Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, a young
Speaker 1: woman is claiming the husband of a well known Aussie
Speaker 1: influencer has impregnated her. Anna macavoy calls Matt Sakowski out
Speaker 1: for not inviting her to his joint Bucks party and
Speaker 1: the cookie pop up labeled a scam. But first, twin
Speaker 1: sisters and influencers, Bridget and Dannielle for Long have shocked
Speaker 1: the Internet after revealing they share their underwear and only
Speaker 1: have one brush between them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, the twenty seven year old influencers share over seven
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five thousand followers on Instagram, and they
Speaker 1: were interviewed on the Gows on the Go podcast when
Speaker 1: they made the shot confession. Let's have a listen to
Speaker 1: what they said.
Speaker 3: We only have one bra.
Speaker 1: We okay, stop, and we share underwear. So we share
Speaker 1: underwear like a share drawer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we only have one brad because it bras.
Speaker 3: But whenever we need a bra, we're like, wait, we're
Speaker 3: fighting over it, and well right.
Speaker 4: Now I'm worried.
Speaker 3: But ones need ones black, and and I just like
Speaker 3: know what that is so niche, like the shares are
Speaker 3: going to be like you guys are just.
Speaker 1: As a triplet. I kind of get the sharing of underpants.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's told me not to say this, but I
Speaker 1: kind of get it, because if you live together and
Speaker 1: you're doing the washing, sometimes you might get confused about
Speaker 1: which pairs yours. But what has stumped me is the
Speaker 1: fact that they share bras, Like that is a sure
Speaker 1: fire way to have a huge argument, because what if
Speaker 1: one day you're wearing a white top, or you're both
Speaker 1: wearing white tops and you want the white bra, Like
Speaker 1: that's just pandemonium. Well, I actually think it's more revolting
Speaker 1: to share underpants than it is a bra. They get washed,
Speaker 1: just like this stuff going on. Like I think when
Speaker 1: we were kids, we probably incidentally shared underpants because whose
Speaker 1: parent is really separating their undies? But when we moved
Speaker 1: in together, it was clear, these are my undies, these
Speaker 1: are your unders. Some of them could have been mixed up,
Speaker 1: but I'm off, I'm pretty chilled with this sort of
Speaker 1: stuff like that discuss me. Like, to be honest, I've
Speaker 1: got a couple of pairs of cats underpants at my
Speaker 1: house that somehow got intertwined when we moved, and I
Speaker 1: just wear them like, oh, I don't care. This is disgusting,
Speaker 1: and I just can sense some kind of daily mail article.
Speaker 4: Hopefully who cares they get what?
Speaker 1: It's funny because you just mentioned about the white and
Speaker 1: the black bra. Because after the girls made the confession
Speaker 1: on this podcast, one of the hosts said, well, who's
Speaker 1: wearing the bra today? And they said, well, actually we
Speaker 1: both have a bra on, so we have one black
Speaker 1: bra and one white bra. But things do get heated
Speaker 1: if they need that one colored bra. Yeah, well I can.
Speaker 1: That's just stupid, like just go and buy a bra each.
Speaker 1: Obviously well off as well. They've got seven hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand followers. Maybe this was a ploy to
Speaker 1: get some launderie brands to send them some on the surprise,
Speaker 1: I mean, as if they haven't had any already sending
Speaker 1: them stuff. I also think it's because it's a new
Speaker 1: cool girl young thing not to wear bras anymore. Like
Speaker 1: I've heard on the grapevine that small perky tits is
Speaker 1: apparently in fashion. I mean, I don't know when it
Speaker 1: went out of fashion, having perky tits, but it happily
Speaker 1: everyone wants small tits.
Speaker 4: So we are in fashion amy.
Speaker 1: Yes, well I did notice this because a lot of
Speaker 1: the mannequins in the stores don't have bras on as well.
Speaker 1: How old does that make me sound? But a lot
Speaker 1: of people have had a lot of opinions on this online.
Speaker 1: So there were twins who were weighing into the comment
Speaker 1: section of the now viral podcast clip. One twin said,
Speaker 1: my twin and I don't even hug, let alone share underwear.
Speaker 1: No straight to jail, and otherwise said my twin and
Speaker 1: I would first fight every day if we did this. Now,
Speaker 1: there were some other sisters defending the girl's decision, and
Speaker 1: they said, well, they have the same DNA. Well, another
Speaker 1: twin said, she and her sister also do this. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's weird. I actually do not think it's
Speaker 1: weird at all.
Speaker 4: I mean, a twenty.
Speaker 1: Seven to share underpay.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's weird because they probably live together.
