker 2: over the years for everything that I have been sharing
Speaker 2: on this podcast. Molly May is like almost four. She
Speaker 2: turns four in a couple of weeks time. And in
Speaker 2: the four years of her life, she has never walked
Speaker 2: in on us getting down and diberty.
Speaker 1: Although three times she hasn't walked in.
Speaker 2: I know she hasn't caught us in the act yet,
Speaker 2: and it could be because it's quite infrequent.
Speaker 1: But she also sleeps in no bed.
Speaker 2: So like, Molly gets up every single night at around
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock and she goes from her bed and comes
Speaker 2: and gets into our bed, and then we spend the
Speaker 2: entire night with her kicking me in the tit for
Speaker 2: the rest of it. So like it is surprising that
Speaker 2: up until this point, and I know we joke all
Speaker 2: the time that I don't have sex, but I do. Guys,
Speaker 2: it happens. So up until this point in time, she's
Speaker 2: never ever walked in on us. But Matt shared the
Speaker 2: story on his podcast, so I feel like I need
Speaker 2: to share my version of it. We were doing the
Speaker 2: horizontal dance of love the other night, yeah, but us
Speaker 2: naked in missionary position, which would mean Matt was on top,
Speaker 2: no blanket, no nothing. I feel like I was being
Speaker 2: semi vocal, but like not that vocal that it would
Speaker 2: have woken her up, but vocal enough that she would
Speaker 2: have been like, what are they?
Speaker 1: What game are they playing? Some husky breathing anyway, Yeah, nah,
Speaker 1: big more than that. Oh, I was scary. It was scary.
Speaker 1: It was pretty much you all.
Speaker 2: So we're in the middle of it, this you know,
Speaker 2: passionate love making session and all here is this and
Speaker 2: it was like a cartoon. I heard the pita powder
Speaker 2: and then as soon as I look to the right,
Speaker 2: she just arrived like a tombstone, standing next to the bed.
Speaker 1: Like how did you get that? So you was so
Speaker 1: close to our faces.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is gonna be traumatic for you
Speaker 2: and cost you a lot in therapy when you're older. Anyway,
Speaker 2: she was literally right next to my face and we
Speaker 2: hadn't had time to do anything. We were just kind
Speaker 2: of frozen in position.
Speaker 1: But do you know what, that's probably the best position
Speaker 1: to be when you're sprung, because.
Speaker 2: Oh, you just look like you're laying down in bed.
Speaker 2: We like you're close and cuddly. Yeah, just having a
Speaker 2: naked close cuddle. Yeah, or she would have been out
Speaker 2: of sea with her dad's butt. Really and like the
Speaker 2: side of my leg, it's not like.
Speaker 1: A sixty nine or how do you explain that? You
Speaker 1: don't You really don't. I don't know what you do
Speaker 1: for that. No, as we all know, I've seen it
Speaker 1: before of my mom. Oh yeah, Laura did catch her mum,
Speaker 1: that was true. Let's not visit revisit that anyway. So
Speaker 1: it turned to it.
Speaker 2: She's like there right at my face, and like I said,
Speaker 2: she gets into her bed every night. There's nothing that
Speaker 2: you can do to deter her from getting into bed, right, Like,
Speaker 2: that's just her. She as soon as she gets to
Speaker 2: the bed, she climbs on in. And I turned to
Speaker 2: her and she looked at us and she was a
Speaker 2: bit like the fuck is going on here? And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, sweet here, maybe you should go back
Speaker 2: to your own bed tonight. And she just looks us
Speaker 2: as both and she goes, okay, Mummy, turns around and
Speaker 2: walks straight out and.
Speaker 1: Puts herself back to bed. And the fact that she
Speaker 1: did that means she clocked something was different, because she
Speaker 1: would always get in a bed kind of sense.
Speaker 2: She was like, I don't know what this is, but
Speaker 2: I don't want to know, and then she didn't mention anything.
Speaker 2: She kind of did. She said, you told me to
Speaker 2: go back to my bed last night, and I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: Mommy and Daddy were wrestling, having a wrestle. We were
Speaker 2: having we were having a special adult tickle.
Speaker 1: She'd have told her you were like practicing the dance
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't want her to get that impression. Then
Speaker 2: imagine how much that's gonna affect her when she's older.
Speaker 2: And she thinks that's what I was doing with my
Speaker 2: dance teacher. But you think anyway, Daily Mail, stay the
Speaker 2: fuck away from that headline.
Speaker 1: Fuck me. Oh okay, guys, we've just gotten a live
Speaker 1: update from Keisha's This is the most amazing content life
Speaker 1: on Cut has ever had. Keisha's sent what we just
Speaker 1: did before to Toddler own bless your soul. You've taken
Speaker 1: one for the team, Keisha, and he's just responded with
Speaker 1: please read out loud. This poor guy does not know
Speaker 1: what he's in for. I think he does.
Speaker 2: He wrote, if I have a whole pass, I'm not
Speaker 2: exercising it, so you're not making a mistake.
Speaker 1: To clarify Kysh's got that is basically you're basically engaged.
Speaker 1: I think he's saying he's not.
Speaker 2: That's nothing going on with anyone else. He's trying to
Speaker 2: cure he's exclusive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's trying to say that you guys are locked down.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, she's so embarrassed. I'm that's so cute.
Speaker 1: We haven't known Keisha to have a boyfriend traumatized.
Speaker 2: Can I also just put it out there we are
Speaker 2: now hiring for somebody who is single, because we need
Speaker 2: somebody single in our company at all times.
Speaker 1: At least, you know, Laura and I are on par
Speaker 1: with our opinions. Yeah, yeah, and also the content that
Speaker 1: we want. And he seems really nice. Yeah, Hi, Hi Tabloom, Welcome, Welcome,
Speaker 1: to the family. All right, let's leave it because she's
Speaker 1: died of embarrassment. Speaking of embarrassment, I've got a great
Speaker 1: little accidentally unfiltered here.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's been a while since we've done an accidently
Speaker 2: unfiltered I love this in a while, but this one
Speaker 2: came into email.
Speaker 1: All right, they're really in traditional format. Yeah, highlight uncut team.
Speaker 1: I was out for drinks with my friend's night and
Speaker 1: we all decided to do accidentally unfiltered and tell our
Speaker 1: most embarrassing moments. And I begged me to riding with this.
Speaker 1: Now I love that you guys have done this. So
Speaker 1: a few years ago, I was living in my parents'
Speaker 1: garage that we had turned into a bedroom. The sliding
Speaker 1: door to the room had a doggy door, and my
Speaker 1: clothes were kept in baskets along the bottom shelf. Now,
Speaker 1: I had a very lovely pink silicone vibrator, but it
Speaker 1: didn't look like a dick. It was just like a
Speaker 1: pink sort of stick like shape like a dick, like
Speaker 1: a pink dick, but just like I guess, not real shape,
Speaker 1: just like the pretty one.
Speaker 3: It was a pink stick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the pretty dildos. One afternoon I arrived home from
Speaker 1: work to see my dad sitting in the backyard playing
Speaker 1: fetch with my dog, throwing around my pink dial do.
Speaker 1: My dog had obviously found it in a basket through
Speaker 1: the doggy door. I was so mortified, but I had
Speaker 1: to play it cool, so I decided to play with
Speaker 1: both of them. Played throw the dog toy with Dad,
Speaker 1: but then I had to yeat it over the fence
Speaker 1: and be like, oops, lost the dog's toy. It was
Speaker 1: the most embarrassing thing ever. And thank god my dad
Speaker 1: never cluede onto it.
