1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:01,240 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 2: The podcast is not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: Our names are Amy, Kate and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: but we often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 2: can get heated. Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: and issues facing women. 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 3: That is so fat Thank you. 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: Now, Kate, we just want to check in. Have you 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: got your sock over your microphone today? 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 4: Both smelly socks are in the wash. Thank god. I'm 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 4: so sorry for my microphone on Friday. Unfortunately, I seem 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 4: to have been steered in the wrong direction with Muma 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 4: Mia out loud saying that the socks really helped the 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 4: microphone because all it did was muffle my sound. So 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 4: I just want to put it out there. Amy and 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 4: Sove have their professional microphones that we usually use. However, 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 4: because of the lockdown, I had to use this sort 18 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 4: of crappy microphone that we've got as a bit of 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 4: a backup. So that's why I sound so shit today. 20 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 4: I'm coming to you via the phone. This is how 21 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 4: we normally interview influencers on our podcast or talent that 22 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 4: comes on. So I'm hoping it sounds better. 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: Look, I think it probably just sounds just as crap, 24 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: but at least you don't have a sock over your 25 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 2: microphone this time. How are you guys doing in lockdown though, 26 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: because I saw you guys last night for a quiz night, 27 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: but I haven't actually checked in to see what you 28 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: guys have been up to. Really, I am actually doing 29 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: a lot better than since we last spoke. I feel 30 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: like I've taken a bit of your positivity on board 31 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: K and we have been so lucky here in South 32 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: Australia because it looks like we will get out of 33 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: lockdown at the end of Tuesday, and obviously we feel 34 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: really fortunate to be in that position. So I think 35 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: that has helped with my mood a lot. But I 36 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: have really embraced the lockdown life. I baked on the weekend, 37 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: so I baked the Mars bar slice, which is apparently 38 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: this big TikTok craze. 39 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 4: I love how you say you baked it, but it's 40 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 4: literally you put it in the fridge. 41 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: It was actually delicious. 42 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: It's scary though, how quickly you can eat this thing 43 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: like it's so addictive. Well, I made Profederals because we 44 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: decided to do a bit of a cook off for 45 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: our outspoken Instagram account. I put up a real and 46 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: we need you guys to vote on whose recipe you 47 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: like the best. So so it's going to be putting 48 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: up the Mars bar slice and Kate, what are you 49 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: making for it? 50 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 4: Well, I haven't made it yet, but I'm going to 51 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 4: be doing my famous cinnamon scrolls. Now. I want to 52 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 4: point out that Amy is the videographer of the family, 53 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 4: so it's not based on the wow factor of the video. 54 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 4: It really should be based on the quality of the food. 55 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: I'm pretty ashamed to be sharing my video potentially Tonight's 56 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: on Sunday Night, because it just looks so amateur in 57 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: contrast to yours. I filmed it on my phone and 58 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: at the time I was like, yeah, I'm getting all 59 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: the angles. 60 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing, good job. 61 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: And then I said yours aim, and it's like this 62 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: professional production. Really, to be honest, I didn't even think 63 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: it was that good. I was kind of embarrassed by 64 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 2: how should it look? So I'm looking forward to it. 65 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: So can you send me through yours because I want 66 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: to have a lot. I haven't finished yet. I need 67 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: to do the voice over, but I'm kind of cringing 68 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: at that. Well. 69 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 4: In addition to all this baking that we have been doing, 70 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 4: we also held a quiz night on Saturday night, and 71 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 4: after getting all the after spending ages getting all the 72 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 4: technical stuff right, we finally did start at about ten 73 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 4: o'clock at night. But it was really fun because we 74 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 4: had a couple style question that was sort of like 75 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 4: how well do you know each other? 76 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: Now? 77 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 4: It was based on a Love Island quiz that was 78 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 4: quite similar, and I think a lot of the boys 79 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 4: were very nervous about this segment of the quiz. 80 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: What were some of the questions that surprised you that 81 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: each of the couples got wrong, because let's give some examples. 82 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: I think the first one was what is your partner's 83 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: favorite flavor of ice cream? It wasn't like Love Island, 84 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: where it's like, what's your partner's favorite sex position? 85 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: We didn't go that. It was a bit more tame. Sophie. 86 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: I think you had the answer of the night because 87 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: there was a question about what would your partner bring 88 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: if they got left on a deserted island. So Sophie 89 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: was responding about what she would bring, and she wrote 90 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: I'd bring her phone to get me off, and then 91 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: you said fake ten and something else, and everyone just 92 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: lost it at your wording of get to get me. 93 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: Can I just say I. 94 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: Was saying to get me off the island. But this also, 95 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: unfortunately came after this. Sorry, my comment, unfortunately was after 96 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: one of my friends said as a joke that their 97 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: boyfriend would bring Paorn to the island, so it sounded 98 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: like I was going on the same track. And I 99 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: have to clarify as well that faked han and makeup. 100 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: They were just a joke. 101 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: I wouldn't actually bring that if I was deserted on island. 102 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: The thing that was also awkward was I also said 103 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: that I'd bring my dog Archie, but I didn't say 104 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: that I would bring Brandon with me, and I was 105 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: on the top of his list of things to bring 106 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: to the deserted island, so I feel a bit bad 107 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 2: about that. 108 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 4: To be fair, though it said items, it didn't say 109 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 4: people you could bring. 