1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Get a. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and professional oversharer. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to learn, grow, and face 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview a different guest 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: about their highs as well as their lows, all in 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello, Welcome 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: to the Potter Rooney. Today on the pod we have 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: Mason Taylor. He's the creator, co founder, big boss of 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: super Feast. You may know super Feast if you're into 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: adapto gens, medicinal mushrooms, tony herbalism. That's we talk a 12 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: lot about today on this pod. He's really passionate about 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: Taoism and the philosophy of that. 14 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, but I just. 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: Felt like I had this amazing crash course in tonic 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: herbalism adaptations. Even though I felt like I kind of 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: knew a lot about adaptations, I learn even more from this. 18 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: He's very, very passionate, I'm gonna say, very spiritually connected 19 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 2: to himself. So there will be moments where this chat 20 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 2: will feel kind of esoteric in the best kind of way. 21 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: I hope you love it, and it's really exciting because 22 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: this pod with Mason comes out today and then I'm 23 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: pretty sure my episode on his Super Feast podcast comes 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: out tomorrow, and then from the first December, we're going 25 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: to be doing a super Feast giveaway with a couple 26 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: of my books as well, so watch out for that 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: on socials. 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: Of course I'll talk about it on. 29 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: The pod once it's launched, but yeah, that's from December first. 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: So if you're thinking, oh, be nice to kind of 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: like get some great adaptogenic, you know, tonic herbs in 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: around the crazy Crissy period, listen out on the pod 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: and also watch out on Insta for that giveaway. Because 34 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I just think super 35 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: Feast is unreal. I think Mason is unreal. I love 36 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: his ethos, I love his passion. He's got like a 37 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: fiery drive, which I love. So yeah, I hope you 38 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: enjoy this chat. 39 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: Mason. I think you're wonderful. 40 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: I still need to return that plant book for you 41 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: to you up, which I'm loving. And I really felt 42 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: like in this chat it was like catching up with 43 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,839 Speaker 2: an old mate, even though we hadn't really hung much 44 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: but had kind of followed each other for many years. 45 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: So enjoy. 46 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 2: Thank you, Mason, big fan, Mason Taylor, Welcome to the Potteroni. 47 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: Thank you. I remember exactly when I first came across 48 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 3: your work. I think you'd maybe it was the first 49 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: time you'd gone over to America, and I knew that 50 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 3: you were like doing that like that you were that 51 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 3: you know that on the news or that you know 52 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 3: on those like the more mainstream bringing in the tropathy 53 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 3: the wellness. And it was at the same time when 54 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 3: like Ambrosini and all that was. 55 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: There was a gang of all of it and where 56 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 2: there was was there was like a wellness Australian media gang. 57 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was in the I was really opposite. 58 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: I was like really in not that we weren't all 59 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: like coming from the exact same place, but I was 60 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 3: not polished at all. And I was coming in that 61 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: real like in the rejection of institution and yeah, just 62 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 3: and you know in the conspiratory or bend as well 63 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: like that, you know, That's how I approached wellness. 64 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: Well. 65 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: I then think super Feast, because I know super Feace 66 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: started in twenty eleven. 67 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: Right, but I feel like I've learned about. 68 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: Superfiace the more that I was coming to Byron Bay 69 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: because I feel like, especially in Byron you see it 70 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: offered as like a tonic that can be added to 71 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: your coffee in certain places and or added to a 72 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: smoothie and that kind of thing. 73 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: So I felt like I became super. 74 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: Aware when I was falling more and more in love 75 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: with Byron Bay and visiting any every any moment I had, 76 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: and I'm so excited to talk to you, and I'm 77 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: learning so much just by researching about you. I am 78 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: somebody that has a bit of an understanding and love 79 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: for TCM, but I knew nothing about and please correct 80 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: me if I say anything wrong. 81 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: But is it dooism? 82 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: Nothing about it until I started researching you, and then 83 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: I started deep diving dooism, And I'm like, holy Mac, 84 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: how am I missing this beautiful Oh for lack of 85 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 2: a better word, but it feels like almost like a 86 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: spiritual set of laws or a spiritual set of like 87 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: practices that we can follow that just seems so in 88 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: tune and respect respectful to our innate connection to nature. 89 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the best thing. I mean, like 90 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 3: why I kind of fell in love with Taoism because 91 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: it didn't. It doesn't really matter. If you take away 92 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 3: the word Taoism and you look at the principles that 93 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 3: are there, it's like the all roads lead to Rome 94 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: of spirituality because the map is so relatable, the terminology 95 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 3: is so relatable. But it's the remedy of to that 96 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: reductionist language that comes from Western anatomy and Western medicine. 97 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 3: Yet Taoism evolved, yes, like it's got shamanic roots and 98 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 3: evolved with the rise of civilization in China. So as 99 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 3: they went along, they realized they need to help capture it. 100 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: So it was in a bite size and approachable to 101 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: people as as population booms started to occur. So when 102 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 3: I was reading about it for the first time, I 103 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 3: was in the last year of UNI and I'd just 104 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 3: gotten back from South America. And that's why I was like, cool, 105 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 3: I'm going to do this. Like it was two years 106 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: before Superfeast was born. I was like, I'm going to 107 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: like dive into the deep end of health. But I 108 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 3: just I really I was, so even though I had symptoms, 109 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 3: I had exhaustion and immune stuff going on, I just 110 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 3: I was I was like, my I don't know what 111 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 3: the word is. I was beyond irritated at just how 112 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: much modern TC and modern Chinese medicine, Western herbalism, and 113 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: pretty much like every Western philosophy health just was so 114 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 3: like yes, obsessed with like symptomology. But then would say, 115 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: you know, so you can do what you want in life, 116 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 3: and I'm like, what the fuck do I want to 117 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: do in life? By them, that's you need a map 118 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,119 Speaker 3: for that. And so I was reading and it was like, well, 119 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: the Taoism was like, you know, these are the three 120 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 3: treasures of the body, and the core tenants is for 121 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: us to protect and cultivate these treasures. 122 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: So that is this, it's aging and shin. 123 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: That's it, and we can we'll go into them. But 124 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: I was just reading it, going cool, fuck the symptoms 125 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 3: which I can focus on and god bless classical Chinese medicine, 126 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 3: modern Chinese medicine, Western you know, like you Western met 127 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: great you know, specialists in that amazing, But what am I? 128 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: You know, what am I doing here? I'm not really here, Like, 129 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: and we can, we can go into the nuance of it, 130 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: but to arrive at eighty or ninety and have had 131 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 3: protected those those foundational capacities of the body and to 132 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: the to the and refine them so you can be 133 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 3: expressed and really uniquely expressed. Got like a real solid 134 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 3: foundation so you don't degenerate, and in fact you really 135 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 3: have a beautiful, graceful aging relationship. Making sure that you're 136 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 3: staying within the bounds of like just making sure that 137 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: you're you've got like knee health and hip health, and 138 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: bone health and regeneral health and sexual health by the 139 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: time you get to your elder years. The chi the 140 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 3: vitality to continue to move the emotions, transform motions, keep 141 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: the metabolism moving, digesting, keep thoughts transforming and moving through 142 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: your body so you don't cultivate sick winds in that way, 143 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 3: that's the chi and then your sham that that that 144 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: infinite part of yourself, which is you know, comes from 145 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: your unique connection of you know to what is love, 146 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: you know, your journey through this universe which is unique, 147 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: and refining that into the expression of your personality and 148 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 3: your mannerisms to the extent where you are unique. Your 149 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: mind can't get taken anymore by by mind viruses or 150 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: even just institutions that aren't you know, aren't you know, 151 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: they're not meaning you know they're not. They're not. They 152 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: don't have tell us about them. But it's just it's 153 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: boring to become a uniform human and we don't need 154 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 3: that right now. And what we what we need is 155 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 3: uniquely refined humans who are not assholes and they're really 156 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: integrated and yeah, when they're eighty and ninety and so 157 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: that's the context of taurism. I was like that, that's 158 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: big enough for me. That fits this bullshit. It just 159 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: be healthy. 160 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I love it. I love it, And I. 161 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: Love the way you talk about this kind of like 162 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: problem problem solving versus is it cultivating cultivation? 163 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I like. 164 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 2: That because like my background is nutritional men, so nutritionist 165 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: by trade. But I must admit, like I've been sucked 166 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: into it just being like take your magnesium and yena, 167 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 2: you know, like where's. 168 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: Your fish Oil's got it? And it does. 169 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: It's this moment and this is what I what I 170 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: was so excited to interview you about. And this is 171 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: where I think the shamn I hope I'm saying that 172 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: right part of it comes in. It's like what I 173 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: love about my yoga teach training was like understanding duma 174 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: and purpose and like honoring that within yourself. And I 175 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: feel like you've hit the nail on the head where 176 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: there's yes, like let's look at who we can be 177 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: when we're eighty ninety and vite out like being able 178 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: to live and not just be alive, but live, like 179 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: really like live who we are, but also like live 180 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: our truth. And that's where I feel like you have, Like, ah, 181 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: that's a bit I loved researching about you because I 182 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: feel like you're connected to like what your passion is 183 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: and what your spirit wants and like that part of 184 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: the human man. And I think we forget about how 185 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: important that is to our health and we get so 186 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: fixated on this like symptoms. Yeah, let's okay, Well let's 187 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: take this because you know, I just want to prevent 188 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: that part of eight. 189 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: And I'm thirty. 190 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: I've just turned thirty eight, so like aging and longevity 191 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 2: is something I'm like hyper aware of, especially going into 192 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 2: the field of acting. And you want to like look vital, 193 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: you want to feel vital, you want your mind to 194 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: be vit tool that like this idea of like honoring 195 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: the essence of your spirit, that's the shit I love. 196 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the biggest distinction of what happened with 197 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 3: me why I got into Taoism, And it took me 198 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: years to figure out why, because people would say, you know, 199 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: and this is what happens to people go like, oh, 200 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 3: so you're into traditional Chinese medicine. I don't know what 201 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 3: that is. And I'd talk to all these I was 202 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 3: rubbing people who had just got out of university the 203 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: wrong way in Chinese medicine, and I couldn't figure out why. 204 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: I was like, we're so on the same buck and 205 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: page here. I don't think you understand. But I was 206 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 3: just seen as this decentralized scallywag herbalist who was giving 207 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 3: herbs to people and allowing them to work with them themselves. 