Speaker 3: She played fetch with her dad and then dog with
Speaker 3: Big Dilda.
Speaker 2: Imagine being the neighbor and finding a fucking dialdo in
Speaker 2: your backyard.
Speaker 1: Just do in the garden and you get you eat
Speaker 1: it in the head with a dildo. It is so funny.
Speaker 1: I love it so much.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: I love the idea that you sat around with your
Speaker 2: girlfriends and shared your acciently and filtered stories.
Speaker 1: What are good if?
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're going out for dinner with your friends,
Speaker 2: this is such a good little thing for you to
Speaker 2: do this weekend or next weekend. Sit down and ask like,
Speaker 2: what is your most embarrassing story? It'll give you the
Speaker 2: best laugh and then write them in, and then make
Speaker 2: sure you write them in because you know, we haven't
Speaker 2: been doing many accidently unfilters this year, and I feel
Speaker 2: like it's time to bring it back.
Speaker 1: Baby or she also said, please keep me anonymous. Love
Speaker 1: the podcast. Just so you know, everyone is anonymous. Everyone
Speaker 1: never we don't even look at your profile. Sometimes we
Speaker 1: just sometimes because sometimes we do. Oh you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: when it's really funny, we have a look, but only
Speaker 1: because we're like, I want to put a face to
Speaker 1: queen the name of that person, but I want to
Speaker 1: put a face in the name of this queen. Yes,
Speaker 1: but we promise you will always be anonymous. But please
Speaker 1: keep those coming in because I live for them.
Speaker 2: You can slide into the dams at Life on Cut podcast.
Speaker 2: Well Tony Armstrong wears a lot of cats.
Speaker 1: He's a TV presenter, he's an XAFL player, he's an
Speaker 1: assy heart throb. He's a podcast or with a new podcast,
Speaker 1: The Pool Room, and if you'll listen to Australian media,
Speaker 1: he's the next Bachelor. Tony, Welcome to Life on Cut.
Speaker 4: It's such a thrill to be here. Love the laundry.
Speaker 4: List of things that I am particularly the one that
Speaker 4: we all knows the most true, which is the bachelor.
Speaker 4: One very happy with that one.
Speaker 1: Can we either prove it or defunk it?
Speaker 2: I mean, I know we've spoken about it before the
Speaker 2: pick up, but just for everybody out there who's curious
Speaker 2: or who's dying to know, will you ever be the
Speaker 2: Bachelor or has it ever been on the table?
Speaker 4: No? Despite the weird nature of the job that I
Speaker 4: guess we all do, I don't like people knowing weird
Speaker 4: shit about me, and I can imagine that, like if
Speaker 4: I was doing a dating show on TV, you know,
Speaker 4: like that'd be too invasive for me. So no full
Speaker 4: respect to people who do it.
Speaker 1: But I'm not insulted. I was going to say, I
Speaker 1: don't I know we were both on the batch. I
Speaker 1: think I reckon he probably knows. I don't think he does.
Speaker 4: No, I do, But I guess the thing is like
Speaker 4: for me, I couldn't like, Yeah, I mean, I'm awkward
Speaker 4: enough as is, so I would find trying to be
Speaker 4: vulnerable like that, properly vulnerable like that would be tough.
Speaker 4: I would imagine, what was it.
Speaker 2: Like you say that you were awkward? I actually just
Speaker 2: think that you're smarter. Than us, because you've been in
Speaker 2: the media ring. I think like when we signed up
Speaker 2: and did it, we had no idea of what to
Speaker 2: expect because we were so fresh and so green. Now
Speaker 2: looking back, if I knew what I knew and I
Speaker 2: didn't think I'd get a husband out of it, I
Speaker 2: certainly wouldn't be doing it.
Speaker 1: Look, I think there's a lot of women out there
Speaker 1: that'll be disappointed to hear that those rumors are fault
Speaker 1: because I think there is. I know there is a
Speaker 1: long line up for you, Tony, So how do you
Speaker 1: know I was one of them at one Stay okay,
Speaker 1: just to.
Speaker 2: Make you really awkward while we start this, but to
Speaker 2: make you even more awkward, we start every single chat
Speaker 2: the same way with our guests, and that is an
Speaker 2: accidentally unfiltered story, basically the most embarrassing thing that's ever
Speaker 2: happened to you.
Speaker 1: It's very humanizing and we want you to bear your soul.
Speaker 4: So I've got a couple. I've got a laundry list,
Speaker 4: but the first one that comes to mind right now.
Speaker 4: I was lucky enough to be one of the hosts
Speaker 4: of ABC's ninety f Birthday and like we did like
Speaker 4: extravaganza type night up in Sydney and we were catching
Speaker 4: up on zoom to like talk through how the night
Speaker 4: would go and how the scripts was, and you know,
Speaker 4: doing line reads and all that kind of stuff. And
Speaker 4: I do wrecky TV for people who don't know, and like,
Speaker 4: I am just so tired all the time. I know
Speaker 4: that's a boring thing to say, but I'm so tired
Speaker 4: all the time. Anyway, I was on this zoom right
Speaker 4: with all the big wigs, and I've done this more
Speaker 4: than once, but on this occasion, we were reading through
Speaker 4: all of the script and I was here at home
Speaker 4: on my couch like listening, and then I just fully,
Speaker 4: fully fell asleep in the middle of this zoom and like,
Speaker 4: my bosses and my boss's bosses are all in there,
Speaker 4: and you know, normally if you fell asleep, there's someone
Speaker 4: there who can Just so my phone is not I
Speaker 4: don't know my phones on do not disturb. The only
Speaker 4: way they can get to me is through the zoom.
Speaker 4: I'm asleep. I can't hear the fucking zoom. I come
Speaker 4: back and the script writers are in there, and then
Speaker 4: at the end they go, oh, so what's the script like?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, I fucking fell asleep to find
Speaker 4: it was very And I've done it in interviews before
Speaker 4: as well, where I've like, I take, say, I do
Speaker 4: like a run of interviews for a show or something
Speaker 4: like that. I used to have a noise canceling headphones
Speaker 4: and I would just lie on my bed with my
Speaker 4: phone here and just do the interviews like lying down.
Speaker 4: And the amount of times I've fallen asleep in interviews
Speaker 4: and then had to like be like, oh, sorry, you
Speaker 4: broke up. What was that, like, you know, waking up
Speaker 4: some Tony Tony? Are you there?
Speaker 1: I really hope that we made through the whole episode
Speaker 1: with you staying away. That would be your.
Speaker 4: Dream, Like, oh my god. The other one, when I
Speaker 4: was like sixteen, I was playing for my combined school
Speaker 4: footy team, so like the kind of rep team, and
Speaker 4: the coach of the side was a fellow called Ken Fletcher,
Speaker 4: and he was a bomber's legend and I was so
Speaker 4: nervous to meet him. We're in like a line, the
Speaker 4: same way that you do when you're like cheap in
Speaker 4: like an exam or something, and you know how sometimes
Speaker 4: you'd write their name because you're copying the person I
Speaker 4: introduced myself as the person in front of me, because
Speaker 4: I was so nervous to meet this guy. I can't
Speaker 4: remember his I can't remember the guy in front of
Speaker 4: his name. He's like, I know your name's Tony. We
Speaker 4: picked you, we know who you. I was like, Ken,
Speaker 4: I've had a meltdown, sorry, mate, and I walked off. Also,
Speaker 4: I don't want to be rude to Louis Plumbing, but
Speaker 4: she's like a tennis commentator that we get on and
Speaker 4: I think for ages she thought my name was Nick,
Speaker 4: so at the end of our crosses she'd be like,
Speaker 4: thanks Nick, and I'd just be like, because.