Speaker 1: It's probably very difficult, they're.
Speaker 4: The same size.
Speaker 1: It's an I mean, it's quite a smart decision because
Speaker 1: you only have to do one load of washing, Like
Speaker 1: I share a towel with my partner. That's gross. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: you're a grub and I'm concerned now that do you
Speaker 1: have my underwear in your house?
Speaker 4: No, you've got I wouldn't fucking take your underwear.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, old bond shit. So if I've said to you, Sophie, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like say you had to get changed,
Speaker 1: I was like, here's a pair of my underpants. You
Speaker 1: can wear them. Would you wear them?
Speaker 4: Depends what type they were.
Speaker 1: I would not if you said, I'd have the fucking
Speaker 1: difference between socks.
Speaker 4: There's something intimate about sharing someone's underpants.
Speaker 1: I think it's weird.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: What I love about these girls is they have been
Speaker 1: having fun with this. So they recently shared a TikTok
Speaker 1: joking that they were finally moving away from each other
Speaker 1: after living together their whole lives, and in the video,
Speaker 1: the girls are seen fighting over the nude bra. I
Speaker 1: wonder if they were caught off guard about this, because
Speaker 1: you know, there's some like multiple like twin triplet things
Speaker 1: that you think are normal and then suddenly when you
Speaker 1: repeat it to another person, you're like, oh, fuck, this
Speaker 1: is actually quite weird. No, I think they were aware
Speaker 1: that they were going to shit over this. We're going
Speaker 1: to put something up on our Instagram and in our
Speaker 1: Facebook community. Any twins, triplets, sisters reach out?
Speaker 4: Do you share the same underpants? And is it weird?
Speaker 4: Chris paying seventeen dollars fifty for a stale fucking cookie?
Speaker 2: Not me.
Speaker 1: Australian fans of US cookie giant Crumble thought they were
Speaker 1: in for a sweet treat when news broke on social
Speaker 1: media that a pop up shop selling the popular cookies
Speaker 1: was coming to North Bondai.
Speaker 4: However, fans have labeled.
Speaker 1: The pop up store as a scam and accuse the
Speaker 1: organizers of selling stale cookies.
Speaker 4: Amy, I need to know more about this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, a lot of people on TikTok are currently
Speaker 1: saying that this is their Roman Empire. So hundreds of
Speaker 1: people lined up to get their hands on the popular
Speaker 1: cookies after seeing promotions all over Instagram and Facebook from
Speaker 1: an account called Crumble Sydney. Now, for those who haven't
Speaker 1: heard of Crumble, it is a US owned store which
Speaker 1: started in twenty seventeen and it has spread across the
Speaker 1: US and Canada. There are currently no Crumble stores in Australia,
Speaker 1: so this is why a lot of people got excited
Speaker 1: when they heard about the pop up store, and what
Speaker 1: has sparked a lot of anger. Firstly is the price
Speaker 1: of the cookies. So a Crumble cookie in the US
Speaker 1: will set you back around five US dollars, which is
Speaker 1: the equivalent of seven Australian dollars. However, when people arrived
Speaker 1: at this pop up store, they were being charged seventeen
Speaker 1: dollars fifty per cookie. Like, firstly, who has seventeen dollars
Speaker 1: fifty in this cost of living crists to spend on
Speaker 1: a cookie? That is extortion. I'm sorry, that is absolutely
Speaker 1: taking the piss and taking advantage of people. Well, you
Speaker 1: could get a box of five cookies for forty five dollars,
Speaker 1: still fucking crazy. And they were also selling Crumble cookie
Speaker 1: cutters for a whopping seventy five dollars each one cookie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh fuck Wait what's the shape of the cookie cutter?
Speaker 1: What a circle? Yeah? Nothing that remarkable. And a lot
Speaker 1: of the people in this line were actually TikTokers because
Speaker 1: people were wanting to do a lot of the taste
Speaker 1: test videos. So I saw one woman on TikTok who
Speaker 1: had bought ten cookies costing one hundred and seventy five dollars. Now,
Speaker 1: the shit really hit the fan after the pop up
Speaker 1: when dozens of disappointed customers hit out at the organizers
Speaker 1: on social media and they started to complain that the
Speaker 1: cookies tasted stale, and it became evident that the event
Speaker 1: was not a real Crumble pop up, and unhappy customers
Speaker 1: started labeling the organizers as deceptive and dishonest. Now can
Speaker 1: you believe that it has actually come out that the
Speaker 1: event was organized by some randoms who basically just flew
Speaker 1: to the US, bought a thousand Crumble cookies over there,
Speaker 1: and flew them back like that is a reality.
