Speaker 1: Computer classes were like for the dumb kids, like people
Speaker 1: will be like what and like people shall try to
Speaker 1: teach us like maybe it's beacon like typing skills and
Speaker 1: we're like, we're not here for that.
Speaker 2: Does anyone else remember?
Speaker 3: Maybe it's speaking, Oh my God to play and you
Speaker 3: hear a lot of creators now say you spend more
Speaker 3: time creating than you do consumeing.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine now not having access to you, for example,
Speaker 1: I'm always always be careful.
Speaker 2: Lot those.
Speaker 4: Hi, I'm Amanda and I'm Rumby.
Speaker 2: Welcome to its layered podcasts.
Speaker 4: We're under the Black Class Network, Power by iHeart, and
Speaker 4: today we are recording in studio.
Speaker 1: If you're watching me roomby, Oh my God, it's so
Speaker 1: good to have you here.
Speaker 2: In my It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: I feel like we say that every time, like we
Speaker 3: if you haven't already listened to our special, we did
Speaker 3: definitely say that, but I won't lie. It definitely feels
Speaker 3: good to be in person, Yeah, in studio, getting this
Speaker 3: thing going finally after all the weeks of planning.
Speaker 1: For sure, and obviously you were here because we had
Speaker 1: our first ever live podcast show for Beyond the Valley
Speaker 1: Music festival.
Speaker 2: What a ride.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: It's a different ballgame recording live in front of an audience. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that definitely was a learning curve for us, but we
Speaker 3: had fun.
Speaker 4: And it was so surreal. Yeah, it was incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is more a vibe you know, like
Speaker 1: in studio with an edit pause button, whereas.
Speaker 2: When you're live, you're like here we go. So that was.
Speaker 1: I'm so surprised. There's so many podcasts out of the UK.
Speaker 1: If we're doing live podcasting. It's definitely another talent.
Speaker 3: Definitely, but it's also a thrill, I think, and I'm
Speaker 3: so glad I've got to do it with you, Amanda
Speaker 3: for the first time.
Speaker 2: Where are we today?
Speaker 1: So today we're Bittersweet Studio, which was so happy about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, black female owned studio, yep, and I'm recording
Speaker 1: with my fellow black female podcaster. This is such a
Speaker 1: special moment as that you can see we've got a
Speaker 1: little set up going room.
Speaker 2: What do you think of the.
Speaker 3: Vibe of the vibes are vibing, by the way, So
Speaker 3: the whole reason why we have this beautiful setup, which
Speaker 3: was done by the Pink Lady Picnics, you should check
Speaker 3: them out.
Speaker 2: They're incredible.
Speaker 3: Is because we thought for season six, we're gonna write
Speaker 3: a love letter to women, women of color and just
Speaker 3: celebrate ourselves because I think so often we're striving and
Speaker 3: there's a lot of strife in this life. Hey, that's
Speaker 3: a bar right there. So we just thought let's get
Speaker 3: into our soft girl era. Okay, and if you're watching,
Speaker 3: you can see we're a little soft girly yes today
Speaker 3: or the girlipops as you can tell.
Speaker 2: I just learned that word. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, it's our sort of gift to you and
Speaker 3: to say like you're doing great, sweetie, like you know,
Speaker 3: shout out to you, you're working hard, doing the things,
Speaker 3: but also take time to celebrate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: I think it was especially as black women were always
Speaker 1: in survival.
Speaker 2: Mode, true, all the time.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's nice to just enjoy the vista, take
Speaker 1: a step back and actually really reflect on all the
Speaker 1: things that we do. So definitely leaning into a soft
Speaker 1: girl era for this season.
Speaker 2: For sure, for sure.
Speaker 3: And so as we kick off season six, which is
Speaker 3: wild for me to even like, I can't even remember
Speaker 3: what do we talk about in season five?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, I don't see them five, they're our specials.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it feels like aon's ago.
Speaker 3: But today we thought we would kick start with life
Speaker 3: Before and After the Internet showing age today.
Speaker 2: Okay, some people like remember was before? Yeah, they're like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean no Internet?