Speaker 1: You don't want to tell them. I hate that.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to be rude as well, like
Speaker 4: on TV and like correct someone right. Michael Roland would
Speaker 4: love it. Every time he'd be like, and I'd just
Speaker 4: be like. And then eventually I think someone told her,
Speaker 4: because there was one day where she was like over
Speaker 4: the top, he's thanks Tony, Yeah, great question.
Speaker 2: You like, you're never going to be able to hide
Speaker 2: the fact that you've been calling me Nick for six
Speaker 2: months because no one knows my name.
Speaker 1: It does get to a point where you can't say anything.
Speaker 1: I remember my old job. Someone called me Bridget and
Speaker 1: I was new, so I didn't want to correct them,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'll just go with Bridget. I
Speaker 1: was Bridget for three years.
Speaker 2: I just was like, well, you never ever corrected them,
Speaker 2: and nobody ever realized that was wrong.
Speaker 1: No, we got too deep. That's I'm like, I feel
Speaker 1: like you know that your conflict.
Speaker 2: Avoid it when you get to that point in your
Speaker 2: career and people are still calling you by the wrong name.
Speaker 4: Oh, like, I will happily eat the thing that I
Speaker 4: lose to avoid throwing someone. You know, I'll like, well,
Speaker 4: you know, if it matters to you, let's do that.
Speaker 4: That's me. I'm scared of conflict.
Speaker 2: Tony, tell us a little bit about what your childhood
Speaker 2: was like. You grew up with your mum and she
Speaker 2: was a single mom at the time.
Speaker 4: Oh, it was awesome.
Speaker 1: Where did you grow up all over?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 4: I was born at the old Royal Women's in Paddington,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if it's still there. Then grew up
Speaker 4: sort of out West Sydney, so like Cabra matter Fairfield
Speaker 4: if you know it, like past Paramatta spent some time
Speaker 4: on the south coast of New South Wales and then
Speaker 4: mum wanted do they call it a tree change? Is
Speaker 4: it a tree change? If you move to the country,
Speaker 4: it's a sea change.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the inland version.
Speaker 2: I think a tree change is when you, yeah, when
Speaker 2: you're heading in for a bit more nature, let's go
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 4: Yes, So mum, being a teacher, she asked for a
Speaker 4: teaching transfer to within a half hour driving radius of
Speaker 4: Aubery and we ended up in a little town called
Speaker 4: Brocklesby that had literally like one hundred people living there,
Speaker 4: which was wild. It was like a farming town, and
Speaker 4: then went to boarding school at Assumption College. But yeah,
Speaker 4: growing up it was particularly when we're in the country,
Speaker 4: like after school, it would just be me. So I
Speaker 4: got quite imaginative and just used to fuck around heaps
Speaker 4: so much.
Speaker 1: When you say, just you che did you have no
Speaker 1: friends because there weren't many people around, or did you
Speaker 1: live so far away from everyone else in this tiny
Speaker 1: town that no one could get to you?
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, no, no, no, That's kind of what it was like.
Speaker 4: So all the kids were on the farms around the town,
Speaker 4: and then all my friends from school were in Aubrey.
Speaker 4: So like after school I didn't really hang out with
Speaker 4: other kids. It would be just mum and I and yeah,
Speaker 4: like I had at the mint time. I used to
Speaker 4: muck around heaps. I'd make bike jumps, I play the drums,
Speaker 4: I'd watch Telly whatever. Yeah, I had a really good time.
Speaker 2: How old were you when your dad was out of
Speaker 2: the picture and it was just you.
Speaker 1: And your mum?
Speaker 4: So I never met my dad until like two years ago.
Speaker 1: Wow, and how old are you?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I am thirty three years old and.
Speaker 2: Feeling you are a young little spring chicken.
Speaker 1: That's where you are.
Speaker 4: Thank you? Are we recording? Can we are?
Speaker 1: We can say that that can be the.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, it was just mum and I. But it
Speaker 4: wasn't necessarily I guess something where obviously like I yearned
Speaker 4: for a dad because you see it, but I also
Speaker 4: never had it, so it wasn't like I lost something.
Speaker 2: Also, I guess in your case, in terms of like identity,
Speaker 2: understanding where you come from, having that sense of belonging
Speaker 2: or familiarity, was there, I mean, not necessarily a longing
Speaker 2: for your dad or for a father figure, because I
Speaker 2: do think that, I mean for me, I would write
Speaker 2: with a single mum as well, And I think that
Speaker 2: your mom can really feel that cut for you. But
Speaker 2: was there a sense of kind of wanting to know
Speaker 2: a bit of where you came from and that was
Speaker 2: like the driving force to meet your dad so many
Speaker 2: years down the track, or was there another reason as
Speaker 2: to why two years ago you decided to meet him.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, that's a really good question. I just felt
Speaker 4: like the time was right. I'd never really actively wanted to.
Speaker 4: And then I don't know what it was that changed
Speaker 4: in me, probably getting a bit long in the twos
Speaker 4: and thinking about things like deeper things, I suppose, and
Speaker 4: then I was like, oh, yeah, I mean it'd be cool,
Speaker 4: Probably because I was thinking, you know, like if I
Speaker 4: have kids, I want them to know you know what
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 1: Did you have access to your father whenever you wanted,
Speaker 1: like you always knew to find him if he wanted,
Speaker 1: or did that only come later?
Speaker 4: Nah? So, like I didn't pursue it because you know,
Speaker 4: I felt really loyal to Mum and I didn't want
Speaker 4: to put her out despite the fact that she would
Speaker 4: always be like if you ever want to know, out
Speaker 4: of a sense of loyalty that even though that's not
Speaker 4: being disloyed in yet, just like being young and not
Speaker 4: really knowing how to navigate some of those tricky things
Speaker 4: that life throws up.
Speaker 1: What was it like when you finally met Do you
Speaker 1: end up having a relationship with him? And I guess
Speaker 1: I'm curious for this because my mom didn't have a dad.
Speaker 1: My mom's dad left very very which I think she
Speaker 1: was two or three. She didn't remember him, and when
Speaker 1: she was in her forties, she got curious and she
Speaker 1: decided to meet him because she imagined it would be
Speaker 1: this beautiful reunion and this is why he wasn't around.
Speaker 1: And she just said it was just shit. She's like,
Speaker 1: I wish I never met him. I wish I didn't
Speaker 1: get that curiosity and just continue to live my life.
Speaker 1: He didn't live up to what she had imagined. So
Speaker 1: what was it like for you?
Speaker 4: I went into it kind of not expecting anything. We've
Speaker 4: got a relationship, but yeah, like it was just fucking
Speaker 4: weird to be honest, Like you're kind of like, you know,
Speaker 4: you're looking at half of yourself. There's all like the
Speaker 4: woe is Me feelings that go through, but like everyone's
Speaker 4: got their shit. He had his shit. I think we're
Speaker 4: getting there. I don't know where it'll get to I
Speaker 4: like him, I'm fond of him, but I'm also I've
Speaker 4: been burnt by him.
Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely from I mean, not so much about
Speaker 2: your relationship with your dad by any means, but your
Speaker 2: relationship I guess with yourself as well. Your dad is Indigenous,
Speaker 2: and I guess growing up in a household and also
Speaker 2: in a community where you visibly present as Indigenous but
Speaker 2: maybe don't have a good link to your history, to
Speaker 2: your culture.
Speaker 1: What was that like for you?
