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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us, especially on Good Friday.

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Speaker 3: And people should listen to you because you have the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh thank you. Look I do. I think we

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Speaker 1: the body, because exercises are stress on the body. So

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Speaker 1: not all stresses are bad. We do need stress, but

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Speaker 1: if it's all full on intense.

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Speaker 2: Then that's going to be very stressful for the body.

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Speaker 1: And if then look at some of this, if they're

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Speaker 1: tired all the time, then I know they're not meeting

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Speaker 1: their needs for the amount of exercise that they're doing.

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Speaker 2: So it might be with athletes, we have to give.

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Speaker 1: Them a lot more nutrients because they're pushing the body

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Speaker 1: to do things that it's not.

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Speaker 2: Supposed to do. And so that would be the same

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Speaker 2: with someone that's doing too much.

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Speaker 1: We might go, well, either you have to back down

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Speaker 1: or change so some of the of the exercise is

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Speaker 1: not all so intense, or we have to meet with

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Speaker 1: higher nutritional needs to meet that. And sometimes and a

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Speaker 1: lot of times people aren't doing enough. There's that as well.

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Speaker 1: Walking only might not be enough. People might need to

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Speaker 1: do weight bearing stuff that becomes really important in perimenopause

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Speaker 1: and menopause because of the loss of hormones and those

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Speaker 1: that you know women of that age aren't always doing

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Speaker 1: weight bearing or never has, and so we have to

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Speaker 1: teach them to do that and how to do it.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, and what's your opinion of women being on

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Speaker 3: the pill, because I feel like maybe a lot of

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Speaker 3: women start it when they're in their teens and then

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Speaker 3: they're on it for such a long time and they

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Speaker 3: think it's fine. But are there some negative impacts that

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Speaker 3: the pill can have on women's health.

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Speaker 1: My thoughts of the pill are that I don't like

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Speaker 1: it basically.

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Speaker 2: For a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it goes against natural pathic and nutritional, well

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Speaker 1: not nutritional, but natural pathic, and the whole philosophy of

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Speaker 1: allowing the system to do what it needs to do.

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Speaker 2: We're supposed to get a period.

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Speaker 1: A lot of women go on the pill and they

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Speaker 1: make sure that they don't get their bleeds right, so

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Speaker 1: that's not very good. I think we are we're changing

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Speaker 1: the hormones. We definitely know, and I show women when

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Speaker 1: we do the testing that the pill, and we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the estrogen pills, so not the mini pill, but

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Speaker 1: the pill will increase quarterisole levels and it will increase copper,

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Speaker 1: and it will do that at different amounts for different women,

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Speaker 1: but nearly all women that I test have got quarterisole

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Speaker 1: levels that are off the charts, so they are much

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Speaker 1: higher than the reference ranges, and a lot of times

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Speaker 1: when because doctors don't often check quartersole, they can, but

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Speaker 1: they don't check it. It's not one of their usual

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Speaker 1: things that they test. And so they sometimes will email

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Speaker 1: me and say, this client needs to come in for

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Speaker 1: a urine cortisol because their cortisol is too high. And

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Speaker 1: years and years ago, I was speaking to an endocrinologist

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Speaker 1: who was the one that said to me, Maria, the

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Speaker 1: cortisole is high in women that take the pill. So

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Speaker 1: even though we know that that's the cause, the repercussions.

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Speaker 2: Of having cortisole that high are massive that can cause anxiety.

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Speaker 1: It the body believes it's in a stressful state all

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Speaker 1: the time because cortisole is our stress hormone, right, so

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Speaker 1: you know, lots of things happen. So you know, glucose

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Speaker 1: is released into the bloodstream because the body thinks it's stressed,

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Speaker 1: it's going to fight or flee, and it needs that

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Speaker 1: that glucose to do those jobs. And so if you're

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Speaker 1: on the pill for years and years and years, then

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Speaker 1: you want to be tracking these markers to see how

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Speaker 1: high this cortisole is. And it really, it really makes

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Speaker 1: a big impact. And it also the other part is

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Speaker 1: the copper, which is commonly and the lab results will

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Speaker 1: often say, you know that copper can be will be

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Speaker 1: elevated in someone taking the OCP, which is the pill.

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Speaker 2: So copper and zinc work together, so if copper goes

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Speaker 2: really high, it will displace zinc.

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Speaker 1: So and zinc is critical for our moods, Zinc's critical

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Speaker 1: for our immune system, and so we don't want that happening.

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Speaker 1: And so they're the things that we rectify. And when

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Speaker 1: women come and I tell you know.

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Speaker 2: I like to let women know these things, and.

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Speaker 1: Then we and then they decide what they want to do.

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Speaker 1: So if they go, no, it's too risky, I want

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Speaker 1: to stay on the pill. They might want it for

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Speaker 1: various you know, I respect that. And what we do

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Speaker 1: is we give higher amounts of zinc to compensate. We

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Speaker 1: give herbs that help the the adrenal glands. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: so we can do that, and then other women I

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Speaker 1: opt to go to the mini pill, and as soon

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Speaker 1: as they do that, we see cortisol copper normalize.

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Speaker 2: And then others decide, Okay, they're going to do something.

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Speaker 1: They're going to come off the pill because they don't

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Speaker 1: want the effects of that. So we can meet anyway

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Speaker 1: women want to go with it. I really respect what

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Speaker 1: people choose. That's their decision and mine's just to help

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Speaker 1: them in how to best navigate whichever choice they make

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Speaker 1: with that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't. I don't love it. The bottom line, Well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for the information, because I've never

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Speaker 3: heard those details at all, so I think it will

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Speaker 3: give our listeners a lot to think about. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much again for joining us on Good Friday. Will

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Speaker 3: you be having any chocolate over Easter?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so normally, you know, Loving Earth have got.

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Speaker 1: These nice little chocolate Easter eggs that they do that

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Speaker 1: are dairy free, gluten free of course, and so i'd normally, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll have some of those, but I do have a

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Speaker 1: little weakness every now and again, and my favorite is

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Speaker 1: the raspberry lint.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, so you know I'm not a purist yea.

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Speaker 3: Now, Maria, where can people find you if they want

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Speaker 3: to come in and have an appointment with you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Sure, so I can go to our website, which is

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Speaker 1: Naturalhealthmedicine dot com dot au, or they can call my

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Speaker 1: reception team on eight double three, triple two, seven to one.

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Speaker 3: Great and we'll put all those details, including your Instagram

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Speaker 3: handle and Facebook candle in our show notes, So I

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Speaker 3: definitely recommend everyone to go and check Maria out. Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much again, and we hope you have an

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Speaker 3: amazing Easter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you you too, Thank you too.

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Speaker 3: Pa Pa Pa pa pa pack