Speaker 3: So I mean before we get truly into that between
Speaker 3: season five and the special.
Speaker 4: Is there anything else that happened aside from BTV for us?
Speaker 2: For you?
Speaker 1: Definitely we joined the black Cast Network, which is amazing
Speaker 1: powered by iHeart and it's a hub of diverse voices,
Speaker 1: obviously predominantly First Nations in Australia, but also people of
Speaker 1: color like us, and I think it was quite important
Speaker 1: to us to join like minded community and definitely we
Speaker 1: feel like we're at home. Definitely check out black Cast Network.
Speaker 1: They have a lovely roster of other podcasts to check out.
Speaker 1: And it's it's good to actually not only be about
Speaker 1: it but also be a part of it, I think
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: And you know you were featured on an episode with
Speaker 3: Mundanara Podcasts and yeah, I think it's just great to
Speaker 3: have a family that we belong to. Definitely, anything exciting
Speaker 3: happened in your personal life?
Speaker 1: Ooh, personal life twenty twenty four Mad Blur. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: just feels like we were just grinding and working and working,
Speaker 1: I mean not only to do BTV and to do
Speaker 1: this season, but also just on ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can only say for myself, I really was like, okay,
Speaker 1: now it's I was kind of in a slumber after
Speaker 1: you know, motherhood, new motherhood. But now I'm more and
Speaker 1: more confident in my role and my life now. So
Speaker 1: I feel like twenty twenty four was kind of like
Speaker 1: rising from the dead, rising from the ashes. Yeah, from
Speaker 1: the definitely from thees. So I'm quite excited for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. I feel like it's starting on a good foundation.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 4: I'm happy for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about you?
Speaker 3: Twenty two Andy, four was thug life. I only even
Speaker 3: gonna hold you like thug life. I'm so glad we're
Speaker 3: done with that, and I hope five comes right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a lot, a lot of work, a lot of sweat,
Speaker 3: blood tears, some great memories made. If you haven't listened
Speaker 3: to our Affronation episode, you we went to Affronation and Coordination,
Speaker 3: which was incredible. Yeah, honestly, I can say I feel.
Speaker 2: Like worked hard.
Speaker 4: Hopefully the fruits of our labor will come to fruition.
Speaker 1: And you can feel them this season. Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1: So what do you think all of the stuff we've
Speaker 1: talked about? Yeah, do you remember a time before the internet?
Speaker 2: I distinctly remember.
Speaker 3: I remember at school when we got computers.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, so like life.
Speaker 3: I think that's when I can switch on that light
Speaker 3: where it was we got computers.
Speaker 2: At that time.
Speaker 3: We lived in Ghana and our school had like computers
Speaker 3: in each classroom and then there was a library with
Speaker 3: computers and then we had to start taking computer Yeah,
Speaker 3: like I don't know, how do you floppy disk? Do
Speaker 3: people even know what a floppy disk is?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think we know that symbol, but they don't
Speaker 2: actually know what the symbol of save.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah it was a floppy disk and yeah that's
Speaker 3: kind of where my first kind of moment of knowing.
Speaker 1: And isn't it funny because I'm sure And definitely in
Speaker 1: the Zimbabwean context, computer classes were like for the dumb kids,
Speaker 1: Like people would be like, what now she's doing computers?
Speaker 1: But it was like such a like people be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I want to do math. Why don't
Speaker 1: you do like English lips instead? Of like, but then
Speaker 1: now it's like, how funny is that? Ironic?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Like it was just such or it was such a
Speaker 1: class you would take if you want to just take
Speaker 1: the piss. Yeah, you'd like maybe like go on paint
Speaker 1: and do a few squares color the women, and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: look what I did on a computer.
Speaker 2: And then now it's like how far have we come? True? True?
Speaker 1: I remember even even once we were in high school,
Speaker 1: we had that computer lab that was built on the
Speaker 1: new library, and people would go there to like truly yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and like people shall try to teach us like maybe
Speaker 1: it'speacon like typing skills, and we're like, we're not here
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 4: There's anyone else remember maybe it's speaking, Oh my.
