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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, a young

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Speaker 1: woman is claiming the husband of a well known Aussie

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Speaker 1: influencer has impregnated her. Anna macavoy calls Matt Sakowski out

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Speaker 1: for not inviting her to his joint Bucks party and

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Speaker 1: the cookie pop up labeled a scam. But first, twin

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Speaker 1: sisters and influencers, Bridget and Dannielle for Long have shocked

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Speaker 1: the Internet after revealing they share their underwear and only

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Speaker 1: have one brush between them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, the twenty seven year old influencers share over seven

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five thousand followers on Instagram, and they

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Speaker 1: were interviewed on the Gows on the Go podcast when

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Speaker 1: they made the shot confession. Let's have a listen to

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Speaker 1: what they said.

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Speaker 3: We only have one bra.

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Speaker 1: We okay, stop, and we share underwear. So we share

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Speaker 1: underwear like a share drawer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we only have one brad because it bras.

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Speaker 3: But whenever we need a bra, we're like, wait, we're

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Speaker 3: fighting over it, and well right.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm worried.

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Speaker 3: But ones need ones black, and and I just like

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Speaker 3: know what that is so niche, like the shares are

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Speaker 3: going to be like you guys are just.

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Speaker 1: As a triplet. I kind of get the sharing of underpants.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's told me not to say this, but I

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Speaker 1: kind of get it, because if you live together and

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Speaker 1: you're doing the washing, sometimes you might get confused about

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Speaker 1: which pairs yours. But what has stumped me is the

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Speaker 1: fact that they share bras, Like that is a sure

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Speaker 1: fire way to have a huge argument, because what if

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Speaker 1: one day you're wearing a white top, or you're both

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Speaker 1: wearing white tops and you want the white bra, Like

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Speaker 1: that's just pandemonium. Well, I actually think it's more revolting

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Speaker 1: to share underpants than it is a bra. They get washed,

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Speaker 1: just like this stuff going on. Like I think when

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Speaker 1: we were kids, we probably incidentally shared underpants because whose

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Speaker 1: parent is really separating their undies? But when we moved

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Speaker 1: in together, it was clear, these are my undies, these

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Speaker 1: are your unders. Some of them could have been mixed up,

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Speaker 1: but I'm off, I'm pretty chilled with this sort of

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Speaker 1: stuff like that discuss me. Like, to be honest, I've

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Speaker 1: got a couple of pairs of cats underpants at my

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Speaker 1: house that somehow got intertwined when we moved, and I

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Speaker 1: just wear them like, oh, I don't care. This is disgusting,

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Speaker 1: and I just can sense some kind of daily mail article.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully who cares they get what?

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Speaker 1: It's funny because you just mentioned about the white and

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Speaker 1: the black bra. Because after the girls made the confession

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Speaker 1: on this podcast, one of the hosts said, well, who's

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Speaker 1: wearing the bra today? And they said, well, actually we

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Speaker 1: both have a bra on, so we have one black

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Speaker 1: bra and one white bra. But things do get heated

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Speaker 1: if they need that one colored bra. Yeah, well I can.

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Speaker 1: That's just stupid, like just go and buy a bra each.

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Speaker 1: Obviously well off as well. They've got seven hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty five thousand followers. Maybe this was a ploy to

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Speaker 1: get some launderie brands to send them some on the surprise,

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Speaker 1: I mean, as if they haven't had any already sending

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Speaker 1: them stuff. I also think it's because it's a new

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Speaker 1: cool girl young thing not to wear bras anymore. Like

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Speaker 1: I've heard on the grapevine that small perky tits is

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Speaker 1: apparently in fashion. I mean, I don't know when it

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Speaker 1: went out of fashion, having perky tits, but it happily

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Speaker 1: everyone wants small tits.

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Speaker 4: So we are in fashion amy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well I did notice this because a lot of

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Speaker 1: the mannequins in the stores don't have bras on as well.

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Speaker 1: How old does that make me sound? But a lot

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Speaker 1: of people have had a lot of opinions on this online.

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Speaker 1: So there were twins who were weighing into the comment

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Speaker 1: section of the now viral podcast clip. One twin said,

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Speaker 1: my twin and I don't even hug, let alone share underwear.

