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Speaker 1: Now. Earlier this week, Alice Springs are under Elders and

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Speaker 1: traditional Owners stood side by side with Jacinta Nampa Jumper

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Speaker 1: Price calling for the Prime Minister to launch an inquiry

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Speaker 1: into the Central Land Council. Now they stood with the

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Speaker 1: Senator who said the bullying, the poor governance and the

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Speaker 1: lack of accountability has reached a breaking point. Senator Namba

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Speaker 1: Jumper Price joins me on the line. Good morning to

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Speaker 1: your senator.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Senator, the three are under elders alleged the recent

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Speaker 1: conduct of the Central Land Council breach the Aboriginal Land

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Speaker 1: Rights Act of nineteen seventy six. What exactly happened?

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Speaker 2: So the women that we have been concerned for some time,

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Speaker 2: and look, I've had traditional owners coming to me during

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Speaker 2: the whole time that I have sat as a Senator,

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Speaker 2: Law and Indigenous shown in back prior to But these

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Speaker 2: women came forward because they were concerned and about the

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Speaker 2: way in which the current chair has been treated by

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Speaker 2: the Central Land Council. We're talking about people, often whose

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Speaker 2: first language is in English, who are seeking change, seeking

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Speaker 2: better governance within the Land Council. The chair wanted to

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Speaker 2: move a motion at their last full council meeting dismissing

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Speaker 2: the CEO. The chair thought he was successful in that

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Speaker 2: nothing's come about as a result. There's all kinds of

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Speaker 2: stuff that is going on behind the scenes, and the

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Speaker 2: problem with land councils is that there is no transparency,

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Speaker 2: no accountability. There's things like minutes that should have been

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Speaker 2: taken that don't seem to exist anywhere. According to the Act,

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Speaker 2: those women, as traditional owners were told to leave that meeting,

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Speaker 2: and under the Land Rights Act they had every right

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Speaker 2: to be there. According to the Act, that right to

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Speaker 2: be there was breached and they were told to leave

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Speaker 2: that particular meeting. So, you know they're talking about and

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Speaker 2: I know that there have been groups in the past

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Speaker 2: who have looked at the idea of having breakaway land

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Speaker 2: councils because in their view, they want to be able

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Speaker 2: to have better employment, activity, economic outcomes by using their

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Speaker 2: own land. You know, they're sitting around going their land

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Speaker 2: councilors are supposed to be there to act in their interests.

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Speaker 2: Then why is there still poverty? Why isn't there any

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Speaker 2: economic development on their country? These are the questions that

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Speaker 2: they're beginning to ask.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which I think is fair enough. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: very fair to ask those questions if they feel that

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Speaker 1: there haven't been those outcomes justin they're obviously calling now

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Speaker 1: for the Prime Minister to launch an inquiry into things.

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Speaker 1: What are they hoping that that inquiry finds?

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Speaker 2: So what they hope for? What I been I've been

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Speaker 2: asking for an inquiry Now We've put a motion on

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Speaker 2: the floor of the Senate twice. The Coalition has to

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Speaker 2: launch an inquiry into land councils and statugy authorities to

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Speaker 2: look at the governance issues. But this would offer the

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Speaker 2: opportunity to give those women and any other traditional owners

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Speaker 2: be heard so that their concerns can be raised, you know.

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Speaker 2: And it's so it's so fascical that the Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: Anthony ALBINIZI, you know, we talk about giving ensuring that

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Speaker 2: we listen to Aboriginal people. They wanted to establish the

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Speaker 2: voice in order to do so, and I always argued

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Speaker 2: we have the capacity, we have already in place, the

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Speaker 2: mechanisms like inquiries to offer a voice to those that

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Speaker 2: need to be heard. And yet the Labor government, the Greens,

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Speaker 2: the likes of Senator Pocock and others in the cross bench,

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Speaker 2: voted this motion down. Every time. You know, Minister Melandery

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Speaker 2: has said she wants to work in a bipartisan capacity.