Speaker 4: I got so fucking good at spinning yarns, I bet
Speaker 4: because you know, like kids are just so you just
Speaker 4: don't ask. Yeah, yeah, that was just and I just
Speaker 4: make shit up. So obviously that's like complex, right. As
Speaker 4: I've gotten older, got more perspective on what it is,
Speaker 4: and I guess that was part of the reason why
Speaker 4: I did want to reach out. Well, I actually didn't
Speaker 4: reach out, but like that was why I kind of
Speaker 4: like opened myself up to wanting to connect. Was because
Speaker 4: I had like imposter syndrome. But then it's like, well,
Speaker 4: like this is also a black experience, right, Like it's
Speaker 4: just my one versus someone who's grown up with knowledge,
Speaker 4: with culture, with family, with community. Mine's just a different
Speaker 4: version of that, Like, I'm not Robinson Cruzo, like with
Speaker 4: colonization and displacement, all the fucking shit that's happened. My
Speaker 4: story is one that is so common. So yeah, like
Speaker 4: used to have imposter syndrome. Now I'm like comfortable with
Speaker 4: who I am. I'm trying to be comfortable with who
Speaker 4: I am and curious.
Speaker 1: I suppose you're wildly successful. Now do you still feel
Speaker 1: like you suffer from that? When you get a new gig,
Speaker 1: or you're on a new TV show, or people are
Speaker 1: putting pressure on you to speak about your upbringing and
Speaker 1: your community, do you feel like that's still you're not
Speaker 1: the person to be doing that, even though we all know,
Speaker 1: of course you are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. It's like I've got this platform, which
Speaker 4: I'm so grateful for, so I kind of feel like
Speaker 4: it's incumbent on me to be strong. But then I'm
Speaker 4: also like, fuck, i am a bozo.
Speaker 1: But I love it. Do you think that?
Speaker 4: No? But I'm like, there are so many people who
Speaker 4: are so much smarter, so much more research, so much
Speaker 4: more adequate to talk on things. However, for one reason
Speaker 4: or another, they don't get given the microphone. So I
Speaker 4: like try to align myself with really good thinkers and
Speaker 4: thinkers that I really respect and I know community respects,
Speaker 4: and then I just try to echo what they say.
Speaker 2: We had a really great conversation with Taylor Gray when
Speaker 2: it was Australia Day, and I loved speaking to her
Speaker 2: because one of the things that she said was that
Speaker 2: she feels as though there is so much responsibility on
Speaker 2: her to represent an entire group of people. And then
Speaker 2: she was like, but no white person walks into a
Speaker 2: room and goes, I'm representing everyone. She's like, you get
Speaker 2: to show up and just represent yourself, represent the fact
Speaker 2: that you do a podcast, or you make jewelry or
Speaker 2: whatever it is. She was like, but when you are
Speaker 2: an Indigenous person, you walk into a room and people
Speaker 2: expect you to speak for everyone. And she's like, and
Speaker 2: it's such a wild expectation that everybody has, yeah, and responsibility,
Speaker 2: but also one that's just so completely unfair. And I
Speaker 2: think as well for you, because you are this very
Speaker 2: respected voice in the media, but there are very few
Speaker 2: extremely successful media personalities throo are also Indigenous that expectation
Speaker 2: falls even harder on you.
Speaker 4: Well, for sure, I'm really good mates with Brooke Boning
Speaker 4: a bit. She and I talk about it to each other,
Speaker 4: basically like moaning to each other. But it's really funny
Speaker 4: you say that, because I was lucky enough to be
Speaker 4: the first Indigenous person to commentate AFL on commercial radio.
Speaker 4: And I remember in The Leader they made a big
Speaker 4: thing about it. I did it for Triple, and they
Speaker 4: made this huge thing about it because you know, it
Speaker 4: was awesome for Triple to be like the ones who
Speaker 4: did it. We were making history. And I just remember
Speaker 4: the lead up being like, I can't fuck this up
Speaker 4: because if I dopect. If I do, I'll put blackfellows back.
Speaker 4: And this is with no disrespect to white commentators, but
Speaker 4: they're not thinking exactly to your point. They're not thinking, well,
Speaker 4: like I stuff this up, I'm going to fuck this
Speaker 4: up for it. You know, it's not going to affect
Speaker 4: the perception of a people. Whereas sometimes I worry that
Speaker 4: worries a bit strong. But sometimes I think that I
Speaker 4: can directly affect perception of Indigenous people just because of
Speaker 4: the platform I've been given, Like I can literally make
Speaker 4: people think and obviously the way the brain works worse,
Speaker 4: Like I can make people think worse of Indigenous people
Speaker 4: through my actions, which is a really cooked way to think, right,
Speaker 4: Like you should just be worried about being a good person.
Speaker 1: I mean, the pressure of the responsibility. I've never quite
Speaker 1: thought of it like that, that you've thought, I can't
Speaker 1: be the one to fuck it up into people's perspective
Speaker 1: for the worst. And something you just mentioned which just
Speaker 1: struck me a little bit, as you said, like there
Speaker 1: are people more intelligent than me that should be, you know,
Speaker 1: having these conversations when the first thing I thought of
Speaker 1: is I never would have thought that. I never would
Speaker 1: have thought someone's not intelligent enough to have the conversation,
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, it's your lived
Speaker 1: experience and it's your story to share. And apart from that,
Speaker 1: you're incredibly talented at everything that you do, and that
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with you've been indigenous.
Speaker 4: Let's cut that up too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got some of my light reels here. I
Speaker 1: understand why it's frightening.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, also going back, we're obviously going to
Speaker 2: get into talking about footy very shortly.
Speaker 1: But you know, you come from a very different background.
Speaker 2: It's not like you came from a journalistic background and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you're working in media and
Speaker 2: being called up to do a whole bunch of different things,
Speaker 2: and being asked to do breakfast media. It's like the
Speaker 2: trajectory seemed to happen so quickly, and I'm sure it
Speaker 2: wasn't an overnight thing for you. But I guess before
Speaker 2: we get into how you made that transition between football
Speaker 2: to media personality, i'd love to know a little bit
Speaker 2: about your childhood football dreams, how you kind of navigated
Speaker 2: that period of your life, and then what it was
Speaker 2: like to transition into professional football.
Speaker 4: Oh well, I used to sleep with a footy. I
Speaker 4: was like that obsessed, right, Having no friends around after
Speaker 4: school and stuff meant that I would just take the
Speaker 4: footy and I'll just kick it at trees, kick it
Speaker 4: at targets, you know, the ten thousand hours thing, like
Speaker 4: I would have clocked fifty sixty thou Like, it was
Speaker 4: wild and I loved it. And it's quite funny. I've
Speaker 4: spoken about this before, but it's so true when you're
Speaker 4: growing up. I think this has happened to all of us.
Speaker 4: It's like try hard, work hard, and you'll get what
Speaker 4: you want, you know, Like that's like the dream, right,
Speaker 4: It's like you work hard at whatever it is, and
Speaker 4: success will come your way. And what I found out
Speaker 4: through footy was that that actually isn't always the case.
Speaker 4: You know, you can bust a gut, you can scrap,
Speaker 4: you can you know, move all over the country, you
Speaker 4: can bust your ass, and it still might not be
Speaker 4: good enough. But then the best thing that came out
Speaker 4: of like all of that, out of footy not making
Speaker 4: it not being good enough was I learned that it
Speaker 4: will be okay, Like all of this could go away
Speaker 4: tomorrow and I'd be fine. I mean, I'll probably have
Speaker 4: to sell the house, I.
