1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: You nine our voices. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 2: Quick heads up. This podcast can sometimes get a bit 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: rough on bros and cons. We talk about real life 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 2: and we're committed to having open conversations with no filter. 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: Some experiences and tastes can be challenging to digest, so 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: if you're easily rattled, you probably want to sit this 7 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: one out. Listener. Discretion is advice support is always available. 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: You can contact Lifeline on thirteen eleven fourteen or thirteen 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 2: Young on one Thing nine two seven six for Aboriginal 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: or Tory straight Islanders. 11 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 3: All right, let's get it, ladies and gentlemen. 12 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 4: We've tossed up on this subject a few times, but 13 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 4: I'll mention it again. It only takes one single moment 14 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 4: that will change your whole life, one single second that'll 15 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 4: flip your whole life upside down. 16 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: Tonight we sit down with two guests that live through 17 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: that exact moment. One night braw to a murder case, 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: to the harsh realities of jail all time. 19 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 4: And it's not just about the day or time either 20 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 4: or the crime. It's about the experience, the pain, the grief, 21 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 4: and also all the lessons that came with it. 22 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 5: The outcome. 23 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: On this episode, of Bros and Cons. We wait a 24 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: journey from prison wars to personal breakthroughs, real talk and 25 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: no filters. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and. 26 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: Khan Peakoo. 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 5: With a with a cool cons. We moved a queen ude. 28 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 5: We'll never understand the things that we do. 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 4: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Users are watching Bros and Khant. 30 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 4: Then we've got our two special guests with us here today. 31 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 4: Today's topic is about from bars to better days. 32 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 3: Now. 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 4: Anyways, before we move it any further, I'll get the 34 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 4: boys to introduce them themselves. We got the two boys here. 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 4: We'll get Mataki to start with. My name's Aki tongue in. 36 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, where you guys from? 37 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 5: From Kembletown? He grew up in Claymore. I grew up 38 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 5: in Ingleburn. 39 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 3: How is it growing up around claim More? Ingleburn? 40 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 4: Those type of areas Seatown In general, it's pretty low 41 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 4: normal land trouble. 42 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 6: Yeah, we all grew up in the same house love 43 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 6: like those like three families in one house, you know. Yeah, 44 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 6: you guys grew up in like big Islander family to 45 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 6: big like far or probably more seven of us. 46 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: And we made Yeah from my understanding, Kemontown probably had 47 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: one of the biggest islander populations, especially. 48 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 4: Going down to Ingleburn and Claim all ways. But you 49 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 4: were bound to bump into a lot of islanders, I remember, 50 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: but I was highly around Seatown but yeah I did not. 51 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 4: But yeah, man, messive shout out to the boys for 52 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 4: coming on and ripping Seatown Ingleburn. 53 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah it's awesome news man. The Unfortunately, these boys hit 54 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: a massive case in twenty twenty I think it was 55 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, yeah, yeah, and nineteen yeah, twenty nineteen. Well, yeah, 56 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: these boys have similar backgrounds to US men, and I 57 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: had the pleasure of meeting one of the brothers. He's 58 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: not here today. You know, the rough upbringing and what 59 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: they had to go through. And you know, with a 60 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: lot of US criminals, a lot of US criminals have 61 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: grown up and got to adjust to prison like from 62 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: a young age. But sometimes it's a different case where 63 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: you just chucked straight away in and then. 64 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 4: And this this would have been your guys first time 65 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 4: and first time yeah yeah, so you can only imagine 66 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 4: that just getting done for your first time and you're 67 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 4: looking already at a whack. So I can just imagine 68 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 4: the pressure. You know, these boys must have been feeling. 69 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 4: But I remember, you know, I actually know a personally 70 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 4: because I met him when I was doing my time 71 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 4: during my incarceration time, so I actually know. And when 72 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 4: I met a bro, I was like cheering because he 73 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 4: was telling me it was tonguing every time. Like you know, 74 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 4: when you're in jail and as a tongue and you 75 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 4: get to meet another tongue in b it's hecky. You know, 76 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 4: it's like another dogg was in the yard. You know, 77 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 4: you got another person to talk to, you know. So yeah, 78 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 4: but fuck me and I could go way back, Broye. 