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Speaker 1: We know that there has been a lot happening when

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Speaker 1: it comes to stolen vehicles pursuits. Unfortunately that the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Police have been taken on and joining me in

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Speaker 1: the studio right now as Senior Sergeant from Strikeforce Trident,

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Speaker 1: Dale Mortar Barnard.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Dale.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Katie, Good morning to all your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Mate, a couple of things that I'm keen to

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Speaker 1: get a bit more detail about. On Friday, there was

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Speaker 1: a press release issued in relation to an incident that

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Speaker 1: had occurred, I believe the day prior, where police arrested

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Speaker 1: six individuals following a dangerous and extensive pursuit of a

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Speaker 1: stolen car. It covered seventy five kilometers and it put

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Speaker 1: police officers and the public at significant risk.

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Speaker 2: Just talk us through exactly what happened.

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Speaker 3: Well, Katie, that early hours of that morning, there was

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Speaker 3: a vehicle stolen here in Darwin and it was driven

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Speaker 3: out to what Air upon arriving in the community, immediately

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Speaker 3: started doing some burnouts, engaging in some pretty dangerous behaviors.

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Speaker 3: Local police were deployed to basically find that vehicle and

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Speaker 3: they were immediately targeted by the occupants of that vehicle,

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Speaker 3: so they rammed, they had projectiles thrown at them, and

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Speaker 3: they're basically being forced off the road. So some pretty

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Speaker 3: dangerous behaviors there. That vehicle subsequently left the community and

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Speaker 3: they occupant of that vehicle held up a local contractor

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Speaker 3: who was performed performing some works out there and stole

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Speaker 3: his vehicle using some violence, and then left whatever with

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Speaker 2: So did they assault that local contract They did.

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Speaker 3: They did. They use weapons to assault him. He sustained

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Speaker 3: abandoned the first stolen vehicle that they had, And then

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Speaker 3: essentially we received some community information which we rely on heavily,

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Speaker 3: particularly in that region, under that vehicle and the occupants

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Speaker 3: were planning on returning to Darwin, so we coordinated a

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Speaker 1: And so what sort of followed though, it was a

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Speaker 2: Wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's correct. So when they vehicle was intercepted by

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Speaker 3: US around Adelaide River, it again engaging in those dangerous behaviors.

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Speaker 3: It was immediately trying to run police cars off the road,

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Speaker 3: engaged in really dangerous driving, tailgating, civilian vehicles. We managed

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Speaker 3: continued a really quite extensive pursuit heading back towards Daily River.

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Speaker 2: Entirety of that.

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Speaker 3: Pursuit, the occupants were hanging out throwing projectiles at police.

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Speaker 3: So they had an entire toolkit in there, the contents.

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Speaker 2: Of that contractor's toolkit, I'm assuming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, correct, And they're hanging out the windows, waving weapons around,

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Speaker 3: trying to ram the police cars off the road. There's

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Speaker 3: some really quite dangerous behaviors displayed there.

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Speaker 2: There is so much about that that blows my mind.

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Speaker 1: Like my initial thought is that poor contractor being assaulted

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Speaker 1: having his vehicle stolen. But then you actually need all

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Speaker 1: out the window at police, used in a dangerous way

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Speaker 1: as weapons, you know, elf is horrifying, But then to

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Speaker 1: is incredibly dangerous. Then you're ramming police cars and you're

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Speaker 3: Look, I like to say this is an isolated incident,

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Speaker 3: and more often now as we resolve these incidents, the

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Speaker 3: next time we deal with them, and particularly the same offenders,

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Speaker 2: So you reckon they're getting more dangerous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, there's definitely been an increase in the level

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Speaker 1: So in this instance, as I understand it, there were

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Speaker 2: That was on Friday. They've now been charged.

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Speaker 3: They're all charged, and they're all reded over the weekend

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Speaker 1: So three of them were bailed, Yes, that's correct. Were

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Speaker 3: Yes, all three of them. On all six of those

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Speaker 3: offenders were repeat offenders, so they've committed similar offenses at

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Speaker 3: They're probably the ones that are still in custody. I'd

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Speaker 1: I mean, just hearing all of that and then hearing

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately it's not the only dangerous situation that we've seen,

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Speaker 2: Those three youths and allegedly stole.

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Speaker 1: A Toyota high Lux from a car park and used

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Speaker 2: What happened next, well.

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Speaker 3: Look, I mean, I'll point out right now that that

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Speaker 2: Whether all arrested, were they known to you prior th're.

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Speaker 3: All again repeat offenders? Thurre all subject to some sort

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Speaker 3: Well, if we're talking about adults and used as well

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Speaker 3: or good behavior orders. Youths also have these things called

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Speaker 3: And when we're talking about court like but court options,

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Speaker 2: What's a no further trouble order?

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Speaker 3: Well, essentially, your matters appear before court and it's a

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Speaker 3: more often than not, the charges are sort of wiped.

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Speaker 1: What so then you're not up on the charges that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, correct, And if you do breach that, well, then

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Speaker 1: How often do we have people on no further trouble orders?