Speaker 1: Have to make some adjustments to the spending.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'd be fine. And so like that fear
Speaker 4: of failure that can constrict people. You know, we all
Speaker 4: know people who you see like you're like, come on, man,
Speaker 4: like just do it, You're brilliant, just do the thing,
Speaker 4: and they get in their own way. Like I'm lucky
Speaker 4: that football gave me that fearlessness, but it was also hard.
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you cope with that when you
Speaker 2: have all these dreams and aspirations, when you're literally sleeping
Speaker 2: with a football as a child, and then you make it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're good but then maybe just not quite
Speaker 2: good enough, all right, Laura, What I mean is is
Speaker 2: that there is an expectation that you need to be
Speaker 2: even better. How do you deal and overcome that sense
Speaker 2: of failure?
Speaker 4: So I got like really sad because football you get
Speaker 4: so much feedback, both directly and indirectly, and when you're
Speaker 4: not in like the senior side, you're getting indirect feedback
Speaker 4: each week through non selection that you're literally not good enough.
Speaker 4: Like we're all trying to play in the seniors, right,
Speaker 4: and if you're not getting selected, what are they saying
Speaker 4: you're not good enough? But then all week you're busting
Speaker 4: your ass, busting your ass trying to play in the
Speaker 4: senior team. And so I think over sort of eight
Speaker 4: years of on a weekly basis being told you're not
Speaker 4: good enough, but then your identity being so wrapped up
Speaker 4: in what you do as well, it just took a
Speaker 4: while for me to like realize that like sort of
Speaker 4: what I do is not who I am. Necessarily, Still
Speaker 4: work on that all the time, Still work on like
Speaker 4: learning to like like myself, because I got like a
Speaker 4: deep sort of kind of self loathing through the feedback
Speaker 4: and footy and all that kind of shit, but yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm getting that. It's good. It's hard.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you got drafted to the Adelaide Crows in
Speaker 1: I think tow thousand and seven. Then twenty twelve you
Speaker 1: debut for the Sydney Swans and like, that's a team
Speaker 1: you grew up supporting, which is pretty amazing. Surely that
Speaker 1: is a bit of a confidence boost for you. What
Speaker 1: was that time?
Speaker 4: Like, it was weird, it was like awesome, Like fuck,
Speaker 4: running around kicking a footy, lift and weights, getting massages,
Speaker 4: going for coffees, playing FIFA. It's fucking sick. I was
Speaker 4: looking that good back then. I was fucking ripped six pack.
Speaker 4: It's not great now, but back then, pooh. Anyway, it
Speaker 4: was sick to work on something so hard and like
Speaker 4: hone a craft, focus on getting really good at something
Speaker 4: hyper specific. I found that really cool. But then there
Speaker 4: was the other side of the coin, which was what
Speaker 4: I just talked about with like the non selection. I've
Speaker 4: used this analogy before, it I reckon it's a good one.
Speaker 4: It was like I was having a shower with a
Speaker 4: raincoat on, Like I was like doing it, but I
Speaker 4: wasn't playing every week. I wasn't one of the main,
Speaker 4: you know, like I was there, but it just wasn't
Speaker 4: and like it happened so fast as well, Like I
Speaker 4: finished boarding school on the Friday, got drafted on the Saturday,
Speaker 4: moved to Adelaide on the Sunday, started on the Monday.
Speaker 4: This might be hard for you to imagine, but I
Speaker 4: was a pretty immature aheard, and they expected me to
Speaker 4: be this hyper professional and I just I was just
Speaker 4: growing up. Basically, I probably early days had a perception
Speaker 4: of being a bit of a fucking idiot, which is
Speaker 4: fair enough.
Speaker 2: You played alongside Adam Goods, and for everybody who knows
Speaker 2: AFL you would know who Goods he is. But for
Speaker 2: anybody who isn't aware, Goodsy is basically an AFL god.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, he was racially villified, and
Speaker 2: he ended up later on rejecting a place in the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame because of the racial abuse he experienced
Speaker 2: on field.
Speaker 1: What was that like for you?
Speaker 2: One playing alongside him, but also at a time where
Speaker 2: there was so much conversation around race, I got to.
Speaker 4: Play with him. I was at the game when the
Speaker 4: shit happened, and it was so fucked because you're, like,
Speaker 4: we've spoken about race a little bit. But it's like,
Speaker 4: this is fucking black Superman, right, and he's been racially
Speaker 4: vilified in his workplace. Right, He's gone to work copped
Speaker 4: racial abuse, he said something about it, and then we
Speaker 4: decide that he's the bad guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was gaslit. He was told well, no,
Speaker 1: you're not.
Speaker 4: By a country. It was really hard to watch. I'm
Speaker 4: lucky enough to have a relationship with Goodsy. Actually i'll
Speaker 4: show you something. So that's me as a kid with
Speaker 4: Goodsy signing something for him. Yeah, and then getting to
Speaker 4: play with him. My favorite memory ever was we were
Speaker 4: playing Friday night footy against the Hawks. I did something sick.
Speaker 4: I like got the ball half back, dodged someone hit
Speaker 4: this like fifty meter bullet pass to Goodsy on the lead,
Speaker 4: and I just remember it was like the only moment
Speaker 4: when I was playing for him that I really like
Speaker 4: soaked up. Because it was a Grand Final rematch, so
Speaker 4: there's like eighty thousand people at the g couldn't hear shit,
Speaker 4: and I just looked around. I was like a twelve
Speaker 4: year old me kind of knew that this was going
Speaker 4: to happen. At some point I would have lost my shit,
Speaker 4: you know. So yeah, you're fucking cool getting to play
Speaker 4: a goodsie. He's alleged even better person than he was
Speaker 4: a footballer when he was an amazing football.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you say that your twelve year old self,
Speaker 2: if they could see what you achieved at that time,
Speaker 2: that he would have lost his absolute mind, because I
Speaker 2: think sometimes when we get to that point where we've
Speaker 2: always dreamt of, the goalposts moved, and I hate I
Speaker 2: mean not to use that as pun, but what I
Speaker 2: mean is is that you can get to the place
Speaker 2: that you've always dreamt of, and then your ambitions have
Speaker 2: already moved forward, so you're not able to celebrate when
Speaker 2: you get there. But I guess also for footballers, and
Speaker 2: it's something that we hear from time to time, is
Speaker 2: that when you come to almost the end of your career,
Speaker 2: or in your case, maybe your career was shorter than
Speaker 2: what you had expected it to be, that there's this
Speaker 2: real identity shift, like who am I if I'm not
Speaker 2: the best footballer, if I'm not still a professional athlete.