79 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 4: We got closed inside. Yeah, training training, but we even 80 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 4: had a guitar, but we're singing every day, so almost 81 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 4: almost felt like we weren't doing our time. 82 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: Like that sounds mad, but like how do you think 83 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: you adjusted to the like the first time when you 84 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: went in. 85 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 7: The first time when I went in, like it was hard, man, 86 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 7: Like you know, it didn't really hit me like probably 87 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 7: like done time for like a year, didn't you didn't 88 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 7: hit me like that. 89 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 5: I felt like, you know, is going to get out, 90 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 5: you know, and like I just could have believed I 91 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 5: was inside kept doing time. 92 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, and yeah, it was like hard to adapt you 93 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 7: see like all the other Islanders and stuff like well 94 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 7: like joining gangs and yeah, yeah, seeing the way they're 95 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 7: living like made you think, but you have to live 96 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 7: like that? 97 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, happened. 98 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: I think we spoke of it. We touched a bit 99 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: about it. I'm not on a different podcast. Yeah, Now, 100 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: the Islanders, it's sort of like it's just they was 101 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: just joining forces. 102 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: With the prison gang. 103 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't know what led them to that 104 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 4: that choice, but there must have been a lot of 105 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 4: pressure at the time, I guess being affiliated and just yeah, 106 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 4: you know that all the other Islanders affiliated too, so 107 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 4: you kind of felt like you were left out or something. 108 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you went a part of it, or maybe 109 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 3: they will look at you. 110 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, someone under you're trying to be different, you think 111 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 4: you're better, blah blah blah. 112 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: And I know what. I know what he means. 113 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: When you're like when you're Indian and you don't know 114 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: what's happening, it could be some of the worst worst 115 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: times of being in jails when you don't know what's happening. 116 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: Can you just walk us through that? 117 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: Like for that first year of being inside, how did 118 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: you manage to like finally adapt and just sort of 119 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: like accept fake. 120 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, fuck, I don't know, like being away from family, 121 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 7: like I kind of like adapt, like it was hard 122 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 7: and then like the only time you get to hear 123 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 7: or like family is on the phone, you know what 124 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 7: I mean. 125 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 5: Like you're used to them always being around you and like. 126 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 7: You know, talking to you, and the only time like 127 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 7: was the phone speak to them. That kind of like 128 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 7: helped me to like yeah, you know that because like 129 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 7: my family was always there. Fuck the boys too, the boys, bro, 130 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 7: they played like a lot the boys inside. 131 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 132 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 7: Yeah, they like played a lot in making your time 133 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 7: and stuff, you know, always making you like feel comfortable, 134 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 7: like they would. 135 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 5: Make few and stuff cooku. 136 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 7: Training Like you know, training during during my first year 137 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 7: was like good to like it was good before my head, 138 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 7: you know, my mental health was keeping myself busy. 139 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: Did you guys have a lot a sports background? Because 140 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: I remember when I was on the field, but I 141 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: was running the mark. 142 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 7: But yeah, we played footy, played foody. This was a 143 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 7: gun footy. 144 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 3: Player that this is actually our first NRL star. You're 145 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: seeing him here first. 146 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 5: Man, it's just tough for that thing. 147 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the first. 148 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 6: It was a big lag when I went in. Okay, 149 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 6: so were you in juvenile the whole time? Oh wow, 150 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 6: separate me and my older brother for now. Yeah, that's 151 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 6: because we got locked up together. And then we were separated. 152 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 6: But then they was saying to us, that's going together 153 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 6: sea water. The next minute at the end, they said, no, 154 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 6: we're taking You're going to common. Oh well that's the 155 00:07:59,160 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 6: last time. 156 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: Man. 157 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, proud of your journey, dog like running through that. Like, 158 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: how did you adapt to juvenile? How was that lock 159 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: for you? 160 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: Be different? 