1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: In the studio this morning for the big issues we've got. 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Dave Tolna, Good morning to you. Dave. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 2: Great to be with you. Cadie. 4 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: You turn your alarm off this morning. Let's see if 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: it works. Damian Hale, good morning to you. Let me 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: just make sure I've got your microphone on. Try it again. 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 3: Good morning. Oh some people probably like it to stay off, 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: but the morning. Good morning, Wolfe. How are you going? 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Great to have you both in this. 10 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 4: Already on fire. 11 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 1: For those listening wondering what Dave is talking about, I've 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: got a bottle of gin out there from Willing Distillery 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: that they bought him a few weeks ago when the 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: distillery opened and Dave just had a quick drink. 15 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 2: Well I saw it made him David Willing produces and stuff. 16 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: I haven't ever known that he was a dog maker 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: and had just had to have a quick taste. 18 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: So I tell you what if you and if you're 19 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: all thinking that Dave's you're not sure what's going to 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: what he's going to say every week, well wait. 21 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 4: Now let's see what happens. 22 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: Now. 23 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: I do want to talk to you both again. Last 24 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: week when you're on we talked quite extensively about the 25 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: situation with the EYECAC report into the DAR and Turf Club. Now, 26 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: just to keep you up to date, and I know 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: that you probably both know what's going on anyway, but 28 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: it is definitely an issue which is not going away. 29 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: The opposition leader Leofanocchiaro was on the show yesterday and 30 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: said that Michael Gunner has repeatedly stated that he's the 31 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: chief of Sorry, he's the chair of Cabinet and takes responsibility. 32 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: These words are hollow garbage. She says, he is not 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: taking responsibility. He's hiding behind cabinet confidentiality to avoid taking 34 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: responsibility for his dodgy deal. Now, she reckons that the 35 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: government should just release the Treasury analysis, including the time 36 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: and date that each department was given an opportunity to 37 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: provide comment on this cabinet submission and what their response was. 38 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: I mean, is that something that needs to happen here 39 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: or is that still something that could set a dangerous precedent. 40 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: Well, I think it sets a dangerous precinct sort of 41 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: releasing cabinet in confidence information. But I think that's not 42 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: really what Lea Finocchiaro is chasing here. She's chasing treasury 43 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: analysis and other stuff that's not necessarily cabinet in confidence. 44 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: And the reason why this is important is because Michael 45 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: Gunner is sitting there saying there's nothing to see here. 46 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: No government minister was found to have done anything wrong. 47 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: IICAC have cleared us, which is not actually the case. 48 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: The case is that, you know, Michael Gunn is saying that. 49 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: But if you have a look at the IQAQ report 50 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: on page eighty one, the Commissioner writes, there's no written 51 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: record of the analysis of the submission by the anti 52 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: government for two pm on that Thursday, which was before 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: the cabinet meeting, it cannot be said that the grant 54 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: was justified by any rigorous process within the government. Such 55 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: a process could not be carried out, not the least 56 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: because there was no submission on which it could be based. 57 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: What occurred after two pm cannot be known by me, 58 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: the subject of inquiry or comment by me, by reason 59 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: of cabinet privilege. So that's basically what he said in 60 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: his report. So it does make a bit of a 61 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: mockery of Michael Gunner saying, oh, well, we've all been 62 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: completely cleared anything, But what the Commissioner said he hasn't 63 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: been able to investigate that. And you know, I think 64 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 2: for a Blake who went to a couple of elections 65 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: now on a platform of transparency and accountability, you think 66 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: you'd be doing everything you can to show the literature 67 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: that justifies your decision on a particular thing like this 68 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: race course Greenstein. But you know, I think there's a 69 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: lot more to come out on this card. Haven't scratched 70 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: the service. There's a whole range of contracts and all 71 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff that haven't even been looked at. 72 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: And you know, it's going to be interesting to see 73 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: what happens down the track. 74 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: People will, well, people will draw their own conclusions about 75 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 3: this sort of stuff and as well at. 76 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: The moment they will, but there's a lack of information 77 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: at the moment. 78 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 3: But as we've said, and we've seen this before, and 79 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 3: as I said last week, around the politics of committing 80 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: money when it comes to. 81 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 4: Electoral winning and being able to win elections. 82 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: Often this isn't the only time that there's always a 83 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: bit dusty around the Treasury analysis of whether or not 84 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: it's a good bang for Buckford taxpayer. It's the ugly 85 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 3: side of politics, if you like. As I said last week, 86 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: so people will draw their own conclusion. Michael Gunner got 87 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: re elected after this money had been given to the 88 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: race club, and I remember at the time I was 89 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: against it. I was quite against it because I thought that, 90 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 3: you know, I were coincided with the fact that health 91 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,559 Speaker 3: was under pressure, and I thought, twelve million dollars. 