110 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: Now, Amy, after seeing you and Dale interact on this quiz, 111 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: I'm super excited because in Lockdown you've actually recorded a 112 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: special couples edition, so we will be finding out more 113 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: about you and Dale. I mean, I don't know how 114 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: many people are interested, but apparently people have been called 115 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: for it. 116 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 117 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: Well it's going to go out on Wednesday. So if 118 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: you've already listened to it and said you had a 119 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: bit of a good laugh throughout the podcast, so I'm 120 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: excited to see what people have to say about it. 121 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: Dale's friends are already roasting him in a group chat. 122 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 2: Some of them sent in a few questions already, asking 123 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: what type of lover Dale is and all those kinds 124 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: of things which we will not be answered. What I 125 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: enjoyed in the podcast was his commitment to the puzzle 126 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: that he was making at the same time as recording 127 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: the podcast. You guys will get what we mean on 128 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 2: Wednesday when the episode is released, but I do hope 129 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: you guys enjoy that one. 130 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: If we do get good. 131 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: Downloads on it, Kate and I might have to try 132 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: and force Brandon and Reese to do one as well. 133 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 4: Reese has already said he's not being involved, So what 134 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 4: a spoilersport. 135 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 5: If you went to this protest or over support this protest. 136 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 5: I'm telling you right now we no longer friends. Please 137 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 5: let me know that you support them so I can. 138 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: Clean number on Saturday, well known Australian influencers joined the 139 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: freedom rallies across the nation. In typical influencers style, they 140 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: documented their involvement in the illegal activity and spurred others 141 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: on to do the same. Sophie, can you tell us 142 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: what went down on Saturday? 143 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 4: Well? 144 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: Dramatic scenes erupted in Sydney and Melbourne over the weekend 145 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: when thousands of anti lockdown protesters marched side by side 146 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: in their respective CBDs. Now, despite New South Wales recording 147 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: its highest number of daily infections since the outbreak, more 148 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: than three and a half thousand, mostly maskless Sydney siders 149 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: flooded the streets and it was very similar scenes in 150 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: Victoria with over one thousand people marching. Now, the New 151 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 2: South Wales Premier Gladys Beeragiquian said she was utterly disgusted 152 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: by the illegal protesters, whose selfish actions have compromised the 153 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: safety of the rest of the community. Now two men 154 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 2: were charged with animal cruelty over the weekend, and an 155 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: image of the incident that went viral on social media 156 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: shows one man punching a horse in the jaw as 157 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: police officers rode through the crowd. Now in total. In Sydney, 158 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: ninety personal infringement notices were issued and fifty seven people 159 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: were charged, but that number is expected to rise in 160 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: the coming days. It was very similar in Victorious seventy 161 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: four protesters were processed, with sixty seven of those to 162 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: be issued with penalty notices for failing to comply with 163 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: the lockdown's five kilometer radius rule. Police also issued six 164 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: penalties for people who were not wearing face masks, while 165 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: a smaller number of penalties were issued for other alleged offenses, 166 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: and four people were also charged and bailed for offenses 167 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: such as assaulting an emergency worker and also drug possession. 168 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 4: It was just absolutely disgusting scenes coming out of New 169 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 4: South Wales and Victoria. I for one, was ashamed to 170 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 4: be an Australian and I was very confused by what 171 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 4: these people were actually protesting for, Sophy. Can you explain 172 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 4: what the protests were all about. 173 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: Well, the protests were part of the Worldwide Freedom Rally, 174 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: and basically people were protesting against the preservation of freedom. 175 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: So they say they're fighting against mandatory vaccinations, lockdowns, vaccine 176 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: passports and also mandatory masks. What I found really disturbing 177 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: were their comments on mass so they say that their 178 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: bodies are being violated by wearing masks because they're restricting 179 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: the ability for them to breathe and speak freely. 180 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: They also say that. 181 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: The restrictions have damaged their lives more so than the 182 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: virus has. So that is essentially what they were protesting for. 183 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 4: It's safe to say these people are COVID conspiracists who 184 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 4: do not believe in COVID nineteen. They believe it is 185 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 4: a scamdemic, and it's not like they were out there 186 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 4: rallying for more job Keeper or more vaccinations. It was 187 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 4: the complete opposite. These people are out there saying that 188 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 4: COVID does not exist and they do not want to 189 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 4: abide by the laws. They are very much anti vaxx, 190 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 4: anti mask, and anti lockdown. 191 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 2: I think it's also important to point out that since 192 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 2: the protest has gone on, many people are kind of 193 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: hiding behind the facts suggesting that these people were rallying 194 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: for changes in job Keeper and the insufficient vaccinations. That's 195 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: not what they were protesting for. They were protesting against 196 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: their own lack of freedoms as they saw. 197 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 4: It, exactly right. There is no defense for these protests 198 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 4: that were held and some people are saying, well, how 199 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 4: come it was okay for people to hold the Black 200 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 4: Lives Matter tests last year during the pandemic, and it 201 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 4: was such a different situation. Firstly, most of the states 202 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 4: were not in the severe lockdown that they are now. Secondly, 203 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 4: people were wearing masks, and thirdly they were socially distanced. 