Speaker 4: Wait now, then how did they fly them all back? Though?
Speaker 1: Like what they brought? So many suits? They cases or
Speaker 1: sent them. I mean, no, one of these things was stale.
Speaker 1: They'll probably tasted like rocks, I know. So everything basically
Speaker 1: began unraveling online, and that's when the organizers shut down
Speaker 1: their Instagram page and they started removing all of their
Speaker 1: posts on TikTok and they tried to distance themselves from
Speaker 1: this firestorm. So the backlash prompted the organizers to finally
Speaker 1: release a statement which is linked on their TikTok account,
Speaker 1: and it's funny because they've since changed their bio so
Speaker 1: it now reads not endorsed by Crumble, just fans importing now.
Speaker 1: The release they put out was incredibly detailed, and I
Speaker 1: think this is because this is becoming a huge story.
Speaker 1: It's making international headlines. And in the statement they confirmed
Speaker 1: they were not officially Crumble, but claimed it was clearly
Speaker 1: stated in their bio and comments. They wrote, our goal
Speaker 1: was to bring the authentic Crumble cookies to Australia by
Speaker 1: importing the cookies directly from the USA. They also confirmed
Speaker 1: that the cookies were genuine Crumble cookies because there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people on TikTok saying well did they
Speaker 1: just bring in the boxes and make their own cookies,
Speaker 1: So they confirmed that they traveled to the US to
Speaker 1: purchase them and they imported them with their original packaging.
Speaker 1: They even included receipts to show exactly how much they
Speaker 1: paid for the cookies. The statement also addressed the trademark
Speaker 1: concern saying at no point did they use their trademark
Speaker 1: in their videos on TikTok. But if you look at
Speaker 1: all of the videos on TikTok of the pop up
Speaker 1: store that other people are sharing, you can clearly see
Speaker 1: that the Crumble logo is on a lot of the
Speaker 1: marketing material now in regards to food stanits because there
Speaker 1: was a lot of concern by TikTok users saying, well,
Speaker 1: what would have happened if someone got seriously ill from
Speaker 1: one of these cookies?
Speaker 4: And how old are they?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so a lot of people were actually saying I
Speaker 1: actually felt quite sick after consuming one. So the organizers
Speaker 1: claim that the Crumble cookies should be kept at room
Speaker 1: temperature in an air tight container for up to three
Speaker 1: days or refrigerated for ups a day for a cookie
Speaker 1: to last, particularly when you consider the fact that they're
Speaker 1: full of sugar, which makes them last longer. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: would have been awful. So the organizer said, we kept
Speaker 1: them to these requirements. Some were warm to enhance their texture,
Speaker 1: which is what Crumble does as well. I mean, what
Speaker 1: kind of proof do they have though, because they were
Speaker 1: importing a huge amount of cookies into the country, Like,
Speaker 1: I highly doubt that these were refrigerated. Now, things got
Speaker 1: really juicy when they released information on their apparent profits
Speaker 1: and costs. So the organizers claimed it was never about
Speaker 1: making money from this pop up. They said it was
Speaker 1: all about bringing the cookies to crumble fans. So is
Speaker 1: that why they charged extortionate prices and seventy five dollars
Speaker 1: for a fucking cookie cutter? Like, come on, I think
Speaker 1: they know they're in the wrong because they've even itemized
Speaker 1: their costs. So they've said they spent four thousand dollars
Speaker 1: on flights and luggage to get the cookies back. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they probably went over and had a bit
Speaker 1: of a holiday in the US. Yeah, go over to
Speaker 1: get cookies. Oh, it was all very professional. Why am
Speaker 1: I getting in my head newman from Seinfeld when he
Speaker 1: was brought in with all of the bad of muffins,
Speaker 1: Like for some reason, I just imagine this, you know,
Speaker 1: just all these cookies in different suitcases makes me feel sick.
Speaker 1: They also said that they spent six thousand dollars on
Speaker 1: the cookies and packaging, two thousand dollars on duties and
Speaker 1: taxes because they did claim the cookies when they brought
Speaker 1: them into Australia, and they said they spent over one
Speaker 1: thousand dollars on staff fees. So this equals thirteen thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in costs. Now, if you do the sums they
Speaker 1: had around one thousand cookies which they were selling for
Speaker 1: seventeen dollars fifty so I'm not taking into account the
Speaker 1: cookie cutters, but they would have made around seventeen and
Speaker 1: a half grand. So they're trying to imply that they
Speaker 1: only made a profit of four and a half grand.