92 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 4: There's a lot of. 93 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: Other things that we need in the community for twelve million, 94 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: and my view was that the race course should raise 95 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: that money themselves and pay for that themselves. 96 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 4: My position hasn't changed. Obviously, in a. 97 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: Couple of weeks time, everyone will be patting each other 98 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 3: on the back when the grand stands full of patrons. 99 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: But at the time I think I was one that 100 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: didn't fully agree with it. Michael got reelected anyway on that. 101 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: Now this has come out, obviously the opposition will use 102 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 3: this to discredit the government. I agree with Dave in 103 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 3: regards to the cabinet side of it that when's that 104 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 3: all come out twenty years time or thirty years time, 105 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: thirty years time and governments in the past have always 106 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: kept that confidentiality there. So people will draw their own 107 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 3: conclusions whether or not the Chief Minister and the other 108 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 3: ministers are implicated. 109 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: In Well, I think, like I say, Haley, there's a 110 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: lot more to come out. 111 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: I was going to come out in the next few weeks. 112 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: A whole lot of people walking around on eggshells at 113 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: the moment, wonder in which next card has about to 114 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: be pulled out underneath? 115 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 4: When's the because there is August. 116 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: Nine, Let's just go to that next part of the story, 117 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: because August nine is when that spill. So on Friday 118 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: we found out that the Turf Club is going to 119 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: spill the board on August nine. We know that there's 120 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: an interim chair in place, but interestingly two board members 121 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: remain on there. Mister Dale Baccino and mister Damian Moriarty 122 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: are going to stay on the board. Mister O'Sullivan, so 123 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: he's been put in as the acting chair said it 124 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: was necessary to have a core functioning board leading into 125 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,119 Speaker 1: the August nine Special General Meeting and through the Darwin 126 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: Turf Club carnival. Now my understanding is that mister Bachino 127 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: wasn't on the board when the development process happened, but 128 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: Damian Moriarty was. I actually asked the Racing Minister, Natasha 129 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: Fhiles about this. This morning, and she said no, that 130 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: her expectation is that they should all be standing down 131 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: from that board, and that's you know that then they 132 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: would look to whether indeed any legislation needed to be 133 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: drafted or what needed to happen if that board didn't resign. 134 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: But at this point, so what we're being told by 135 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: the chair is that those two need to stay in 136 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: there obviously to keep the function going, the core function going. 137 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: They probably arecorum that they need to have to have 138 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 3: board meetings and make decisions at this timing year. It's 139 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: it's the timing couldn't be worse, could it, because it's 140 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: the major carnival. People are coming up from down south, 141 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: and the focus is going to be on the Darwin 142 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 3: Cup and the race meetings that you know, we're pre 143 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: Darwin Cup and to have this sort of hanging, this 144 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: sort of stuff hanging over them. But I bet you know, 145 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 3: without having read the constitution, I don't know the constitution 146 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: of the board, but I did visage that they would 147 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 3: need a number of board members to continue in this 148 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: sort of circumstance. So bring on the meeting. I don't 149 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: think I personally, you don't think it's a big deal. 150 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: It's not as though these people will be making major 151 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: decisions about racing in the Northern Territory over the next 152 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: three weeks and the board meeting you the AGM will 153 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: be held on the ninth of August, and I understand 154 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: all positions will be spilled anyway, so I don't see 155 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 3: it as a big issue. You probably need a corum 156 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: to still make the day to day running of the organization, 157 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: especially this time of year. It's busy, and I think 158 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: that you know, the AGM can't come soon enough and 159 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: hopefully racing can get some fresh air after this and 160 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 3: some clear oxygen. 161 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: I think there's got to be a whole, whole and 162 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: total review of horse racing in the territory. You know, 163 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: we tried to do it when we were in government. 164 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: We were sort of held back on a range of areas. 165 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: But in the recent events have just I think shone 166 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: a lot of light on the entire industry in the 167 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: territory and there needs to be a full, full scale 168 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: inquiry with some recommendations on a way forward for horse 169 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: racing in the territory. I mean, I mean any inquiry 170 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: should look at things other than just a greenstein. When 171 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: you look at the amount of money that taxpayers are 172 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: shoveling into that organization that it makes your hair curl. 173 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: You know, more money than the entire Department of Fisheries 174 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: combined goes into horse racing in the territory. And you 175 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: wonder how long that can go on. 176 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: Speaking of sports, we found out this morning that in 177 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: light of the continuing uncertainty around the COVID pandemic, the 178 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: Northern Territory governments announced that the Arafura Games are no 179 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: longer going ahead. The Ara Games. I was trying not 180 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: to smile there. I could sense that Dave was ready 181 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: to laugh. The Arafura Games are a multi sport event 182 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 1: that target international athletes, and yeah, so not going ahead. 