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Speaker 1: It is time for the week.

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Speaker 2: That was if I sounded a bit distracted throughout that weather,

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Speaker 2: that was because Kezier was making a grand entrance.

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Speaker 1: Good morning the morning, Katie, Morning bush people. And we've

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Speaker 1: got Jared Mainly over there from the COLP.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Jarkaty, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: We get the Rural crew out to one side. Best

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Speaker 1: with us, we live Rual.

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Speaker 2: We've got Thomas Morgan, the political reporter for the ABC.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Tom.

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Speaker 4: Morning Katy, Morning everyone.

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Speaker 1: And from the Labor Party, we've got Mark Monahan, Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you.

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Speaker 5: Good morning Katy, Tom, and I will hold up the

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Speaker 5: city end.

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Speaker 1: Do your best, do your best now. Look, it has

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Speaker 1: been a massive week.

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Speaker 2: I feel as I say that every single week, but

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Speaker 2: I just want to start this morning with the news

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Speaker 2: that the Northern Territory Coroner has recommended the Territories Education

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Speaker 2: Department insure all schools are trained to respond when a

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Speaker 2: student discloses suicidal thoughts following her inquiry into the deaths

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Speaker 2: of a Darwin teenager. According to the ABC News Online, Grace,

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Speaker 2: who cannot be ideaied by her full name, was thirteen

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Speaker 2: years old when she died. By suicide in January twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two, blind siding her family, friends and teachers.

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Speaker 1: Her mother found her body lying on the.

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Speaker 2: Bed in her parents' bedroom, near an unlocked cupboard where

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Speaker 2: an unsecured firearm had been stored with ammunition. It is

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Speaker 2: absolutely every family's worst nightmare.

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Speaker 1: We know.

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Speaker 2: At the coronial inquiest into her death, it was revealed

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Speaker 2: that despite expressing suicidal thoughts to her school counselor, no

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Speaker 1: Undertaken with her or her parents.

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Speaker 2: Now it is amongst a whole raft of findings in

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Speaker 2: that coronial, but you know, it's very like, I've got

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Speaker 2: It's heartbreaking to go through those findings. And I guess

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Katie, it's and as you can imagine, I've got

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Speaker 5: It's just heartbreaking.

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Speaker 6: But from a department's point of view, it's one of

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Speaker 6: in the education space. When I first started, that wasn't

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Speaker 5: Of health people work in schools.

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Speaker 6: It's probably a realization in the last ten years due

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Speaker 5: But gee, what can you say to or fact this?

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Speaker 7: I remember, and I don't know much about this case

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Speaker 7: And I understand the privacy laws and concept, but the councilors,

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Speaker 7: And so I think, I don't know what I haven't

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Speaker 2: It. It's definitely something we spoke about a bit earlier

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Speaker 8: It's a big symptom of the fact that there is

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Speaker 3: Ultimately, remember the government did that Hubbard spoke that Keithy

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I suppose one of one of the key

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Speaker 6: So there is no one size fits all in this space.

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Speaker 2: Because you know, one of the other things I want

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Speaker 2: But that's where I you know, I do agree that

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Speaker 2: Tom arise, you know with this generation, which is something

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Speaker 7: Not on not on the political parties. Given it's an election,

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Speaker 7: like to me and don't have to they're funding their

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Speaker 1: I would hope that it does help.

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Speaker 2: An appropriate one hundred percent. Now, look, if you or

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Speaker 2: contact with Lifeline on thirteen eleven fourteen. Now, I want

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Speaker 2: But Joe's argument yesterday was if we get in early

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and now we've got this legislation the government bought

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Speaker 3: Because remember this is all about consequences. You know, if

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Speaker 2: Well we did, and we did talk to the Police

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Speaker 1: Direct him to direct the commissioner to do something well

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Speaker 5: Very careful director operational managers.

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Speaker 7: But the government could say we are of the strong

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Speaker 7: That we need to implement a curfew in Catherine.

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Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, I am absolutely

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Speaker 7: Absolutely still is accountable to the minister.

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Speaker 6: But I'd be very careful in getting involved in directing

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Speaker 5: To implement one.

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Speaker 2: Look, I certainly understand that, but I think that's sometimes

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Speaker 1: As well, is that it's it's not actually the.

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Speaker 2: Police commissioner's job to listen to the con It is

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Speaker 2: And if the community is saying, look, we're really worried

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Speaker 2: Joe had told us about you know, an employee from

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Speaker 3: Of course, and I spoke to Joe yesterday and she

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Speaker 3: he's just going through the roof. You know, back in

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Speaker 3: What do you think that is because direct result because

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Speaker 7: I'll give you an I just jump in there, because

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Speaker 1: Turcey before you get to the towns, completely all misinformation.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but that's the kind of stuff that's going out

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Speaker 7: and she said, yes, I know, but that's what's happening.

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Speaker 7: And see two weeks and I think it's three weeks,

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Speaker 7: In two to three weeks time, there's going to be

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Speaker 5: It is the key.

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Speaker 8: The key question is, and this was asked when the

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Speaker 3: And the other.