Speaker 1: God, yeah, to play in this. I want to do
Speaker 1: my other homework. You know, we did not take it
Speaker 1: seriously but actually made us.
Speaker 4: Speaking helped because have you seen aunties typing?
Speaker 1: I will tell you that that typing Yeah literally just yeah,
Speaker 1: it definitely has helped.
Speaker 3: But what was life like compared to now pre Internet?
Speaker 3: Like maybe let's sat the little gin alpha.
Speaker 2: No, this is for jer Roman and his friends. I
Speaker 2: feel like.
Speaker 1: Life is simpler, but we didn't know, and privacy was
Speaker 1: granted automatically. True, you didn't have to work so hard
Speaker 1: to have it. Yes, you know, your your details and
Speaker 1: an email. I actually remember an email start. My dad
Speaker 1: had his email, and like we would all get like
Speaker 1: people be like, oh, what's your email? Oh I don't
Speaker 1: have one, but my dad has one, and like literally
Speaker 1: he would they like print.
Speaker 2: If someone emailed you, you would like print.
Speaker 1: I think we went on French tour in form four,
Speaker 1: so we were like sixteen seventeen, went to France and
Speaker 1: then obviously meet I guess obviously in Europe it was
Speaker 1: a bit more advanced, so we were like, oh, what's
Speaker 1: your email and you're like, that's okay, just email my
Speaker 1: dad and like, because I think we thought of it
Speaker 1: like posting a letter, like oh.
Speaker 2: You can a box four you yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: So I remember like handing out my email to like
Speaker 1: my dad's email to like all these people, and then
Speaker 1: like you know, when he got back to Zim, people
Speaker 1: would like email me and and then would like print
Speaker 1: it out, and I'm like, oh, okay. Then I come
Speaker 1: to his office and reply via his email. Oh my
Speaker 1: obviously this man could see everything you were reading. But
Speaker 1: we weren't even thinking that way. To me, it was
Speaker 1: just like, oh my gosh, it's a cool way to communicate.
Speaker 1: And then you go for I went for holidays so
Speaker 1: UK until this day, my very first email has dot UK.
Speaker 1: That's where I sit up my first you know, my
Speaker 1: cousins were onto it again. Europe was a bit more advanced,
Speaker 1: but it was just so innocently walking into the internet,
Speaker 1: you know, and dial up. I remember that and like
Speaker 1: the phone, get off the phone, I'm downloading.
Speaker 2: Trash, trash trash.
Speaker 4: Yo.
Speaker 2: Do you have any core memories pre Internet?
Speaker 3: I just remember we're outside, like you were playing outside.
Speaker 3: That that's where the fun was. I was a bookworm,
Speaker 3: so I was always reading books.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Life was very insular, yeah, like very like sheltered in
Speaker 3: a really real way. And then a core memory of
Speaker 3: us having our first computer at home. My parents set
Speaker 3: up in our study and we used to play these
Speaker 3: computer games like Taken was taken on there? No, I don't,
Speaker 3: I think it was PlayStation, but we played like this
Speaker 3: car race game. I forget the names of these games
Speaker 3: and whatever, and mine sleeper, Oh my gosh, solitis solitar,
Speaker 3: and was like you just wow, wait, time just on
Speaker 3: this thing diallop was real and take forever to connect
Speaker 3: and your parents, don't forget to disconnect. Don't forget to
Speaker 3: disconnect the internet because and I just remember being like,
Speaker 3: oh gosh, yeah, yeah, those are my core I think.
Speaker 1: From Yeah, definitely, it was just And even the Y
Speaker 1: two K we talked about this second day were like,
Speaker 1: do people even realize it was such a stress for people,
Speaker 1: Like what's going to happen when you moved from ninety
Speaker 1: nine to two thousand?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They even had songs like Mammagana party like it's nineteen
Speaker 3: Hold the pity is here with me always singing a
Speaker 3: level yeah everyone, and then waiting for tonight video all
Speaker 3: the ball would drop yes, and then it went down
Speaker 3: saying yeah, I didn't really know what the era was,
Speaker 3: would hold. I think I can liken it to what
Speaker 3: AI is now, like how everyone kind of knows this
Speaker 3: AI is a buzzword, but there's a bit of anxiety
Speaker 3: around what it.