208 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 3: And they're the only relationship they had with herbs was 209 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 3: in symptomology and clinical usage, and so they're looking at 210 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: the one percent of cases where it's just like, you 211 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: can't give jin singh in that case, Therefore, let's just go, like, 212 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: you know, just change the entire culture and the entire 213 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 3: ancient herbal tradition that we're talking about, because I. 214 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: Don't like it, and I'm powerful. 215 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: And I have the wisdom, and they want to control 216 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: it because that's what we do. 217 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: We egoy kind of stuff. 218 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: Well, we deny everyone chasing the intention of their spirit 219 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: and exploring and honoring the sovereignty that people have while realizing. 220 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 3: The beautiful thing about our modern world is we do 221 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: have institutions to hopefully catch people when those explorations don't 222 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: go correctly. And hence why my core focus in super 223 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: Feast is to support people to enter into whatever is 224 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 3: uniquely their realm of elderhood, where it's genuine wisdom, because 225 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 3: the more genuine wisdom is the more guidance we have 226 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 3: that stop individuals when they're young and stupid. Let's being honest, 227 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 3: like really really causing damage to themselves and going Now 228 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: you're outside of your capacity, you should still explore, explore 229 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: within here, cultivate this awareness, dissolve your ego in one way, 230 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: and then move on. So that's the maturation. You know, 231 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 3: you can see the maturation happening of the wellness world 232 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: as you go through it become you can become slightly bitter, 233 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: which is nice. Bitterness is medicine as long as it's 234 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: in balance and resentful about like, oh god, so many 235 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: people are low hanging fruit and just getting harvest by you. Know, 236 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 3: like veganism and keto and all these two minute noodle 237 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 3: trainers and like. 238 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: The orthodox stuff. 239 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: Like I'm someone that went through IVF last year, and 240 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, I went in so naive. I 241 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: went in like just going this is the only option. 242 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: And I was like quite a confronting and fear driven 243 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: experience because I was like, Lola, you need to like 244 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: check in with your own spirit this whole diet, like, 245 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: and I wasn't doing that. I was just like making 246 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: every choice in that three months all made. 247 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: Out of fear. M. 248 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what that's what happens in like in 249 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: what's what happened with modern TCM as well, is this 250 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: was one of those real big things that took me 251 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: years to understand. Exactly if you come back to the spirit, 252 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: and if the word spirit doesn't work for you, use 253 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: the word intention and say, you know, just just whatever 254 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: thread if you can touch the intention, and then you 255 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: think about yourself in twenty years or fifty years, think oh, yeah, 256 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 3: I can get a sense that that similar thread of 257 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: intent will still be there. Some people might feel, you 258 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: know that in terms of like how I relate to love, 259 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 3: But that's the intangible but it is the most tangible 260 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: thing in ancient medicine. But that's that can't be completely 261 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: institutionalized and so and taught in Brote. Yes, So in 262 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: the fifties, that's what happened to the the self colonization 263 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 3: of Chinese medicine when Mat Sidung came in. And so 264 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 3: what he essentially did was he went and cut the 265 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 3: spirit out of Chinese medicine and said, you no longer 266 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: need to acknowledge it, and you no longer need to 267 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 3: have these shamanic capacities to sense what's going on, to 268 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 3: feel the animistic aspect of the body, and cultivate that 269 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 3: skill within yourself where you've cultivated and have awareness of 270 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 3: your spirit so you can show up and bring that 271 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 3: that that jew that due that duality of energy between 272 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 3: like you know, say, like healer, practitioner and respect because 273 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 3: you've got contact with your spirit and so so genuinely 274 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,079 Speaker 3: that you can't help but acknowledge the spirit that and 275 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 3: and know that you can't feel it, that only the 276 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 3: person in front of you can feel it, but know 277 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 3: that you have a map that can support that person 278 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 3: to feel that intention that's bubbling underneath that got cut 279 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: out because that comes from genuine you genuinely need to 280 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: be accountable to embodying that going through a healing. And 281 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: it was a race at that point in China. Yeah, sad, 282 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 3: And I mean I really I try and sit back 283 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: and observe, like, yeah, maybe was that maybe a necessary 284 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 3: thing because we had these explosions of you know, industrialization, 285 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 3: you know, and civilization and globalization. Was that a necessary 286 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 3: step to cut it out so it could expand really 287 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 3: quickly in institutionalization. And now likewise, what we see, we're 288 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: like really working hard is like as you know, niche 289 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: little communities to like remember so like indigenous law, to 290 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: see if we can do whatever we can to salvage 291 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 3: it and ground it into the world we live in 292 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 3: and bring some kind of harmony. And that's kind of 293 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: what's happening. There's a renaissance of classical Chinese medicine now 294 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: and Taoism and those groups coming through. And it's chalk 295 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 3: and cheese when you look at TCM and classic and 296 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: so I don't know whether it's and it is sad 297 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 3: and maybe it's good as well. I don't know, but 298 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 3: I'm definitely not putting flowers on a piece of shit 299 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: like it's it is. It is a piece of ship. 300 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 3: But at the same time it's pretty amazing that people 301 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 3: in the West will even acknowledge Chi because Chinese medicine 302 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 3: has is now in university. But yeah, it is shit 303 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 3: and it's sad, but that that spirit aspect, it's and 304 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 3: we're really young and stupid in the West trying to 305 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 3: incorporate the understanding of these But when you really sit 306 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: with these masters and the level of objective understanding that, yeah, 307 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 3: you can't just solve these symptoms and assume that person 308 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: is going to go off and not land back there 309 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: if you can really hone in and you know the 310 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: map that if you hone in and you can't feel 311 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: that spirit, you know that you're doing patchwork and that 312 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: you're going to have to be working with that person 313 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 3: to get a basic understanding of cultivation. And that's you know, 314 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 3: that's going to be you know, the three kind of 315 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: major tenants of Taoism that help you do that is 316 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 3: the the basic movement cultivation, and that can include aspects 317 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: of diet so that we are external. Then then the 318 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: vertical practice, which is sleep, which is really important. And 319 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 3: then and then in a cultivation in a work which 320 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: is stillness. So those three tenants we know they're all 321 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 3: necessary in order to have someone have the capacity to 322 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 3: work with you know what's called like the pre heavenly chi, 323 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: so the chi of creation, because you know there's an 324 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 3: aspect of us, you know, from no matter what you believe, 325 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 3: you can toss all of this out that as we 326 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 3: you know, for you know, as you kind of part 327 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 3: of your infinite self came down and merged with the 328 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,239 Speaker 3: energy of creation of this universe and how to unification 329 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 3: with you know that whatever it is that is the 330 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: creator here and then you go through your co creative journey, 331 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: you need to be able to be connected to that 332 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: that kind of like you know, that pre universe self 333 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 3: aspect of your of yourself so you can feel what 334 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 3: your intention was to come here and that lays out 335 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 3: your your map and then so we'll get to the 336 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: sleep and. 337 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: You know, I love I love all this. 338 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: So is that kind of one of is kind of 339 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: the one of the reasons why super Feast is here 340 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: because and not to come back to what we said before, 341 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: but like this idea of like problem solving or looking 342 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 2: at the symptom versus cultivating like a more holistic. 343 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. I walked out of university. 344 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: And international business studies or something. 345 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, international business, and I was actually enjoying that. And 346 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 3: then the last year they fucked me and went, now 347 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 3: we're dissolving that and I'm like, well, just let me 348 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 3: back in. I deferred for a year now and they're 349 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 3: like nah, and I was like, I was just like, 350 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 3: this is such bureaucratic bullshit. Just let me finish my year. 351 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: It's I've got really exciting units that I can do. 352 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 3: They're like, nah, it's over for you. You have to now 353 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: pivot into commerce. And I had to sit there and 354 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: do like these stupid, stupid business units. And so I 355 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 3: was like, awesome, that's good because I'm going to sit 356 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 3: here and I'm going to watch exactly how you indoctrinate people. 357 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: And I don't have the same level of projection onto 358 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 3: the like onto university in these teaching institutions. I see 359 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 3: them for what they are, but I was like watching going. 360 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 3: I was like, fuck you guys, I'm going to watch 361 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: you and watch how you create these pawns in from 362 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 3: this university degree. And all they all they do then 363 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: is go and work in like the Commonwealth Bank or 364 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 3: fucking American Express call centers and start with customer service 365 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 3: and then move their way up. And you know, I'm like, 366 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 3: I'm everyone's listening to this nose. It's a high IQ crowd. 367 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 3: You know what that system is. 368 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: And I love how you go peace to get degrees 369 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: that you used to be my saying throughout my nutrition 370 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 2: degree because I'm a supercrit. 371 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 3: Did really good research real well, no, like. 372 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: Because my brain is super creative and like, I'm a 373 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: visual learner, and so it was really hard for me 374 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: with some of the subjects of a nutrition health science degree, like. 375 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 3: I but the thing is, it doesn't need to be 376 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 3: and we know the way that the institution, whether it's 377 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 3: intentional or not, again a product of the times of 378 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 3: like the population explosion, blah blah blah. Maybe it's the 379 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 3: most sinister thing ever, or maybe it's the most beautiful 380 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 3: intention ever. Who fuck knows, but whatever, maybe it's a 381 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 3: little bit of both. But I went into the first 382 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 3: year I had an economics unit and I was told 383 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 3: essentially what the three possible essays were going to be, 384 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: and it was like, and I think we had to 385 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: write on two of them. And so I wrote out 386 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 3: three essays but I just I had this color. It 387 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: was the last time I've since cultivated it back, but 388 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 3: it was the last time I had this completely visceral 389 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 3: vision and image of each of those essays without memorizing 390 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 3: any of the words. And it was just I was 391 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 3: in a flow state. It was one of my last 392 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 3: attempt to grasp it and cultivate it. I thought, maybe 393 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 3: here in Union, I'm free, because it really got like 394 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: shat on in high school and I wrote these. It 395 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 3: was the first time I'm scoring like HDS, you know, 396 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 3: And he was like, how did you do that? It 397 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 3: was really great, like you really didn't miss anything, like 398 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 3: and it was and I was like, oh, it was 399 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: just the story. I knew what was next in the story, 400 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 3: and I knew if I missed a part, the story 401 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 3: didn't make sense, so I'd have to go back and 402 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 3: feel it and travel through this world again. So it 403 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 3: was it was really like shamanic interdimensional kind of like 404 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 3: you know, the way I relate to it. And I 405 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 3: just remember him scorning me so bad for operating that 406 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: way and going and I was really at that point, 407 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 3: I was already i think, disappointed that I had gone 408 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 3: to university, and I was doing it to appease, not 409 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: even my parents, just a story we'd kind of and 410 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 3: my parents had cultivated. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then that 411 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 3: was it and then I just let it go. So 412 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 3: I was holding that kind of bitterness towards this institution. 413 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 3: And then when I walked out after graduation, I yeah, 414 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 3: I turned around and I like said out loud, and 415 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 3: I was just like, I'm going to fucking deconstruct you. 416 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 3: You know, you have no idea what you did, like 417 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: letting me know the you know, the way that you 418 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: do this. So that was like, but that's good. At 419 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: that phase of life, I didn't hang on to that 420 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 3: level of bitterness and project but that was really nice. 421 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 3: And then from there, because I was so interested in health, 422 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: I was looking around like about what am I going 423 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 3: to do? What am I going to do? And that's 424 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: the the what everyone does now everyone knows the why 425 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 3: how watts of business and everyone you know, it's getting 426 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 3: trendy to come up with a really good, like you know, 427 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: like edgy why statement that everyone can like, you know, 428 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: really around and where I'm really focused on because it 429 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 3: pisses me off so much that I like, I it's out. 430 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 3: I know, it's out there now. It's not like I'm 431 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 3: doing anything revolutionary. But for someone who's creative and someone 432 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 3: who's like got you know, founder kind of energy who 433 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 3: you know, someone like me is like, I'm never working 434 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,239 Speaker 3: for anyone. I'm really poor at traditional business, you know, 435 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 3: but I'm I'm really great now. But really, you know, 436 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: I didn't understand. I didn't have a lick of capacity. 437 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: Of in an l yeah, but what. 438 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: I did have is the ability to commune with my 439 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 3: mews still whenever you want to talk about like you 440 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 3: know that the shen of my you know, my shen, 441 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 3: and that you know that part I had enough stillness practice. 442 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 3: I was just like, there is a part part of 443 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: that muse within myself or that expression within myself or 444 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 3: you know, that aspect of my own you know, spirit 445 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 3: that I'd really like to explore doing some nice manifestation 446 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: of it and having an impact in the world. And 447 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 3: and that's a sense, that's a sense as everyone knows, 448 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 3: you know, artistic and endeavors. It's kind of started to 449 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 3: really like, you know, the capacity to work with an 450 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 3: idea and ideas you know, moving around I think now 451 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: with like you know, Reuben's book and you know, I 452 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: think it's like Elizabeth's on Big Magic Book, and you know, 453 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 3: like Nick Cave's book just came out all of a sudden, 454 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 3: there's like a mass awareness of it. And I just 455 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 3: had no understanding of what that process was. But I 456 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 3: I was like, well what do I do? And so 457 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 3: as I was going what do I do, I'd watch 458 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 3: like I'd go into like mutterings of myself and what 459 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: I'm like, what's like, what's itching me? 460 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: Like? 461 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 3: Where what part of like of what's important to me? 462 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 3: And you know, what moves me and is like is 463 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 3: there you know? And what's the purpose? So on and 464 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 3: so forth. But I spent more time here than other 465 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 3: people do, and I think it's what set me up 466 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: for success. I'd i'd remember little moments when I was 467 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 3: four team having a problem with crossing my fingers and 468 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 3: hoping my parents weren't one of the ones that got 469 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 3: like the one out of two men get cancer. And 470 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 3: I remember that feeling, and I remember that feeling of 471 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 3: looking at like a fork in the road going there's 472 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 3: a cross the fingers. I wonder what that other road 473 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 3: is and I have no no capacity to understand. And 474 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 3: then likewise, when I was in Bolivia, I had that 475 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 3: similar feeling. I'm like, oh, I'm at a crossroads right now. 476 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 3: I'm either going to continue just hoping I and just 477 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 3: treating symptoms and I can get cert I can get healthy. 478 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 3: You know, I follow a good you know in a 479 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 3: naturopathic or dietitians. I kind of diet, I exercise, you know, 480 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 3: know that whole thing. I eat healthy and I'm healthy. 481 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on verse Like again, what's 482 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: that other path? 483 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: Can I say? Though? 484 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 2: Like hearing you talk about like kind of into your 485 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: muse or you know, people can call spirit purpose whatever 486 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: that is for them. That takes courage, because that's scary too, 487 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: because of the way, you know, there is expectations in 488 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: society that you know, yeah, married by this age, two 489 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: kids by this age. The Australian dream is to have 490 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,959 Speaker 2: a backyard, To own your own house and have a backyard, 491 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: like that is the quintessential Australian dream. And it's just 492 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 2: like to then break out of that and then be like, no, 493 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to honor this itch, this thing within me 494 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: that takes balls for lack of a better way, like 495 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: that takes courage, and I think it takes a willingness 496 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: to be okay with how it's. 497 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: Going to turn out and to not be attached to. 498 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 3: That, and that's what I did. The will is important 499 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 3: to remember there because I could look back and I 500 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 3: remember looking at getting swept up by the treasures and 501 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 3: reading about those and being like, this is really significant. 502 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 3: And it started to help me put some formation to 503 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 3: that energetic dance that I was sensing about. What is 504 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 3: that itch that wants to be created? Is it mine 505 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 3: just to be you know, just I can just express 506 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 3: with pieces of art or you know, just speaking, or 507 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 3: you know, just a personal brand. And as I went along, 508 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 3: I was like, no, this is something I need to take. 509 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 3: I need to birth and take some formation. And I 510 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 3: didn't have that will. In that last year of university 511 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 3: is when I found mushrooms and tonic herbalism and started 512 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 3: going and collecting my own spring water. I became a 513 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 3: yoga teacher during that last year, so I really went 514 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 3: back to the basics of my lifestyle and easy when 515 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 3: you know, when you're like young and in your twenties, 516 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 3: like early twenties, but like I turned it around really 517 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: quickly as you would expect, and because my kidneys and 518 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 3: my kidney water, and my ging went into a place 519 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 3: of like, oh good, you know, we're not living unsustainably, 520 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 3: We're not leaking our ging anymore. What the spirit of 521 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 3: the kidneys, known as the zuur, is the will and 522 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 3: they call it the fourth treasure because it's like, oh, yes, 523 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: the jing chi shen are the ones that encapsulate that, 524 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 3: which if you just focus on those, yes you're going 525 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 3: to be good. But the is so unique that we're 526 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 3: just going to include that as well, because it's literally 527 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 3: like a pinnacle thing that we just wanted to remind 528 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 3: you of in order to ensure that you get to 529 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 3: the place where you are as a creator being. You 530 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: have created a life of cultivation and expression that's aligned 531 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 3: with where you why you know, why you came into 532 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 3: this universe or you know. And so I started feeling 533 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 3: that that personality of the kidney water you can call it, 534 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 3: and that so I became super willing, really really quickly. 535 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 3: And I I am really grateful that I was in 536 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 3: like in a university institution at that time, and I 537 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 3: watched my friends trembling with fear, and I'd be like, well, 538 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: why don't you just not do that? I remember, like, 539 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 3: you know, like, why don't you just not do there? Like, ah, god, 540 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 3: you know what else am I going to do? And 541 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 3: I couldn't. I picked up so much speed so quickly 542 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 3: just due to the conditions. My parents were, you know, 543 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 3: still supportive of me whatever I did, so that helped. 544 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 3: They didn't have that extra pressure, you know. And so 545 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 3: I came out, Yeah, I came out feeling the willing capacity. 546 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 3: And that's what it is, the willingness to really take 547 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 3: the bo of what you're sensing and then and then 548 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 3: follow it to the end. That's what I didn't understand though, 549 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 3: when you go into a creation cycle, you and this 550 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 3: is what I now, I know what to do. When 551 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: I talk to people who are going through this creative 552 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 3: you know, they're going through their founder's journey and so 553 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 3: on and so forth, it's like, you know, are you 554 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 3: really willing to follow this to the end, because once 555 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 3: you begin, I'm not going to work with you if 556 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 3: you're not, if you don't have the capacity to talk 557 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 3: to me in five year blocks. 558 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it's so. 559 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 3: Cold at the beginning, Thank god, because I probably would 560 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 3: have done it. 561 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 2: But god, yeah, it's that fit. Like I think I 562 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 2: was saying to you before we hit record. I think 563 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: I was thirty two or thirty one when I was like, oh, 564 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: I went to my first acting class after many years, 565 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 2: and I was like something changed in my heart or 566 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: my spirit, whatever you want to call but I could 567 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 2: feel it internally and I was like, this is bigger 568 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: than me, whatever it is. 569 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: So I got it. 570 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 2: Honor that feeling. And then I was in la. We 571 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: have a mortgage back here in Australia, and I was like, 572 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 2: I've got to be savvy at the same time, like 573 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: I can't bleed. America is a really easy place to 574 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 2: just rip through your savings, and I remember I said 575 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: to my boyfriend. I was like, right, I'm going to 576 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 2: just take on any job I can get so that 577 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: that pays for my food and my petrol in America, 578 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 2: because that's going to save me dipping into my Australian 579 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 2: savings loads. And I remember I was working minimum wage 580 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: front desk of a yoga studio and a friend came 581 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 2: in and I could feel something felt uncomfortable in me 582 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: straight away, and I was like, oh my god, they're 583 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 2: judging me for working front. 584 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: Desk a to yoga street. 585 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 2: I could just feel it, and they were like what 586 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 2: are you doing here? And I was like surviving, like 587 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 2: making a living. I'm in acting school every other day, 588 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: Like this is just part of this is part of 589 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: what I got to do to get to where I 590 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: got to go. And I'm totally okay with that. But 591 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 2: it was really interesting feeling that like judgment. They're like, 592 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: but why aren't you teaching yoga? I'm like, well, I 593 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 2: have to get in some way. I can teach yoga 594 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: when they see that I'm good at front desk or whatever, 595 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 2: or cleaning duney cans, whatever the f I had to do. 596 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: But it's interesting because. 