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Speaker 8: Point, and you mentioned this briefly, Katie, about there not

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 8: This was the exact same thing that happened in Alice

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Speaker 4: And what are police doing now?

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Speaker 8: And that's something that the Commission had probably be I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: Look, we are going to have to take a very

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Speaker 2: liquor laws. So as of Monday, July one, the on

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Speaker 2: If the intended location is a prohibited public place or

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Speaker 2: you know, talking about all of that, and also talking

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Speaker 2: one thing that always has worked is those palies on

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Speaker 1: There is no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: But as I mentioned a little while ago, we definitely

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Speaker 2: I mean, Mark, I might go to you first, if

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Speaker 5: My wife does that.

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Speaker 7: To me as well then.

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately I wasn't around in Keyesy's days, speaker, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Apparently than anybody else. Sometimes I found that in the researcher.

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Speaker 2: We're being told that there's not the same degree as previous.

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Speaker 5: Has been removed. Absolutely no, And in fact, what will happen?

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Speaker 6: I think today there's a graduation that all the police

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Speaker 5: There is no reduction in anything.

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Speaker 2: Now I know based on that press release that the

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Speaker 1: So would risk their safety. What do we make of USh?

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Speaker 3: Well, can I just start with saying about the on

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Speaker 2: And I get like with that with the penalty points,

442
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Speaker 2: that nine hundred and twenty five dollar fine, Like I

443
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Speaker 2: get the reason why it's being done. I understand that

444
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Speaker 2: both sides of politics want it to happen, but let's

445
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Speaker 2: be blunt about this, Like, are we talking about shucking

446
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Speaker 2: people out of location on Mitchell Street while we're talking

447
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Speaker 2: about chucking people out of a pub like it's gone

448
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Speaker 2: to be the How.

449
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Speaker 7: Is it actually going to be regulated?

450
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Speaker 4: Yes, I get it.

451
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Speaker 7: The person's causing trouble at the establishment. The establishment usually

452
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Speaker 7: has security. They like them to leave. They don't leave,

453
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Speaker 7: then what so then they obviously have to they have to.

454
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Speaker 1: Call the police because the police.

455
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Speaker 7: I would think, are the only ones who can issue

456
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Speaker 7: a fine under the legislation. The security people won't be

457
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Speaker 7: able to so the police are going to be called

458
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Speaker 7: to these places. Now, I would like to know how

459
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Speaker 7: many what's where's the data to support this? How many

460
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Speaker 7: people have been asked to leave?

461
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Speaker 2: Big established feel like it's going to be a little

462
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Speaker 2: bit like the trespass notices that we have been told

463
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Speaker 2: or effective. But you know we've spoken about before the

464
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Speaker 2: likes of Casuarina. I don't know just how effective they

465
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Speaker 2: are because they still see people well exactly, I don't know.

466
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Speaker 3: And an other example is about the secondary supply. We

467
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Speaker 3: know the Labor government bang on how rampid it is. Well,

468
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Speaker 3: we ask some questions in parliament. No one's been charged

469
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Speaker 3: for secondary supply for three years and in twenty one

470
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Speaker 3: three people got charged. So when you were talking about

471
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Speaker 3: evidence and they up the penalty for that, but no

472
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Speaker 3: one's actually been charged to where are the evidence in

473
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Speaker 3: writs and how it's going to work because ultimately this

474
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Speaker 3: government seemed to just flop around, going back and forth

475
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Speaker 3: and there's no evidence to back up their decision.

476
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Speaker 1: I mean, what do we.

477
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Speaker 2: Make though of the changes in terms of people having

478
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Speaker 2: to be able to prove where they are going to

479
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Speaker 2: consume their alcohol as well?

480
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Speaker 8: Well, that was one of the first Like I remember

481
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Speaker 8: when I first moved to Darwin, it would have been

482
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Speaker 8: four years ago now, I went to a bottle shop

483
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Speaker 8: and got asked where I'd be consuming the liquor and

484
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Speaker 8: I sort of thought it was a bit of a

485
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Speaker 8: silly question because it's on your license, well, because I

486
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Speaker 8: had a Queen's und license a the time. But it

487
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Speaker 8: was also like, well I could just say if I go, like,

488
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Speaker 8: it's not like there's no burden of proof on anyone.

489
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Speaker 8: I just I wonder if that's really going to make

490
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Speaker 8: a huge difference places on the ground.

491
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Speaker 7: I agree with you, Thomas. I think that place is

492
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Speaker 7: an extra burden on bottle shop people, attendance workers, whatever, like,

493
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Speaker 7: oh were you drinking this? And I asked the bloke

494
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Speaker 7: one day, said why did you ask me where I'm

495
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Speaker 7: drinking this? He said, it's on your license, So what's

496
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Speaker 7: the point.

497
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Speaker 8: But case of tourists, well, yeah, I mean I was

498
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Speaker 8: I just moved to the territory.

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Speaker 4: I still have my queens on drivers.

500
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Speaker 7: Liss and provide your passport. Yeah, it just has to

501
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Speaker 7: be idea and that doesn't always have lot your residence

502
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Speaker 7: on it. But you may not be drinking it at

503
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Speaker 7: your home. I'm maybe going around to a mates place.