Speaker 4: And I like, it's so regimented as well, so you're
Speaker 4: actually like living not a real life, not that what
Speaker 4: I'm doing now is reel. It's fucking weird too. But
Speaker 4: you're like told what to eat, you're prescribed your training,
Speaker 4: you're told where to be, you're given a diary that's
Speaker 4: filled for you. You almost like don't have autonomy, and
Speaker 4: that obviously regiments you. Is that the right word that
Speaker 4: programs you? And then you're told every decision you make
Speaker 4: needs to be about being the best footballer you can be,
Speaker 4: So do I eat that? Do I stay up and
Speaker 4: watch that movie? Do I do this to? Every decision
Speaker 4: you make should revolve around being the best sports person
Speaker 4: you can be. And then when you come out of it,
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people haven't tipped into the
Speaker 4: other parts of their life because you're so inherently competitive
Speaker 4: as well. You look around at all of your friends
Speaker 4: and you've gone from like being so elite and so
Speaker 4: pointy and at something, and then you come out with
Speaker 4: like heaps of soft skills, but quite often no degree,
Speaker 4: no tray, no work experience because you've been so focused
Speaker 4: on football. And then you look at your friends and
Speaker 4: if you're thirty odd, you know some of them are
Speaker 4: like I don't know, junior partners or they've started their
Speaker 4: own business, and you inherently are competitive, so you look
Speaker 4: around and you go, oh fuck, I'm like eighteen, I'm
Speaker 4: back at the State. So I think it hits a
Speaker 4: lot of people really hard, and they go from being
Speaker 4: the top dog, you know, So Ego takes a bruise,
Speaker 4: a big one. I think I was in a way
Speaker 4: lucky that I wasn't amazing, because I think I would
Speaker 4: have struggled with the transition even more.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you played professionally, but in your time,
Speaker 1: did you experience anything like Adam Goods did?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, fuck, it's so cooked to say,
Speaker 4: but I just like you see what happens like as
Speaker 4: soon as someone calls it out. And as I've gotten older,
Speaker 4: speaking like I'm seventy, as I'm mature, and particularly now
Speaker 4: I realize that I've got this platform when it happens
Speaker 4: to me, I call it not all the time, but
Speaker 4: sometimes because I'm like, this is a great opportunity to
Speaker 4: highlight that kind of no matter your perceived station in
Speaker 4: the world, whatever the world might be, racist, stunkive a.
Speaker 2: Fuck, you call it out in terms of your media career,
Speaker 2: and so the and I've heard you speak about this before,
Speaker 2: the backlash and the outrage and the racism is still there?
Speaker 1: How do you deal with that in your own personal life?
Speaker 4: What I do so like I don't have my social
Speaker 4: media apps on my phone. I log in via web
Speaker 4: browser to then post something and then I'll leave them behind.
Speaker 4: What I do when I go on to social media,
Speaker 4: for instance, it's kind of like, you know, you put
Speaker 4: the hard hat on, You've got the high vias, You're like,
Speaker 4: fuck all right, anything anything could pop up online or
Speaker 4: I don't look because I get smacked if I do,
Speaker 4: and that's not worth it. And then the second thing
Speaker 4: I think is like, well, why would you give air
Speaker 4: or gas to like voices that you wouldn't go and
Speaker 4: have a meal with, you know, Like I've got a
Speaker 4: relationship with some of these people who want to have
Speaker 4: a go at ya for whatever it is, So then
Speaker 4: why would I let their opinion affect me? Like if
Speaker 4: it's my best friend and my best friend goes mate, like,
Speaker 4: then I'll listen. But then it's just some racist bigot.
Speaker 4: They're a jerk, and that's on them.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I think you can get caught up in being
Speaker 2: trolled online. And what I mean by that is I
Speaker 2: mean we've both experienced it for very, very very different reasons.
Speaker 2: But I remember speaking to Tim Wall from Channel ten
Speaker 2: Publicity and he kind of gave me the best advice.
Speaker 2: He sort of said that if you were in real
Speaker 2: life and somebody called something out at you from across
Speaker 2: the street and called you horrible names, you'd cross the
Speaker 2: street and you look at that person and think that
Speaker 2: they were fucking crazy. But if someone does it in
Speaker 2: your DMS, if someone slides into your messages on social media,
Speaker 2: it hits so differently and we hold on to that
Speaker 2: in such a way that we wouldn't if someone did
Speaker 2: it in real life.
Speaker 4: Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I.
Speaker 2: Know that for me, it's what I've experienced that when
Speaker 2: somebody has said something hurtful on social media, it has
Speaker 2: hit me and hurt me so much more. It just
Speaker 2: has a very different way to it.
Speaker 4: Do you guys find that it's like really weird the
Speaker 4: ones that get you? You like why that one? Like?
Speaker 4: Why is that one got me feeling like shit?
Speaker 2: I think it's because for me, it hits me in
Speaker 2: a vulnerability that I hate that that person has perceived
Speaker 2: me to be somebody who I'm not, or that I
Speaker 2: don't think I am and I think that they've misunderstood me.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, it's not the place to go for nuance.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 4: It's not. And like, I think the other thing I
Speaker 4: try to think about as well is like, whenever I'm
Speaker 4: feeling like everyone hates me, I then remind myself that
Speaker 4: people aren't thinking about us, like and then I like
Speaker 4: get into myself. I'm like, how big is your fucking
Speaker 4: ego to think.
Speaker 1: Like anyone cares about you?
Speaker 4: Yeah? They like the three steps for me, get out
Speaker 4: of yourself, dickhead.
Speaker 1: You made a transition from being a professional athlete to
Speaker 1: a professional media personality. What was that transition like and
Speaker 1: how did the opportunity even come up?
Speaker 4: Honestly? Serendipity fucking walk down the street. So I was
Speaker 4: doing some work for a mentoring Condigenous mentoring organization, and
Speaker 4: I walked in. I was like looking up some kids
Speaker 4: and there was Chris Johnson, a former AFOL player won
Speaker 4: three premierships at the Brisbane Lines when they were unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Blackfellow as well. So I had a relationship with him.
Speaker 4: We knew who each other were. He was doing commentary
Speaker 4: for Indigenous Radio NRS, the AFL Indigenous broadcast which is
Speaker 4: like community radio, right, And he just on a whim goes, oh,
Speaker 4: would you like to maybe do some special comments? And
Speaker 4: I was like, why not? And he had that weekend,
Speaker 4: I walked into the box with a couple of fellows
Speaker 4: did some special comments. I was, oh, don't mind that.
Speaker 4: So I was getting paid like next to nothing to
Speaker 4: do this, and for about a year and a half,
Speaker 4: I'd do three games a week and practicing my broadcasting
Speaker 4: broadcast to a lot of people. But it wasn't Broadway.
Speaker 4: It wasn't even sort of one street back from Broadway.
Speaker 4: It was probably a bit further than that. And then yeah,
Speaker 4: Triple M got wind of it through Brian Taylor, so
Speaker 4: I'll forever be grateful to him. I walked into a
Speaker 4: meeting that I didn't realize was a job interview with
Speaker 4: a fellow called Lee Simon who started commentary or football
Speaker 4: broadcasting on FM radio. So he like, you know, jazzed
Speaker 4: it up, made it entertainment rather than the old ABC stuff.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that I was getting interviewed by him,
Speaker 4: and then I walked out, and basically two weekends later,
Speaker 4: I was doing special comments on Triple M. And then
Speaker 4: he goes, Tony, you didn't have the on field career
Speaker 4: to be special comments. You need to learn how to call,
Speaker 4: so do play by play stuff. So I taught myself
Speaker 4: how to do that through the help of other people,
Speaker 4: over and over and over again. I'd like to sit
Speaker 4: on the couch, turn the volume down and commentate to TV.
Speaker 4: They got good at it, good enough that Triple M
Speaker 4: would give me a crack, and then Yokye Footy came along.
Speaker 4: I had a chance to host that, and then ABC
Speaker 4: like slid into my DMS.
Speaker 1: So you got that, Tony.
Speaker 4: That was when I used Facebook three years ago maybe,
Speaker 4: and they said, hey, ba bah, I don't know if
Speaker 4: you've seen, but there's a job going at ABC. You
Speaker 4: think you'd be greatful it. I was like, because I
Speaker 4: don't have like LinkedIn, I don't know how to I
Speaker 4: don't know how to do all that shit. And then
Speaker 4: basically from there everything's kind of snowball. But yeah, it
Speaker 4: took like it was fairbit a grift has got into it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what are you up to now, Tony? Because
Speaker 1: I heard a whisper that you might be off to
Speaker 1: of all places, can't film festival.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm nipping off to Europe for a month, so
Speaker 4: that'll be nice. Yeah, I'm just going along to I
Speaker 4: watch a film. I'm like nervous. I get nervous, like
Speaker 4: in a room of people, so I can't imagine what
Speaker 4: it's going to be like. Like, I can't tell you
Speaker 4: how scared I was, and this is not comparing one
Speaker 4: to the other, but like walking the carpet at the Logis,
Speaker 4: I was shit scared of everything and everyone. I can't
Speaker 4: even imagine what this is going to be, like, I've
Speaker 4: got anxiety already.