Speaker 1: I mean, would you really go to all of this
Speaker 1: effort for four and a half grand? Well, I feel
Speaker 1: like they would have made a fuck time if anyone
Speaker 1: was buying those cookie cutters as well. But it's clear
Speaker 1: that they did this for a profit. They didn't just
Speaker 1: do it out of the goodness of their hearts, because
Speaker 1: they're so keen to bring these cookies to Australia and
Speaker 1: it's such a dumb move because they've opened themselves up
Speaker 1: to one what if people got really sick from the cookies?
Speaker 1: Two the legalities around taking a brand's name and pretending
Speaker 1: that you're part of that brand. They were on the
Speaker 1: legal front. They also went on to claim in this
Speaker 1: statement that what they did wasn't illegal, so they said
Speaker 1: it is called parallel importing. So parallel importing is defined
Speaker 1: as a business who buys genuine products from overseas and
Speaker 1: imports and sells them in Australia without authorization from the manufacturer.
Speaker 1: So it's also known as gray importing. So a business
Speaker 1: who is supplying parallel imports must one make sure the
Speaker 1: products comply with Australian Product safety and labeling requirements. And
Speaker 1: this is where I think they might be in a
Speaker 1: bit of hot water, because I don't know if they
Speaker 1: can actually say that it complied with Australian Food and
Speaker 1: Safety lord. Where was it written that the cookies had
Speaker 1: to be refrigerated after three days or whatever they're saying.
Speaker 1: Where I think they might get in hot water is
Speaker 1: under the consumer rights section of parail importing. It states
Speaker 1: that people engaging in parallel importing cannot identify a relationship
Speaker 1: or any association between the seller and the manufacturer. And
Speaker 1: they have come out on Instagram and TikTok calling themselves
Speaker 1: Crumble Sydney. If you are Joe Blow and you see that,
Speaker 1: you just assume they are part of the Crumble business.
Speaker 1: This story is everywhere and the Today Show interviewed Sydney
Speaker 1: lawyer Johann Kalanta who weighed in on the debacle. So
Speaker 1: he said it was clearly a case of them scamming
Speaker 1: people and he even went as far as suggesting that
Speaker 1: the real Crumble should pursue legal action. He said, the
Speaker 1: reality is they passed themselves off as Crumble, and once
Speaker 1: they were called out online, all of a sudden, they
Speaker 1: were claiming they're just cookie enthusiasts. They said they were
Speaker 1: just here to provide an experience or a taste, but
Speaker 1: as a trademark infringement. Now it's unclear whether the company
Speaker 1: will actually take legal action against his pop up stores.
Speaker 1: So far, we have only heard from one of Crumble's
Speaker 1: co founders, Sawyer Hemsley. So he actually commented on an
Speaker 1: Australian tiktoker's video and she had obtained ten of the
Speaker 1: Crumble cookies from Sydney and he wrote, you need to
Speaker 1: try them fresh in the USPS. This pop up is
Speaker 1: not affiliated with Crumble Cookie, so it's quite clear the
Speaker 1: big wigs are aware of what is happening. Now, Sophie,
Speaker 1: do you think this is actually good or bad pr
Speaker 1: for Crumble? I've never heard of Crumble before, which I
Speaker 1: mean people are probably like, what the hell, But I haven't.
Speaker 1: I've never traveled to America, so I don't understand the
Speaker 1: total craze over this cookie. So For me, it's maybe
Speaker 1: more curious to think about wonder what it tastes like,
Speaker 1: wonder what the different flavors are.
Speaker 4: And clearly the.
Speaker 1: Fact that there were thousands of people or hundreds of
Speaker 1: people lining the street and willing to pay seventeen fifty
Speaker 1: for a cookie, it shows that they must be delicious,
Speaker 1: and it shows that it's a brand that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of interest and intrigue around. Well, this pop up
Speaker 1: star has almost done a lot of hardin lifting for
Speaker 1: Crumble because they've already tested the market for them. They
Speaker 1: know people want it desperately. But I think there are
Speaker 1: aspects that's quite bad for Crumble because a lot of
Speaker 1: people might not have been able to differentiate between the
Speaker 1: real Crumble store and this pop up and they might
Speaker 1: assume that this is what their cookies taste like, old
Speaker 1: and stale. Well, so it's probably good for Crumble that
Speaker 1: there has been so much publicity around it, though we'll
Speaker 1: have to wait and see what actually happens to the organizers.
Speaker 1: I think this will not be the last we hear
Speaker 1: of this story.
Speaker 5: You were fucking about to blow this man's lifer.