204 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 4: This was a protest that actually was about important change. 205 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: This freedom rally was a load of shit. 206 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: And the ridiculous thing is the actions of these people 207 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: is now going to push Melbourne and Sydney into further lockdowns. 208 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: So they've actually just done the reverse of what they've 209 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: wanted to achieve by doing the protests in the first place. 210 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 2: And that's the thing. As we're talking about protests as 211 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: a whole. Of course, they play an important role in 212 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: giving boys to people and issues and also holding institutions 213 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 2: to account. But in saying that these people could have 214 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: protested safely online and put their views across online, however 215 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: incorrect they clearly are. But by taking it to the streets, 216 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: all they are doing, as you say, Amy, is extending 217 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: this lockdown and losing exactly what they're supposedly rallying for. Yeah, 218 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: and how many of the people that were out there, 219 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: do you think were just sort of got in the 220 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: mob mentality? 221 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 4: Definitely, I think there was a lot about that. And 222 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 4: I'm failing to see what the purpose of these protests 223 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 4: were because all they have done is set back the 224 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 4: States in lockdown. I mean, sadly, a woman in her 225 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 4: thirties in New South Wales with no pre existing medical 226 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 4: issues died from COVID this week and people still think 227 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 4: that it's a scamdemic. It actually makes my blood boyle 228 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 4: thinking about it and seeing all those people out on 229 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 4: the streets making the situation way worse than it already is. 230 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: Well Disappointingly, many Australian influencers actually use their platforms to 231 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: promote these protests. 232 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: Kate, who were. 233 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 4: Some of the main offenders, well, unsurprisingly Chloe Zepp was 234 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 4: one of the offenders. Now while she wasn't physically at 235 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 4: the protests, she was very much pushing them. But it 236 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 4: was quite confusing because I felt like she was sitting 237 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 4: on the fence a little bit. Last week she's come 238 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 4: out and said, you know, she is a COVID conspiracist 239 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 4: and she is anti lockdown. But I'm guessing the reaction 240 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 4: from her followers wasn't good because this time she was 241 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 4: a little bit coy about it. So she put a 242 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 4: question box up on her Instagram and wrote, what's everyone's 243 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 4: thoughts on the rallying today? She then shared a screenshop 244 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 4: are some of the answers with the caption answers Now, 245 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 4: there are a mixture of good and bad responses, and 246 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 4: she didn't elaborate what she actually thought on her on 247 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 4: Saturday night. However, I think since seeing the feedback on 248 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 4: social media, she decided to kind of dip her toe 249 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 4: in the water and share a little bit more about 250 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 4: what she thinks. She then shared a screenshot of an 251 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 4: astrology quote and wrote full moon in Aquarius Aquarius is 252 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 4: all about freedom, which explains people rallying today the age 253 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 4: of Aquarius. So it seems she is somewhat sharing her opinion. 254 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 4: I mean, we all know where she sits on this. 255 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 4: But then on Sunday, she's obviously gone and seen everyone's 256 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 4: reactions across social media on Saturday night, and again she's 257 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 4: decided to remove herself a little bit from the situation 258 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 4: and sit on the fence. She said, I'm not picking 259 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 4: a side because that causes separation. I'm trying to understand 260 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 4: both sides. I've had a long, hard think about all sides. 261 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 4: What I've come to the conclusion is we are not 262 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 4: a drop in the ocean. We are an ocean in 263 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 4: a drop. That way I see it is we're all 264 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 4: wanting the same thing. Every person wants freedom in one 265 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 4: way or another. The people upset at those standing for 266 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 4: freedom want freedom too, and the people rallying want freedom. 267 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 4: Even though we all know where she stands on it, it 268 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 4: seems like she is trying to backtrack now to save 269 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: her own personal brand. This potentially could be because I 270 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 4: don't think ZEP has done as well as it has previously. 271 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 4: She had a big sale on last week and she's 272 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 4: still got stock available on her website. That usually doesn't happen. 273 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: I know you're saying here that Chloe is somewhat sitting 274 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: on the fence, But in my opinion, for someone not 275 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 2: to condemn the protesters says enough about where they lay 276 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: in this situation. 277 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: For her to say, we. 278 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: All want the same thing in the end, which is 279 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: of course freedom, in my opinion, that's somewhat showing her 280 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: support for what they're doing. Of course it is if 281 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: she is somewhat backtracking now, and it is an indication 282 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: that she is rethinking things and analyzing things from. 283 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: Other people's perspectives. 284 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: It would have actually been really powerful if she had 285 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 2: spoken out against it. Maybe she would have redeemed herself 286 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: in the public's eye. 287 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 4: I don't think she can come out and now say, oh, 288 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 4: actually I didn't mean what I said. 289 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: You could say you've got it wrong. I don't think 290 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: she I don't think she was really backtracking at all. 291 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: I felt like she was more sort of clarifying her 292 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: standpoint that she believes that everybody wants freedom. 293 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 4: She was clearly sitting on the fence over it because 294 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 4: it has damaged. 295 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: Her personal backtracking well. 296 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 4: Another influencer and businesswoman who publicly sided with the protest 297 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 4: was Mia Plastic. Now, she is the owner of slick Stick, 298 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 4: and you may have seen this product in your social 299 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 4: media feed. I think it was a couple of months 300 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 4: ago when literally every big name influencer was using it. 301 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 4: Looks like a mascara brush to slick back your hair. 302 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 4: Have you guys seen this floating around? 