161 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 5: Yeah? 162 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel like you're like you're just just 163 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: being a part of the juvenile for the first time 164 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: and like having anger because a lot of us get 165 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: angry for being so you feel like that played a 166 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: part in like how you you started running the mark. 167 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 8: Yeah. 168 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 6: My first fe years, I was just as well, just 169 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 6: like anyone that looked at me just you know, yeah, 170 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 6: I feel like there was a problem. Yeah, and then 171 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 6: I was just like I was just a trouble maker. 172 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 3: Quiet yeah. 173 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 6: But then you know, just when I see my opportunity 174 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 6: than man, yeah, dumb stuff. 175 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess I guess for having a background 176 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: like you guys had when you guys didn't know, like 177 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: because that's why you didn't know when is it getting there? 178 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: You would be there for a long time. 179 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 4: Speaking of when you're gonna get out, like when when 180 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 4: you were going to get out? When you've seen your 181 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 4: guys specific charge, how did that feel for any reviews? 182 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 3: Did you guys. 183 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 5: Feel like yeah, I was just like, I don't even know. 184 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: Did you guys feel like this was the end? 185 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, we're going to get to be honest. When I first, 186 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 6: like when you, I thought I was going to get 187 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 6: because they were saying when your sister come in and 188 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 6: she'll talk with the lawyer, and then said they'll let 189 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 6: you after and I was like, oh yes, yeah after. 190 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: That pez later, that's exactly what happened with me. 191 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: Well when not before I got done, Before I didn't 192 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: know what I was getting done for said, I was 193 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: telling everyone, I'm just gonna get hand myself in getting 194 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: and I'll see it's tomorrow, saying saying love is already. Yeah, 195 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: they got nothing on me, and then bang, a year later, 196 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm on the phone saying, who the fuck told me 197 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: that hand myself? 198 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 3: You know what did I do? 199 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 5: Well? 200 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 7: When I first got charge with it, I was like 201 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 7: I was shop but like I didn't. 202 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,119 Speaker 3: Believe it, you know what I mean, It's almost unbelievable. 203 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, Like I used to see it on my name 204 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 7: and I just couldn't believe, like, bro, like there's no way, 205 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 7: like I'm getting like getting done for this. 206 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 5: And yeah, I did think it was like the end. 207 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 7: Of me being out and seeing my family like for 208 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 7: the next twenty four years, like yeah, you know, I'll 209 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 7: be hearing my family on. 210 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 5: The phone and stuff like. 211 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 7: Yeah. I just it didn't hit me too. I've done 212 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 7: like three years. That's when I was like, I'm like, 213 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 7: you know, there's nowhere to go. I'm getting done this. 214 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: How was it like when you finally accepted Do you 215 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: accepted it? Like what you were going through? Did you 216 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: feel like it it sort of made you more happy 217 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: or satisfied like in prison or. 218 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 5: Well it kind of made me like worse made. 219 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, because like I was, I was like I kept 220 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 7: thinking to myself, I'm gonna be for a long time, 221 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 7: like I got to adapt, adapt to this lifestyle, adapt 222 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 7: to like how how to like survive and stuff like that, 223 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 7: like you know, stand in my ground fighting Yeah yeah, 224 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 7: just yeah kind of man, like, Yeah, how do you 225 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 7: make you feel? 226 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 6: I just looked at it as like I was just 227 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 6: getting comfortable and I just see everything like there was 228 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 6: like at home. 229 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 3: Wow, that's easy for me. 230 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 6: So I was just cruising and then you know it 231 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 6: was just like I was just playing the game basically, 232 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 6: but like you know those good people on the run, Yeah. 233 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: That's man. How do you how do you think juvenile 234 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: is as a prison system? Do you feel like it's 235 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: like to. 236 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 6: Talk to these guys. They're like, well, come to Big Boys, 237 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 6: come come up. I'm gonna come up. 238 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 5: Eat my way. 239 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 6: It changed heaps, but like those either eats, like every 240 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 6: month you can pick MCIs or KC and you'll get it. 241 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 6: Well that's crazy, And I was like, I'm leaving this 242 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 6: like what I came out pretty it's like stocking. Yeah 243 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 6: you want to come to everyone from Big Boys come 244 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 6: out like you know feet skinny, Yeah, come junkie. 