Speaker 1: Popular author Kate Forster has dropped a bomb on TikTok
Speaker 1: revealing that the husband of a well known Aussie influencer
Speaker 1: has allegedly impregnated a young woman he was having an
Speaker 1: affair with. Now, before we get into the weeds, as
Speaker 1: a refresher, who is Kate Forster. Well, her name will
Speaker 1: sound familiar because back in August we discussed how she'd
Speaker 1: gone viral for calling out the Henny Cardigan that was
Speaker 1: actually one of my favorites in a long time, And
Speaker 1: since then she has exploded in popularity on TikTok. She
Speaker 1: has over sixty thousand followers, and she offers advice and
Speaker 1: she does funny reviews.
Speaker 4: I absolutely love her content.
Speaker 1: I think she is a legend and she's really taken
Speaker 1: on this new role of an agony art, which is
Speaker 1: why I think so many people feel comfortable sending her
Speaker 1: in gossip.
Speaker 4: Because she said that her dms are full.
Speaker 1: Of information about influencers or people in the public eye,
Speaker 1: and she doesn't know what people want her to do
Speaker 1: with the information. Now, usually Kate sits on information like this, However,
Speaker 1: she decided to reveal a few details, so on TikTok
Speaker 1: she shared a video entitled Secrets in the Dms and
Speaker 1: added the tea is brewing now. In this video, Kate
Speaker 1: revealed that a woman in her early twenties is allegedly
Speaker 1: having an affair with the husband of a quite well
Speaker 1: known Aussie influencer. Now, the young woman claims she is
Speaker 1: now pregnant and wants to keep the baby, but the
Speaker 1: husband is adamant he doesn't want to keep it and
Speaker 1: has not told his wife about the affair. Now, the
Speaker 1: reason that Kate chose to divulge this rumor is because
Speaker 1: she believes the information is true. Here's what she said.
Speaker 5: It's just the wife is selling this lifestyle and it's
Speaker 5: not like that because the husband is fucking groping for
Speaker 5: trout in a peculiar river, as Shakespeare once said. So
Speaker 5: as far as I could tell, and she sent me
Speaker 5: some Instagram receipts, I think it is true. And I
Speaker 5: said to her, you are fucking about to blow this
Speaker 5: man's life up if you go public with his because
Speaker 5: she wants to go public. And I said, and you're
Speaker 5: going to blow the wife's life up because she clearly
Speaker 5: doesn't know, or it looks like she doesn't know. I
Speaker 5: don't know. You can't tell anything about social media.
Speaker 1: I feel really sorry for this particular influencer if this
Speaker 1: is true, because it would be awful having all of
Speaker 1: these people know this information about you but you don't
Speaker 1: know anything about it yet. Yeah, I feel a lot
Speaker 1: of sympathy for her as well. Kate was careful not
Speaker 1: to outline too many distinguishing details about the couple to
Speaker 1: the point where I'm struggling to figure out who it
Speaker 1: is myself, and I think it would be irresponsible for
Speaker 1: us to even guess guess who it is because we
Speaker 1: have no idea. We don't even know if this story
Speaker 1: is true. This is just a rumor now. The only
Speaker 1: real clues are that the wife is an Aussie influencer
Speaker 1: who is trying to build a TikTok following, so that
Speaker 1: could be so many people, and that the couple are
Speaker 1: selling this lifestyle that doesn't appear to be true. So
Speaker 1: I'm guessing they post about having the perfect family and
Speaker 1: the perfect relationship and our in defense of this Oussie influencer.
Speaker 1: If she doesn't know about the cheating, maybe she thinks
Speaker 1: that her and her husband do have a perfect relationship
Speaker 1: and she's been blindsided by the whole thing, so what
Speaker 1: she is sharing online feels real to her.
Speaker 4: If that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, we've spoken about it before. A
Speaker 1: lot of what you see on Instagram and TikTok, we
Speaker 1: all know it's fake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well this just makes me feel so because can.
Speaker 1: You imagine if your husband was having an affair and
Speaker 1: instead of him or this woman coming to you privately
Speaker 1: and telling you what happened, you find out by literally
Speaker 1: a TikTok video like someone going public about it online,
Speaker 1: presumably for Clout as well. He was gonna say, I mean,
Speaker 1: what are her motivations for going public? I mean, if
Speaker 1: she really wants the wife to know, why doesn't she
Speaker 1: just contact her in her DMS and said why does
Speaker 1: I have to be so public? And also why is
Speaker 1: she contacting Kate Forster?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you would DM a total stranger
Speaker 1: about this private information. The only reason I can think
Speaker 1: of is that this woman is incredibly young, and she's
Speaker 1: pregnant at the moment, so she probably feels out of
Speaker 1: control and really vulnerable. And maybe she's going to Kate
Speaker 1: because she's seen her videos online. Maybe she views her
Speaker 1: as a bit of a motherly figure and she can't
Speaker 1: speak to her friends and family in her life. Maybe
Speaker 1: they don't know that this affair has been going on,
Speaker 1: and she doesn't feel like she can trust anyone else,
Speaker 1: or maybe she feels like they're going to her.