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Speaker 1: No straight to jail, and otherwise said my twin and

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Speaker 1: I would first fight every day if we did this. Now,

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Speaker 1: there were some other sisters defending the girl's decision, and

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Speaker 1: they said, well, they have the same DNA. Well, another

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Speaker 1: twin said, she and her sister also do this. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's weird. I actually do not think it's

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Speaker 4: I mean, a twenty.

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Speaker 1: Seven to share underpay.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's weird because they probably live together.

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Speaker 1: It's probably very difficult, they're.

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Speaker 4: The same size.

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Speaker 1: It's an I mean, it's quite a smart decision because

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Speaker 1: you only have to do one load of washing, Like

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Speaker 1: I share a towel with my partner. That's gross. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: you're a grub and I'm concerned now that do you

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Speaker 1: have my underwear in your house?

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Speaker 4: No, you've got I wouldn't fucking take your underwear.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, old bond shit. So if I've said to you, Sophie, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like say you had to get changed,

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Speaker 1: I was like, here's a pair of my underpants. You

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Speaker 1: can wear them. Would you wear them?

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Speaker 4: Depends what type they were.

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Speaker 1: I would not if you said, I'd have the fucking

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Speaker 1: difference between socks.

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Speaker 4: There's something intimate about sharing someone's underpants.

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Speaker 1: I think it's weird.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: What I love about these girls is they have been

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Speaker 1: having fun with this. So they recently shared a TikTok

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Speaker 1: joking that they were finally moving away from each other

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Speaker 1: after living together their whole lives, and in the video,

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Speaker 1: the girls are seen fighting over the nude bra. I

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Speaker 1: wonder if they were caught off guard about this, because

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Speaker 1: you know, there's some like multiple like twin triplet things

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Speaker 1: repeat it to another person, you're like, oh, fuck, this

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Speaker 1: is actually quite weird. No, I think they were aware

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Speaker 1: that they were going to shit over this. We're going

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Speaker 1: to put something up on our Instagram and in our

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Speaker 1: Facebook community. Any twins, triplets, sisters reach out?

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Speaker 4: Do you share the same underpants? And is it weird?

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Speaker 4: Chris paying seventeen dollars fifty for a stale fucking cookie?

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Speaker 2: Not me.

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Speaker 1: Australian fans of US cookie giant Crumble thought they were

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Speaker 1: in for a sweet treat when news broke on social

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Speaker 1: media that a pop up shop selling the popular cookies

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Speaker 1: was coming to North Bondai.

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Speaker 4: However, fans have labeled.

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Speaker 1: The pop up store as a scam and accuse the

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Speaker 1: organizers of selling stale cookies.

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Speaker 4: Amy, I need to know more about this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, a lot of people on TikTok are currently

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Speaker 1: saying that this is their Roman Empire. So hundreds of

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Speaker 1: people lined up to get their hands on the popular

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Speaker 1: an account called Crumble Sydney. Now, for those who haven't

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Speaker 1: heard of Crumble, it is a US owned store which

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Speaker 1: US and Canada. There are currently no Crumble stores in Australia,

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Speaker 1: so this is why a lot of people got excited

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Speaker 1: has sparked a lot of anger. Firstly is the price

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Speaker 1: of the cookies. So a Crumble cookie in the US

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Speaker 1: will set you back around five US dollars, which is

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Speaker 1: the equivalent of seven Australian dollars. However, when people arrived

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Speaker 1: dollars fifty per cookie. Like, firstly, who has seventeen dollars

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Speaker 1: fifty in this cost of living crists to spend on

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Speaker 1: a cookie? That is extortion. I'm sorry, that is absolutely

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Speaker 1: taking the piss and taking advantage of people. Well, you

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Speaker 1: could get a box of five cookies for forty five dollars,

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Speaker 1: still fucking crazy. And they were also selling Crumble cookie

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Speaker 1: cutters for a whopping seventy five dollars each one cookie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh fuck Wait what's the shape of the cookie cutter?

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Speaker 1: What a circle? Yeah? Nothing that remarkable. And a lot

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Speaker 1: of the people in this line were actually TikTokers because

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Speaker 1: people were wanting to do a lot of the taste

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Speaker 1: test videos. So I saw one woman on TikTok who

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Speaker 1: had bought ten cookies costing one hundred and seventy five dollars. Now,

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Speaker 1: the shit really hit the fan after the pop up

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Speaker 1: cookies tasted stale, and it became evident that the event

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Speaker 1: event was organized by some randoms who basically just flew

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Speaker 1: to the US, bought a thousand Crumble cookies over there,

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Speaker 4: Wait now, then how did they fly them all back? Though?