504
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Speaker 2: For me, I think it is feeling a bad thing

505
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Speaker 2: in the sense that if you are able to, you know,

506
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Speaker 2: if you're able to stop some people purchasing alcohol, if

507
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Speaker 2: they're planning, or if they don't actually have somewhere where

508
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Speaker 2: they're going, if they don't have an address where they

509
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Speaker 2: are going to consume it. But then I suppose the

510
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Speaker 2: tough part is if you know, if I say, oh,

511
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Speaker 2: I'm going to have a drink, I'm going to take

512
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Speaker 2: it to East Point and have a drink there, or

513
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Speaker 2: I don't know, somewhere else.

514
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Speaker 1: Like am I going to be refused?

515
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Speaker 2: I don't know, But I think that the government's got

516
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Speaker 2: to try something, right, Like, I do agree with that

517
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Speaker 2: that something does need to be tried to to try

518
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Speaker 2: to stop the issues that we're seeing when it comes

519
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: to that public drinking. But that's where a lot of

520
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 2: people listening are going to go, Well, Katie, you know,

521
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Speaker 2: why isn't it an offense to drink in public? And

522
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Speaker 2: you know, and that's a discussion we've had on so

523
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Speaker 2: many occasions.

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Speaker 8: The issue again comes back to prevention. You know, if

525
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Speaker 8: there wasn't an addiction issue in the first place, there

526
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Speaker 8: wouldn't be all that this needs for regulation. It comes

527
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Speaker 8: back to prevention, and it comes back to the fact

528
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Speaker 8: that we also found out in estimates that you know,

529
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Speaker 8: there was a voluntary buyback scheme of the eighty one

530
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Speaker 8: grocery store liquor licenses in the territory.

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Speaker 4: Only five stores accepted it, right, and so.

532
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Speaker 7: That money hasn't been paid out. They're still negotiating.

533
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and one of them, I believe one of the

534
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Speaker 8: stores that did accept it was closing down anyway, So

535
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Speaker 8: they just you know.

536
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Speaker 7: Said I'll give you back my last nase. Yeah. So

537
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Speaker 7: they actually haven't handed them back yet because they are

538
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Speaker 7: still negotiating the compensation.

539
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Speaker 1: Look.

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Speaker 2: One of the other things that the government did say

541
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Speaker 2: that they're doing though this week is that they are

542
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Speaker 2: going to have a three week blitz cracking down on

543
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Speaker 2: alcohol related anti social behavior across Casuarina, Darwin, CBD and Winelli. Again,

544
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Speaker 2: good move, I wondered why only now a few weeks

545
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Speaker 2: out from the election.

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Speaker 6: Also mattered that they also are doing that across the

547
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Speaker 6: show circuits as well, which is really important that we've seen,

548
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Speaker 6: whether it's major football games or whatever that brings people

549
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Speaker 6: into turn the tech month the time it takes to

550
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Speaker 6: get peace pull back into their communities.

551
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Speaker 7: Because of they want to stay in the big city.

552
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Speaker 5: They want to stay in the big city.

553
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Speaker 6: But at the same time, Kesier, you and I stay

554
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Speaker 6: in a big city, we have to stay in a hotel.

555
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Speaker 6: We don't get to the option of if I go

556
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Speaker 6: to Paris, I don't get to sleep under the Eiffel

557
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 6: Tower and save myself so that I can I can

558
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Speaker 6: spend the money on on on my holiday. So there

559
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Speaker 6: is an absolute line around that, and the operational events

560
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Speaker 6: that will come up after them will ensure that we

561
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Speaker 6: don't we're not faced with people in the in the

562
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Speaker 6: community who are just staying there for way belong what

563
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Speaker 6: they need to for the event of coming into a

564
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Speaker 6: a show crap down?

565
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Speaker 4: Though, is this an operational thing that police decided on operational?

566
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Speaker 5: All these things are operational.

567
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Speaker 2: What I guess I'm finding interesting is the timing of

568
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Speaker 2: some of the different things that are happening at the moment,

569
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Speaker 2: and I welcome them, but the timing is obviously quite

570
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Speaker 2: close to a Northern Territory nature.

571
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Speaker 1: Unusual for me.

572
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Speaker 2: Well, and I don't know, but there was some polling

573
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Speaker 2: that was released a little bit earlier this week as

574
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Speaker 2: well that's actually put the two major parties virtually neck

575
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: and neck for the first time since resignation.

576
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Speaker 8: But the previous poll was the gas exactly, I believe

577
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Speaker 8: the best one.

578
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Speaker 3: But we're listening the community, we're outdoor knocking, we're out

579
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Speaker 3: there getting on the ground and hearing from territory in

580
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Speaker 3: what they concerned.

581
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Speaker 2: I wondered, if you're both actually listening to the polling,

582
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Speaker 2: and that's my announcements coming out that are actually what

583
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Speaker 2: the community wants.