597 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: It was the will that then I was able to 598 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: be like I don't care what I have to do 599 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 2: to get to where I have to go. And I 600 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 2: think that's I know, it's just an example of like 601 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 2: that will, but it's like, if that willingness to sit 602 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: in the uncomfortable is not there, I just don't think 603 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: you're going to have the tenacity or the drive to 604 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 2: keep you there long enough. 605 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: I mean, the the level of dojo that you create 606 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 3: for yourself when you're a creative founder, like a martial 607 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 3: arts space for practice and debation. 608 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: Like tap us in the ogs. 609 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 3: Like that little a physical space that you go and 610 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 3: work out in, really go and practice in. It's like 611 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 3: a Japanese name for that, like a gym, like essentially 612 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 3: like a gym. The especially someone like me who was 613 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: like had to deal with the Peter Pan. 614 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: Syndrome because what you like when you were nineteen, like 615 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 2: traveling being a ski teacher. 616 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a ski instructors bartender in Greece, you know, 617 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 3: just like gallivanting. 618 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: And passage stuff. Though, like that was great. 619 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 3: I mean like that's probably the reason why I didn't 620 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 3: follow the Australian the typical Australiana kind of half. And ironically, 621 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: where I am now is I've got like a house 622 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 3: in South Golden and people come in they're like, oh gosh, 623 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 3: this is deceptively big in your backyards great, and I'm like, 624 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 3: yeah it is. And look at the grass. 625 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. 626 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: My boyfriend is obsessed with grass since we've got this place, 627 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: like always out there and I'm like, what is it 628 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 2: with the men and the glawn? 629 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: It's so funny. 630 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 3: I'm like, it's lucky with a really great friend who's 631 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 3: a landscaper and he's helped us pick so I don't 632 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 3: actually have to do anything to the grass. I just 633 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 3: get to be proud of it. And that's where I've 634 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 3: land landed. Even though you know, in the twenties, like 635 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 3: I had that much like rebellious energy that I'm I 636 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 3: was like basically never going to do that. I was 637 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 3: essentially going to be like a traveling you know, comedic 638 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 3: charm and God's all I wanted to do. So I 639 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 3: was trying to escape the business from the moment I 640 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 3: started it. But the business I was really just like cool, whatever, 641 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 3: this just means. I'd like, I just don't need to 642 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: like work for anyone. I'll see what happens. I was 643 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 3: bartending at like you know, at Opera Bar and you know, 644 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 3: like and Christine Manfield's restaurant at the time, so I 645 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 3: just didn't really have to worry about the cash. And 646 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 3: then Mum had an aneurism, like a Grade four aneurism, 647 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 3: so she nearly that she nearly died, and then she 648 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 3: survived and went into like six to nine months of 649 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 3: like intense rehab and you know she's like that level 650 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 3: you know, like you know, paralysis on the right side. 651 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 3: So she he's living up here now. It was eleven 652 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 3: years ago that that happened essentially, but I was like, 653 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 3: ah shit, you know, that was like I'm really going 654 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 3: to have to like, you know, at that point, I'm like, 655 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 3: all right, insurance is going to run out at some point. 656 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 3: I may want to make sure she doesn't just need 657 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 3: to have like shit kicking, you know, state level care 658 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 3: if anything ever, if anything ever happens, and keep her independent. 659 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 3: So I was like, all right, cool, super beast, I'll 660 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 3: do this. I'll go I'll start in the market. My deal. 661 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 3: The deal is that you need to look after mum. 662 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 3: And I like, and I didn't even mention myself, but 663 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 3: I'm like, I always knew eventually I was going to 664 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 3: get to a certain level of wealth. But I also 665 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 3: know that I've the work that I had to do 666 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 3: internally and the cultivation and then digging through ship it 667 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 3: was going to come through that. So I'm kind of 668 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 3: like I'm still kind of just popping my head out 669 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 3: and coming through the other end of my like deep 670 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 3: refinement process, which I'm like fucking twelve years man, come on, you. 671 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: Do you know you remind me of do you know 672 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 2: the big waves for Mark Matthews, he surfs the like 673 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: massive shipster. 674 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I just saw like a clip of 675 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 3: his like on Instagram, like. 676 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: Scary ways, like huge people die, that kind of stuff. 677 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 2: And he went there because of his mum. He was like, oh, 678 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: he was scared, and he was like, my mum was 679 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 2: sick and I wanted to be able to support her, 680 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: like and then he built this whole career out of 681 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 2: surfing giant wives and out of facing his fear. Like, oh, anyway, 682 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: another amazing human being. Should totally get him on your pod. 683 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: He's been on this pod. Okay, I have to ask 684 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: you stuff about super Feast because I'm friend, I'm drinking 685 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: the kool aid. I am really enjoying deep and I 686 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 2: mean that is a compliment like deep diving. We've both 687 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: been taking shn for am I saying that correctly for 688 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: a couple of days. Can I have a chat to 689 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: you about the dream situation? So I didn't tell my 690 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 2: because he's Matt's a bit funky with sleep, like his 691 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: sleep is the thing that he's had to do a 692 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 2: lot of work on with meditation whatnot. I'm a sleeper, 693 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 2: like I'll put my head on the pillow, see you, 694 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 2: like like our cold every. 695 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: Time, no matter where I am in the world, like 696 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: our planes. 697 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: Whatever, love sleeping, love, waking up with the sun, like 698 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: it's just I don't know, I love it. But this 699 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 2: small I was like, so, I'm not going to tell 700 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 2: him that dreams are, like I'd read on your website, 701 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 2: can happen with taking this. So I was like, I'm 702 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: not gonna say anything to Matt. This morning, went into bed, 703 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 2: took in his little morning coffee and I was like, 704 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: how do you sleep? 705 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, really good. I go did you dream? 706 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: He goes, oh my god, vivid? And I was like, 707 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 2: I had this like quite profound dream. Is that something 708 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 2: that can happen? Can you share? 709 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, look, it's that's a huge it's a 710 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 3: good Pandora's box. So yeah. Sleep is one of the 711 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 3: three major practices that keep you on a path of 712 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 3: you know, where you're capable of having especially something to 713 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 3: work with. The sleep is where you when you're the 714 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 3: liver spirit the horn will essentially travel through the universe 715 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 3: and give you that bird's eye view of the universe 716 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 3: and that you know, whether that's actually what happens or 717 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 3: whether that's just a metaphor for what happens to your 718 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 3: psyche and your subconscious and you're processing and we you know. 719 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 3: But that's I think that's been pretty well covered now 720 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 3: in modern psychology. Just in case anyone's like, I just 721 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 3: want to get that out of the way for them 722 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 3: as they can like listen and the shn herbs, you know, 723 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 3: there are other more specialist sleep herbs in Daoism that 724 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 3: I could you know, create just purely for that. But 725 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 3: when when the shen herbs, they're the herbs of you know, 726 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 3: the happiness, are the ones that you use for the 727 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 3: cultivation of the environments that the heart fire can burn 728 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 3: at an appropriate manner, and the shen is related to 729 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 3: the mind and the personality. So when the conditions of 730 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 3: your elements or transitions, like the fire and the wood 731 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 3: and the earth, they're a nice little trio that revolve 732 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 3: around that shen when they're in harmony. And that's what 733 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 3: these tonic herbs do. And adaptogens, you know, to an 734 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 3: extent if you want to look at you know, from 735 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 3: a Western perspective, when you have adaptogens, though they're connected 736 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 3: to a wisdom tradition that has the intention and the spirit, 737 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 3: it gives you more of an access to to the 738 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 3: map of what you're doing there. So it's which is nice, 739 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 3: but it's also nice being able to call them adaptogens 740 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 3: and working with them clinically. In those kinds of minds, 741 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 3: what happens is you regulate, and so you are not 742 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 3: only the herbs doing the regulation for you. So specifically, 743 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 3: you know, people will take ging herbs sometimes when you're 744 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 3: exhausted and. 745 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 1: I really want to try the ging hers I'm. 746 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 3: Meant to bring you some. I'm going to like I'm 747 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 3: seeing on your we'll do that. 748 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: I really want to take them, like I've heard you, 749 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 2: I want to do a thirty day. 750 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 3: Thirty day gen. Yeah, well the thing is like, so 751 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 3: you can do you can focus on the ging and 752 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 3: get the same results of like increased sleep, but you're 753 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 3: going to really feel that because it's so regulating the system. 754 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 3: You get the waters moving and you get you know, 755 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 3: the ging protected, and that's going to have a trickle 756 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 3: effect up to the fire and your shan expression of course, 757 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 3: but it's just nice when you hone in on the 758 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 3: ging herbs and you feel, oh, my core energy is 759 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 3: really there. And likewise with the shen, you really focus 760 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 3: in on your you know that that spiritual expression of yourself, 761 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 3: the capacity for your emotions to regulate themselves for your 762 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 3: mind to know. And what you do essentially is you 763 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 3: feel that as your shen's pouring through your heart, it 764 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 3: goes into the blood. So the shen is in the 765 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 3: blood and it's landing there because you're not expressing it 766 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 3: in a way that's like you know, vacant or sporadic, 767 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 3: So landing in the blood, and then the blood delivers 768 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 3: your shen or your own personal infinite mind to the 769 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 3: rest of your body and it stops you from having 770 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 3: that capacity to be brainwashed. So you see the people 771 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 3: with weak blood or not a capacity to express their 772 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 3: intention during the pandemic got brainwashed, and you can literally 773 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 3: see the people that didn't ha had strong blood and 774 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 3: so and it's likewise both ways, people that were brainwashed 775 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 3: into like extreme conspiracy. It's when you don't need that 776 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 3: that mind virus, you don't need that dogma because you've 777 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 3: just got that connection to yourself. So some people will 778 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 3: be like, oh my god, I'm going to take shen 779 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, just it's kind of there, but 780 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 3: it's not it. You know, maybe you need to be 781 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 3: working on some blood building herbs at the same time, 782 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 3: so you know, women, it might be like I am guy, 783 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 3: which I also have great combo. Oh really, and there's 784 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 3: beautiful shen herbs as well, Like you got some double 785 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 3: ups there, like I'm guys really, but like in terms 786 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 3: of I am guys, one of those ones that I 787 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 3: would just have most women on generally, and you will 788 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 3: find your sweet spot of like when in the rhythm 789 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 3: of your moon cycle, it's like, yeah, now is my 790 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 3: time to hammer it. Some women are just like all 791 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 3: the time, like so yeah, that's that's a really cool one. 792 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 