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Speaker 1: Like what they brought? So many suits? They cases or

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Speaker 1: They'll probably tasted like rocks, I know. So everything basically

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Speaker 1: this firestorm. So the backlash prompted the organizers to finally

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Speaker 1: it now reads not endorsed by Crumble, just fans importing now.

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Speaker 1: The release they put out was incredibly detailed, and I

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Speaker 1: It's making international headlines. And in the statement they confirmed

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Speaker 1: was to bring the authentic Crumble cookies to Australia by

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Speaker 1: So they confirmed that they traveled to the US to

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Speaker 1: They even included receipts to show exactly how much they

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Speaker 1: in their videos on TikTok. But if you look at

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Speaker 1: marketing material now in regards to food stanits because there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of concern by TikTok users saying, well,

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Speaker 1: what would have happened if someone got seriously ill from

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Speaker 1: one of these cookies?

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Speaker 4: And how old are they?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so a lot of people were actually saying I

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Speaker 1: actually felt quite sick after consuming one. So the organizers

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Speaker 1: claim that the Crumble cookies should be kept at room

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Speaker 1: temperature in an air tight container for up to three

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Speaker 1: days or refrigerated for ups a day for a cookie

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Speaker 1: to last, particularly when you consider the fact that they're

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Speaker 1: full of sugar, which makes them last longer. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: would have been awful. So the organizer said, we kept

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Speaker 1: them to these requirements. Some were warm to enhance their texture,

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Speaker 1: which is what Crumble does as well. I mean, what

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Speaker 1: kind of proof do they have though, because they were

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Speaker 1: importing a huge amount of cookies into the country, Like,

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Speaker 1: I highly doubt that these were refrigerated. Now, things got

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Speaker 1: and costs. So the organizers claimed it was never about

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Speaker 1: that why they charged extortionate prices and seventy five dollars

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Speaker 4: Because she said that her dms are full.

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Speaker 5: It's just the wife is selling this lifestyle and it's

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why you would DM a total stranger

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Speaker 1: So she told her that she is always going to

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Speaker 1: She also told her that the husband is probably having

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Speaker 1: never be included in any family things. I mean, advice

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00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,360
Speaker 1: is pretty spot on. Well, she has got a point there,

438
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 1: because if you think about any traditional media stories that

439
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 1: come out on mistresses or affairs, it is always the

440
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 1: woman's fault somehow. Well, it's quite interesting because I don't

441
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: know if Kate has been monitoring her comments section, because

442
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: surprisingly there haven't been many guesses as to who the

443
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: couple is. I think that she's kept it so vague

444
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 1: that people aren't really sure, which is a good thing

445
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: but also a bad thing because I wonder how many

446
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: married Ossie influences are now suspicious of their husbands over

447
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 1: this past week, like shaking their phone. She's probably had

448
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: to keep it vague for legal reasons as well, because

449
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: you can't be making it too niche. There aren't that

450
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: many OZSI influencers out there. It's pretty funny because in

451
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: Kate's comment section, people are calling her the real life

452
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: gossip girl and said that her advice was spot on,

453
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: and another follower said, what a loser husband sticking his

454
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: unprotected dick wherever he wants and has a wife at home.

455
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: I hope he gets what he deserved. The response was

456
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: quite mixed in our Facebook group though, because many people

457
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: were saying that they love Kate and she's the best

458
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: thing to happen to TikTok, whilst others felt like she'd

459
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 1: lost them on this one. They thought it wasn't really funny,

460
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: particularly when children are involved. Well, I'm just surprised it

461
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,959
Speaker 1: hasn't popped up on OZSI influencer updates or something like that.

462
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Speaker 1: I have a bit of a bones pick with you.

463
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Speaker 1: Former Love islander Anna McAvoy has been left off the

464
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Speaker 1: invite list of Tammy Hembro and matt's Kowski's joint Hucks party.

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Speaker 1: The festivities are kicking off this weekend on the Gold Coast,

466
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Speaker 1: with Anna making it clear she's hurt not to be included.

467
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Speaker 1: So Anna brought it up on her and Matt's joint podcast.

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Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to what she said.

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Speaker 2: So, Matt Zukowski, sitting in front of me right here,

470
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Speaker 2: invited my brother before I even copped and invite. I

471
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Speaker 2: actually had to ask for an invite from you, which

472
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: is actually rude crash my hens party.