584
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Speaker 8: Well, there's internal polling of course that we never get

585
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Speaker 8: to see that they would be conducting every week and

586
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Speaker 8: they'd be focus groups. The the thing about it is

587
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Speaker 8: like the individual polls aren't that accurate in the Northern

588
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Speaker 8: Territory for a lot of reasons. But the interesting thing

589
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 8: is the last three poles that we've had in the

590
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Speaker 8: Northern Territory, each one has shown the gap between the

591
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 8: CELP and Labor cop being ahead, but that gap has

592
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Speaker 8: been narrowing consistently, and so it's not necessarily each individual

593
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 8: poll that's important.

594
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Speaker 4: It's the direction of travel and it.

595
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 8: Does show that Labor is starting to claw back, at

596
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 8: least that's what the polls show. Like whether that's just

597
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 8: inaccurate polling or not is another question, but it does

598
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 8: raise some questions about whether this is going to be

599
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Speaker 8: a much tighter election than we would have possibly presumed.

600
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Speaker 1: That we initially saw December.

601
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Speaker 2: And the other interesting part, I think, or the other

602
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: interesting aspect of what did come out in the most

603
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Speaker 2: recent polling is having a bit of a closer look

604
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Speaker 2: at what the Greens and the Independence may do in

605
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Speaker 2: terms of their preferences and the impact that that would

606
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Speaker 2: have on either major party. Now I will say that

607
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Speaker 2: I think no matter what the Independence and the Greens do,

608
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Speaker 2: probably nothing is going to be as detrimental to the

609
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Speaker 2: COLP as what territory alliance was last election. In terms

610
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Speaker 2: of taking those preferences, I could be, well, you.

611
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Speaker 8: Know, I do think that there is still the very

612
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Speaker 8: primary votes lest possibility of a hung parliament, like you know,

613
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Speaker 8: don't We can't rule that out, Like you know, we

614
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 8: could get to election day and the CLP have a

615
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Speaker 8: massive majority. We could get to election day and Labor

616
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 8: could have a surprise victory. We honestly, you know, I

617
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 8: don't know, I don't know, but the hung parliament possibility,

618
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 8: particularly when you have seats like Blaine that have been

619
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 8: contested by Mark Turner. You have Karama and Johnston also

620
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 8: being you know, contested by independents, So there is, like

621
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 8: you know, the question of whether or not there is

622
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Speaker 8: a hung parliament that needs to be.

623
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Speaker 6: And I guess when it comes to polling, and I

624
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 6: do want to touch on this, it's and it might

625
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 6: put in in my age bracket and mister Malee's age

626
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 6: bracket and Keasiers. But when when gallup poles were happening

627
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Speaker 6: when we were growing up, you actually had some confidence

628
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 6: in gallup poles because people would ring your home phone

629
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 6: number that you would pick up your home phone that

630
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 6: doesn't tell you that it's a private number on it,

631
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 6: and you would you would enter into and so the

632
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 6: polling was somehow legitimized that because it was getting to

633
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 6: people that doesn't happen anymore.

634
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Speaker 2: Pelling That was more sort of not because what I find,

635
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: like I say, I answer, I'll pick up to every

636
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 2: poll right.

637
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: That rings me.

638
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, no worry.

639
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Speaker 1: So let's have a listen to what they've got to say.

640
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 8: This poles online, Well I got one. I believe it

641
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 8: was the CLP that sent me an online right there.

642
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 5: You do what I would think, we're unusual.

643
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 6: I would think the majority of people don't want their

644
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 6: day interrupted by any phone call coming through, and the

645
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 6: fact that they're coming through to mobile phones nowadays, that

646
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 6: actually highlight who's ringing them.

647
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: The other thing about them, though, is they're quite leading

648
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: in direction and you can pretty.

649
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Speaker 1: Much get straight away.

650
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Speaker 2: Who's who's asking the questions when I find it really interesting.

651
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 8: One of the questions that I got asked on this

652
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 8: poll was would you pay five hundred dollars a month

653
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 8: for your energy bill in exchange for a higher renewable rollout.

654
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 5: And no one's yes.

655
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Speaker 1: Well and this is the thing.

656
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Speaker 2: But look, you can tell things are tight when when

657
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: promises get made and then they get.

658
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Speaker 1: Matched pretty well immediately.

659
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Speaker 2: And we saw that earlier in the week with the

660
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Speaker 2: Southern District's football club.

661
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Speaker 1: Well, no matter what it seems that they're going to

662
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Speaker 1: be the beneficiary, Katie, they're going to win. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter who which side they're going to wait.

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Speaker 6: Remembering as I said, if you look around the sporting

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Speaker 6: facilities the last four years, a lot of them, including

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Speaker 6: the Nightcliff Oval who's got their new lights, and Dan

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Speaker 6: at the Warritars and so one of the most important

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Speaker 6: things for any government going forward is to ensure kids

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Speaker 6: and our young people can access sport.

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Speaker 2: After Actually, one of those I do want to touch

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Speaker 2: on while i've got you, Mark is the sandersm Middle School.

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Speaker 2: Now I'd spoken to the Nightcliff Dragons footy club yesterday.