3: So the sleep when you when you're in that condition 793 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 3: and you can really lay down and everything's flowing and 794 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 3: then you know, especially your heart's able to grab what 795 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 3: the adventures and the insights are, the visionary insights of 796 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 3: the horn. So the livers like the general or the 797 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 3: you know, it's like the creative director of the body 798 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 3: as well as in general and whispering to the emperor 799 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 3: or empress of the heart. But we need to know 800 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 3: and take stock. So the liver would that energy if 801 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 3: you get to the archetypical you know, if you and 802 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 3: if you drop in and just think of wood, but 803 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 3: then think of it taking the formation of an army. 804 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 3: General or a creative director of a project, and that 805 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 3: needs to take stock. We need to know how much 806 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 3: grain is left. We need to know how many you know, 807 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 3: how many troops we have, or you know, we need 808 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 3: to know what's going to be a successful year in 809 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 3: you know, like well, like you know, yeah, we need 810 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 3: all those parameters so that we can lay out a 811 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 3: vision and then a rough plan and then that gets 812 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 3: it over to the Emperor to like really to make 813 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 3: sure that that lands, to really compose it to land 814 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 3: it go. Yes, that is purely aligned. And so we 815 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 3: know that when you see people who have the capacity 816 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 3: for the yang expression of the heart fire of joy 817 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 3: and likewise the yin of complete serenity, and you can 818 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 3: think that my approach to exploring my vision and manifesting 819 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 3: it and then is going to be sustainable. I'm going 820 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 3: to be able to experience spontaneous joy and serenity and 821 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 3: cruisiness for like decades because that feeds back to the liver. 822 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 3: Hey yeah, and then so how do we you know, 823 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 3: how do we you know, how do we do that? 824 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 3: How do we regulate that? Well that you know, you 825 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 3: get into the controlling cycle of the elements, but once 826 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 3: you go from the fire over to the spleen soil. 827 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 3: You go. This has when my weakness constantly because my 828 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 3: vision's so big that my spleens just like we're not 829 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 3: even close intellectually, we can analyze you are not going 830 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 3: to manifest this reality because you're outside of reality right now. 831 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 3: So that's when that feedback happens. I work on my 832 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 3: spleen goes over into the metal, and my metal is 833 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 3: used to regulate my wood. Now, thankfully, my wood's just 834 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 3: really healthy. It's just my expleen soil is where I 835 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 3: need to keep my focus on in order, and that's 836 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 3: what I do in classical acupuncture, and every acupunctures finds 837 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,240 Speaker 3: it and just goes the Wood's fine. We don't actually 838 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 3: need to take that down. We just need to increase 839 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 3: your capacity within your soil. So that's kind of the 840 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 3: story there. As you sleep and as you land in 841 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 3: that practice and things those conditions are right, the liverhood 842 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 3: travels or your psyche can explore itself and start and 843 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 3: feeding back subconsciously to like, this is where you are 844 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 3: in your universal journey, and this is what's happening. And 845 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 3: trust me, that's when the beautiful dream communications come it's 846 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 3: kind of like when you look at animal, you know, 847 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 3: when you know I have a joke, Like I have 848 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 3: a joke I did, like like I've only done it once. 849 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 3: It's middle ages since I got got up and doing 850 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 3: stand up. We kind of talked about earlier, but I 851 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 3: had a joke about how fun it is living in 852 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 3: Byron Bay because every time a black cockatoo go past, 853 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 3: everyone thinks that it's a personal message for them and 854 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 3: going through and going through that it's so true and 855 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 3: that's it is, and it's funny. But it's like you know, 856 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 3: as you as you venture into that world and the 857 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 3: communication and connection, it's like you start to realize and 858 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 3: discern when it is whether it's a person, whether it's 859 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 3: when you when there is a genuine little message there, 860 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 3: or when it's just a happenstance and just something occurring. 861 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 3: You get that sensitivity, and you get that with dreams eventually, 862 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 3: and I. 863 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 2: Think sometimes you're like, oh, I'm just processing that thing 864 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 2: that I'm processing, because I said to Matt, I was like, oh, 865 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 2: I think for me it was a fear I didn't 866 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 2: know I had that I just needed to quickly, like 867 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 2: like process quite quickly and I said, it was so clear, 868 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 2: And I said, and I have because I have a 869 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 2: fear of running out of time and aging all that 870 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 2: kind of thing with the acting world. And I was like, 871 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 2: oh far out, Like it was so specific to where 872 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 2: where I'm probably overthinking, over analyzing, and probably holding on 873 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 2: a little bit too tight to quite unnecessarily. But it 874 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 2: was so I have to say, Like I woke up 875 00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 2: and I was like, that was such a vivid and 876 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,240 Speaker 2: clear dream. 877 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 3: It was a black cockatoo that was actually telling you like, 878 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 3: And that's how I relate to it. You know, sometimes 879 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 3: you feel them get into your path. For me, it's 880 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 3: for me, it's a black cockatoo, and I feel like, 881 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,800 Speaker 3: you know, it's ninety five percent of the time it's nothing. 882 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 3: Every now and then I feel it hooked me and 883 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 3: it comes in with what I'm thinking about and a 884 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,919 Speaker 3: little veer just to the right, and I know what 885 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 3: that means in terms of where I need to take 886 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 3: that thought or to the left, or if it's going 887 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 3: forward or back. That's something I learned from you, from 888 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 3: then from it, from it from a friend who had 889 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 3: knowledge like that, from an indigenous guy for who like 890 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 3: and it's only taken me, like, you know, ten years 891 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 3: to really understand that. But then in dreams the same 892 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 3: every now and then you're like, okay, cool, And that's 893 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 3: why it's always nice. You know, people have dream journals 894 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,760 Speaker 3: so on and so forth, and that's good in the beginning. 895 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 3: You write everything down always, and sometimes you know, you 896 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 3: can just let it go totally. But then you get 897 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 3: those biggies. You know. I had one recently as well. 898 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 3: You know, it was a big sicky dream and you 899 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 3: and it was literal like I can feel where my 900 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 3: head is at and what I'm what I'm thinking, and 901 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 3: I just veered off as driving and I just before 902 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 3: I fell off the edge, I just veered it, like 903 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,319 Speaker 3: veered off, and I was like, I'm close to having 904 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 3: a crash here. 905 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: Fuck. 906 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 3: I really write down exactly what that sense was, what 907 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 3: the story was, what the feeling was. And then you know, 908 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 3: I'd like, after all my years of you know, plant 909 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 3: medicine and cathartic this and cathartic that, and you know, 910 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 3: I'm like, just like I'm loving just like talk talking 911 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 3: to a Jungian based therapist now. And so that's when 912 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 3: I just went and like I'm like too, by the way, Yeah, 913 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 3: just landing and just like, all right, I'm going to 914 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 3: talk about this for like eight weeks straight and just 915 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 3: like getting to that excavation of that, I'm just like, oh, 916 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 3: holy shit, the system works. No wonder. The dreamscape is 917 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,720 Speaker 3: one that there's an obsession over, but just in ancient 918 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 3: in wisdom tradition and in I guess you'd say integrated 919 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 3: modern psychology, but just sometimes too much. I think you 920 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 3: just got to keep it to figure out exactly what 921 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 3: the relevance is, and then you take that and then 922 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,839 Speaker 3: you go and you got to make sure you've got 923 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 3: your stillness practice you do when you're in a cultivation, 924 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,439 Speaker 3: and then you're going to make sure you're doing your 925 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 3: you know, your your external physical you know your physical work, 926 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 3: and you know that's just making sure your fash is 927 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 3: good and your joint science stagnated stagnating, and your meridians 928 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 3: are moving, and you're doing your chigong, you're doing a 929 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,759 Speaker 3: little bit of strength and you're doing you know, that's 930 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 3: just like but that's just needs to stay in harmony. 931 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,280 Speaker 3: You can see people get obsessed with that in wellness 932 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 3: and the dogma there. 933 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: I've been that face. 934 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 2: It's like sixty day yoga challenge here we got, let's 935 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 2: do it in forty degree heat while we're at it. 936 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, spirits like it's like. 937 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: Totally, totally, totally totally. 938 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 2: I'm actually doing a shin dream journal just out of 939 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 2: pure curiosity while I'm taking it, because I just want 940 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 2: to see what happens so I will report back. 941 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,240 Speaker 3: Friend, Yeah, please do, And that there is a whole 942 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 3: you know, it's in Dourism and Vedic and you know, 943 00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 3: likewise in other shamanic traditions there's like entire maps for 944 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 3: working with dreams, and so just I think it's important 945 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 3: for everyone to remember that it's like really exciting, not 946 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 3: necessarily for yourself, but for everyone else. It's like it 947 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 3: is really exciting. And just remember once you start and 948 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 3: you get those few insights and it works, you're really 949 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 3: scratching the surface a really deep and profound practice, and 950 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 3: you do need to cultivate some certain skills before. I'm 951 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,479 Speaker 3: not even talking about vivid you know, like doing vivid 952 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,879 Speaker 3: dream you know, like like anything like that. I've just 953 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 3: like just know that there is an entire world there. 954 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 3: You don't need to become an expert in it, but 955 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,359 Speaker 3: just like just you can though you really can go 956 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 3: deep into that. 957 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,920 Speaker 2: Especially when you're working also, like you touched on like 958 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 2: a union based therapist, you can be like, can we 959 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 2: just talk about this dream for a while, and they're like, yeah, 960 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 2: let's do that. 961 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 1: Let's do that so much. 962 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,840 Speaker 3: One of the big literally one of the biggest breakthroughs 963 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 3: I've ever had with my you know, mum stuff. And 964 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 3: you know, the how apologetic I've been about my intensity 965 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,439 Speaker 3: as a as a human and as a founder and 966 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 3: as a CEO, and you know, the fear of judgment 967 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,399 Speaker 3: and the fear of you know what it you know 968 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 3: how you know what what what certain people when they 969 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,279 Speaker 3: judge it just like yeah, I'm just going to stay 970 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 3: in my little shell here, Like we're just a dream 971 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 3: that I pack. I just mentioned, like off, I just 972 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 3: liked this kind of dream. It was weird, blah blah blah. 973 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 3: I was sitting there with this animal, this animal and 974 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 3: there was a screen and there were these people behind it. 975 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,839 Speaker 3: He was like, all right, We've referred to it now, 976 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,359 Speaker 3: probably like you know, twenty times in sessions, and from it, 977 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,840 Speaker 3: I've got like perhaps the most like you know, definitely 978 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,919 Speaker 3: the most transformational insight that like in the last few 979 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,479 Speaker 3: years that I've been like absolutely objectively noticed by every 980 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 3: single and more than anything in the way that my 981 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 3: business is operating in the way that I'm actually sitting 982 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,360 Speaker 3: in that seat is the key. The key Stewart of. 983 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 2: Okay, I really want to ask stuff about the actual 984 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 2: products as well, because I just think you're awesome, but 985 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 2: also like, I love the way I listened to a 986 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 2: whole Pod episode where you were talking about thirty Days 987 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 2: of Jing, and I was like, Oh, this takes total 988 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 2: sense that we like on our different like not even 989 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 2: systems of the body, I'm talking. 