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Speaker 1: Now there is no doubt that everyone in Alice is

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Speaker 1: is the local member forre Ara Lun, Robin Lamley.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Robin, how.

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Speaker 3: Are you, Good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I'm well now, Robin. How are things on the weekend?

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Speaker 3: Firstly, well, I heard reports yesterday that there's been a

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Speaker 1: We spoke to a victim last week as I just

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Speaker 3: I suggested that he consider emergency lockdowns of the town,

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Speaker 3: capacity for about don't quote me, but around two hundred children.

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Speaker 3: something that could be an added complication for an already

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Speaker 3: extremely difficult school to run, they should be just concentrating

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Speaker 1: Kdie Robin, I do want to ask you before I

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Speaker 1: let you go. In news over the weekend, the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory's largest legal service is facing a major audit, with

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Speaker 1: the federal government attempting to take control of all grant

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Speaker 1: funding to the embattled North Australia Aboriginal Justice Agency. According

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Speaker 1: to The Northern Territory News, a letter sent on Friday,

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Speaker 1: the Australian Northern Territory Attorney General's Departments have demanded NAJAH

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Speaker 1: A Territory government led orders of the service, weekly staffing

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Speaker 1: Independent Legal Aid Service, Robin, should this happen, of course.

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Speaker 3: It should happen, But it really is an interesting case this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're talking about doing orders of aboriginal

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Speaker 3: a really interesting place to look. First, this organization is

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Speaker 3: tearing each other apart. Is this what has to happen

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Speaker 3: before the government steps in and does these audits and

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Speaker 3: makes organizations like this comply? Apparently the answer to that

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Speaker 3: is yes. But the unnecessary angst around it all is incredible.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think it's a fascinating case. It's

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Speaker 3: not something I've chosen to even think too much about.

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Speaker 3: It's out of my purvey to some extent. But what

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Speaker 3: a bloody mess.

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Speaker 2: It seems that way, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: Well, Robin Lamley, I always appreciate your time the Independent

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Speaker 1: Member Ferarra lun and will no doubt talk to you

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Speaker 1: again very soon.

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Speaker 3: My pleasure, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,