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Speaker 2: They've had serious issues in fact, with the Sanders And

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Speaker 2: Middle School being vandalized quite badly because there's no bollards

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Speaker 2: at the oval there. So Nightcliffe, Nightcliff Dragons have to

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Speaker 2: use that ground for their training. They've had to cancel

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Speaker 2: training on more than one occasion due to vandalism there.

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Speaker 2: We're due to catch up with the chairman of the

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Speaker 2: Sanders And Middle School today. I mean, can we get

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Speaker 2: a commitment from both the parties for some bloody bollards

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Speaker 2: for the oval so that they don't end up with

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Speaker 2: people vandalizing the oval.

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Speaker 3: I can start with that. I want to start go

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Speaker 3: back your friend's past first, all right, ultimately the silpie

685
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Speaker 3: come out announced that, and then I think within a

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Speaker 3: couple of hours, I labor but you did.

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Speaker 5: This last week.

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Speaker 3: Government elective memory. We're not in government. We don't have

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Speaker 3: the leaves to be able to pull it. Where Fred's pass,

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Speaker 3: for example, the government had eight years to do it.

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Speaker 3: They didn't do it.

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Speaker 5: Government promise as opposite years.

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Speaker 3: Ago, they didn't do it. This is ultimately it's about,

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Speaker 3: you know, having the leave of the government in opposition.

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Speaker 1: So what about Sanderson Middle School?

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Speaker 2: The CLP commit to some ballards for the school to

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Speaker 2: make sure that the grounds are safe.

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm not sure that I'm going to go out

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Speaker 3: of limb and say yes, I'm sure expensive cooperation.

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Speaker 6: Yes about you and as I said, in the spirit

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Speaker 6: of cooperation, as you were saying, we would all obviously

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Speaker 6: say yes. But I want to see the Steel Highway

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Speaker 6: raised by the c LP first, all the way to

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Speaker 6: to Sath, Australia.

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Speaker 5: That's three billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm going to follow you both up on Santa's

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Speaker 2: Middle School because I tell you what I just I

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Speaker 2: think when you talk about young people being engaged to

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Speaker 2: good activities, when you've got a situation where you've got

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Speaker 2: more than two hundred members of the Nightcliff Dragon's Rugby

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Speaker 2: Lead Club and then they can't train because there is

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Speaker 2: you know, you've got bloody half a foot of somebody,

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Speaker 2: you know, some I said, these are my words yesterday

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Speaker 2: some wombat doing circle work.

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Speaker 1: On an oval pick on the wom bat.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 1: I love it's you know, it's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: And you think if we are in a situation where

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Speaker 2: we can keep the kids safe as well when they're

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Speaker 2: at school. We also had a parent say to us

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Speaker 2: that over I don't know over what period of time,

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Speaker 2: but over a period of time that there's been a

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Speaker 2: couple of occasions where the schools had to be basically

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Speaker 2: kids have been kept in the classrooms as well, because

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Speaker 2: there's been someone on the oval in a vehicle. I

726
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Speaker 2: think it goes without saying that you've got to keep

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Speaker 2: everybody safe.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, let's move along.

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Speaker 2: Actually we'll take a very quick break because there is

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Speaker 2: still so much to discuss this morning, and we have

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Speaker 2: got a bit of an update when it comes to

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Speaker 2: t NAJA.

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Speaker 1: So we'll take a very quick break.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

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Speaker 2: sixty if you've just joined us in the studio today,

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Speaker 2: Mark Monaghan, Thomas Morgan, Kezierpurican, Jered Mayley. Now we know

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Speaker 2: in the latest on the NAJA saga, the Australian newspaper

738
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Speaker 2: this morning reporting that the board of Australia's largest Aboriginal

739
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Speaker 2: legal service unlawfully sacked its former chief executive, Priscilla Atkins

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Speaker 2: after she raised serious allegations of corruption against senior members

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Speaker 2: of staff.

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Speaker 1: That is what a federal court judge has found.

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Speaker 2: So Judge Natalie Charlesworth on Thursday found the board of

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Speaker 2: the North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency acted unfairly when instigating

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Speaker 2: is so called independent audit targeting Miss Atkins after she

746
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Speaker 2: leveled corruption allegations at their finance chief.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: She also found that then chair Colleen Ross deliberately withheld

749
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Speaker 2: information from the audit which was not consistent with a

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Speaker 2: genuine desire for the audit to make fair and factual findings.

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Speaker 2: I think, no matter how you look at this, NAJA

752
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Speaker 2: is in heck of tr.

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Speaker 1: More right now.

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Speaker 2: And all the while we have got you know, territorians

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Speaker 2: needing to be represented, and I don't know whether that

756
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Speaker 2: is happening in the way in which it should be.

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Speaker 8: Well, we did hear earlier this year as well that

758
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Speaker 8: they had to stop taking new clients in Alla Springs

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Speaker 8: because they couldn't find enough lawyers. So this organization has

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Speaker 8: been through a lot. I hope that this latest finding

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Speaker 8: is a wake up call that there needs to be

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Speaker 8: some serious, you know, serious change at the organization.