Speaker 2: Means for you man harnessing powers.
Speaker 3: And we literally saw that shift happen, and so interesting
Speaker 3: it happened at the shift from us going from primary
Speaker 3: school to high school definitely, So it's like, literally, yeah,
Speaker 3: and in high school just like solidified. So the time
Speaker 3: you finished high school, we were now kind of fully
Speaker 3: getd that's been social media as in facebooks, and then started.
Speaker 2: That aspect of the internet right for sure.
Speaker 1: Before in high school was just like okay, can you
Speaker 1: play solitaic?
Speaker 2: Can you so?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Can you familiarize yourself with the computer?
Speaker 1: And then after that was what's your identity on the internet?
Speaker 1: You know, isn't that because I really am so grateful
Speaker 1: that now we didn't have that in high school. I
Speaker 1: didn't have an Instagram, I didn't have Facebook. Now for
Speaker 1: kids it's so stuff.
Speaker 4: Here's a question for the girlies and guys.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's the equivalent of pops girly pops
Speaker 3: and every one.
Speaker 4: Like high school age, how are they coping?
Speaker 3: Like living with the internet being such an integral part
Speaker 3: because when we were in high school, even our phones,
Speaker 3: we weren't allowed phones on us until we were in
Speaker 3: uh fifth form, fifthful, Yeah, a block if you get it,
Speaker 3: I think a bloc you could get it for longer
Speaker 3: hours when we were about sixteen, but literally and I
Speaker 3: we used to play like what is that game snake
Speaker 3: on our phone.
Speaker 1: Or nott thty three exactly dropped the ball because they.
Speaker 4: Were funds again and they were under money, and like, it's.
Speaker 1: So funny because now in Australia they're trying to revamp
Speaker 1: that like sixteen year olds plus her phone access of
Speaker 1: social or on social media. Like so it's almost like
Speaker 1: in some ways our teachers at the time were ahead
Speaker 1: of the curve in terms of them controlling and limitting
Speaker 1: and you cannot focus on school if you have the
Speaker 1: world in your pocket. Like it's just it doesn't it
Speaker 1: doesn't work. And they're like, now how they navigate?
Speaker 3: Then the bully thing too, Like it's just insane. And
Speaker 3: I wonder if they have classes on.
Speaker 4: The internet.
Speaker 3: I know my sister's a teacher and they do have
Speaker 3: like kind of safety classes, but we didn't have none
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which actually brings us to think, what are
Speaker 1: the benefits or the drawbacks of having the world in
Speaker 1: your pocket?
Speaker 2: Do you think listen?
Speaker 4: Firstly, we wouldn't even be podcasting if there was no internet.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Number one, Accessibility is probably the biggest thing. Media houses
Speaker 3: had the power. You know, if you loved a c eleb,
Speaker 3: you waited until someone published something on them. Announcements were
Speaker 3: made through media, and then if you lived in countries
Speaker 3: like Zimbabwe, where you were so far removed, you.
Speaker 2: Barely had actions.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember we would like share magazine and someone would
Speaker 1: come with the magazine.
Speaker 2: You'll be like oh, and that's when you would get.
Speaker 1: The latest news exactly, new magazine call exactly.
Speaker 3: Now it's like you see your favorite eleb somehow and
Speaker 3: you're lucky and you can get a selfie and you
Speaker 3: share that like oh, and people get where they are.
Speaker 3: So access and then obviously has more access happens.
Speaker 4: The cost of these.
Speaker 3: Things Internet, Wi Fi phones goes down, and that's why
Speaker 3: more people can podcast now it's not just media houses
Speaker 3: with radio shows. Yeah, so it all kind of ripple
Speaker 3: effects my work. I don't think I would have like
Speaker 3: my work is dependent on the internet.
Speaker 2: Research.
Speaker 4: Like we used to go to the library and read
Speaker 4: and that.
Speaker 2: Our librarian crazy if you get what his name was.