Speaker 4: But it is quite a weird thing to do.
Speaker 1: It is really weird. I have noticed this trend on
Speaker 1: TikTok though, where a lot of former influencers or just
Speaker 1: general people are calling out influencers but not naming them
Speaker 1: and saying they've had this run in or this happened
Speaker 1: to an event, and it's kind of I mean, we're
Speaker 1: obviously talking about it now, we're not naming any names,
Speaker 1: but one as a viewer, it's incredibly frustrating because you
Speaker 1: want to know who they're talking about. And I also
Speaker 1: really enjoy it because it's almost that fun game of
Speaker 1: working out who it is, which can be damaging as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the only people who would not be having fun with
Speaker 1: this trend is the influencers themselves, so the tagged in
Speaker 1: the comments section. Yeah. Well, I also think there's probably
Speaker 1: a part of this young woman who wants the information
Speaker 1: to go public, and that's why she's telling Kate. Maybe
Speaker 1: she thinks that by Kate putting this video out there,
Speaker 1: it'll act as a bit of a warning to the
Speaker 1: husband that she means business and maybe it'll force him
Speaker 1: to tell the wife. Let's hope he's following Kate Forster
Speaker 1: so you can see the video.
Speaker 4: I was interested here Kate's advice to the woman.
Speaker 1: So she told her that she is always going to
Speaker 1: be the mistress and that she is basically going to
Speaker 1: fuck up her life by going public with this news.
Speaker 1: She also told her that the husband is probably having
Speaker 1: numerous affairs and she's not special, and that if she
Speaker 1: goes ahead with her pregnancy, her future child is going
Speaker 1: to grow up with this shit. Dad wow. And also
Speaker 1: if the wife does find out, that kid will probably
Speaker 1: never be included in any family things. I mean, advice
Speaker 1: is pretty spot on. Well, she has got a point there,
Speaker 1: because if you think about any traditional media stories that
Speaker 1: come out on mistresses or affairs, it is always the
Speaker 1: woman's fault somehow. Well, it's quite interesting because I don't
Speaker 1: know if Kate has been monitoring her comments section, because
Speaker 1: surprisingly there haven't been many guesses as to who the
Speaker 1: couple is. I think that she's kept it so vague
Speaker 1: that people aren't really sure, which is a good thing
Speaker 1: but also a bad thing because I wonder how many
Speaker 1: married Ossie influences are now suspicious of their husbands over
Speaker 1: this past week, like shaking their phone. She's probably had
Speaker 1: to keep it vague for legal reasons as well, because
Speaker 1: you can't be making it too niche. There aren't that
Speaker 1: many OZSI influencers out there. It's pretty funny because in
Speaker 1: Kate's comment section, people are calling her the real life
Speaker 1: gossip girl and said that her advice was spot on,
Speaker 1: and another follower said, what a loser husband sticking his
Speaker 1: unprotected dick wherever he wants and has a wife at home.
Speaker 1: I hope he gets what he deserved. The response was
Speaker 1: quite mixed in our Facebook group though, because many people
Speaker 1: were saying that they love Kate and she's the best
Speaker 1: thing to happen to TikTok, whilst others felt like she'd
Speaker 1: lost them on this one. They thought it wasn't really funny,
Speaker 1: particularly when children are involved. Well, I'm just surprised it
Speaker 1: hasn't popped up on OZSI influencer updates or something like that.
Speaker 1: I have a bit of a bones pick with you.
Speaker 1: Former Love islander Anna McAvoy has been left off the
Speaker 1: invite list of Tammy Hembro and matt's Kowski's joint Hucks party.
Speaker 1: The festivities are kicking off this weekend on the Gold Coast,
Speaker 1: with Anna making it clear she's hurt not to be included.
Speaker 1: So Anna brought it up on her and Matt's joint podcast.
Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to what she said.
Speaker 2: So, Matt Zukowski, sitting in front of me right here,
Speaker 2: invited my brother before I even copped and invite. I
Speaker 2: actually had to ask for an invite from you, which
Speaker 2: is actually rude crash my hens party.