303 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen Chloe Zep using it and spooking it. 304 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of influencers that have been aligned 305 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 4: to this brand, so, as you said, Chloe zeb as 306 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 4: well as Los Curtis, Sophie, Kasia, Tally Smythe, and Kira Maguire. Now, interestingly, 307 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 4: Mia is friends with Sophie, Kasha and Kira Maguire. So 308 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: obviously I'm not saying that they hold these beliefs, but 309 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 4: it is interesting that there is a friendship there. Now, 310 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 4: Mia was at the rally and she showed vision of 311 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 4: all the people there with the caption for your freedom. 312 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: She also then wrote another caption that said what the 313 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 4: media won't show you thirty thousand plass Victorians protesting for 314 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 4: rights for freedom. Now I find that quite ironic because Sophy, 315 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 4: as you said, the official stat from the news was 316 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 4: that a thousand people in Victoria were protesting, so I'm 317 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 4: not sure where she got the thirty thousand from. Now, 318 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 4: another influencer who did not attend the protest, but what 319 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 4: was supportive of them online was model Aaron Jane. So 320 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 4: she was actually recovering from surgery and this is what 321 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: she said about the rallies. 322 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 6: I'm so proud of everyone who is protesting. It's making 323 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 6: me so happy. I wish that I could be there 324 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 6: with you. Obviously, I'm bedridden, so I'm not able to, 325 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 6: but I feel so happy and I have so much 326 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 6: hope seeing you guys all there, So fuck yes, Go Australia. 327 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of these influencers who are 328 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: putting their opinion out on social media are those who 329 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: did not attend the protests and they're happy to put 330 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: their opinion out there because they know that they're not 331 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: going to cop any sort of fine. I just think 332 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: her reaction was completely disgusting, and I also hated the 333 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: rhetoric of her living very goussie go Ossie, this is 334 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: the most UnAustralian thing that you can bloody do. 335 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it made me feel sick because some of the 336 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 4: vision at the rallies, people were singing the national anthem 337 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 4: and then chanting Ozzy Ossy Ossie oio and I'm like, 338 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 4: this is so un Australian now, So if you touched 339 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 4: on that. A lot of influencers who didn't attend were 340 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 4: supporting this rally. However, one influencer who was definitely there 341 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 4: was Taylor Winterstein, and she is no stranger to the 342 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 4: anti vax community. She has been pushing anti VAX's rhetoric 343 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 4: for a long time now now. On Friday, on her 344 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 4: Instagram feed, she advised her followers to check her Instagram 345 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 4: stories from some tips for tomorrow's rally, so she was 346 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 4: already pushing people to attend this rally. She then on 347 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 4: Saturday shared a twenty four minute video at the rally. 348 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 4: So she went live on Instagram at the rally. Then 349 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: on the way home, she shared a five minute video 350 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 4: of her and her husband in the Now. I found 351 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 4: their conversation very interesting because they were talking about how 352 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 4: safe and happy and healthy and healthy they felt and 353 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 4: peaceful after they'd been to the rally. Taylor claimed that 354 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 4: ninety percent of the crowd were peaceful, but it ended badly. 355 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 4: Now this is what she had to say. 356 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 7: We are feeling like super, super freakin inspired by everyone 357 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 7: who was out there today. I know it might be 358 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 7: getting ugly and messy now, but that's not how the 359 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 7: day went. That that was not the vibe of the day. 360 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: That's not how a lot of us experienced the rally. 361 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: It was peaceful, it was happy. 362 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 7: People were singing, people were dancing, people were having fun. 363 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 7: Like go and watch my lives and you'll see that's 364 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 7: the true story. Of how today went, not how the 365 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 7: day finished. The day finished pretty ugly, pretty bad, which 366 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 7: we knew was going to happen, which is why we 367 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 7: chose to leave the situation at that time, because we're 368 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 7: not about to get into bloody all in rols with 369 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 7: the police. Police need us to refuse and resist, so 370 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 7: we incriminate ourselves and they can arrest us. So if 371 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 7: you don't know how to speak to the police, or 372 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 7: you don't actually know what's going on and you are 373 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 7: hot headed, which a lot of people. 374 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: Are, and that's all good. 375 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 7: We're all being there, not saying it's bad, but I'm 376 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 7: saying you're gonna get You're gonna find yourself in either 377 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 7: handcuffs or at the police station. So for us, we 378 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 7: don't really want to move like that. If it's necessary 379 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 7: and it happens, it happens, but yeah, no, we want 380 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 7: to finish our day off on a good goat. 381 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 4: Find it very interesting that she said that she knew 382 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 4: it was going to end badly. However, she pushed vulnerable 383 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 4: people on her Instagram story to attend this rally. She did, 384 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 4: I mean, I just think that is so unethical. 385 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: It is unethical. It is unethical as well, especially when 386 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 2: she's telling all of her followers to go along. Not 387 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: only was it not only did it turn into a 388 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: dangerous rally in terms of the violence, but also what 389 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: about the risk of actually catching COVID amongst all of 390 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: those people without marks. 391 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 4: These people don't believe in COVID, so they don't think 392 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 4: they're a threat. Now. Fortunately, on Sunday, Taylor had some 393 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 4: police officers turn up to her property. Now, she filmed 394 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 4: these detectives and they were trying to serve her with 395 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 4: an infringement notice. However, this is what she said to them. 396 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 8: Can I have some evidence that you are actually a 397 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 8: police officer? And also why a you're trespassing in my 398 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 8: private property? 