183 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: I had thought that maybe it was just for twenty 184 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: twenty three, but no, the minister said earlier this morning 185 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: that no, at this point they have been taken off 186 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: the cards altogether. 187 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's pretty surprise, that's right. 188 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 3: Actually, Dave and I could probably compete and win something 189 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: if there's no other no other competitors, so it's not 190 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: a surprise that. 191 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:15,479 Speaker 4: Starting competitions. 192 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: And I can report that Dave did have a little 193 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 3: smile because we know, we know what Dave's view is 194 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 3: on the ARA few of games, it was made very tons. 195 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 4: Of the Northern Territory. They showed their hand. 196 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: I'll tell you a little thing. I mean at the time. 197 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: You know, we were all of the people in the 198 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: Parliament at the time. We're advised to go around ring 199 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: the ring the administrators of all these sports to gauge 200 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: their support for the air A fewer games. And I 201 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: remember making the point, I said, we're asking the wrong people. 202 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: I said, what do you mean. I said, well, you 203 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: ring up the administrators of any sport and you say, oh, 204 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: what do you think if we can to the ARA 205 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: few of games, They're all going to clap their hands 206 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: together and say, oh you beauty, because it's to night 207 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: mere organizing these things. If you're a sports administrator. But 208 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 2: go and ask the players, go and ask the volunteers, 209 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: go and ask the people who intend to go and 210 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: spectate what they think about it. You get a surprisingly 211 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: different answer. There was a lot of love for the 212 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: Er A fewer games. And you know, we were certainly 213 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: in budget saving made and I was probably more so 214 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 2: than anybody else. But there are some things that are 215 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 2: pretty iconic in the territory and I think the ARA 216 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: Fewer Games was one and it probably needed reform rather 217 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: than cancelation. 218 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:40,599 Speaker 4: In hindsight, Well least buddy eight years too late. He 219 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 4: should have said something at the time. 220 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: Well, the other thing, you have to understand the participants 221 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: in the air A fewer games. There was only a 222 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 2: fraction of what there was originally. You know, it was 223 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: such a big event when it first came about in 224 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties, and what it's become is a it 225 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 2: is a shadow of its former glory. Meanwhile, the costs 226 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 2: of it went through the roof, and in fairness, you're 227 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: not getting much value for the dollar that you put 228 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: in as a government. So it wasn't a hard argument 229 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: to win to say, look, let's look at getting rid 230 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 2: of this and starting other things. And you know, since then, 231 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: we've had the Red Sin and NATS. There's a whole 232 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: range of things that have that have come into replace. 233 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 4: I love the Northern engagement. You know, with the Northern. 234 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: Those people weren't coming the way they used to. It 235 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: had fallen away somewhat. 236 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 4: But when you're cutting mode like the U c. 237 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 3: LP government, where it was an easy one to get 238 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: rid of. 239 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: The last government and the territory and that was interested 240 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 2: in the we. 241 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 4: Do spend a lot. 242 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: We did. There is obviously a lot of investment when 243 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: it comes to sport in the Northern Territory. There's no 244 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: doubt about that, whether you talk about you know, AFL 245 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: games or NRL games being played here and talk about 246 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: the benefits of those types of things happening. And I 247 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: do think that the Arafura Games presents something entirely different 248 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: in the sense that it gives young people in the 249 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: territory as well the opportunity to participate and to be 250 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: part of something that, as you said, Dave, you know, 251 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: in those early days is very special. I wasn't like 252 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: I didn't live in the territory in those days, but 253 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: some of us used to come across from Mount Isa 254 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: for it and it was something that was that was 255 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: really exciting, really good to be part of. 256 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: And also from the first one. 257 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 3: So it's probably a three tier down from from the 258 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 3: Commonwealth and Olympic Games, so quite on. 259 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 4: The same level, but it was a little bit a 260 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: little bit down there. 261 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 3: And Dave was right like the public service hated organizing 262 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: it and the sports administrators found it hard to organize. 