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Speaker 2: Now's the time to step up and to work in

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Speaker 2: that capacity for the benefit of traditional owners.

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Speaker 1: Jacindra, I want to ask you about another situation, one

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Speaker 1: which has been reported in the Australian newspaper this morning.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've probably seen it, a report by Liam Mendez.

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory police that's been reported were too busy to

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Speaker 1: before she was found allegedly murdered by her partner, who'd

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Speaker 1: been banned from contacting her for two decades. So according

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Speaker 1: to the report last Thursday, he was well. The man,

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Speaker 1: she was found dead at a home in Darwin's Northern Suburbs.

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Speaker 1: Now sources have told The Australian that the police couldn't

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Speaker 1: What do you I mean, have you read that story

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it is extremely tragic and there are a

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Speaker 2: number of issues and a number of concerns taking place here.

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Speaker 2: You know, absolutely when it comes to domestic and family violence,

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Speaker 2: especially when there is a dev order against someone for

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Speaker 2: police to well to prioritize that case in the first place,

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Speaker 2: to avoid I mean, let's face it, her death was avoidable.

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Speaker 2: There's that concern. There's the concern that you know, we've

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Speaker 2: always had that the police are very underresourced, but there's

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Speaker 2: and you know, I guess in any other jurisdiction somebody's

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Speaker 2: do know that there's a concern with amongst the police

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Speaker 2: looked at more broadly because how can the morale of

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Speaker 2: the top braths aren't effectively managing the situation, or supporting

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Speaker 1: And according to this report, according to this report, it

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Speaker 1: says officers on the ground say the failure to conduct

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Speaker 1: the check was a prime example of the dire resourcing

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Speaker 1: issues police face every day. And I know I've spoken

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Speaker 1: to the police on so many occasions about the number

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Speaker 1: of callouts to domestic violence incidents. I mean, is it

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Speaker 1: time for us to to look at approaching the domestic

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Speaker 2: Perhaps there is perhaps there needs to be a specific

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Speaker 2: know that you know, the DV issue is massive, that

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Speaker 2: there's you know, the callouts are in the hundreds daily

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Speaker 2: and maybe there needs to be a DV specific task

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Speaker 2: force that addresses DV alone. I mean, it's huge, right,

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Speaker 2: and we have to take care of our police and

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Speaker 2: the same token because the PTSD that our officers experience

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Speaker 2: is huge, So we have to make sure that we're

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Speaker 2: taking care of our offices and more broadly as a community.

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Speaker 2: You know, the active class need to back off and

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Speaker 2: and I would urge the activist class to back off

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Speaker 2: rates of DV.

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Speaker 1: Senator, I know you very pressed for time, so just

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Speaker 1: a really quick last question this morning. I haven't spoken

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Speaker 1: to you obviously since the since the new government was elected,

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Speaker 1: aside from on Saturday on Sky what are you really

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Speaker 1: hoping to see? I know that Leo Fanocchiaro hitting the

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Speaker 1: ground running, but you know it's I guess they've got

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Speaker 1: to get stuck into work really very quickly, don't they.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and I know there's a level of urgency

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Speaker 2: that they're certainly feeling, but absolutely they need to figure

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Speaker 2: out who's going to be taking what in terms of

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Speaker 2: the ministry absolutely. But the crime issue, I know, is

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Speaker 2: something that been particularly passionate about and I feel they

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Speaker 2: will get stuck into and we as we learn, you know,

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Speaker 2: the crime hasn't stopped at all because there's been an election,

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Speaker 2: and so it's going to be a huge undertaking going

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Speaker 2: forward and it'll have to be immediately. But yeah, look,

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Speaker 2: it's been a great victory and I think just being

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Speaker 2: around the territory the last few days of just seeing

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Speaker 2: the sort of there has been a bit of a

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Speaker 2: lift of morale amongst territorians and a sense of hopes

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Speaker 2: going forward, which is great to see.

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Speaker 1: Well, Senator j just sent a number Jumper Price. Always

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Speaker 1: good to catch up with you. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for your time today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you