245 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: Yeah you got the whole feud. And I remember when 246 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 3: I was in there. 247 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: I don't know if they still do this, but with 248 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: the did they have that system where you have to 249 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: earn points to to make phone calls? 250 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 5: Still mocking like all the time, I was like being 251 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 5: good points, play the play. Then it would be like 252 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 5: I just always used to give you. 253 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, we just c Yeah, I feel like, to be honest, 254 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: I was going to say juvenile was harder for me 255 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: than jail because when I was in there, I had 256 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: to be a good boy too, like, and I didn't 257 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: like it. And some Yeah, you can imagine young's coming 258 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: in and they're stuck in a place and they're saying, 259 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: I don't know if they've done it to you guys, 260 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: but we had to tuck our shirts in our pants. 261 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: Yeah all yeah, you have to walk in a straight line. 262 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: Like, a lot of that stuff made me go crazy 263 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: because I didn't like when I went to big boys 264 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: were able to get buggers out and the boys kicks back, 265 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: make fun cause you know, buy stuff. And yeah, I 266 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: feel like juvenile like made me crazy because just earning points. 267 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: A lot of days I had no TV and like't 268 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: doing just get crazy. Look one in the point the 269 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: playing got your TV though, the like you just burn yeah, 270 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: because it's just stuck in Yeah you TV, just look outside. Yeah, 271 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: so were you smoke like buners and that in No, 272 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: we weren't allowed to sell harder to you as well, 273 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: because no one's pulling strings, no, and none of the 274 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: kids got money. So when you get to big boys, 275 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: it becomes Yeah, it's like an open field. You got 276 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: drones coming in left right, like you're doing jobs. 277 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 5: You know, money there. 278 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, what was the most what. 279 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 4: Would you say is the biggest challenge both of you 280 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 4: faced during your time being locked. 281 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 6: Up, being away from your loved ones that pass and 282 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 6: that when those times happened and then you like you 283 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 6: just don't know what to do. You can't do anything 284 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 6: because COVID here and you couldn't even leave the jail 285 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 6: them the worst. So like all the loved ones passing 286 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 6: when you're in there, you said, watching your little ones 287 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 6: grow up. 288 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was for me, watching the little ones grow 289 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 5: up like bro. 290 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 7: And then like you get out and they're all growing 291 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 7: up like you missed out on, like you know them walking, Yeah, 292 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 7: they got big best. 293 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: It's because before you go in you have some of 294 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: them still babies, and then you get out they're talking 295 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: to you. 296 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 4: I guess, yeah that I guess that kind of puts 297 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 4: a like an impact on the way you're going to 298 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 4: your your future actions and you know the way you're 299 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 4: going to deal with situations. M Yeah, yeah, So is 300 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 4: there anything else, like like hectic that you guys experienced in. 301 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 7: Jail, probably just like the friendship and then the problems 302 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 7: that you meet inside, Like there's a long way. Yeah, 303 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 7: they're probably like the best things that I ever got 304 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 7: out of jail. And then they're like advice that they 305 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 7: give me because like how they lived, you know, yeh, 306 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 7: like yeah, just stuff like that. 307 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 5: Like the boys they're the ones that make the jails, 308 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 5: you know. Yeah, yeah, it's probably the best experience. Like 309 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 5: I met a lot of good boys inside and. 310 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: Yeah that's that's yeah, was it? Yeah, the hardest. 