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Speaker 3: I agree completely, and like the organization is in a

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Speaker 3: world to hurt and someone, you know, the government need

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Speaker 3: to do all that. And maybe it's going to be

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Speaker 3: the silky government in August when we get in to

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Speaker 3: come in and fix that. But but what about, by

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Speaker 3: the way, in the Northern Territory. So we need to

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Speaker 3: make feel because I want to I want to I'm

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Speaker 3: glad you think you're going to win. The impact has

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Speaker 3: had on the court system because these people will go

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Speaker 3: there to go. You know when I said to defend

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Speaker 3: and go to court and go I need a lawyer,

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Speaker 3: and no one's there. I hear that nado have been

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Speaker 3: flying in the State Council ajourn matters of which it

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Speaker 3: affects other people because you go to the backlog and

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Speaker 3: of course has just been delaying the.

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Speaker 2: LA tough thing about that, I would imagine is that

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Speaker 2: if you are flying people up, I mean maybe they are,

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Speaker 2: maybe they do have good knowledge of the Northern territory,

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Speaker 2: but you do wonder whether they actually do or not,

782
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Speaker 2: what they know about the case, what they know about

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Speaker 2: the client, whether it is indeed the best representation then

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Speaker 2: for that person, and everybody does deserve representation with a

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Speaker 2: that's exactly right.

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Speaker 7: But this is going to cost that organization, which is

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Speaker 7: ultimate excuse me us taxpayers around the country. It's going

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Speaker 7: to cost me a lot of money because it's the

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Speaker 7: decision has been found in favor of the pas CEO.

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Speaker 7: No doubt she will get cost awarded for her. They'll

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Speaker 7: have to pay her costs, et cetera. And then there'll

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Speaker 7: be some kind of negotiated settlement or payout so and

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Speaker 7: that will come out of nage's budget. It won't come

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Speaker 7: out of any other bucket or the money.

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Speaker 6: That's right, and the bottom line is that people have

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Speaker 6: funded to deliver a particular service, to need to do

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Speaker 6: the job, and because ultimately the only people that actually

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Speaker 6: live out on that are the people they're trying to help.

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Speaker 6: And I've got no problem with whatever representation comes from anywhere,

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Speaker 6: because I actually think that the lawyers are pretty cluey

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Speaker 6: and they actually and mister Melie agrees with me with that,

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Speaker 6: But what and what they do is obviously get to

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Speaker 6: know the case. So I've got no problem with that.

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Speaker 6: But just do your job that your funded from.

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Speaker 7: Well, stop playing politics if they are playing politics.

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Speaker 3: But I think I think.

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Speaker 7: It should give us a it should give the organization

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Speaker 7: what's left of it, a serious wake up call, because

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Speaker 7: there is clearly some serious governance issues in there, some

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Speaker 7: clear issues of quality of servers, and perhaps it goes

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Speaker 7: across the board. They're hiring practices, you know, they're training

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Speaker 7: in house practices. How they allocate lawyers to particular jobs,

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Speaker 7: I don't know how that kind of group works, but

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Speaker 7: there's clearly some serious issues. It needs to be looked at.

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Speaker 7: And so Hoover wins government in August, they've got to

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Speaker 7: get on the door and knock on the door of

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Speaker 7: the convalt and get it sort of bronto.

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Speaker 4: That's what I was going to just ask is. And

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Speaker 4: I know that they're not.

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Speaker 8: Here to provide a writer forply, but where's the federal

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Speaker 8: govern where's the federal Attorney General Mark Dreyfus and all this?

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Speaker 8: Because this is a federally funded organization.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 8: You know, the Commonwealth ultimately is responsible for how it's operating,

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Speaker 8: and if it's not operating to a standard that is

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Speaker 8: sufficient for what it's there for, then serious questions need

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Speaker 8: to be asked about how what it looks like going forward,

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Speaker 8: and the federal government probably has to be And I'd be,

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Speaker 8: you know, of Chancey Paik, we're here to answer questions.

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Speaker 8: I'd be asking him what sort of representations have you

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Speaker 8: made to Cander about what you know the future of

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Speaker 8: this organization and does there need to be a change?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely no, I expect that he'd actually do this to

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Speaker 6: ensure as I said, because obviously the Feds do pay

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Speaker 6: for it. They have an expectation of what they're getting

836
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Speaker 6: when they pay this amount of money, and the administration

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Speaker 6: of it obviously sits under Chancey Pai Beker's the Attorney

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Speaker 6: General to ensure that that's slipper and there are serious

839
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Speaker 6: issues going on here that need to be addressed.

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Speaker 2: Look, we are going to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: It is the week it was before we go though.

843
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Speaker 2: A couple of things to still cover off on this morning.