399 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 4: Yeah? 400 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 5: You are? 401 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 8: Wat dad, dad, dad, Just hang on for a second. 402 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 8: We need to see actual evidence, not a badge, that 403 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 8: you are a detective. Can I please have actually have 404 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 8: a look, proper proper look. Yep, and I've got this 405 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 8: camera on too, and that's fine to give you this one. 406 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 4: Okay, that's fine, that's fine. 407 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 8: But where do you have grounds to trespass on a 408 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 8: private property? How do you have Can I ask you first, 409 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 8: how do you have grounds with trespass and. 410 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 4: A private we've yes, I would thank you. 411 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 8: That's fine, send in the mail. Thank you. 412 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 4: My blood was boiling watching this video. I just cannot 413 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 4: stand the way she spoke to the police. I'm very 414 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 4: excited that she is getting infringement notices for her involvement 415 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 4: in the rallies. 416 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: It is good to see. 417 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I felt so sorry for the police who 418 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 2: were at the protest having to deal with all of 419 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 2: those people. I mean, they're putting themselves in danger's way. Also, 420 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: I did feel for the journalists who had to be 421 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 2: there as well reporting on the events, because a lot 422 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 2: of people were extremely aggressive to the journalists who were 423 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 2: just out there doing their jobs. They were extremely condescending 424 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: and also aggressive to a number of young female. 425 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: Reporters as well. 426 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: So I'm so glad, as you said, that some of 427 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: these people are actually getting their connuppance and they're getting 428 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: some infringement orders sent out to them. 429 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: And how stupid do these people have to be to 430 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 4: document all across their social media channels and then don't 431 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 4: think it's going to come back to bite them on 432 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 4: the ass. Now, another influencer who did not surprised me 433 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 4: that she was at this rally was Leela Steed Now. 434 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 4: She is a mummy vogga that has thirty seven thousand followers. 435 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 4: She is very anti backed herself, and she posted both 436 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 4: on her feed and on her Instagram story. So on 437 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 4: her feed, she shared people's signs at the protest with 438 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 4: messages including fuck COVID, we want our freedom, hashtag scamdemic, 439 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 4: hashtag control, fuck your vats, masks, the muzzles. I fear 440 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 4: government more than COVID nineteen. We are not lab rats 441 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 4: for your experimental poisoned jab. She also shared a sign 442 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 4: with Anastasia Palichet wearing a Hitler mustache. They're on a story. 443 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 4: Leela went on to promote the event details and asked 444 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 4: her followers to send in their photos and footage. This 445 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 4: is what she said before the event. 446 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 3: And I just wanted to do a quick story before 447 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 3: I get ready for the protest today, just to say 448 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: to you guys that if you were one of the 449 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 3: people that has been agreeing with my message, if you're 450 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: one of the people that is like I'm right there 451 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 3: with you, I stand with you. It's really important today 452 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: that if if you are near one of the protest locations, 453 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 3: that you take some time out of your day to 454 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 3: show up. Numbers are really important. It's one thing to 455 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 3: speak about it online and share your support online. It's 456 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 3: another thing to really show them our numbers, to show 457 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: how many of this there are. That we aren't alone. 458 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 3: So I really urge you guys today to stand up, 459 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 3: to make noise, to take time out of your day 460 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: to get to one of those locations listed, to really 461 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 3: spread your message, to really speak out, to get fucking angry, 462 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 3: to stand up for everything that we have been saying online, 463 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 3: everything that we've been sharing, everything that we have been 464 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 3: speaking out. It's time to actually use that voice today 465 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 3: to show them in person who we are, what our 466 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 3: fucking message is, and that we're not standing for this 467 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: shit anymore. 468 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 4: So as we're basically pushing people to show up as numbers. 469 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: That's the thing you look at social media and has 470 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 2: been such a powerful tool in educating people on the 471 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: pandemic and making sure that important health announcements are out there, 472 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 2: you know, for example, the. 473 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: Daily COVID updates. 474 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: But as you're saying, Amy, it can also be used 475 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: in an incredibly dangerous way when left in the wrong hands. 476 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: Were not surprisingly, Haley Vernon from mass shared a photo 477 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: of the protest with a caption saying that proud was 478 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 2: an understatement. We also saw singer Emani sticking up for 479 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: the guy who punched the police horse. I mean, what 480 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 2: the hell, who could ever ever not condemn that kind 481 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: of behavior. 482 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 4: Well, there was some contention online whether the guy punched 483 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 4: him or pushed him away. It's like, okay, it looked 484 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 4: like he didn't full force punching, but there was no 485 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 4: excuse for wrangling with a police horse. It was clear 486 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 4: he was trying to aggravate the horse. He connected with 487 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 4: the horse. I'm sorry, you're a dickhead and you deserve 488 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 4: to go to jail now. 489 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 2: They have actually been some influencers who have been doing 490 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: the right thing, and one of those influences is Abby Chatfield. 