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Speaker 3: Look, it's pretty common with some of the particularly younger

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Speaker 1: In terms of some of the offending then that we've

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Speaker 3: Well, one of them was at the time, one of

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Speaker 3: like I said, within a very short period of time,

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Speaker 1: Well, how often would you say that you are dealing

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Speaker 3: Look, I think I gave some numbers last week when

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Speaker 2: With them now.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the level of stolen cars that you're seeing,

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Speaker 3: Yes, so, look since the first of July in the

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Speaker 3: Plumper and whatever, because we do quite often encounter those

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Speaker 3: hundred and eight of them have been recovered and there's

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Speaker 3: looking like one hundred and six car stolen, seventy five

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Speaker 1: So people from that area that we's s daily region

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Speaker 2: Correct, that is a massive number.

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Speaker 3: It's a huge problem, and it's one that's not going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, how frustrating is it for you guys?

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Speaker 1: And I suppose what work are the police doing? You

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Speaker 1: elders as well.

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Speaker 2: Try and stop stop this behavior?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and I have said this before, until

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm so hesitant to speak about the different gangs

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Speaker 1: than one hundred vehicles from that region or that have

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Speaker 1: that they are from those local gangs.

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Speaker 3: A lot of it is gang related, but there is

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Speaker 3: who's not in custody. You know, a member of one

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Speaker 3: It's more just the overall region.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, mate, Do you think that with I suppose,

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Speaker 1: you know, look, we've spoken a lot in the last

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Speaker 1: sort of twenty four hours, even longer, I suppose when

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Speaker 1: it comes to just to take you on a bit

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Speaker 1: of a different path when it.

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Speaker 2: Comes to really young offenders.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's been a lot of discussion in the

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Speaker 1: recent weeks about about, you know, kids, whether they should

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Speaker 1: be going into don Dale when they're aged between ten

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Speaker 1: and twelve. Now, I don't expect you to go into

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Speaker 1: that discussion, but are you how often are you dealing

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Speaker 3: Very infrequently, Katie. The numbers would be very insignificant compared

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Speaker 3: to the overall number of youth offenders we deal with

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Speaker 3: ten and eleven.

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Speaker 2: It's rare. That's good to hear, to be honest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, it's encouraging. I mean there are exceptions, There

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Speaker 3: are times when we might encounter a problematic youth, but

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Speaker 3: then through a targeted approach, you know, there's things that

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Speaker 3: can be put in place that prevent continued reoffending. And

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Speaker 3: we have had success working with other agencies territory, families, education,

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Speaker 3: and whatnot, specifically case by case. And like I said,

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Speaker 3: the numbers are really quite small, and the offending and

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Speaker 3: the volume offending is infrequent.

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Speaker 1: Look, that is a good thing to hear, because I

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Speaker 1: think the last thing that any of us want to

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Speaker 1: see is kids at young engaged in criminal behavior. Just

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Speaker 1: to go back to this, the vehicle's stolen situation, I

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Speaker 1: mean three hundred and eight cars. It's the first of July,

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Speaker 1: so two hundred and eight of them were recovered, but

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Speaker 1: a number of them still outstanding. A hundred of those

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Speaker 1: vehicles were related to those the offenders being from the

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Speaker 1: Daily region. It seems to me like we've got a

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Speaker 2: What work, what else can be done.

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Speaker 1: To try to, you know, to try to stop that

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Speaker 3: Perspective, Look, it's really quite difficult because a lot of

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Speaker 3: the time these cars are taken from places, you know,

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Speaker 3: be some sort of security monitoring system in place, and

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Speaker 3: they don't realize till the next day. And then obviously

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Speaker 3: we're behind the ape all already because those cars already

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Speaker 3: I think it is a security issue for people who

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Speaker 3: are in a position where if you do own one

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Speaker 2: What can you do?

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Speaker 1: What can people do to kind of protect their cars?

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Speaker 1: I suppose, because I know, I know plenty of people

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Speaker 1: those older model Toyotas that absolutely love them what they're

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Speaker 3: Well, they just keep going and that's why they're so fair,

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Speaker 3: and they're really quite easy to fix and repair, and

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Speaker 3: that's also why these guys like them. But the ones

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Speaker 3: we see that aren't getting stolen they may end up

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Speaker 3: with a smash window, are generally cars that have immobilizers.

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Speaker 3: They fit steering locks to them, and then you know,

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Speaker 3: quite often people also install car alarms so that if

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Speaker 3: and the offenders they really don't like that noise with

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Speaker 1: All right, that's good advice, and look, none of us

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Speaker 1: want to have to do that kind of thing. But

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Speaker 1: the reality here is that if you if you want

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Speaker 1: have to look at it.

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Speaker 3: It's an unfortunate reality, but it's one that we have

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Speaker 3: to accept and we have to deal with it.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 2: These people are.

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Speaker 3: Targeting these cars, and quite often they come back and

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Speaker 3: target the same cars again once they're recovered. So it's

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Speaker 3: just something that if you do own one of those

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Speaker 3: older model cars, that you may have to be willing

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Speaker 3: to compromise on.

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Speaker 1: Well Dale Morte Barnard Strike Force Strident Senior Sergeant Mate.

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Speaker 2: I always appreciate your time. I know that you're very busy.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your honesty as well and giving us some

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Speaker 1: further details about particularly those car.

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Speaker 2: Fifts and plenty of other things. Thank you. As always,

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Speaker 2: we'll no doubt talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: Aris. Thanks Katie, thank you,