844
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Speaker 2: We know that well, the Darwin City Council issued quite

845
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Speaker 2: a lengthy statement earlier in the week about well that

846
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: wanting to clarify recent commentary relating to commemorative activities for

847
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Speaker 2: the fiftieth anniversary of Cyclone Tracy the City of Darwin

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Speaker 2: releasing the design of a kinetic structure, which they've formally

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Speaker 2: referred to as a monument. They're now wanting to talk

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Speaker 2: about it as a kinetic sculpture. It's going to be

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00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: installed of course at Bundilla Beach Reserve. The color is

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00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: changing slightly and I guess they're hoping to what, Well,

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Speaker 2: no idea at this point in time, No idea at

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00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 2: this point in time, All the while, the discussion continues

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Speaker 2: to rage on from Cyclone Tracy survivors Katie, Katie, I.

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00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 7: Went through Cyclone Tracy, so could call a survivor. I'm

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00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 7: not traumatized by high winds and so I did get

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Speaker 7: his when Marcus came through. But I know my mother

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00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 7: has memories because because she was the mother and she

860
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 7: had children, she had to look after, et cetera. But

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00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 7: I know there, and I've got constituents and Jered Ward

862
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 7: know people. There are people who are severely traumatized because

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00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 7: they either know someone who died, or they lost a

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00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 7: loved one, or they just had the living Bejesus skid

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Speaker 7: out them. So you know, it is a very serious

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Speaker 7: moment and a serious memory for a lot of those people.

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Speaker 7: And I can't believe, Well, I mean, what was the council.

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Speaker 7: This is not just the mayor combats cars. The whole

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Speaker 7: council voted for this. So what were they thinking? Did

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Speaker 7: they presume they did some resource, did some perhaps focus

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Speaker 7: groups or whatever? I mean? And why didn't they put

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Speaker 7: it out to why didn't they put it out to

873
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Speaker 7: like a competition, Because.

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Speaker 8: They always comes back to consultation with these sorts of things.

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Speaker 2: Especially with something like the fiftieth adversary, because I don't

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Speaker 2: think anything that they've done, I think they've done everything

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Speaker 2: in good faith. I don't think that they agree that

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Speaker 2: they thought that this was going to blow up in

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Speaker 2: the way that it did. But I guess even for me,

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00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: it was a bit of an educational situation for me

881
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: over the life couple of weeks on air, because to

882
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: begin with, when.

883
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: I'd heard about it, I thought, oh, yeah, right, no worries.

884
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 2: You know, they're putting a sculpture up, or they're planning

885
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: a sculpture there at Bundilla.

886
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 7: Beach, but using to something there and something well.

887
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: But then also after you listen to different territories who've

888
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: lived through Cyclone tracy whether they have found traumatic that's right,

889
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: and what it means to them this fiftieth anniversary and

890
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: commemorating it appropriately, and you two.

891
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 7: Come thirteen thousand people were evacuated just on thirty thousand

892
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 7: people over the three or four days, so I think

893
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 7: the town they had about fifty thousand give or take.

894
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: Now, yes we lost sixty seventish or whatever people.

895
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 7: So they died, but when you see the photos, there

896
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 7: was nothing left of hundreds of thousands or thousands of houses.

897
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 7: So all those people you know, went downstairs or hit

898
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 7: in their cars or whatever they did. Now, that in

899
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 7: itself is traumatizing. And of course a lot of people

900
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 7: have died in cyclone, Tracy, I get that, left town, etc.

901
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 7: But the ones that are here is probably about five

902
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 7: ten percent of our population, give or tape. That's a statistician,

903
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 7: that not me. And you know, it's just that they're

904
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 7: just out of touch, you dancing your counsels. That's the

905
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 7: tragedy that this whole thing.

906
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 2: And we spoke to mc palmer about it a couple

907
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: of days ago and he said, you know, Katie, i'mus

908
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: like he's you know, he lived through it, and he,

909
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: you know, he thinks it's a good thing. That the

910
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 2: other counselors obviously voted for it as well. We've spoken

911
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: to Brian o' gallagher. He had sort of different you know,

912
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: he had a different idea.

913
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 6: And Caddie like my own fam, my ice family. She

914
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 6: tells the story of her home blowing away, the stairs

915
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 6: blowing the way, and her mother, who was six months

916
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 6: pregnant with her jumping off the first floor into her

917
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 6: father's up very romantic sort of setting, but scary. As

918
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 6: as I said, they've lived through it, and I think

919
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 6: the most important thing because when you come to art,

920
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 6: people's appreciation of artistic in this way is always going

921
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 6: to be polarizing. You'll either love it, and I think

922
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 6: the good thing about it is having a debate on it.

923
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 6: Having committed, but this debate that should have been part

924
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 6: of the consultation that led to an appropriate outcome because

925
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 6: to me, the most important thing that goes from this

926
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 6: fiftieth anniversary, and I wasn't here when it happened, but

927
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 6: as I said, my wife and her family were, is

928
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 6: the narratives, the stories of the people were here need

929
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 6: to live on. Yeah, that's the most thing.

930
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 3: I just think the council can do better. Territorians are talking,

931
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: they need to listen and changing the color doesn't cut

932
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: it for me.

933
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: You know.

934
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: They need to go back and look at it and go, Okay,

935
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: we've had this consultation. Whatever it was obviously needs more

936
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: of it, and the council can do better. And I

937
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 3: think territorians asking to have this.