Speaker 1: Now in high school we were like yeah, people like
Speaker 1: souls and you're like, dude, I'm just trying to do
Speaker 1: my rear.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and for you.
Speaker 1: I think, look, the benefit is having access to information,
Speaker 1: true and equal access, like everyone can as long as
Speaker 1: you have internet, everyone can reach that website. There is
Speaker 1: no because as you said, we had to depend on libraries,
Speaker 1: and then you'd have to depend on the stock of
Speaker 1: sin like but now everyone can look it up, you know,
Speaker 1: the same time, the same Netflix, for example.
Speaker 2: I mean you just saw.
Speaker 1: Beyonce a ball, yes, and like everyone could see that.
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't like an American thing, which typically
Speaker 1: never used to happen growing up.
Speaker 2: True, you would always wait time.
Speaker 1: But I used to love my favorite soap opera and
Speaker 1: like you would see South Africa would have it and
Speaker 1: then they would like write a synoposis, Oh the person's
Speaker 1: gonna die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's crazy.
Speaker 1: You were like a year or two be hind behind
Speaker 1: because again, networks didn't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't equal access.
Speaker 1: I felt like the Internet kind of smashed that in
Speaker 1: it made that all those networks that kind of like
Speaker 1: Gate kept a lot of stuff can't do it anymore.
Speaker 3: Like I'm sure Beyonce ball. We would have seen it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe in a couple of money like VMAs. Yes, like
Speaker 3: if you didn't unless you had like MTV, but then
Speaker 3: sometimes even that was delayed, it wouldn't air necessarily like
Speaker 3: live you get the recorded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bruh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously you don't know what you don't know,
Speaker 1: so we didn't know that there was another option where
Speaker 1: you can see at the same time as everyone else.
Speaker 1: But now that we do, a door has been like open, wide, open,
Speaker 1: and it's just but I think the drawbacks are privacy.
Speaker 1: Like you know, sometimes they're just walking around and someone
Speaker 1: thinking a selfie. Then now you're bombing someone else's photo.
Speaker 1: Then you think to your software as this photo going, yes,
Speaker 1: who's gonna see it? My face is going to be plasted.
Speaker 1: And now with AI, I'm sure celebrities are on edge
Speaker 1: because they have voices and what is yours? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're public in your public image, even us with
Speaker 1: our podcasts, will someone uses my voice for something else.
Speaker 1: It's a new frontier in terms of privacy and what's
Speaker 1: allowed and what's not allowed.
Speaker 2: I think Europe you guys are really.
Speaker 3: Good GDPR rules, and they even use GDPR. It's supposed
Speaker 3: to be some if you don't know gdprs like your
Speaker 3: data privacy laws in Europe specifically and at the other
Speaker 3: regions also use gdprs at reference pointuse.
Speaker 2: It's quite strict.
Speaker 3: For example, I remember when Threads was first launched by Meta.
Speaker 3: I saw people in zim talking about I'm on threads.
Speaker 3: Then I remember I was like, oh, let's see what
Speaker 3: this threads is about.
Speaker 4: And I couldn't download it in Europe because they blocked it.
Speaker 4: Probably there was some data security issues.
Speaker 3: Around that, and only like I think it was like
Speaker 3: months later then it was released, but even then I
Speaker 3: still haven't downloaded it because I was just like that
Speaker 3: put in my mind, like what are they taking away?
Speaker 3: So definitely that privacy and how I think the funny
Speaker 3: thing is I remember growing up and people are like,
Speaker 3: oh ads, like ads are in a face, but like
Speaker 3: now literally it's on our phone ads all the time.
Speaker 4: And obviously now businesses are getting smart and you pay.
Speaker 3: To not have ads, but you're not going to pay
Speaker 3: every single website or whatever to not have ads. But
Speaker 3: it's this constant overload of information. I think the mental
Speaker 3: the mental implications are really large when it comes to
Speaker 3: the Internet that we don't necessarily know, and probably it's
Speaker 3: gonna affect maybe our generation more because we had we
Speaker 3: lived without and then with.