Speaker 2: Do you think people realize when they're interviewing you that
Speaker 2: you get nervous or do you think that it just
Speaker 2: comes across as like being reserved and almost cool, calm
Speaker 2: and collected.
Speaker 4: Well, what's your perception.
Speaker 2: I would never have thought of you as being nervous,
Speaker 2: so that, to me, I mean, is surprising.
Speaker 1: I think you really actually exude like a calm, shy confidence,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's probably what's really endearing about you.
Speaker 1: I think that's why people love you, because whilst you're
Speaker 1: ridiculously popular and desired in the media, you don't really
Speaker 1: give a fuck and you don't really want to talk
Speaker 1: about yourself. And I think that really is why so
Speaker 1: many people are drawn to you.
Speaker 4: Ah, well, that's a massive compliment. I think I've gotten
Speaker 4: better at being able to do the interview shit and
Speaker 4: give of myself in an interview, but still like protect me,
Speaker 4: if that makes sense. I think when I'm with my friends,
Speaker 4: basically what everyone sees is me. I just try to
Speaker 4: value my privacy as much as I can. Here I
Speaker 4: am doing a w com interview. But you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, It's like because I want to be genuine, right,
Speaker 4: I don't want to be a charlatan or some fake
Speaker 4: version of myself. However, I want to protect my core.
Speaker 4: It's kind of funny not comparing myself to like nineties
Speaker 4: film stars or anything like that. But remember like back then,
Speaker 4: no one had access to these people.
Speaker 1: I was literally about to say, you're actually like Australia's
Speaker 1: version of Keanu Reeves. Take that really like popular great
Speaker 1: at what he does, but no one really knows anything
Speaker 1: about him. He just keeps to himself and his I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess he's a bit of an enigma
Speaker 1: that fucks off.
Speaker 4: Probably watching Kirby Your Enthusiasm, that'd be a good guess.
Speaker 4: And so like I think there's something really interesting in
Speaker 4: like scarcity. It's also not a strategy either. It's just
Speaker 4: I would feel quite uncomfortable if everyone knew fucking everything
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: You are speaking to the wrong people.
Speaker 4: No, no, but no like and everyone's different with that, right.
Speaker 2: I mean speaking about your privacy and look, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to drill into your private life too much, but.
Speaker 1: When was the last time you had sex?
Speaker 4: A couple of red hot questions right there?
Speaker 2: Okay, Know what I want to know is is what
Speaker 2: is it like when you are a media personality where
Speaker 2: you're trying to navigate dating and you're somebody who really
Speaker 2: likes to keep your life private, but people obviously have
Speaker 2: a public perception of who you are and you're one
Speaker 2: of Australia's most desirable men.
Speaker 4: It's tricky, of course, and it kind of has only
Speaker 4: gotten trickier. It's so funny. It's like I just I
Speaker 4: just don't get it either, Like why people are kind
Speaker 4: of like wanno like hang out or like hit me
Speaker 4: up and all that kind of stuff. Like it's always
Speaker 4: amusing to me.
Speaker 1: You don't get it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't get why people would see you
Speaker 2: on TV and think I would like to date that guy.
Speaker 7: It's always I love that I'm a fucking idiot, Like,
Speaker 7: got to be careful, got to be mindful that everyone's
Speaker 7: in it for the right reason, which.
Speaker 1: I feel like is definitely something you'd have to think
Speaker 1: about because I feel like you just literally took over
Speaker 1: our screens all of a sudden.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, do you know what I think? Just to
Speaker 4: sidebar quickly. I think it's because I started on News
Speaker 4: Breakfast in the middle of the pandemic, so people watched
Speaker 4: ABC News Breakfast in particular way more than they would
Speaker 4: have normally, and everyone was at home, so they got
Speaker 4: like seven years worth of normal watching in.
Speaker 1: Like ten months.
Speaker 4: So true, I'm just sorry I'm here again. Fucking here's
Speaker 4: some sport, not COVID.
Speaker 1: Well, you just take it on a new venture. You've
Speaker 1: got a new podcast called The Pool Room. Tell us
Speaker 1: about that, Like I feel like, what aren't you taking
Speaker 1: over right now? Tinder?
Speaker 4: Oh you just wait, you just wait. So The Poor
Speaker 4: Room's basically kind of like ten minute stories told by me,
Speaker 4: and they're kind of esoteric sporting tales that you probably
Speaker 4: haven't heard, but they're amazing. Like I was loving doing
Speaker 4: it because I was learning so much Like the first
Speaker 4: one's about a Japanese marathon runner that went missing in
Speaker 4: the Olympic Games in the marathon, like I was only
Speaker 4: found years later.
Speaker 1: Slow was he running to get lost in a marathon?
Speaker 1: Don't think you've got lost?
Speaker 4: Glacier Glacier, Or like Voodoo and the Soccer Rouse and
Speaker 4: how there was a curse over the soccer Rous done
Speaker 4: by like a shaman and they didn't qualify for the
Speaker 4: World Cup for like thirty three years, Like weird shit.
Speaker 4: That is great for Like, if you're in the uber
Speaker 4: on the way to the pub, and you want to
Speaker 4: rip a yarn to everyone, slap that podcast in, listen
Speaker 4: to it for ten minutes on your journey, and then
Speaker 4: you'll be holding court in not time.
Speaker 1: What happens though, when the podcast gets so popular that
Speaker 1: everyone's listening to it and someone turns up and he's
Speaker 1: like tries to drop a knowledge bomb, and everyone's like, mate,
Speaker 1: I know you just listen to that all the way in.
Speaker 4: That's kind of nirvana. I think, yeah, it's a fucking yes,
Speaker 4: I know. You make up a little bit of a
Speaker 4: tall tale, bit of a furfy and then someone who
Speaker 4: doesn't know that it's come from you tells it back
Speaker 4: to you. Yeah, boy, Like yeah, everyone loves that kind
Speaker 4: of shit because it's like, yeah, short sport, but it's
Speaker 4: human story is told through the prism.
Speaker 1: It's also sport that like someone like me who doesn't
Speaker 1: froth sport would also be interested in listening to because
Speaker 1: it's almost like they're coming to these mysteries of how
Speaker 1: who done it? Kind of a thing.
Speaker 2: Tony, thank you so much for coming and for doing
Speaker 2: the pod. You have been on our hit list for
Speaker 2: a very very long time.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry that it took me so long to come
Speaker 4: and have a yarn, but that was really fun.
Speaker 2: All Right, guys, it is time for our suck and
Speaker 2: our sweet, our highlight and our low light of each
Speaker 2: and every week.
Speaker 1: You can go first. I'm sure you've thought about it.
Speaker 1: Lasia eyebrows. I'm an eyelash. Yeah, Mysuki said, I'm hate myself.
Speaker 1: My suck is my suck for probably in all lot
Speaker 1: of sty this week, last week, this week, next week
Speaker 1: is probably gonna be my face because it is burning off.
Speaker 1: It is very painful and it's all I can think
Speaker 1: about all day because it's so it just hurts. But
Speaker 1: also I don't want to scare anyone off from doing this.