311 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: I feel like that I'm the same. But like one 312 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: thing I always missed about jail and I spoke about 313 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: it before, the boys that you meet luck the other men. 314 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: You will never meet the same boys. And I guess 315 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: all the boys that are doing it hard. It's weird 316 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: because I don't know if it happened with you, but 317 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: a lot of the boys that deep into the game 318 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: and deep into the streets were actually advising on good 319 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: things to be better. 320 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 3: I feel like the boys that I did time with 321 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 3: even but I still talk to those boys that we 322 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: did time with the babe, Yeah, yeah, every single one 323 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: of them. We still talk to each other but. 324 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 4: Fuck yeah, they all live in their own individual lives, 325 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 4: but they still talk about the time of the baby 326 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 4: was cracker, Yeah, like, man, imagine we just made it 327 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 4: for a coffee or something. 328 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 5: And stuff. 329 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: So when I was with USSI and this one Joel, 330 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: I think I spoke about it. I met this So 331 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: we met this guy that was never getting out now 332 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: like never to be released. His name was Yonkie Tan. 333 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 334 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, I went to McCarey and I met you in 335 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 7: the same part you got to get McCory. Yeah was 336 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 7: at the time, but he ended up getting Yeah. When 337 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 7: I got there, like I just got out of Segro Yeah, 338 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 7: what's it called. I was in silver Water and I 339 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 7: was just kicking back in myself segre. You know, there's 340 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 7: nothing to do, writing letters and that. 341 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 5: And then the one of the. 342 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 7: Screws come up to me and said, oh, you're you're 343 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 7: going to You're on escort, that's what they said. And 344 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 7: then I see on the other phone he was like 345 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 7: he's coming to McCary. I had no idea, like you 346 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 7: know that I was going to recording because all they 347 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 7: tell you is you're going on escort. 348 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 5: And then bro Bang jumped on the truck and then 349 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 5: got off and. 350 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 7: Seen the McCary side. I was like, how the hell 351 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 7: did this guy know that he ended up getting me 352 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 7: out of I was in. I was stealing segre at 353 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 7: McCrory for one one week and then he ended up 354 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 7: getting me out and then took me to the same part. 355 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 3: That's all those boys. That's crazy, bro. 356 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, man, what would have been. 357 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: You've been much to replace me because I was yeah, 358 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: all the boys saying that, that's all the boys were 359 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: saying that you you Yeah, yeah. 360 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 3: I was feeling bad. I used to always talk about 361 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 3: young man, and I was. I was just happy that 362 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: my brother got to me because I spoke highly of you. 363 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 3: He's my brother, has a solid gun, you know, and 364 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 3: you know a lot. 365 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 5: Of the time. 366 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: I was satisfied that you you could protect yourself in 367 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: there and you can look after yourself. 368 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 5: I was happy. 369 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: I was happy in that since for your first time, 370 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: senior brother, can you explain that feeling of being able 371 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: to get jail, well, was. 372 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 7: The best feeling ever. Like you haven't seen your brother 373 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 7: in so long, you know, and then like I've probably 374 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 7: done like what two years without him without him? Yeah, 375 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 7: and the first time seeing him, bro, Like I just 376 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 7: started getting to you. You know, I can't explain it, 377 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 7: but yeah, I was getting to you. You know, your 378 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 7: brother like yeah, he's like. 379 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 9: Dickey, wait quiet, just giving the biggest hum and you're 380 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 9: saying like happy, yeah, you know, but everything just drops 381 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 9: like your god, yeah, everything. 382 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 4: Experience I remember, But we had the same situation happened 383 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 4: to me and this guy. You know, we got locked 384 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 4: up at different times. This was towards the earlier. During 385 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 4: our lock up, babe, Yeah, I didn't know what was 386 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 4: going on with this guy because the days we got 387 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 4: arrested with two different situations. I got arrested on my 388 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 4: way to scaffolding job. The arrested me, and then I 389 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 4: remember my parents telling me that oh we got done too. 390 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 391 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 4: I was like, oh fuck really and they're like yeah yeah. 392 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 4: But I was like, well where is he easy and 393 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 4: they're like, we don't know, they're not telling us. And 394 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 4: then I remember, I remember there was one There was 395 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: one day the sweeper I was in till the water. 