491 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: On Saturday night, she posted some amazing Insta stories condemning 492 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 2: the protest. Let's have a listen to what she had 493 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 2: to say. 494 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 5: Because when the protest today, what did you think you 495 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 5: were going to achieve? Because when sure, if you realize 496 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 5: that protests throught actually about trying to make the government 497 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 5: do something that they don't want to do, like getting 498 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 5: rid of Australia Day. 499 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 4: Not this. 500 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 5: They want us out of lockdown, because they want the 501 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 5: economy to go back to normal. The issue is they 502 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 5: can't because of dickheads like you. Actually, each and every 503 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 5: one of you got to find today, and if you didn't, 504 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 5: I sincerely hope something awful happens to you. We're going 505 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 5: to be in lockdown until October. Also, if anyone that 506 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 5: I know thom friends went to the protest, I like 507 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 5: to announce we're no longer friends, and I hope you 508 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 5: all can do the same. Genuinely, I'm not trying to 509 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 5: be funny cut off fucking friends. They did this. They've 510 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 5: no empathy, they have no intelligence, and they're a bad person. 511 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 4: I absolutely loved listening to this. I think Abby is 512 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 4: speaking what most people are thinking when they're looking at 513 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 4: this kind of bullshit on their Instagram feed. I really 514 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 4: enjoyed this other grab from Abby, like, you. 515 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 9: Don't realize right that all that protest is going to 516 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 9: do is make restrictions stricter. But godet more cases and 517 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 9: there will be even tougher restrictions for knocker. It just 518 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 9: proves to me that anyone who is anti Back's, anti mask, 519 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 9: anti lockdown is genuinely on the lower end of the 520 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 9: bell curve. When it comes to intelligence, I can't. 521 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more with what Abby had to say. 522 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: I also saw Tully Smythe, Laura Henshaw, and Steph Claire 523 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 2: Smith all condemning the protest. Clementine Ford has also been 524 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,239 Speaker 2: incredibly vocal on the protests, condemning them. This is what 525 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 2: she had to say. 526 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 10: This is just a general PSA to say that anyone 527 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 10: who attended an anti lockdown protest today in Sydney or 528 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 10: Melbourne or wherever the fuck else people are being ignorant 529 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 10: enough to do such things. 530 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 4: You're all massive fucking dickheads. God I love her. She 531 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 4: never disappoints her Instagram as one of my favorite accounts 532 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 4: to follow. I feel like the pandemic is this real 533 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 4: big moment in the influencer space, and what we expect 534 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 4: from influencers is changing so much. We want people to 535 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 4: stand for social justice, we want people to influence people 536 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 4: in a good way. And clearly there are a lot 537 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 4: of influencers who are not commenting on this because they 538 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 4: do not want the backlash from the anti vaxx community. 539 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 4: And I understand that we have been copying messages from 540 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 4: the anti vax community, but there's got to be a 541 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 4: point when you stand up for what you believe in. 542 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 4: And this is the time that our Australian influencers need 543 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 4: to come out and stand up for what is right. 544 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: And when they are silent, you just assume that maybe 545 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: they are anti lockdown or they are anti vacs. But 546 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: what do you guys think of social media consumers? What 547 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: can we actually do? What power do we actually have 548 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: in this instance? I think so many people are feeling 549 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 2: so helpless at the moment, particularly those who are in 550 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: lockdown and are doing the right thing. It is good 551 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: to remember that we do have the power to actually 552 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: report these protesters. So the New Southwest Police has established 553 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: a strike force which will see twenty two detectives work 554 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 2: to identify and charge all of the protesters involved. So 555 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: the public is being urged to contact crime stoppers with 556 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: any information they have. So police are urging people to 557 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 2: send in any social media coverage they've seen, which will 558 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 2: help identify those people who attended the rally. And I 559 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 2: love the fact that social media is coming into play 560 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 2: in this because there are so many people who have 561 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 2: proudly put their faces to online and let's now see 562 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: them face the repercussions of their actions. 563 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 4: It's so ironic that this is how they're going to 564 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 4: get in trouble, Like it's funny to see some of 565 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 4: the influencers backtrack and quickly delete their posts, like, hang on, 566 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 4: do you understand that there are so many groups out 567 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 4: there where people have screen recorded your bullshit? 568 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: Well, not only are the police using social media posts, 569 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 2: they're also trooling through plenty of CCTV visions. So I'm 570 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 2: really hoping if we do have any anti lockdown, anti 571 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: VAX's listening, I hope that they're a little bit worried 572 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 2: about their actions on the weekend. 573 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 4: One simple thing people can do is unfollow these influencers 574 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 4: because the only reason they have power is through their followers. 575 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 4: And if brands see their followers dwindling and people jumping 576 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 4: off their bandwagon, then they are not going to get 577 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 4: brand deals and they are not going to be able 578 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 4: to support themselves, so they will not be able to 579 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 4: be influencers. Now, I'm not saying that we want these 580 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 4: people to be poor and have no money, but I 581 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 4: think that it's important that we only give people platforms 582 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 4: that deserve them, and a lot of these influencers have 583 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 4: proven that they do not deserve the platform that they 584 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 4: have been given. 585 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: Well, in the past, we have discussed the concept of 586 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 2: hate following and how many people enjoy following influencers that 587 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: they disagree with and kind of enjoy rolling their eyes 588 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 2: at and I'm definitely guilty of this one. However, I 589 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 2: feel at the moment, in the stage we are in 590 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: the world, at the moment, it is so important, as 591 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,479 Speaker 2: you said, Kate, to be unfollowing people who are spreading 592 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: this medical misinformation. But then at the same time, it's 593 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: really difficult because playing Devil's advocate, if we're not viewing 594 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 2: these people's pages, how do we then hold them to account? 595 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 2: How do we then shoot down what they're saying. 