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Speaker 1: But you didn't. You were like, do you have anything

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Speaker 1: to ask me? You answered the phone call like that.

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Speaker 2: It's just about the fact that we are long term friends.

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Speaker 1: Didn't want to be business partners. Do you want to

477
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Speaker 1: waste anyone's time? It would be nice to help an invite. Well,

478
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Speaker 1: did I not say you're more than welcome to come?

479
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Speaker 1: I just I don't want to be more than welcome

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Speaker 1: to come. I want to be invited.

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Speaker 4: More than welcome to come. Feels like a pity party.

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Speaker 1: What an absolute cop out to say.

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Speaker 4: Oh, you're more than welcome to come.

484
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Speaker 1: I would not feel comfortable one to book flights to

485
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Speaker 1: the Gold Coast to attend a party where I didn't

486
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Speaker 1: get a proper invite because you would literally feel like

487
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: you were a second thought and as if you were

488
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: intruding on this. So the bad PR train for Matzakowski

489
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: is continuing. It's not a good look for him. I mean,

490
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: Anna sounded genuinely hurt, like you could tell her in

491
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Speaker 1: her voice.

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Speaker 4: And there's gonna be so much.

493
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Speaker 1: Hype around this Hucks party as well, there's gonna be

494
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna be all over social media. He would feel

495
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: so excluded. It's like a high school when you don't

496
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Speaker 1: get invited to the big party and you know what's

497
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: happening that weekend. And I always think that exclusion is

498
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: a form of bullying, like at school. I wonder if

499
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Speaker 1: it's because it's only Matt's male friends that are coming

500
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: as his half of this Hucks party, or he said

501
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: that he didn't invite her because she doesn't quote unquote

502
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: like the culture that his mates bring when he hangs

503
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: out with them. The douchebag, Well that's what I was

504
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: gonna say. So does that mean he acts like an

505
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: immature jerk around his friends or maybe his friends are

506
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: not trustworthy when they're on the piss like again, that.

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Speaker 4: Did not paint a good picture.

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Speaker 1: Can I just add in before we get anybody commenting

509
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: in our reviews that we've stuffed up the word Bucks party,

510
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: We're actually referring to a Hucks party. Now that is

511
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: a term for a joint Hens and Bucks party. Well,

512
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: in terms of who he's inviting, he has eight male friends,

513
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 1: so a handful of them are his groomsmen. So I

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00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: get why it could maybe feel weird if Anna was

515
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: joining them doing all the blokey activities. But I think

516
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Speaker 1: at the heart of this, she could have been invited

517
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Speaker 1: to Tammy's section of it because they're all planning on

518
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: meeting up at the end of the night at this

519
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: airbnb to keep the party going, so she could have

520
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: a bit separate. Yeah, so it's separate, so she but

521
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: but Anna could have hung out with the girls. And

522
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Speaker 1: I get that Tammy maybe having a smaller group of

523
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: close friends, but you think he would try and include

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Speaker 1: Anna because she is Matt's close friend and business part Okay,

525
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: now I get it a little bit more. Because I

526
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: initially thought that this Hucks party was one joint party.

527
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: I didn't realize they were having separate things. I think

528
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: maybe this is a case of that Tammy doesn't really

529
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: want her there, and she probably is friendly with Anna,

530
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: but if she's only having super close friends, then having

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Speaker 1: Matt's podcast host come there it probably, I don't know,

532
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: it might open the door up for other people who

533
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: now will be offended, but they were invited. I just

534
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: think it plays into these consistent rumors that there's beef

535
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: between the two of them, and that started when Tammy

536
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: was promoting Bondi San's and not Anna's tanning company. And

537
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: then Anna put out this cryptic video which seemed like

538
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: it was about Tammy, which I actually think is all crap.

539
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: But the sad thing is it just sort of buys

540
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: into this theory that they're not close, even though, as

541
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: you say, if you were just having a super tight

542
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: and intimate HENS party, you don't really want hangers on.

543
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: But in this case, it's clear that Anna is upset

544
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: about it, and I think it's also extra rude of

545
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: Matt because Matt attended her Hens party. Yeah, so she

546
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: had a three day event and he dropped past to

547
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: be involved in the game. She said that he crashed

548
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: the party, and it did seem like Tammy wasn't actually invited.