396 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 4: This was in Silwoo. The sweepers coming up to me. 397 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 4: He's like, you look like someone else. Like he's like 398 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 4: turning around and like I think he was trying to 399 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 4: see a skull or something on my hes got a 400 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 4: scar on. 401 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 3: He's like, oh no, He's like, you got a brother 402 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 3: or something locked up. 403 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, yeah, I do. 404 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 3: He's like I think he's next door and ran to 405 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: the yard outside and I was like do you And 406 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: this guy's like yo. It was so surreal, man, just. 407 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 5: Hearing their voice broke like. 408 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: Fucking that was probably one of the happiest days of 409 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: my life. And I spoke about there was a video 410 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: where I said that I played gouty because my brother 411 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: was doing time. Yeah, and a lot of people can't 412 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: understand that, like thinking just visit him like in in visits, 413 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: but it's not it's not the same as next to 414 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: you like this, he's both going through the hard like 415 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: the hard yards together. 416 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 5: Man. Yeah, what's your with your brother? Like, bro, you 417 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 5: never want to leave his side like you guys outside 418 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 5: your he's in the kitchen. You know, you hope because 419 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 5: that's it's one of the best moments ever. 420 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 3: Brock Man. Man, that would have helped you guys a lot, 421 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 3: and did you stay together for the rest of the life. 422 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 5: He ended up he ended up getting moved to another child. 423 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 5: I think it was. 424 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 10: I'm not too short was called I think it was narrow, Yeah, 425 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 10: something like that. He went, I can imagine that would 426 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 10: have been the worst experience, you know. And the day 427 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 10: he left, Yeah, but it was far helping him. 428 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 7: But ye, when he left, he was just telling me, 429 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 7: just stay strong, don't worry you be getting out, Yeah, 430 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 7: down being good and more fighting and stuff. 431 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, just get back like he's made. 432 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 6: And he went to Yeah, that's when I see these guys, 433 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 6: I said, you got to see him as because I 434 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 6: never like any of them because they used to just 435 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 6: make me jealous. Come up all together and they're like, 436 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 6: you know, we're all like the guitar and the cells singing, 437 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 6: and I was getting jealous. Then I told my case 438 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 6: was I like to take me up. I want to 439 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 6: go up. She was the one that will stop being 440 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 6: like She's like, you know, it's better heat for you. 441 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just getting jealous. 442 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 6: And when I these guys, because when we went to court, 443 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 6: like we're all there and all like in these someone 444 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 6: yelling like my name when I think we're in a 445 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 6: different section, Yeah, like. 446 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: Name, like it'sy I see. I think I feel like 447 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: that is too brotherhood, you know too, that's too brother. 448 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: When your brother is going through the situation, bad situation, 449 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: but you feel like you wanted do anything to be 450 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: next to him, no matter what. You know what I mean, 451 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: I've got to I got to do a lot of 452 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: my time with my family and like I'll be I was. 453 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: I was selling with yeah one time at Long Bay 454 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: and then I got tipped. Oh no, sorry, I was 455 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: at Long Bay tip and then I got to do 456 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: the time with my brother Maxie. 457 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 5: He was making like hectic food and stuff. 458 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 7: You'll be making like cake, you know they cake and 459 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 7: make that. 460 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 5: You'll make his own topping and stuff. 461 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, for for the audience. You guys don't know. 462 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 4: But man, there's some things in jail that the boys 463 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 4: getting cooked. But ice cream cake. You know these nice 464 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 4: pastors but you don't even know. I actually like learned 465 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 4: a lot in jail, and I came out with the 466 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 4: same experience like cool mastership master ships can make it. 467 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 8: I can't make a cake in this time. This is 468 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 8: what I call who started like using the aluminium. 