Speaker 2: So you know what life could be like without it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because sometimes it's a go and climb a tree,
Speaker 1: like what we said last season or on our special
Speaker 1: tree walk back the tree, you know, touch some grass,
Speaker 1: because really people get so keyboard Warrior and you're like,
Speaker 1: would you say this in front of someone? So I
Speaker 1: think the Internet has allowed people to have a voice,
Speaker 1: but sometimes it's too much.
Speaker 3: And it's affecting our health, not just mentally too because
Speaker 3: like I was saying, with work, you work on a
Speaker 3: computer all day. You're not getting the movement you need,
Speaker 3: You're not getting the fresh air you need. You have
Speaker 3: to make a conscious decision constantly. And I'm sure you
Speaker 3: know you could speak from a parenting side. I'm sure
Speaker 3: when your room now is on playing video games or whatever,
Speaker 3: he could spend the whole day just doing that and
Speaker 3: not Actually, you remember when we're kids and it was
Speaker 3: TV before it was the internet, it was like you
Speaker 3: can only watch for so long.
Speaker 2: Now it's you also depend on the TV station.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could just slip on your and put the news,
Speaker 1: yes exactly, but like how our parents would be like
Speaker 1: go outside, you read a book.
Speaker 3: You literally have to make the conscious decision to do that,
Speaker 3: because they say that sitting is the new smoking for.
Speaker 1: Our definitely, and I mean like, look, even with the
Speaker 1: TV stations they would put the cartoons or whatever at
Speaker 1: appropriate times, or like at least for time blocks. But
Speaker 1: now if I said to Jerome, oh, it's eleven o'clock,
Speaker 1: there's no Thomas the Tank Engine, You'll be like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean this press place? You know, because even
Speaker 1: if it's not on the internet, you can download it.
Speaker 1: So it's just having that access twenty for seven exactly.
Speaker 1: People are losing sleep. People be like, oh, I went
Speaker 1: to bed early. Then doomschooled TikTok for three more hours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so then people are getting a little sleep. So it's
Speaker 1: like all of this is like you need to really
Speaker 1: like control. It's almost like in some ways we have
Speaker 1: to go back to old school alarm clocks. Yep, we're
Speaker 1: talking about like, yeah, just to try now regain what
Speaker 1: used to be so nor normalcy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think I will also say times I
Speaker 3: find myself like just reaching for the phone any moment.
Speaker 2: You have like a pocket.
Speaker 3: Let's say you're you sat down to dinner or to
Speaker 3: watch a movie with a spouse or someone, and then
Speaker 3: let's say they just need to quickly do something as
Speaker 3: soon as they leave, you find you like reach for
Speaker 3: the phone, and it's like filling that border exactly. And
Speaker 3: I've read this article which talked about I think it
Speaker 3: was in the New York Times children need to get
Speaker 3: bored because it fosters creativity. And basically the author was
Speaker 3: saying that when she was a kid, if she went
Speaker 3: to a mom and was like, Mom, I'm bored, mom would.
Speaker 4: Be like soap, and like do you go to your
Speaker 4: room whatever?
Speaker 3: And then you start coming up with stories and ideas
Speaker 3: and that really helps creativity. But now we just fill
Speaker 3: it with like, okay, here you go pick up your
Speaker 3: phone and do this, that and the other. And you
Speaker 3: hear a lot of creators now say you spend more
Speaker 3: time creating than you do consuming content.
Speaker 4: But it's like you need to foster that and exercise
Speaker 4: that muscle more.
Speaker 3: Otherwise you just constantly thinking there's something better out there.
Speaker 3: You can't get your brain working.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I must have it.
Speaker 1: Even with Jerome, I'm like, oh my gosh, he should
Speaker 1: be fine being bored because you start to think, even
Speaker 1: if it's not even just consumerism us now on a
Speaker 1: whole other because of the Internet too, Amazon, you're like,
Speaker 1: oh I need that toy, BAM or even the same days,
Speaker 1: so it's like then you start to spend more, have.
Speaker 2: More, like everything is more, more and more and more more.
Speaker 1: So now to almost go to that under consumption lifestyle,
Speaker 1: it's a very conscious decision that everyone needs to make,
Speaker 1: I think at some point, because it has become too much,
Speaker 1: it's too much scared, it's.