263 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: But the athletes loved it, the public loved it, and 264 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: the volunteers. Mum and dad were volunteers for years and 265 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: they really liked it. And so it's one of those 266 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 3: ones that unfortunately is for one by the wayside. 267 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 4: But that's the changing world. 268 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: You've got to ask a question about the Masters Games 269 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: in our springs. I mean, it's a good question because 270 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: you know, the Master's Game similar thing. When it came about, 271 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: it was one of but now they got up Masters 272 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: Games at the same time in Adelaide and the Gold Coast, 273 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: and consequently there's a lot of people who would go 274 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: to our Master's going you know, our long terms, who 275 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: sit there and go, oh, well, this year, let's go 276 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: to the Gold Coast and check it out over there, 277 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 2: and the consequences. There's a lot of competition for the 278 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: Masters Games now and the numbers that we see coming 279 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: to the territory for the territory Masters Games have really 280 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: dropped off. And you know, I'm not suggesting we cancel 281 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: it yet, but I got a few from the masters. 282 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: It's an economic decision, isn't it? The governments after the 283 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: Masters Games, because why wouldn't you if you're the Queen's 284 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 3: Land government, you try to get a bunch of people 285 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: over forty. 286 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 4: Five got to go. 287 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: We're got to think about marketing ourselves slightly differently as well, though, 288 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: where you market yourself to, like North Queensland and Regional 289 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: Queensland and places like that where it's a bit more 290 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: accessible to get to us. 291 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: These scenes, I think, Katie, should you know they should 292 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: never be locked in forever. You've got to constantly review things, 293 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: reform things. Sometimes sports just need a little twitch here 294 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: and there. Other times you got to sit there and say, listen, 295 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: let's just stop throwing good money after bad bite the bullet, 296 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: take the bit of pain that you're going to get 297 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: publicly and move on to something bigger and better. 298 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 4: Or the blue rents games. 299 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 3: The amount of Southern the amount of We. 300 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 4: Could have. 301 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: Slid down the track last week and it was a 302 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: bloody nightmare. These caravans all along the track. 303 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 4: And I drove to Casarini yesterday and it was a nightmare. 304 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: Well, we were going to have a swim at Materanka 305 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: Hot Spring to busy did we drive in there? And 306 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: it's just choker. I've never seen so many caravans. They've 307 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: got an airstrip next to the hot Spring Sea. That 308 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: whole entire airstrip near is full of caravan. 309 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 4: Here you go more population. 310 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: Labor. Governments down sea after are driving their population out. 311 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: Theil beauty of it is they're all coming to the territory. 312 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: Governments. 313 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: Hey, I do want to just take across to this 314 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: story that's been bubbling along for the last couple of days. 315 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: We know that the n r L here and the 316 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: territory is investigating. Apparently senior n r L n T 317 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: games between the Palmerston Raiders and Northern Sharks had to 318 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: be postponed no this week while the sporting body investigates 319 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: a potential breach of COVID restrictions. So the NT News 320 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: understands that one or both of the clubs involved allegedly 321 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: breached restrictions by holding team training before those restrictions were lifted. 322 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: We caught up with Nigel Roy yesterday, the general manager 323 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: of NRL enter and he said that there is an 324 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: investigation underway that they're hoping really to have the I 325 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: guess the outcome of that within the next couple of days. 326 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: I mean it should the NRL have maybe just held 327 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: off another weekend in terms of playing, which. 328 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: Is again, but he's a coach. 329 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 4: I'm not a coach at all. I've got no official 330 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 4: role within on the coach of the NT team. 331 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: But distance himself from the rest of us held off then. 332 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 3: Well, the NRL NT is a leading organization and I 333 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: think at times like this you want your association's leading 334 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 3: peak body to lead. And my understanding is. 335 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 4: That the directive it was a directive. 336 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 3: Not to train, and that the club in question is 337 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 3: when they found out that they'd breached. It's a code 338 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: of conduct breach. It hasn't been given a COVID breach. 339 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 3: It's a code of conduct not following a directive from 340 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: the league. And they are upfront and honest and transparent 341 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: in all all aspects of the investigation, so that ongoing 342 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 3: and then there'll be there will be a penalty. There 343 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: has to be a penalty given out because the associated 344 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 3: clubs are affiliated clubs to the league need to make 345 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: sure that they're leading in the community. And Palmerston, if 346 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: it is Palmerston or the Sharks, the Palmerston Rugby League 347 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 3: club has gone from the least amount of registrations three 348 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 3: years ago to the most. 349 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 4: We've got a lot. 350 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 3: There's a lot of people involved with the club, and 351 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 3: the responsibility on all these clubs is to follow the 352 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 3: directive of their association, and in this case there's been 353 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 3: a mistake made. 354 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 4: From what Nigel has said that the club's. 355 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: Been very accountable and upfront and honest, and I'd encourage 356 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 3: all clubs across the Northern Territory to be honest with 357 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: this stuff, and the same as we're expected to be 358 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 3: honest if you're given a phone call and said were 359 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 3: you at this premise or did you have contact with 360 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: that person? Yeah, it's an unprecedented time around the pandemic 361 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 3: and around COVID and now the new Delta strained that 362 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 3: it's adherent on everyone just to be upfront and honest. 