Speaker 1: It's not debilitating, it doesn't hurt enough that you can't
Speaker 1: get on with your day. It's just that it's a
Speaker 1: constant bit of a throb. So I don't want anyone
Speaker 1: to be like, I'm never doing that treatment. It is
Speaker 1: very manageable.
Speaker 2: Also, let's be real, it is so one fine in
Speaker 2: comparison to the alternate, which is having skin cancer. Like
Speaker 2: I would choose this rudely for a good three week
Speaker 2: period over the other the alternate option.
Speaker 1: My suite is I have booked some tickets up north
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks with my boyfriend. Band is coming.
Speaker 1: As you guys know, I'm very excited because he hasn't
Speaker 1: been here like I always go to him, and he's
Speaker 1: only been to Australia once when I met him, and
Speaker 1: that was on a football tour thing, so they were
Speaker 1: very strict with all they could do.
Speaker 2: The only thing that Ben saw at that time was
Speaker 2: the inside of brids bedroom, so like you know, he
Speaker 2: hasn't really seen Australia.
Speaker 1: Inside of Britain no, So I'm really excited to show
Speaker 1: him Australia. And it's funny. I woke up this morning
Speaker 1: and it's so funny because he's Swiss. I forget that
Speaker 1: foreigners think this. But he sent me a video this
Speaker 1: morning of some people playing football and kangaroos like playing
Speaker 1: football and bouncing around on like obviously an anomaly, obviously
Speaker 1: like a very rare occurrence for the kangaroos to be
Speaker 1: playing on the pitch. And I forget that foreigners think
Speaker 1: that stuff's normal. They think that you go walk down
Speaker 1: the street in Sydney and there are kangaroos hopping around.
Speaker 2: And I don't think people actually think people walked down
Speaker 2: to Sydney Street and that there's a bloody koala on
Speaker 2: the Center Point tower.
Speaker 1: No, I think they do because all that stuff goes viral,
Speaker 1: like one video goes viral, and they think it's normal.
Speaker 1: But I had to say to him, look like they're
Speaker 1: not everywhere, like we will see them, because I'm going
Speaker 1: to take him to my hometown of Port mcquarie, and
Speaker 1: they are everywhere there, like across from my house on
Speaker 1: the golf courses. Kangaroos are everywhere in put go down
Speaker 1: to Green Point, done stuff and they're literally everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm super ex that's my sweet and so I'm
Speaker 1: super excited. I'm literally counting down the days. I think
Speaker 1: it's three weeks.
Speaker 2: Well, I can't wait to actually meet him properly because
Speaker 2: I've only met Ben Club only in passing at BRIT's
Speaker 2: house when he was coming over for a booty call on.
Speaker 1: The first yeah, the first second booty call. We are, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I met him on a booty call.
Speaker 2: And now I can meet him as your booty boyfriend,
Speaker 2: and we can go to the club and and I'm
Speaker 2: going to be so experienced I'm going to burn a
Speaker 2: hole in that dance flo Anyway, Okay, my sunk for
Speaker 2: the week is that I am absolutely fucking wrecked. And
Speaker 2: I know that that is not very exciting to listen to.
Speaker 2: But when I tell you that the training schedule at
Speaker 2: the moment for dancing is like twenty five to twenty
Speaker 2: eight hours a week, that's just on top of my
Speaker 2: normal work.
Speaker 1: So I've still been doing radio full time job like that,
Speaker 1: thirty hours a week is a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been mental so that I've still been doing radio.
Speaker 2: I'm still doing podcasting. I haven't been into the Tony
Speaker 2: May offices as much, but my sister is being doing
Speaker 2: an absolute rockstar stellar job of like compensating for that
Speaker 2: sort of work. But it's been a huge undertaking to
Speaker 2: do this show. And I don't want to say that
Speaker 2: that's the suck because it sounds like I'm not enjoying it.
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely fucking loving it. I'm loving getting back into exercise,
Speaker 2: I'm loving dancing. But I am truly exhausted. I have
Speaker 2: found muscles in my body that I in my thirty
Speaker 2: seven years of life never even knew it existed. But
Speaker 2: I am looking forward to having abs in my forehead
Speaker 2: by the time this intuition.
Speaker 1: Do you think you'll stay on the fitness train after this?
Speaker 1: Like you feel like you've gone to a point where
Speaker 1: now yeah, because it's such hard work to start, so
Speaker 1: now you started.
Speaker 2: And I know we joke about it, but I mean
Speaker 2: I never really got back into fitness after having kids.
Speaker 2: I would do like little random bursts of it, but
Speaker 2: I never got back into any sort of consistent fitness.
Speaker 2: It's so nice to be exercising again and feeling like
Speaker 2: how invigorated you feel from that, and like how it feels. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So even though I'm exhausted, on the flip side of
Speaker 2: that is like I feel really.
Speaker 1: Good I don't know, it's a weird oxymoron. Anyway.
Speaker 2: My sweet for the week, though, is that it's all happening.
Speaker 2: My sweet for the week is that we've had costume rehearsals,
Speaker 2: that the show's been announced, that I can talk about
Speaker 2: it finally, and I don't know how to be like, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: I've got this really exciting announcement.
Speaker 3: But that's day two two.
Speaker 1: I'm an influencer and I'm announcing something really soon.
Speaker 2: So I'm just excited that I can talk about it
Speaker 2: because this has been this huge part of my life
Speaker 2: that I've been doing for the past four weeks or
Speaker 2: five weeks.
Speaker 1: Well, you better win because I put bets on sports
Speaker 1: bet have you? Yeah? I dropped teap someone. How much
Speaker 1: do I win?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: How much would you win? If I win? We're not
Speaker 1: paid much. I'm joking that I don't haven't even seen it.
Speaker 1: I would put bets on you.
Speaker 2: I would think that if there is a sports bet running,
Speaker 2: it would be considerable for me to win because it's
Speaker 2: quite an unlikely occurrence.
Speaker 1: There would one hundred sports but the sports bet on
Speaker 1: can you bet on yourself? Yeah? Queen? All right?
Speaker 2: On that note, Hey guys, I hope that you loved
Speaker 2: the episode. You can join in the discussion at Life
Speaker 2: on Cut discussion group. You can also join us on
Speaker 2: TikTok you know Instagram, all all the stuff.
Speaker 1: Talking some more dances of your dancers and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Life on Cut podcasts, We're going to be doing
Speaker 2: TikTok dancers because we're dancers.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not, but I will shake my booty behind
Speaker 1: you doing the drive. You'll be my backup dance.
Speaker 3: And that is it from us.
Speaker 1: You know the drill. Tell your mama, tell you down
Speaker 1: around your dog. And I can't say it if I
Speaker 1: don't say it, do you mom? Tell your dad? Tell
Speaker 1: you mamma, tell your dad to tell my friends, tell
Speaker 1: your dog and share the love to your mom, to
Speaker 1: your dad, to you? What is it to your mom?
Speaker 4: Tell your.
Speaker 1: Thanks? Case you, I've only said it five hundred times.
Speaker 1: To you, mum, te your dad, tell you dog, tell
Speaker 1: your friends and share a love because we love.
Speaker 2: Even that sounded weird to me. I was like, are
Speaker 2: you sure that's it? Don't you tell your dad, tell
Speaker 2: your dog, tell your friends? Why would you tell your
Speaker 2: dog before you tell your friends.
Speaker 1: We're not going to get the downloads from them? Are
Speaker 1: we Delilah listeners? Have you seen that picture of the
Speaker 1: headphones she protects me about. Tell your friends to fall
Speaker 1: work anyway, We're gonna go h