549
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: To Anna's Hen's party as well. But if you think

550
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: about it, that was back in April, so Tammy and

551
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: Matt had only been together for five months, and Anna

552
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: and Tammy don't live in the same state, so it's

553
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: not as though they've exactly had all of this time

554
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: to get close and hang out with each other. But

555
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: now that they are going to be friends for life,

556
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: I do think Anna could have been included. I just

557
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: think it's a case of Matt not explaining things properly

558
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: to Anna and not having that sensitive conversation where he's like,

559
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: I really want you there, but I don't know, would

560
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable being around my friends?

561
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 4: But if she joined up when everyone got together at the.

562
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Speaker 1: End, yeah, but are you really flying all the way

563
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: to the Gold Coast to meet up at like twelve

564
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: o'clock at night.

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00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's such a weird idea because Matt

567
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: said that it was his idea to do the joint party,

568
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 1: and his reason was that he wanted his friends and

569
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: Tammy's friends to get to know each other and build

570
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: a rapport before the wedding. But is it really good

571
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: to meet up when everyone's shit faced at the end

572
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: of the night, Like, isn't that when you don't want

573
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: to meet people because they're at their most obnoxious, Especially

574
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: after hearing Tammy's sisters interviewed on Matt and Anna's podcast,

575
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I want to be a fly on

576
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: the wall of this Hucks party. It's going to go off.

577
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: I wonder if the whole Hucks party thing was down

578
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: to a breakdown of trust, because you know, wild shit

579
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: goes on at Bucks parties, and maybe he knew that

580
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: Tammy would feel more comfortable knowing that they were sharing

581
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: a bed at the end of the night instead of

582
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: it being sort of up in the air. Well, Matt

583
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: revealed it's actually his best man that is planning the party,

584
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: and so far he knows that his best mates are

585
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: all flying in from Melbourne, So all the boys are

586
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: heading to an activity, then going to dinner for steak

587
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: and whiskeys, and then they're joining up with Tammy and

588
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: the girls at a joint rental. I can kind of

589
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: see even more why Anna wasn't invited, Like, really, she

590
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: didn't want to go to a fucking steak restaurant with

591
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: these guys, But I think the complete opposite. She should

592
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: have been invited to Tammy's shindy, Like, yeah, Tammy probably

593
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: didn't want to there as we've just a stab. But again,

594
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: I've been on the receiving end of this where I

595
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: wasn't invited to a former partner's best friends hen's party,

596
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel good because you're like, well, they

597
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: especially if they have.

598
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: A large group of people going, You're like, well do

599
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 4: they not like me?

600
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: Like?

601
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 4: Why didn't I make the cart?

602
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: Very awkward, particularly when this is going to be all

603
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: over social media, like you would just feel like you

604
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: were missing out. Now, Matt has one big job to

605
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: take care of ahead of his wedding, and that is

606
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: the removal of his ex girlfriend's name, which is tattooed

607
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: across his ass. So he has Jen written on his

608
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: right bum cheek with a huge love heart around it.

609
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: It's something that I personally would want my partner to

610
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: get rid of before we officially tied the knob. I

611
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to be able to get rid

612
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: of it before November, because I'm pretty sure you have

613
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: to have about a four week break between each lazer session.

614
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 4: This wasn't his f laser session.

615
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: He had been putting it off because he found the

616
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: other session so painful. Why is he advertising this though, Well,

617
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: he's advertising it because he had a paid partnership, so

618
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: he realized he could monetize this process and he lined

619
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Speaker 1: up a deal with a numbing cream brand, so he

620
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: is taking his followers along for the journey and said

621
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Speaker 1: he was able to return to get it removed because

622
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Speaker 1: he had the numbing cream, which made it less wowful.

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Speaker 1: We'll remember Tammy had Matt's name tattooed on her. I

624
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: think he was at a White Fox abouts and he.

625
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Speaker 4: Ended up having Tammy on him as well.

626
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so he hasn't learned his lesson. He's got

627
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Speaker 1: a list of girls on tattooed on him. Now, we've

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Speaker 1: had so much to cover in today's episode that we're

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Speaker 1: going to keep our highs and lows of the week

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Speaker 1: for our Subs episode, which comes out on Friday. But

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us for this episode.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. Don't forget to follow

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Speaker 1: us on Instagram and on TikTok at Outspoken Underscore the

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Speaker 1: Underscore podcast.

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Speaker 4: This podcast was recorded on the traditional.

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Speaker 1: Land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We

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Speaker 1: pay respect to elders past, impresent,