990 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,760 Speaker 3: More called a system. 991 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know. 992 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,879 Speaker 2: And so I guess there's three that I really want. 993 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 2: We've touched on SHN, but I really want to talk 994 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 2: about Jing and Chi. 995 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 3: Yeah heck yeah. I mean Jing is like when you 996 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,799 Speaker 3: look at it's just like quickly go through like the 997 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,320 Speaker 3: things that when we talk about Jing, it's a collection 998 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 3: and it's a relationship like you can you can layer 999 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 3: over Western terminology a bit to get an understanding. Just 1000 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 3: know where layering over like English and Mandarin, you know, 1001 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 3: so you're never going to be able to get direct connections. 1002 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 3: So but it is really useful for the mind, you know, 1003 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,959 Speaker 3: we're looking at jing the treasures. It's like we're looking 1004 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 3: at various things that can be felt within the metabolism, 1005 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 3: the nervous system, the skeletal system, and how they relate 1006 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,799 Speaker 3: to each other. So it also relates to I guess 1007 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 3: you'd call it like metabolic or you know, system crossover 1008 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 3: and function that we haven't maybe captured yet or we 1009 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,440 Speaker 3: wouldn't we wouldn't associate. So like that's like when they 1010 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,400 Speaker 3: talk about water, it's particular function in the body that 1011 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 3: has a visceral feeling of water, and that's what we 1012 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,239 Speaker 3: talk about, the kidney water system. And then when we 1013 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 3: relate to the ging, that treasure of your capacity, so 1014 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 3: everything that relates to your capacity to continue to degenerate, 1015 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,279 Speaker 3: to not degenerate and age prematurely, and to continue to 1016 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 3: regenerate yourself and maintain potential physical potential for your self 1017 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 3: to express vitality and g but mostly in order to 1018 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,399 Speaker 3: express the expression of your shen that's the north star 1019 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,760 Speaker 3: that we have. And so the ging is the skeletal system, 1020 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,439 Speaker 3: the capacity of your knees, the capacity of your lower back, 1021 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 3: and your hips. That foundation that you know and you 1022 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 3: think about, you know, are you what is the relationship 1023 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 3: with your hips that it's going to be eighty and 1024 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,520 Speaker 3: ninety and not be an issue. Yes, it's going to 1025 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 3: degenerate to a certain extent, but within harmony. So it's 1026 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,399 Speaker 3: just aging, and it's got a grace to it so 1027 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 3: that you're able to function that you don't you know, 1028 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,800 Speaker 3: you know, you don't get into like bodybuilding to the 1029 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,400 Speaker 3: extent where it takes over your entire life and you're like, oh, whatever, 1030 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,320 Speaker 3: I've still got my mind. No you don't. You don't 1031 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,480 Speaker 3: have it to the extent that you would of if 1032 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:19,320 Speaker 3: your ging had been respected and loved and honored and protected, 1033 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,280 Speaker 3: which is in love and honor and respect of ourselves. 1034 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 3: And so ging is is our it's brain function, it's ours. 1035 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,720 Speaker 3: Governs is a part of it is our bone marrow. 1036 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,960 Speaker 3: As I said, it's really highly related to the kidney 1037 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,719 Speaker 3: water system. The kidney water system being in flow and 1038 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 3: in harmony with the other systems leads to the ging 1039 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:45,320 Speaker 3: either getting refined and or or getting getting getting wasted, 1040 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,239 Speaker 3: or at least getting protected. 1041 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 1: This is so cooled. 1042 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 3: When you look at your endurance, how much tenacity do 1043 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 3: you have? And that's a foundational thing, favorite word, and 1044 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,520 Speaker 3: because it takes a certain amount of like spirit for 1045 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 3: you to go, yeah, I know where I'm going, and 1046 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,960 Speaker 3: then to have the chi to go and like have 1047 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,720 Speaker 3: that pinnacle of like what your what your your intention 1048 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:12,040 Speaker 3: is as a being and then maneuver the body, animate things, 1049 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,000 Speaker 3: the cheese, animating everything, moving you around, keeping you vital, 1050 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 3: but you that's not going to be sustainable unless you've 1051 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,080 Speaker 3: got the container of potential that can facilitate and actually 1052 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,640 Speaker 3: go and put up the bones to make sure that 1053 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,920 Speaker 3: your chi doesn't need to make up that cycle of 1054 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,080 Speaker 3: thought every day. No, your ging comes in and puts 1055 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,719 Speaker 3: up some solid walls to ensure you don't need to 1056 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 3: focus on anymore. That's now a part of our constitution, 1057 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,840 Speaker 3: you know. And that's and and that's the thing that 1058 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,960 Speaker 3: people do. They just think they can focus on the spirit. 1059 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,239 Speaker 3: And that's what's nice about Dowism is it's not an 1060 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,120 Speaker 3: ascension model to an extent, it's it's both ascension and dissension, 1061 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 3: but it's really it's really about landing back in yourself 1062 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 3: and then going out with an anchor. Whereas you know, 1063 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 3: we know a lot of us, you know, there is 1064 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,799 Speaker 3: and context for it, but it just I don't think 1065 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 3: it works so well in them in the we world 1066 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,120 Speaker 3: is those ascension disassociation models where just keep the body 1067 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,880 Speaker 3: on just to a thread or you know, let's just 1068 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,160 Speaker 3: o'l sacrifice my body to show you. It's like I 1069 00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,319 Speaker 3: just I really it's so disassociated and from you know, 1070 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,839 Speaker 3: the fact that you need to be able to walk 1071 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,799 Speaker 3: within multiple worlds, and so we need to be able 1072 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,279 Speaker 3: to walk in the world of our shin, which is 1073 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,440 Speaker 3: just like you can only censor. You're the only one 1074 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,879 Speaker 3: that can sense. You can sense where we've all what's 1075 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,440 Speaker 3: what the aspect of our journey here through whatever this is. 1076 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,919 Speaker 3: You can you can sense the sameness where it is. Ah, yeah, 1077 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,680 Speaker 3: there's the connection point and I can feel where there's 1078 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 3: like there's a uniform, like a unity in our intention. 1079 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,359 Speaker 2: Do you feel when you connect with someone that's like 1080 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,160 Speaker 2: connected to that part of this or to their spirit. 1081 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:47,120 Speaker 1: Someone you know what? 1082 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,520 Speaker 2: Okay, So because I think I don't know if it's 1083 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,239 Speaker 2: social media, but we're in a world where we care 1084 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,080 Speaker 2: so much about what other people think of us or 1085 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,880 Speaker 2: our perception, what our perception. 1086 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,080 Speaker 1: To the like the way people perceive us. 1087 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 2: And it's just like sometimes I'll meet somebody and I'm like, oh, 1088 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 2: they just hit me in the heart, and it's I 1089 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,200 Speaker 2: think it's seeing somebody I feel like you're one of 1090 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,440 Speaker 2: those people. But you see people that are just like 1091 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 2: they're honoring whatever their trueness is. 1092 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I used to be in that world 1093 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,960 Speaker 3: where I'd be like on the hunt and I was 1094 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,440 Speaker 3: really open to feeling it and getting moved and impacted. 1095 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,800 Speaker 3: I'm probably closed for business outside of like the very 1096 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,160 Speaker 3: core people in key seats within my business, and then 1097 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,200 Speaker 3: by and then and then you know, my wife and 1098 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,320 Speaker 3: my children and the people in the dreamt Otherwise I'm closed. 1099 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,960 Speaker 3: I actually you know, and I know this was this 1100 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,399 Speaker 3: is essentially implied. You know, everyone's got that connection there 1101 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,879 Speaker 3: of course, you know, and they're doing whatever they need 1102 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,760 Speaker 3: to do. If they're not, if you can't feel the connection, 1103 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,040 Speaker 3: they're doing what they need to do to uncover that 1104 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 3: that muck y. I also know that how I watch 1105 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:59,399 Speaker 3: how I was able to really lean on because I'm 1106 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,799 Speaker 3: I can to that realm so quickly and I can 1107 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 3: speak in like, you know, charismatic ways, but like I know, 1108 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,480 Speaker 3: when I'm speaking, I can't talk shit and unless I 1109 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,560 Speaker 3: can connect to it and channel that which really inspires me. 1110 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 3: But at the same time, I was doing it for 1111 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,480 Speaker 3: so long in a way that I consider not that useful, 1112 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,239 Speaker 3: and I was not integrated, so I was accessing it 1113 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 3: but not landing it, and I didn't like that. I 1114 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,640 Speaker 3: didn't like being around I think it's a really useful 1115 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,440 Speaker 3: phase and I needed to do it until I went 1116 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,239 Speaker 3: all right, I've hit a glass ceiling here. I need 1117 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,319 Speaker 3: to come back down before I'm able to actually, so 1118 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 3: it's not as exciting for me anymore when I meet 1119 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,200 Speaker 3: people who are in that place, because I'm like, but 1120 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,160 Speaker 3: I do like watching people who are right on the 1121 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:51,839 Speaker 3: fringe of working with like cultivating awareness, because people who 1122 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 3: are expressing it what I believe in this in our 1123 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 3: scene prematurely, it just doesn't move me anymore. I'm like, 1124 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:05,000 Speaker 3: you can please, yep, great, Yeah, there's there's there's no boundary. 1125 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,040 Speaker 2: I think I understand where you're coming from. I guess 1126 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,919 Speaker 2: what for me as well, maybe because I live half 1127 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles when you do, because there's a lot 1128 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,759 Speaker 2: of like masks and barriers that I think it's a 1129 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 2: survival thing, a protection thing. But when you do meet 1130 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,080 Speaker 2: someone that's just like lives unapologetically to who they are. 1131 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:32,000 Speaker 2: I find that quite inspiring. When I see that, I'm like, ah, awesome, 1132 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,520 Speaker 2: like and it comes back to maybe that little that 1133 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,360 Speaker 2: extra I don't remember the word you use, but like 1134 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,360 Speaker 2: will and it's like maybe they're connected to their will 1135 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,160 Speaker 2: or they're honoring I don't know, I don't know. 1136 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,160 Speaker 3: I definitely think there's diamonds in the rough in l A. 1137 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 3: And I've met a lot a lot of time in 1138 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:51,600 Speaker 3: LA and likewise here, it's the amount of how easy 1139 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,320 Speaker 3: it's also become the map to connect. Oh, it's a 1140 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,399 Speaker 3: lot of good and the mannerisms are all the same. 1141 00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,920 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of fake connection monarchy. 1142 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,479 Speaker 3: What I love is meeting people like I love talking, 1143 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,200 Speaker 3: like finding like the mechanics and you know, like I'm like, 1144 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,279 Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah cool. Like for where I'm at at 1145 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,799 Speaker 3: the moment, I'm like, I essentially have, you know, ironically 1146 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,799 Speaker 3: disassociated myself from the wellness world. And that's why I 1147 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,239 Speaker 3: went into comedy to do that, because I'm like, it's 1148 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,400 Speaker 3: easy to do it here. It's easy to do it 1149 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,360 Speaker 3: in LA, it's easy to do it in viron. I 1150 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,440 Speaker 3: want to get out of like that kind of scene 1151 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,239 Speaker 3: completely and I'm going to venture into like you know, 1152 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,000 Speaker 3: what I had at that was the business world, and 1153 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,879 Speaker 3: you know, and it's but like, I don't think I'm 1154 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,600 Speaker 3: I'm definitely not in a special place. I don't have 1155 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,480 Speaker 3: the capacity to see what other people can't see or 1156 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,560 Speaker 3: anything like that. I guess I'm just like I've just 1157 00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 3: tried to get really hyper focused on like exactly where 1158 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,120 Speaker 3: I am in my development, So that's shut off to 1159 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,880 Speaker 3: allowing myself to even like I don't listen to podcasts 1160 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,440 Speaker 3: or about it anymore. I don't listen to personal growth stuff. 1161 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,720 Speaker 1: I just need to know why I actually don't either. 