Speaker 1: But you didn't. You were like, do you have anything
Speaker 1: to ask me? You answered the phone call like that.
Speaker 2: It's just about the fact that we are long term friends.
Speaker 1: Didn't want to be business partners. Do you want to
Speaker 1: waste anyone's time? It would be nice to help an invite. Well,
Speaker 1: did I not say you're more than welcome to come?
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to be more than welcome
Speaker 1: to come. I want to be invited.
Speaker 4: More than welcome to come. Feels like a pity party.
Speaker 1: What an absolute cop out to say.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're more than welcome to come.
Speaker 1: I would not feel comfortable one to book flights to
Speaker 1: the Gold Coast to attend a party where I didn't
Speaker 1: get a proper invite because you would literally feel like
Speaker 1: you were a second thought and as if you were
Speaker 1: intruding on this. So the bad PR train for Matzakowski
Speaker 1: is continuing. It's not a good look for him. I mean,
Speaker 1: Anna sounded genuinely hurt, like you could tell her in
Speaker 1: her voice.
Speaker 4: And there's gonna be so much.
Speaker 1: Hype around this Hucks party as well, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: it's gonna be all over social media. He would feel
Speaker 1: so excluded. It's like a high school when you don't
Speaker 1: get invited to the big party and you know what's
Speaker 1: happening that weekend. And I always think that exclusion is
Speaker 1: a form of bullying, like at school. I wonder if
Speaker 1: it's because it's only Matt's male friends that are coming
Speaker 1: as his half of this Hucks party, or he said
Speaker 1: that he didn't invite her because she doesn't quote unquote
Speaker 1: like the culture that his mates bring when he hangs
Speaker 1: out with them. The douchebag, Well that's what I was
Speaker 1: gonna say. So does that mean he acts like an
Speaker 1: immature jerk around his friends or maybe his friends are
Speaker 1: not trustworthy when they're on the piss like again, that.
Speaker 4: Did not paint a good picture.
Speaker 1: Can I just add in before we get anybody commenting
Speaker 1: in our reviews that we've stuffed up the word Bucks party,
Speaker 1: We're actually referring to a Hucks party. Now that is
Speaker 1: a term for a joint Hens and Bucks party. Well,
Speaker 1: in terms of who he's inviting, he has eight male friends,
Speaker 1: so a handful of them are his groomsmen. So I
Speaker 1: get why it could maybe feel weird if Anna was
Speaker 1: joining them doing all the blokey activities. But I think
Speaker 1: at the heart of this, she could have been invited
Speaker 1: to Tammy's section of it because they're all planning on
Speaker 1: meeting up at the end of the night at this
Speaker 1: airbnb to keep the party going, so she could have
Speaker 1: a bit separate. Yeah, so it's separate, so she but
Speaker 1: but Anna could have hung out with the girls. And
Speaker 1: I get that Tammy maybe having a smaller group of
Speaker 1: close friends, but you think he would try and include
Speaker 1: Anna because she is Matt's close friend and business part Okay,
Speaker 1: now I get it a little bit more. Because I
Speaker 1: initially thought that this Hucks party was one joint party.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize they were having separate things. I think
Speaker 1: maybe this is a case of that Tammy doesn't really
Speaker 1: want her there, and she probably is friendly with Anna,
Speaker 1: but if she's only having super close friends, then having
Speaker 1: Matt's podcast host come there it probably, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it might open the door up for other people who
Speaker 1: now will be offended, but they were invited. I just
Speaker 1: think it plays into these consistent rumors that there's beef
Speaker 1: between the two of them, and that started when Tammy
Speaker 1: was promoting Bondi San's and not Anna's tanning company. And
Speaker 1: then Anna put out this cryptic video which seemed like
Speaker 1: it was about Tammy, which I actually think is all crap.
Speaker 1: But the sad thing is it just sort of buys
Speaker 1: into this theory that they're not close, even though, as
Speaker 1: you say, if you were just having a super tight
Speaker 1: and intimate HENS party, you don't really want hangers on.
Speaker 1: But in this case, it's clear that Anna is upset
Speaker 1: about it, and I think it's also extra rude of
Speaker 1: Matt because Matt attended her Hens party. Yeah, so she
Speaker 1: had a three day event and he dropped past to
Speaker 1: be involved in the game. She said that he crashed
Speaker 1: the party, and it did seem like Tammy wasn't actually invited.