469 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: The god there was one time I didn't have a lighter, 470 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 3: but and I was gonna do that. The weak thing. 471 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, in the man, it's just some of that stuff. 472 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: You know, he was staying with you man, I don't 473 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: know what is speaking of mixed man. So excited for 474 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: his business that he's running. He's been able to come 475 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: out and he kept that business. 476 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 3: Going, right. That's exciting news. That's another term entrepreneur for 477 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 3: you guys. Tell us about tell us about is that? 478 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 3: Is that what you guys are doing it? He's helping 479 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 3: the brother business. 480 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 5: Yeah. 481 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 7: So when yeah, when like before we got locked up, 482 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 7: my brother had like a business just starting, you know, 483 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 7: working for it him and that, and. 484 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 5: And then we went inside. But they end up getting 485 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 5: us on the job side too. While we're working. 486 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, me and us see at the same time, 487 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 7: they came came ust came up to us and then 488 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 7: they're like, you know he's under arrest for dis charge. 489 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 3: Oh well yeah I remember. 490 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 5: And then bang, like you know where we're still in 491 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 5: our like five ears and stuff. And my brother Max 492 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 5: he's on the excavator. Oh, he was like shot. 493 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 3: He's like what the like, what's going on? What's going on? 494 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 11: You know? 495 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,959 Speaker 7: Like bang, And it wasn't like just two detectives came bro, 496 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 7: it was like six of them, six of them, two cars. 497 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 7: Bang came up to us, we're like under the rest 498 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 7: and that then yeah, like bro, we were just shocked. Yeah, man, 499 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 7: our whole heart just dropped. Like I thought these like 500 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 7: I've seen six people coming back. I thought they were 501 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 7: coming for the job inspected. 502 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 5: I thought that was the safety of I was just like, oh, mixed. 503 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 11: The engineersing, are you match, you're under rest, you know, 504 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 11: And then they went up to my brother, are you 505 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 11: sure under rest? 506 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 5: Bank? They both took us and the Mexican no, he 507 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 5: got yeah, he went in a different. 508 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 3: Time, in a different time. 509 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 5: Then it was weird. Yeah, it was. 510 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 7: Weird because like we didn't know what was going on 511 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 7: on the outside once we got arrested, and now so 512 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 7: he's c Yeah, we have no clue. And then where 513 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 7: what's it called? You know, isolation when you get locked 514 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 7: up and then you're in us for like two weeks, Yeah, Bank, 515 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 7: two weeks happened. And then all I hear voice from 516 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 7: the other wing. 517 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 5: I'll see like the it's me. 518 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 7: It's like trying to get on this side. Your sweep 519 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 7: trying to get to this side. And I was like, 520 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 7: I was like, I see you're trying to get him over. 521 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 7: We'll go to him, you know, then they weren't doing 522 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 7: any moves in isolation. Yeah loud, like you know, you're 523 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 7: staying in yourself. Yeah, you get your time one hour, yeah, 524 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 7: and then bang into the silver. 525 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: Do you feel like do you feel like it was 526 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: like it made you satisfied in a way doing knowing 527 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: your brothers are. 528 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 5: Like they can get from with my prother, they can 529 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 5: give me ten years? Makes you you give my prother 530 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 5: chaking check. Yeah. 531 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 3: I feel like I feel the exact same. 532 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: Man. 533 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 3: I feel like if my brother's game, you. 534 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 7: Can do anything together. But it's not even jail, Like, bro, 535 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 7: you just can go like you can go live in 536 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 7: the bush for like, you know, as long as I 537 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 7: was there, bro, Yeah, tell me how long you know? 538 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 3: Man? That's that's man. Speaking of jail. We're kind of 539 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 3: just outlined, you know, the jail experience with the boys. 540 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 3: So now let's talk about freedom coming out. What's the 541 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 3: feeling like, you know, coming out those doors, the front gates, 542 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 3: there's no other feeling is there? 