1162 00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:00,919 Speaker 2: It's just I guess I'm like, I think, I think 1163 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,960 Speaker 2: what I'm about to say is right. I think because 1164 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,800 Speaker 2: I study so much acting, it's you're essentially studying human behavior, 1165 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,000 Speaker 2: and so when you see a very honest human being, 1166 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 2: not the fake fluff wellness crap that there is bazillions 1167 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,839 Speaker 2: of out there, especially here and in LA. But yeah, 1168 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,560 Speaker 2: it's just like when you meet someone that's kind of 1169 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,959 Speaker 2: marching to be their own drum like and you're like, ah, 1170 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,680 Speaker 2: that's sick, and I'm sick in a good way. And 1171 00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,600 Speaker 2: it's just I think for me, that kind of always 1172 00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,839 Speaker 2: makes me turn my head and be like, okay, and 1173 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,360 Speaker 2: it's to me, it is rare and I'm not meant 1174 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,200 Speaker 2: to make I'm not trying to make that sound hippie 1175 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:35,720 Speaker 2: woo woo. 1176 00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,160 Speaker 1: Esoteric, none of that. It's just like. 1177 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,000 Speaker 2: I think it's like an honoring of your own human 1178 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,000 Speaker 2: spirit and truly choosing to live the like I think 1179 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,000 Speaker 2: we all get glimpses of it. And I think there's 1180 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,920 Speaker 2: a lot of fake in the wellness world and a 1181 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,000 Speaker 2: lot of like hippie woo woo fluff, and I love 1182 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,560 Speaker 2: I love hippie, but it's like this feels like a 1183 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:04,200 Speaker 2: different to that, where it's just like, uh, honoring of 1184 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,680 Speaker 2: where you are in this present moment, but also like 1185 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,799 Speaker 2: of what you're here for. And I think that that 1186 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,640 Speaker 2: is rare. I think that's what I'm in a very 1187 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,600 Speaker 2: roundabout way. When you get back, Does that kind of 1188 00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:15,000 Speaker 2: make sense? 1189 00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,600 Speaker 3: Absolutely? I mean, and I guess I like, you know not, 1190 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,360 Speaker 3: It's it's not the same for everyone. But the thing 1191 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:25,760 Speaker 3: I like seeing in those people is when they are 1192 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,360 Speaker 3: willing to listen and acknowledge of when it's time to 1193 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,840 Speaker 3: like close a chapter that they thought they'd never closed, 1194 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,120 Speaker 3: or when it's time, like, yeah, you just started this 1195 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,000 Speaker 3: thing thinking it'd be a cool little thing, but now 1196 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,400 Speaker 3: your entire life is going to have to change and 1197 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,280 Speaker 3: you're going to have to kind of accept that challenge 1198 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,720 Speaker 3: and go through and like that. I like, that's where 1199 00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,360 Speaker 3: probably where I'm at in acknowledging those people. And then 1200 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 3: and when you chat to them, generally they'll have one 1201 00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,400 Speaker 3: little core thing that you'll say that they'll say in 1202 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,760 Speaker 3: lessen and it'll stick to you and you'll go, ah, shit, 1203 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,240 Speaker 3: like that's how I like. I like, I like those 1204 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,760 Speaker 3: people they carry little darts. But then yeah, they don't. 1205 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,040 Speaker 3: They didn't share it with the intention of you being moved. 1206 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,440 Speaker 3: You were just like, whoa, you're like deep in it. 1207 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,440 Speaker 3: You give me some of that, Like it's just like 1208 00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,080 Speaker 3: cross pollination creation like Conroyds at the moment. 1209 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, So then can I ask if your passion is 1210 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,280 Speaker 2: to be a stand up comedian. 1211 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,000 Speaker 3: I don't know where that's going to go. I got 1212 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,040 Speaker 3: into stand up comedy two years ago because it was 1213 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,280 Speaker 3: just like I took over, took the reins back of 1214 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,960 Speaker 3: the business after we'd gone through you know, boom years. 1215 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,360 Speaker 3: Just been like me and Tany and I my wife 1216 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,120 Speaker 3: just been like I'll just take patch it up and 1217 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,560 Speaker 3: just like you know, just quickly like just keep up 1218 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,360 Speaker 3: with this without really putting solid structures in and I 1219 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,600 Speaker 3: kind of missed the boat. I knew what my passion 1220 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 3: was in terms of business structure and creating like an 1221 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:53,320 Speaker 3: adaptive ecosystem style business that was in a spectrum of 1222 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,680 Speaker 3: thinking that I didn't really have the right to be 1223 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,920 Speaker 3: at yet, and yet I was like I want it 1224 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,439 Speaker 3: and tried to implement just off and you know, knew 1225 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 3: I wasn't going to just go retract back to like 1226 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:11,200 Speaker 3: that orange spectrum of business and psyche which is kind 1227 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:17,440 Speaker 3: of like machine based, know, hierarchy based. So then I 1228 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,840 Speaker 3: but when yeah, we just tried to keep up with 1229 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,040 Speaker 3: the demand. And then when I took the reins back over, 1230 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,000 Speaker 3: it was just like, oh, it's just like we just 1231 00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,320 Speaker 3: like bloated and you know, just put this person here 1232 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,080 Speaker 3: and this person there, and you know, there weren't walls 1233 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,000 Speaker 3: in the business. As one of my team member kind 1234 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,200 Speaker 3: of called it, that wasn't real, like you know, I 1235 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,080 Speaker 3: hadn't really built the thing out. It was just kind 1236 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,840 Speaker 3: of the share of the business was so strong, but 1237 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,680 Speaker 3: the ging of the business was really starting to walk 1238 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,160 Speaker 3: on eggshells. So unless I kind of really turned it 1239 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,520 Speaker 3: around and actually dealing with my own shit, that was 1240 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,680 Speaker 3: stopping me from actually like building the bones that had 1241 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,720 Speaker 3: solid process. And that's the intermensional realm of business where 1242 00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,520 Speaker 3: you can have to acknowledge what the shen is, the 1243 00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,440 Speaker 3: shen being in what I call the evolutionary purpose. And 1244 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,920 Speaker 3: so I talked about my muse, and my muse has 1245 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,960 Speaker 3: what I call a source idea, and my source idea 1246 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:12,080 Speaker 3: is still mine and it's an refined expression of my news, 1247 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,640 Speaker 3: and I'm decided to go through the process of starting 1248 01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,360 Speaker 3: a business with that source idea and that source idea 1249 01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,360 Speaker 3: and feeling for me was just like fuck this this 1250 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,280 Speaker 3: culture of degenerative disease, but where it gets accepted and 1251 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,880 Speaker 3: fuck seeing old people lost in their own minds. It 1252 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,040 Speaker 3: really that's the idea. And so where the birth of 1253 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,760 Speaker 3: super Feast comes out, the source ideas stays mine. And 1254 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,760 Speaker 3: at the beginning, the source idea is essentially the mother 1255 01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,959 Speaker 3: and holding what becomes the evolutionary purpose. And then once 1256 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,240 Speaker 3: that's born, you know that umbilical cord like that my 1257 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,080 Speaker 3: sillial connection remains and you need to refine how to 1258 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:57,360 Speaker 3: express that evolutionary purpose essentially statement of the organization, the 1259 01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 3: business or the movement or whatever it is, and it 1260 01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,680 Speaker 3: has to stay in harmony and resonance with that source idea. 1261 01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:08,080 Speaker 3: Otherwise that's when you've gone against the laws of creation 1262 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,480 Speaker 3: in this type of business that I and so that's 1263 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,760 Speaker 3: that essentially becomes the connection to the sheen of the company. 1264 01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,200 Speaker 3: And it's really easy to live there where you know, 1265 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,720 Speaker 3: to you know, for superfeas it's refined, you know, into 1266 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:26,760 Speaker 3: that like that direction to dramatically reduce degeneration, unnecessary degeneration, 1267 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,320 Speaker 3: and support people to you know, have the capacity to 1268 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,760 Speaker 3: enter into elderhood. Like that's where it is now that 1269 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,960 Speaker 3: can that language and can refine because in the beginning 1270 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,720 Speaker 3: it was like to eliminate degeneration, and it just it 1271 01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,920 Speaker 3: actually had me abandon it because I was like, this 1272 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,120 Speaker 3: is I'm growing up now, I'm not as naive as 1273 01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:44,960 Speaker 3: I was. And then I kind of abandoned the statement. 1274 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,520 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, got to grow up as a 1275 01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,560 Speaker 3: business motion, you know, you leave that behind. And then 1276 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:50,680 Speaker 3: found I was like, I'm actually lost my way. I've 1277 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,240 Speaker 3: lost my connection to that which my mews created and 1278 01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,000 Speaker 3: I'm the steward of this and I'm the one that 1279 01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,480 Speaker 3: needs to facilitate it and found it again when okay, yeah, 1280 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,880 Speaker 3: that language of you know, like it was dramatically reduced 1281 01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,720 Speaker 3: and we just went through another refinement recently and we 1282 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,920 Speaker 3: had to make a new CEO come on board who 1283 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,520 Speaker 3: really gets it and how to facilitate this. And so 1284 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,280 Speaker 3: I'm living in that shen and living in the expression 1285 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,760 Speaker 3: of the personality of the business. The virtues, you know, 1286 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,040 Speaker 3: it's just like the virtues is the you know, is 1287 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,200 Speaker 3: indicative as the spirits of the organs are expressed, you 1288 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,880 Speaker 3: can feel the virtuousness of each and you know, the 1289 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,320 Speaker 3: virtues or the values of the business caller, there's something 1290 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,440 Speaker 3: that emerged through behaving in a certain way, through the 1291 01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,720 Speaker 3: ch moving in a certain way, and through having particular 1292 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,080 Speaker 3: principles that are abided by, you know, so that they 1293 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,880 Speaker 3: express and it's really easy to live there. So that's 1294 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,240 Speaker 3: one area that you do live and that's that needs 1295 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,040 Speaker 3: to be. That's the core place that you as a 1296 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,400 Speaker 3: founder of CEO or whatever name you call it, you know, 1297 01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,640 Speaker 3: can can conduct or whatever lives and you're like the 1298 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,480 Speaker 3: pericardium around that protective layer around the heart but then 1299 01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,720 Speaker 3: you need to be able to maneuver into the layers 1300 01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,120 Speaker 3: of chi. And that means you need to step out 1301 01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,000 Speaker 3: of that realm that's dominated by shen and step into 1302 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,320 Speaker 3: the realm that is dominated by chi. And the ch 1303 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,680 Speaker 3: is that area that brings animation and its senses and 1304 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,080 Speaker 3: brings life, and it brings suggestions of pathways that we 1305 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,640 Speaker 3: can take that are in the most harmony with nature 1306 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,800 Speaker 3: and the most harmony with the universe. And you know, 1307 01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,800 Speaker 3: looking up at that that shn and then being informed 1308 01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,000 Speaker 3: by it as it distributes to the body and brings 1309 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,080 Speaker 3: vitality to the company and bringing and so that's team, 1310 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,600 Speaker 3: especially the team are not the ging. So this is 1311 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,480 Speaker 3: the fucking thing that people say in business that like, 1312 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,000 Speaker 3: you know, the team is like the heart and soul. 1313 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,720 Speaker 3: I fucking hate it when people say that. I think 1314 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,440 Speaker 3: it's so inappropriate to the to the source idea and 1315 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,480 Speaker 3: the means, it's so inappropriate to the founder, it's so 1316 01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,240 Speaker 3: inappropriate to the business to not and it's so inappropriate 1317 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,120 Speaker 3: to the team to tell the team. That's like saying 1318 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,439 Speaker 3: to you know, your significant other that you're the heart, 1319 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,360 Speaker 3: you're my heart and soul. You know, have something that 1320 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:56,480 Speaker 3: that's that's it's complete bypassing modern y purpose bullshit. And 1321 01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:02,960 Speaker 3: the team. What the team do and require the cultivation 1322 01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,760 Speaker 3: of is a connection to their unique expression and their 1323 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,080 Speaker 3: shen and when they step into the infrastructure of the 1324 01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,880 Speaker 3: ging of the role. So the role has a description, 1325 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,360 Speaker 3: the role has a purpose statement, and the role is 1326 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,480 Speaker 3: you sit down and it's got particular rhythms and things 1327 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,680 Speaker 3: that it's responsible of for. It's got particular critical drivers, 1328 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,720 Speaker 3: but it is not the human. The human sits down 1329 01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,320 Speaker 3: and animates it. And because the human can bring their soul, 1330 01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,240 Speaker 3: this is like a really good helocracy distinction of role 1331 01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,760 Speaker 3: vers soul, which is in our superfees classic, which is 1332 01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,360 Speaker 3: our constitution that needs to be acknowledged. So this is 1333 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,400 Speaker 3: the area of chi and you can see that's the 1334 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,840 Speaker 3: chi interacting with the ging of the business. So the 1335 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,240 Speaker 3: ging is the potential unless we refine those critical drivers 1336 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,560 Speaker 3: within that role which inform the whoever's driving it to say, 1337 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,840 Speaker 3: these are the activities that you need to take that 1338 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,240 Speaker 3: are going to lead you to the successful manifestation of 1339 01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,800 Speaker 3: the purpose of your role. That's the ging, and the 1340 01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,920 Speaker 3: soul comes in in senses, where is there a gap 1341 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,000 Speaker 3: in this ecosystem that if I followed the tension, I 1342 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,560 Speaker 3: followed the possibility. I'm going to build something and I'll 1343 01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,760 Speaker 3: find other roles that care about this, and we're going 1344 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,080 Speaker 3: to build something that's mutually like mutually beneficial, and then 1345 01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,800 Speaker 3: that goes into governance that gets given to the people, 1346 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,920 Speaker 3: those people on those like C suite executive levels to 1347 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,480 Speaker 3: go great. Now, let's lay out the gin here of 1348 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,840 Speaker 3: this business. We need to make this change to the 1349 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,640 Speaker 3: tasks that fall under that role because it's no longer relevant. 