363 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 4: And I think from what. 364 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 3: I've heard, the clubs are communicating and they're working with 365 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 3: the league in a transparent and accountable manner, and the 366 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 3: league will ultimately make their decision. But I would expect 367 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 3: that if you've broken the rules, you were likely to 368 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 3: be sanctioned and panalized for it. 369 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: Now, Katie, I listened to all that. Haley is always, 370 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: as usual the voice of reason. You said it right, 371 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 2: you know we're on this show. The big issues I 372 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: got a breaking piece of news for you. Oh what 373 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: is that? One of Haley's number one supporters, the bloke 374 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: who's kept Australia safe from coronavirus, is flying in from 375 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 2: New York to the territory in August the seventh, and 376 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: you're saying. 377 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 3: August twenty one, this is the human headline one. 378 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd. 379 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 4: He's coming to Kevin. 380 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: Rudd, He's coming to the territory. I understand he's coming 381 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 2: visit Harley. 382 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 4: He will be visiting me. 383 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: No, he wants me to go and visit keV with him. 384 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 2: I'm gobsmacked. I I'm so honored at the thought of 385 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 2: catching up with v. Well, you know, you know this 386 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 2: week he saved Australia by his intervention with the fires 387 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 2: of Company. Did I understand the understand Well, he's the 388 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: brains behind the fires A vaccine. Of course, he was 389 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 2: the one that gave them the idea on how to 390 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: develop their products. So of course they're going. 391 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: Coming to the first of August for the faithful. This 392 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 3: is for the faithful. I'm trying to get Dave Ton 393 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 3: or a ticket, but I'm going to know whether it's 394 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 3: from the twenty first of August. K is a guest 395 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 3: at the twentieth anniversary of the First Labor. 396 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 4: Government's up here against clamor and led Labor to victory 397 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 4: twenty years ago. So you can get your tickets. Get 398 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 4: your tickets through the Labor Party. 399 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: Did you organize that visit? 400 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 2: I would. I get on very well with Kevin. 401 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 4: But Dave Tom looking fifty. 402 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 3: So if there's anyone out there that's got a spare 403 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 3: ticket to one of the comrades of if they've got 404 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 3: a ticket that they can give to Dave. 405 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: Tellstand he's about to be beatified. He'll be Kevin soon. 406 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: Listeners for our listeners, this is a joke. He's really 407 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: going to be here, will be here. 408 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 2: A guest told you, Katie coming here with big issues, 409 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: big issue. 410 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 4: I don't how many tickets. I don't know how many to. 411 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: Talk about, Cavid, Well, let's talk Cave. 412 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 4: How many tickets are still available? 413 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 3: But to the faithful of the Labor Party, faithful if 414 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: you want to go along that night celebrate the twentieth 415 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 3: anniversary of the first Labor Government. 416 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 4: All the elected members will be there. 417 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: But wants to me there, I don't. 418 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: Know to let you into a Labor Party. 419 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 2: Some of the locals here are very they're very small. 420 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: Mind of the labor people up. 421 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 3: Well, I've heard that, and all the ministers of this guy, we've. 422 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: Heard it here first coming to the territory New York, but. 423 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 4: Spending some time out in. 424 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 2: The Only question is I want to know is he 425 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: going to bring Barry with him or leave Barry back 426 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: in the States. I mean, it would add to the 427 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 2: labor party function here if he brought Barry along. 428 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 4: But who's Barry? 429 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 2: He's made Barry? You know Barry Obama. 430 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 4: Was a mischief maker to day. 431 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: I don't think Julia will get. 432 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 4: In before we went on, I recognize will get a 433 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 4: right straight after that. 434 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: But Julia tried to get I'll tell you what if guy, 435 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: if he gets Barry here with him that you know, 436 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: those two they got some potentially make some. 437 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 4: Real between me and between me and Ruddy. We should 438 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 4: be able to keep the crowd entertained. We are gonna 439 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 4: have to wrap up. You're kidding me. 440 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 2: We wanted to dig diaper on coronavalres some camps surlaving 441 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: Australia to. 442 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 4: Catch up with both of you. 443 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for the big 444 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: issues you're listening to Mix one O four point nine 445 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: three sixty