596 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 4: Well, I, for one, still follow someone like Chloe's atte 597 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 4: because I want to keep abreast of what she's saying 598 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 4: personally for this podcast. But again, it you do feel 599 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 4: like you're able to find out what's going on in 600 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 4: these communities and know the dangerous messages people are trying 601 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 4: to push, and then try and counter act that bad messaging. 602 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 4: I suppose one way people can do this though, is 603 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 4: unfollow and then if they want to check in, they 604 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 4: can check in with that influencer and they're not giving 605 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 4: them an extra number to their tally. 606 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: Kay, I hate to break it to you, but I 607 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: actually unfollowed Chloe's that from our Outspoken podcast name, and 608 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: I officially unfollowed her as well this morning because I 609 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: cannot stand being a part of giving this woman a platform. 610 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 4: Well, I'm thinking of actually creating a fake well fits 611 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 4: the account, and then just following all the influences that 612 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 4: I need to for this podcast and then ringing my 613 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 4: personal feed of them, because I feel like it's important. 614 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: Week you're still giving them a follow. 615 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 4: How we meant to keep up with what they're doing 616 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 4: in order to discuss it on this podcast, so. 617 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: You can check in and check out. Just don't give 618 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: them the follow. Don't give them that extra number, because 619 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: it is crazy how much influence they do have, and 620 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 2: if every one just unfollowed them suddenly, they wouldn't hold 621 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 2: such a great power that they do at the moment. Well, 622 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: just lastly, k, I would love to hear your views 623 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: on the Betuda Advocates reporting of the pro freedom rallies. So, 624 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 2: for those who don't know, the Betuta Advocate is an 625 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: Australian satirical news website and it's come under fire for 626 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: releasing a number of allegedly pro freedom rally articles. Abby 627 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 2: Chatfield called out the publication on her Instace stories after 628 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: one of its writers released an article with the headline 629 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: stupid bogans to blame for yesterday, not lack of job 630 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: keeper or insufficient supply of jobs. Let's have a listen 631 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 2: to what Abby Chatfield had to say, because she summarized 632 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: it really well. 633 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 5: We've had two articles in the past two days about it. 634 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 5: None of them are condemning the protests, just saying things like, well, 635 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 5: maybe the government should have given out job keep up, 636 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 5: which absolutely you should have. But those protests weren't about 637 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 5: job keeper and weren't about helping small businesses. There were 638 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,959 Speaker 5: a tantrum in the middle of the city getting together 639 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 5: to try to what end lockdown by force. 640 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 4: Normally, I think the BETUTA advocate really hit the nail 641 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,719 Speaker 4: on the head and seem to get it right. However, 642 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 4: in this instance they are way off. As we spoke 643 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 4: about at the start of this topic, these protesters, we're 644 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 4: not rallying for more COVID jabs and or more jobs 645 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 4: keep it. They were rallying because they do not believe 646 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 4: in COVID they are COVID conspiracies, they are anti lockdown, 647 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 4: they're anti backs, and their anti mask. So I really 648 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 4: don't know why the BTUITA advocate is pushing this agenda 649 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 4: at all. It's very confusing. 650 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 11: If you've got any negative feedback, We've actually set up 651 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 11: an email address, so you just type in fuck off 652 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 11: at idntcare dot com. You'll actually find phenomenal service. Okay, 653 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 11: I'll just be a return. This email doesn't exist, Okay. 654 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 11: What it should say is this is a comment that 655 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 11: no one cares for nor cares about, so please don't 656 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 11: bother yourself. Okay. 657 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: Now, lately, Sammy Robinson's love life has been put under 658 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 2: the microscope, and now new roomors are circulating that she 659 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: in fact has a new boyfriend. Now we've had intel 660 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 2: from numerous listeners saying that Sammy is now dating twenty 661 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: two year old Jordan Simmy. Now he is an amateur 662 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: rugby player for the Cronella Sharks, and I've done a 663 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: little bit of digging just to make sure that this 664 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: new guy is good enough for our Sammy. So he 665 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 2: is the manager of sales at True Alliance, which is 666 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 2: a clothing distributor. So I mean I feel like already 667 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 2: they've got a lot in common. He also recently broke 668 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 2: his leg in April playing for the Sharks, he which 669 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a bit of a fun fact there. 670 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 2: It doesn't really delve too much into what sort of 671 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: person he is now. Jordan also hosts two podcasts. One 672 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: is called Jordan's Room, where he sits down with friends 673 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 2: and guests to speak about sex, dating, DMS and relationships. 674 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 2: So I might have to go back and have a 675 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: listen to see if he's dropped any hints about Sammy. 676 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: His second show is called Grouse and he basically has 677 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 2: a few reds and describes how his weeks been, so 678 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: it's more of a kind of a casual debrief show. 679 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 4: Again, he might be dropping some hints about Sammy. 680 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: Definitely. What I found super interesting about Jordan though he 681 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 2: is he actually dated Neighbours star Bonnie Anderson. So they 682 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: started dating in August twenty nineteen and they dated for 683 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 2: around a year. So they were so serious that on 684 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: her twenty fifth birthday he surprised her by moving from 685 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: Sydney to Melbourne. Now, this relationship, as I said, only 686 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 2: lasted a year, and that was during lockdown, so I 687 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: feel like lots of lockdown situations really a kind of 688 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: a bit of a test on a relationship. Well, I 689 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: feel like things get super serious in a lockdown situation 690 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 2: because you either have to decide whether you're going to 691 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 2: move in with someone, which it seems like he did. 692 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure he probably wasn't very happy making the move 693 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 2: from Sydney to Melbourne last year, particularly with their very 694 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 2: long lockdown. Now, how do we feel about this new guy? 695 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: It only seems like she split from Nick, you know, 696 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: a couple of months ago. Well, if Sammy's happy, I'm 697 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 2: happy at the end of the day. And he sounds 698 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 2: like quite a nice guy. He sounds quite different to Nick. 699 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 4: How is he different to Nick because they were both 700 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 4: amateur athletes, So Nick was into rowing and this guy's 701 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 4: into NRL rugby. 