1350 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,600 Speaker 3: This department is starting to care about this a lot more. 1351 01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,840 Speaker 3: So we need to that needs to land. And so 1352 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,240 Speaker 3: for creatives, that's the area you're going to have the 1353 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,840 Speaker 3: least desire to go to because it's such it's so strong, 1354 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,000 Speaker 3: and you're building something. In the beginning, you think, yeah, 1355 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,160 Speaker 3: but you think there's no adaptability there. If I'm just 1356 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,400 Speaker 3: you know, people just know what they're doing, it's fine, 1357 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,800 Speaker 3: and it's god fuck. It's been the biggest journey for 1358 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,640 Speaker 3: me to pull my finger out and be like, if 1359 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,000 Speaker 3: you're going to be the parent or the steward of 1360 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,120 Speaker 3: this and honor not just the source idea, but the 1361 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,720 Speaker 3: evolutionary purpose of this thing. That you created. You need 1362 01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,240 Speaker 3: to be able to enter into the realms of ging, 1363 01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,640 Speaker 3: need to be able to enter into the realms of 1364 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,040 Speaker 3: balance sheets. You need to be able to enter into 1365 01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,520 Speaker 3: the realm of like, yes, you're going to do things different, 1366 01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,680 Speaker 3: we've got policies that other businesses don't, but we also 1367 01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,320 Speaker 3: need to acknowledge national standards in order to ensure that 1368 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,640 Speaker 3: the foundations are correct and if something happened to me, 1369 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,560 Speaker 3: that the business would be able to continue to maintain. 1370 01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,880 Speaker 3: This is kind of obvious shit, but it's to be 1371 01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,439 Speaker 3: able to enter in the realms of jing chi shen 1372 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,320 Speaker 3: within business, likewise, within yourself and your cultivation practice, rather 1373 01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,240 Speaker 3: than just getting stuck in one being like it's fine 1374 01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,920 Speaker 3: Shen's she is the only place I need to stick 1375 01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,440 Speaker 3: or people in who practice Chi gung just get obsessed 1376 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,520 Speaker 3: with the chi realm and they just constantly like, oh 1377 01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,960 Speaker 3: my god, I can't believe I'm moving all this chi, 1378 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,680 Speaker 3: and it's just like now what are you doing with it? 1379 01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,280 Speaker 3: You know, like now you need to go into your 1380 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,400 Speaker 3: that stillness practice that is so still that connects to 1381 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,880 Speaker 3: your you know, not only your prenatal chi, but then 1382 01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,800 Speaker 3: pre heavenly chi that like most infinite capacity for you 1383 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:56,200 Speaker 3: to touch your intentions here. So yeah, Jing, we kind 1384 01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:57,000 Speaker 3: of talking about that. 1385 01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,680 Speaker 1: No, I love it. I love it. I love it. 1386 01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,440 Speaker 2: I could talk to you all friggin day long. You 1387 01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,240 Speaker 2: are amazing. I can't believe've already gone over an hour. 1388 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,440 Speaker 2: So I'm like, I guess my Like, I've got two. 1389 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:11,280 Speaker 1: Questions I really want to ask. 1390 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,600 Speaker 2: So one thing is like you've definitely touched on this 1391 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,200 Speaker 2: through what you offer people. But and this is like 1392 01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,640 Speaker 2: such a hot topic at the moment, but like longevity 1393 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,720 Speaker 2: and you're talking about like is it more like gracefully aged? 1394 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,840 Speaker 1: Like entering into do you call elderlihood? What do you 1395 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:28,040 Speaker 1: call it? 1396 01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,400 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I know, Like I mean the word elder's 1397 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,520 Speaker 3: got some charge around it, but I do use it, 1398 01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,560 Speaker 3: I think for each individual to enter into the realms 1399 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:35,120 Speaker 3: of elderhood. 1400 01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:35,360 Speaker 1: Again. 1401 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but like, if people are listening to this, are like, right, okay, 1402 01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,920 Speaker 2: Like I want to make one change to myself and obviously, 1403 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,240 Speaker 2: like every human being, it's like a thumb print, right 1404 01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:44,240 Speaker 2: where all completely different. 1405 01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,080 Speaker 1: Our constitutions are completely different. 1406 01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,000 Speaker 2: But like, if someone listening to this is like, you know, 1407 01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,640 Speaker 2: what's something that I can do to help my future 1408 01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,880 Speaker 2: self when I'm eighty or ninety, might have grandkids, great 1409 01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,360 Speaker 2: grandkids running around. What's something that people could just make 1410 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,320 Speaker 2: a change tomorrow. 1411 01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,400 Speaker 3: I mean, I think in terms of making a change, 1412 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I think the change is just like just 1413 01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,560 Speaker 3: if you can just not bypass that the really charged 1414 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,880 Speaker 3: thing that you're doing that you're like, I'm sure I'll 1415 01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,640 Speaker 3: be able to like continue to do that and to 1416 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,240 Speaker 3: where I need to be as an elder. Just acknowledge 1417 01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,760 Speaker 3: you're just not You're like, if it's there, you're just not. 1418 01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,840 Speaker 3: You need to be certain of what you know what 1419 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:24,960 Speaker 3: that means to enter into the realms of elderhood, which 1420 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,519 Speaker 3: essentially it's some capacity. It's where you've looked at your 1421 01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,040 Speaker 3: own death so that you can have all your little 1422 01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,800 Speaker 3: your little deaths, your legal deaths as you go along 1423 01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,240 Speaker 3: and gotten so comfortable with death that you actually start 1424 01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,439 Speaker 3: marching towards it, and everything becomes the capacity to prepare 1425 01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,320 Speaker 3: for death. And that's what I see in terms of longevity, 1426 01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,160 Speaker 3: where it happens, I don't know, you know, yes, there's 1427 01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,240 Speaker 3: life extension, and I think that's it's a core part. 1428 01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,639 Speaker 3: It's cool part. Some Taoist paths are like all about 1429 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,800 Speaker 3: physical life extension. But for me, I think there's just like, 1430 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,280 Speaker 3: you know, what's going to what's it going to take 1431 01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,040 Speaker 3: for you to be like, yeah, I'm going to like 1432 01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,719 Speaker 3: I can now choose when I'm going to die, essentially, 1433 01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:03,240 Speaker 3: And that's and that's a thought that becomes comfortable. And 1434 01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,080 Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm there. But if you if you 1435 01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,320 Speaker 3: think about that and you're like, well, fuck, I don't know, like, 1436 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,000 Speaker 3: then you're going to have to track back through some 1437 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,080 Speaker 3: shit of what you're doing and acknowledge there's a thing 1438 01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,920 Speaker 3: that'll be sticking out like a sore thumb that'll be 1439 01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:15,880 Speaker 3: like Noah, that's it. That's where you focus and it 1440 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,599 Speaker 3: doesn't matter how long it takes, however many years. That's 1441 01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,680 Speaker 3: the one you're going to focus on. But don't just 1442 01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,200 Speaker 3: stop it and go to like, you know, whatever the 1443 01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,960 Speaker 3: equivalent of like an AA thing and just be like, 1444 01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,880 Speaker 3: don't because that's already and that's not going to make 1445 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,400 Speaker 3: you an elder. You need to like you need to 1446 01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,840 Speaker 3: walk through the eye of the needle into into whatever 1447 01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:33,719 Speaker 3: it is. That's probably that's the number one practice. 1448 01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:39,760 Speaker 2: Wow, you ended this really like so very solidly and 1449 01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,640 Speaker 2: very honestly, and I appreciate that. 1450 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:41,920 Speaker 3: Man. 1451 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,240 Speaker 2: My last thing which I asked most people that come 1452 01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,720 Speaker 2: on this pod, but is there something that and it 1453 01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,280 Speaker 2: might be you've just answered it then, but. 1454 01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,080 Speaker 1: Is there anything that you live. 1455 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,360 Speaker 2: By, like day to day on a like a it 1456 01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:56,400 Speaker 2: can just be like on a mantra is probably the 1457 01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:57,840 Speaker 2: wrong word, but do you know what I mean? Like 1458 01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,320 Speaker 2: a choice that you may where you're going to honor 1459 01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:05,080 Speaker 2: that day to day, whether it's it can be psychological, physical. 1460 01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, when I I've got like it needs a new 1461 01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,040 Speaker 3: it needs a rebrand. But I have a thing called 1462 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,200 Speaker 3: like an awesome list because I, yes, I've been naive 1463 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,559 Speaker 3: when I was like a kid in my twenties and 1464 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,160 Speaker 3: have like I want to do this at some point 1465 01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,120 Speaker 3: in my life and then you're like, all right, grow up, Mason. 1466 01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,519 Speaker 3: But I do write them all down and put them 1467 01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,519 Speaker 3: on my awesome list because when it does excite me, 1468 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,519 Speaker 3: it's like, yes, I don't think I've had a real 1469 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,400 Speaker 3: logical approach and it maybe it came from escapism, but 1470 01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,160 Speaker 3: that doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater. 1471 01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,200 Speaker 3: So those dreams, I keep them on an awesome list, 1472 01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,720 Speaker 3: and it's just there's something that I have that's potentially 1473 01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,920 Speaker 3: going to have significance when I wave it back in. 1474 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,000 Speaker 3: So I think that's one of my practices. I go 1475 01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,200 Speaker 3: again excavating to the past of when you did say 1476 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,240 Speaker 3: and that's what happened with comedy. I was like, oh, 1477 01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:51,000 Speaker 3: well that's past because and remember at nineteen my like 1478 01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,320 Speaker 3: saying like could we do this, and we were worth like, no, 1479 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:54,920 Speaker 3: there's no way we're going to be able to do this. 1480 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,479 Speaker 3: So we went down different paths and I was like, no, 1481 01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,600 Speaker 3: I'm going to pick that back up likewise, you know, 1482 01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,000 Speaker 3: fire cooking, you know, like wise, you know things like 1483 01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,160 Speaker 3: you know, it could be silly things like guitar, but 1484 01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:04,560 Speaker 3: don't put it on a bucket list. Put it on 1485 01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,720 Speaker 3: an awesome list, because then that's some you can do that. 1486 01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,360 Speaker 3: You get it all down slowly, you do, get the 1487 01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,519 Speaker 3: systems in place where you weave them in and it's yeah, 1488 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,880 Speaker 3: and it's and sometimes you're going to be like with comedy, 1489 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,040 Speaker 3: I'm like, how far did I did? I need to 1490 01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,200 Speaker 3: take that? And now I'm thinking about that, I'm like, 1491 01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,240 Speaker 3: I've done it, and now I get to sit with it. 1492 01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,599 Speaker 3: It doesn't sit there as like a regret kind of thing. Yeah, 1493 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,360 Speaker 3: now I go, oh, I wonder where the next thing 1494 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,160 Speaker 3: that comes into my awesome list and refinement comes. That's 1495 01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,040 Speaker 3: a good excavation practice to not let it go, none 1496 01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:33,640 Speaker 3: of those dreams and don't think you've got to do 1497 01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:34,519 Speaker 3: it all at once, you know. 1498 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that, Mason, You're a legend. Thank you 1499 01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,920 Speaker 1: so much for sharing your time with me. I really 1500 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:40,720 Speaker 1: appreciate it. 1501 01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,240 Speaker 3: Thank you heaps of fun. 1502 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,839 Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. 1503 01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,000 Speaker 1: As always, thank you to. 1504 01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,760 Speaker 2: Our guests, and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. 1505 01:11:55,320 --> 01:12:00,439 Speaker 1: I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. 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