543 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: How is that a dusting to the outside order? Has 544 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: everything sort of been coming back to place you guy? 545 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 5: Yea, but yeah it has. 546 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 7: Like Brad was like when I first got released, like 547 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 7: it was like the same as like getting locked up, 548 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 7: you don't think you're like you know, you don't think 549 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 7: you're inside. And when I got out, like I just 550 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 7: couldn't believe I didn't think I was outside. I felt 551 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 7: like something bad, Yeah, something bad was going to happen again. 552 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 7: It's just way too good to be true. Far like 553 00:28:54,800 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 7: being out, like the air, it's different. First first time 554 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 7: I up, my brother makes picked me up, and that's 555 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 7: the first thing I asked. 556 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 5: I was like, Brad, do you have. 557 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 7: And just like looking at the mountains, the mountain, like 558 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 7: Maccory there at the front, you're seeing all the officers, 559 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 7: like walk out. 560 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 5: Both because. 561 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 3: Definitely next week we should have a second session with 562 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 3: these guys. 563 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: Just before just before we kind of it's any advice 564 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: you could give for someone that's coming for a similar 565 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: similar path that you went to, you know, getting chucked 566 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: in the lines then all of a sudden and you 567 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: don't know what to do, You don't know how to live. 568 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: You know, you don't know what you're expecting. What was 569 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: you told, like a younger version of you, just keep 570 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: your faith from Like for me, it was different. It 571 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: was always like faith in the Lord, listen to your parents. 572 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 5: Yeah like that probably you know, don't be like someone 573 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 5: you're not like you know, trying to like act or 574 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 5: this like that. 575 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 3: Like, bro, be yourself. 576 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 5: You keep your head down, stay out of trouble and bro, 577 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 5: like you know there's a light at the end of 578 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 5: the tunnel. 579 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 3: You know that's there's a lie at the end of 580 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 3: the tunnel. 581 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 5: Like, don't thinkure you're in there forever, like you've been there, 582 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 5: you know what I mean? 583 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, be positive, be positive no matter what you get through. 584 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 5: That's that's all right. That's what helped me too. 585 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 7: Like I was always like positive all my time, always positive, 586 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 7: always thinking. Bro, Like you know, I know there's a 587 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 7: light in the tunnel. Bro, it's just I'm just not 588 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 7: there here, you know. 589 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, he's just like he's just like his brother. 590 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 5: Man. Thank you for thank you for having us, Mad 591 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 5: young Man, Mad young Man. 592 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 3: We love it. Thank you guys for you I'm here 593 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 3: with no thank you guys. It's next week We're going 594 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: to sit down with the boys again and haven't. 595 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 6: Happy tipping for kids that I'm fully slowly, that I'm 596 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 6: fully slowly. 597 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 3: They're good boys. Yeah, appreciate even just everything that they've 598 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 3: been through. 599 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 4: You know, you can take take some lessons from today 600 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 4: whatever you guys have seen it and just trying. 601 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: To just shedding more light on, you know, the background 602 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: of the areas and touching based on things that you 603 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: haven't seen because a lot of this stuff. 604 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 3: On the news are available to the public, you know. Yeah, 605 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 3: but sometimes you don't need to listen to someone else's 606 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 3: advice or like opinion. 607 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 4: There's a few guests that we've got coming on the podcast, 608 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 4: well known you know. Their name is well known and 609 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 4: very well initiated in the footy to our sport in 610 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 4: the street football NRL speaking. 611 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 3: So yeah, man, you guys gotta find out for yourselves. 612 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 3: We're not going to spoil. 613 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 4: Any announcements right now, but yeah, he's an RL player 614 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 4: and he's coming on the show Man start And I 615 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 4: was something with my love so I don't want no 616 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 4: why it's not all my time go one of my 617 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 4: brothers doing my live man against me every time. 618 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 5: But this is a blessing. 619 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 3: He's alone, and it's a blessing in this guy. What 620 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 3: broke me in this world to put me up and 621 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 3: make me stronger. Anything is possible to conquer. As long 622 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 3: as you've been giving in your Oh, you can conquer, 623 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 3: throw him to the curve. And they're just trying to 624 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 3: get my money and provide from my heart.