Speaker 1: To Anna's Hen's party as well. But if you think
Speaker 1: about it, that was back in April, so Tammy and
Speaker 1: Matt had only been together for five months, and Anna
Speaker 1: and Tammy don't live in the same state, so it's
Speaker 1: not as though they've exactly had all of this time
Speaker 1: to get close and hang out with each other. But
Speaker 1: now that they are going to be friends for life,
Speaker 1: I do think Anna could have been included. I just
Speaker 1: think it's a case of Matt not explaining things properly
Speaker 1: to Anna and not having that sensitive conversation where he's like,
Speaker 1: I really want you there, but I don't know, would
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable being around my friends?
Speaker 4: But if she joined up when everyone got together at the.
Speaker 1: End, yeah, but are you really flying all the way
Speaker 1: to the Gold Coast to meet up at like twelve
Speaker 1: o'clock at night.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just think it's such a weird idea because Matt
Speaker 1: said that it was his idea to do the joint party,
Speaker 1: and his reason was that he wanted his friends and
Speaker 1: Tammy's friends to get to know each other and build
Speaker 1: a rapport before the wedding. But is it really good
Speaker 1: to meet up when everyone's shit faced at the end
Speaker 1: of the night, Like, isn't that when you don't want
Speaker 1: to meet people because they're at their most obnoxious, Especially
Speaker 1: after hearing Tammy's sisters interviewed on Matt and Anna's podcast,
Speaker 1: I feel like I want to be a fly on
Speaker 1: the wall of this Hucks party. It's going to go off.
Speaker 1: I wonder if the whole Hucks party thing was down
Speaker 1: to a breakdown of trust, because you know, wild shit
Speaker 1: goes on at Bucks parties, and maybe he knew that
Speaker 1: Tammy would feel more comfortable knowing that they were sharing
Speaker 1: a bed at the end of the night instead of
Speaker 1: it being sort of up in the air. Well, Matt
Speaker 1: revealed it's actually his best man that is planning the party,
Speaker 1: and so far he knows that his best mates are
Speaker 1: all flying in from Melbourne, So all the boys are
Speaker 1: heading to an activity, then going to dinner for steak
Speaker 1: and whiskeys, and then they're joining up with Tammy and
Speaker 1: the girls at a joint rental. I can kind of
Speaker 1: see even more why Anna wasn't invited, Like, really, she
Speaker 1: didn't want to go to a fucking steak restaurant with
Speaker 1: these guys, But I think the complete opposite. She should
Speaker 1: have been invited to Tammy's shindy, Like, yeah, Tammy probably
Speaker 1: didn't want to there as we've just a stab. But again,
Speaker 1: I've been on the receiving end of this where I
Speaker 1: wasn't invited to a former partner's best friends hen's party,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel good because you're like, well, they
Speaker 1: especially if they have.
Speaker 4: A large group of people going, You're like, well do
Speaker 4: they not like me?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: Why didn't I make the cart?
Speaker 1: Very awkward, particularly when this is going to be all
Speaker 1: over social media, like you would just feel like you
Speaker 1: were missing out. Now, Matt has one big job to
Speaker 1: take care of ahead of his wedding, and that is
Speaker 1: the removal of his ex girlfriend's name, which is tattooed
Speaker 1: across his ass. So he has Jen written on his
Speaker 1: right bum cheek with a huge love heart around it.
Speaker 1: It's something that I personally would want my partner to
Speaker 1: get rid of before we officially tied the knob. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to be able to get rid
Speaker 1: of it before November, because I'm pretty sure you have
Speaker 1: to have about a four week break between each lazer session.
Speaker 4: This wasn't his f laser session.
Speaker 1: He had been putting it off because he found the
Speaker 1: other session so painful. Why is he advertising this though, Well,
Speaker 1: he's advertising it because he had a paid partnership, so
Speaker 1: he realized he could monetize this process and he lined
Speaker 1: up a deal with a numbing cream brand, so he
Speaker 1: is taking his followers along for the journey and said
Speaker 1: he was able to return to get it removed because
Speaker 1: he had the numbing cream, which made it less wowful.
Speaker 1: We'll remember Tammy had Matt's name tattooed on her. I
Speaker 1: think he was at a White Fox abouts and he.
Speaker 4: Ended up having Tammy on him as well.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so he hasn't learned his lesson. He's got
Speaker 1: a list of girls on tattooed on him. Now, we've
Speaker 1: had so much to cover in today's episode that we're
Speaker 1: going to keep our highs and lows of the week
Speaker 1: for our Subs episode, which comes out on Friday. But
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us for this episode.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. Don't forget to follow
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Speaker 4: This podcast was recorded on the traditional.
Speaker 1: Land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We
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