702 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: Well, this guy seems to be more into sort of 703 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 2: his social media. He's actually got twenty thousand followers on Instagram, 704 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 2: so I wonder how much that's going to go up 705 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: to when they do announce their relationship publicly. 706 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 4: For me, that's a bit of a red flag because 707 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 4: I like when influencers date guys that aren't really interested 708 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 4: in their own social media profile. We had Britney Saunders 709 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 4: on our show and she was discussing how she used 710 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 4: to go for the, I suppose the boyfriend of Instagram 711 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 4: type of guy, but now she's with a Jav's really 712 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 4: not into making posts on Instagram. 713 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: The thing is, though he's already got his own following. 714 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: I know it's less than Sammy's, but he's already got 715 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 2: a lot going on on social media. 716 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 4: Well. 717 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 2: I think the fact that maybe he seems to understand 718 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 2: her business side of things a little bit more, and 719 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 2: also the fact that he works in clothing, they could 720 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: be a match made in heaven. 721 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 4: Honestly, I prefer to get to new you. 722 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 10: But may really. 723 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 2: Tell you. Weeks after hinting that she would be spilling 724 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 2: all of the tea on her much roomored breakup with 725 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 2: Jonathan Sower, influencer Madison Willie has finally confirmed the split 726 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 2: on her podcast Now. For those who haven't listened to 727 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: their podcast, Girl Code, basically, they discussed their personal lives 728 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 2: in depth and answer listeners relationship questions. So I find 729 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 2: it really odd because they teased at the side of 730 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: the episode that listeners would have to wait right until 731 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 2: the end when Maddie would be addressing these rumors. So 732 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 2: she gave a little disclaimer and said, I'm going to 733 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 2: be addressing rumors that have been circulating about me, just 734 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 2: really quickly. I want to touch on it. Nothing too crazy, 735 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 2: but I'll address it at the end. Now, Basically, listeners 736 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 2: had to wait through forty minutes of content when she 737 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 2: literally touched on the breakup for two minutes, and she 738 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 2: did not go into any specifics. She didn't even name Jonathan. 739 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 2: All she said was that they'd broken up. Now, if 740 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 2: you have a podcast where you discuss your personal life 741 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 2: and also give people relationship advice, why wouldn't you feel 742 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 2: in a safe environment to be sharing details about this. 743 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 4: Was not only the podcast, she promotes her relationship on 744 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 4: Instagram and on her YouTube channel. I do think if 745 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 4: you're an influencer that has commodified your relationship, then you 746 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 4: have a responsibility, like we've talked about on the podcast before, 747 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 4: to address the rumors and what's going on. And Okay, yes, 748 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 4: she finally said, after weeks of teasing, that they have 749 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 4: broken up. Well, we'd already worked that out. I think 750 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 4: if you're going to be sitting on a relationship advice podcast, 751 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 4: you've got to give us a little bit more, as 752 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 4: you said, and I think why not say it at 753 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 4: the start of the episode because a lot of the 754 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 4: questions were around breakups. Okay, she may not want to 755 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 4: dish the personal details about why she broke up with Jonathan, 756 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 4: but surely's saying, well, she's going through a similar thing 757 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 4: could have provided some context to some of the answers 758 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 4: that she gave. 759 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 2: And the thing is, she said at the end of 760 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 2: the podcast that she wasn't going to delve into it 761 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 2: out of respect for Jonathan. And she's literally done three 762 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: episodes where she's spoken about breakups where she and Caitlin 763 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: have made sort of snide comments that infer Jonathan has 764 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 2: done this and that. So it's like, it's the whole 765 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 2: conversation has been disrespectful. 766 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: We all can read between the lines. Silly, you know, 767 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: we know what she's saying. 768 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 2: Well, what was quite clear as well is that the 769 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 2: segment was so chopped up, so clearly they probably let 770 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 2: loose and said a lot of things that they then 771 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 2: when reflecting on putting the podcast together, they had to 772 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 2: cut out. 773 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, behindsight, it's a great thing, isn't it? All Right? 774 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 4: So the real question here is do I get McDonald's 775 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 4: or Guzman's. That is a real question. Goosmins is like 776 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 4: really salty, and I don't know if I'm like up 777 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 4: for the. 778 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 6: Saltiness, you know, I I just don't know about the 779 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 6: saltiness right now. 780 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's all we've got time for today. 781 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us for today's podcast. 782 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 4: If you did enjoy the podcast, please subscribe on Spotify 783 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 4: or Apple Podcasts and leave us a five star review. 784 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 2: I am predicting that we may have a number of 785 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 2: negative reviews from anti VAX's or anti lockdown people, So 786 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 2: if you do love the podcast, we always get so 787 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 2: many lovely messages from people in our inbox when we 788 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 2: please ask that you do give us a review, even 789 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 2: them out a little bit, And if you do want 790 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 2: to continue the conversation, head to our Facebook community, which 791 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 2: has outspoken the podcast community.