938
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 8: Debate better before the design has landed on the first

939
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 8: that many of us had ever heard that this you know,

940
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 8: was happening. Yep, was when council released the design and

941
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 8: there was a blow up about it.

942
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: We're calling it a mango tree fillopian tubes.

943
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 2: I saw somebody at photoshop combat Scarlus's face onto all

944
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: of the different sort of you know, like, you know,

945
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: this is the thing.

946
00:41:54,080 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: People would just say, drop beers. I did someone photoshop huge,

947
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: but like this is the thing.

948
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: You know, these discussions and I totally understand that everybody's

949
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: going to view art in a different way. But I

950
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: think what I've really you know, what I've learned over

951
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks is this is something that

952
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: people are incredibly passionate about. It doesn't look like the

953
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: Council is going to change their mind on this. It

954
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: looks as though they are forging.

955
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 7: I reckon, this hasn't been built. Okay, the contract's locked

956
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 7: in with the artist. That's fine, but surely they can

957
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 7: go back to the artist and say, look, we need

958
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 7: to have a little rethink about this and a little

959
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 7: bit of talk about because.

960
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 6: And the other point, Katie, again, they've received money from

961
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 6: the Conworth. It needs to be spent in line with

962
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 6: what that application, that grant was and because we've been

963
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 6: talking about that all.

964
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: Day to day and and that's and that's exactly right.

965
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: And so the pressure lease that had come out at

966
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: the time had said that it did need to be

967
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: in connection with Cyclone Tracy. So but look, before we

968
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: wrap up Territory Day on Monday, I've got the day

969
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: off the Territory Day.

970
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: To blow Oh yeah, I'm just going to start at

971
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: nine o'clock in the morning.

972
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 2: Now, No, I'm definitely not. I think people are pretty please.

973
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 2: That are the major celebrations for Territory Day. Obviously at

974
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: at Mindle Beach, It's going to be a busy one,

975
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 2: no doubt.

976
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it. I'm going to put my

977
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 3: horses away, my dogs away. My dog is like really

978
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: freaked out, so I've got some medicine from the vet

979
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 3: just to help him get through it. And I'm going

980
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 3: to blow stuff up.

981
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: I am, That's what That's what blokes do.

982
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 8: I'll have my helmet on, my kevlar best and I'll

983
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 8: head down to Nightcliff Beach. And it's always well, yeah,

984
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 8: I could have a little press sticker on or something.

985
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 4: It's just always good time.

986
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 5: It's the greatest day of the year.

987
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 6: Just keep it safe and be mindful of others.

988
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 7: And just make sure if you do have dogs, and

989
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 7: because you never know, especially older dogs, they do tend

990
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 7: to get spook, so go to the vet.

991
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: There's lots of things that can just help bring them

992
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: down a bit.

993
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 7: And also pressure not pressure bandages, but you can have

994
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 7: pressure jackets that you put around dogs mid rifts as well.

995
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 7: But bets continell you about that. Well, you can just

996
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 7: improvise with us. And last year, please don't take your

997
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 7: dog to the not young people. I've seen people take

998
00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 7: their dogs tonight with beach.

999
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,479
Speaker 6: Okay, just another top overnight. That's why it looks so tired.

1000
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 6: Four AM and New York Stock Exchange tambour and launched

1001
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 6: onto this. They listed about twenty one dollars US a

1002
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 6: share I think it is, and we saw Joel they're

1003
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 6: ringing the bell, which was fantastic. So great for the

1004
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 6: territory downfall, Joel Riddle, can you right.

1005
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: News, what's that mean for the territory? In your eyes,

1006
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: that's what that means for the territories.

1007
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 6: They can raise capital to get the gas flowing, to

1008
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 6: bring the money into the territory that pays for everything

1009
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 6: that we need.

1010
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 7: Here and they might in due course list on the

1011
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 7: Australian Stock Exchange.

1012
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 5: That's right.

1013
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 7: But also it's the Lichfield or Spectacular this weekend.

1014
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: Wonderful.

1015
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, not just orchards, all sorts of other plants, coladiums,

1016
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 7: really as, etcetera, etcetera, that you can purchase, cup of teas, coffees. Great,

1017
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 7: it's just it's a lovely experience. Just go and look

1018
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 7: at the beautiful plants.

1019
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. The flowers are beautiful.

1020
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are definitely. Don't give me one because I

1021
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: will not be able to keep for a life.

1022
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm not very good. I'm not much of a green thumb.

1023
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 2: Markhan, thank you very much for your time this morning.

1024
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: Of course our labor representative, Minister for Education and other

1025
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: thank you you too. Thomas Morgan, political reporter for the ABC,

1026
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: Thank you as always for your time today.

1027
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1028
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: Katie Kezier pure Thanks Katie, outgoing independent member for Goider

1029
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 2: but always a political commentator for us here on Mix.

1030
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1031
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: Jared Mailey, the Member for Nelson and shadow Minister and Deputy.

1032
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: God visionally.

1033
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly you're listening to Mix one O four nine's

1034
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 2: three sixty.

1035
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: That was the week that was