Speaker 2: Much of a good thing, the bad thing is a
Speaker 2: bad thing.
Speaker 3: Knowing what you'd know now, though, would you go back
Speaker 3: to not having the internet at all?
Speaker 2: No, Look, our friendship itself is heavily dependent on this.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine waiting for a letter from you, a
Speaker 1: letter I want to.
Speaker 2: Love letter from you.
Speaker 1: Imagine, Like you know, I can't imagine we had it
Speaker 1: in high school. I think we would probably be one
Speaker 1: of the very few last years us letters as a
Speaker 1: form of communication. There's some friends that have still now
Speaker 1: who went to different high schools, and we would write
Speaker 1: each other letters. I mean towards the end of you know,
Speaker 1: the six years we were there. Towards the end we
Speaker 1: were now using our phones and texting. But even the
Speaker 1: text they would always be like shorthand because you want
Speaker 1: to sit all in the way limit yeah, per per
Speaker 1: massage limit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But like I can't imagine now not having access to you,
Speaker 1: for example, as much as we're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: long distance sucks, I also know your.
Speaker 2: Call a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, essentially, So even though even if I have to
Speaker 1: wait for time difference, at some point, you're gonna wake up,
Speaker 1: at some point you're gonna look at your phone, and
Speaker 1: some times you are on the same we're not on
Speaker 1: the same time, but we're on this both away. Yes,
Speaker 1: so I can't imagine not having that.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I think it's only just what do we do with
Speaker 1: our downtimes. Like I love it when I seeople outfit
Speaker 1: dinner and they put their phones on a.
Speaker 2: Ball or something.
Speaker 1: So I think it's at some points I love to
Speaker 1: see people making conscious decisions not to use it. Yes,
Speaker 1: so I think that's more where our educationalized. How do
Speaker 1: we use this big powerful thing we've had, and we
Speaker 1: let everything happen. But now I think people are going
Speaker 1: back to Okay, I need to put boundary.
Speaker 2: They say the.
Speaker 3: World is going to move towards more human connection. Experiences
Speaker 3: are going to become more and more valuable because we
Speaker 3: are so dependent and reliant on our phones and the internet.
Speaker 3: What do you think for you, I definitely don't think
Speaker 3: I could go back, because I think it's democratized a lot,
Speaker 3: even our thinking travel like travel agents, remember how you
Speaker 3: need to rely on them on what the best deal was.
Speaker 3: Now you've got your sky scanners and all this, so
Speaker 3: many things that have given us a sense of independence. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll never forget my parents saying to me, you'll never
Speaker 3: get a job from the Internet. And I'm like, literally,
Speaker 3: my lif life work, my life's work is dependent on
Speaker 3: the Internet. So I think a lot of my career
Speaker 3: hinges on that, and a lot of independence hinges on that.
Speaker 3: But I think you'd almost want like a course that
Speaker 3: everyone has to go through, like pre internet laws, which
Speaker 3: obviously don't know until you know. And to what she said,
Speaker 3: I think that conscious decision to say I'm going to
Speaker 3: make sure mentally I'm okay detoxing, you know, giving yourself
Speaker 3: limits of how long reading. Like I've had to make
Speaker 3: conscious efforts before going to bed sometimes and I'm still
Speaker 3: not good at this to read instead of being on
Speaker 3: my phone because my sleep was now affected. So there's
Speaker 3: all these things that play a part. And also the
Speaker 3: anxiety of someone's gonna message me, someone's gonna call me,
Speaker 3: what am I gonna yeah.
Speaker 2: And I have to ask them right now.
Speaker 1: It also gives you that feeling, right, But it's so
Speaker 1: funny we talked about access before because I think access
Speaker 1: is also on the other side where it's going to
Speaker 1: become one more expensive all these streaming platforms, no ads,
Speaker 1: blahlah blah. So it's almost like we're gonna get controlled
Speaker 1: on the other end too, like you want this to
Speaker 1: pay for it, and not everyone will be able to afford.
Speaker 1: You know, Netflix now was like, you can't have five
Speaker 1: households with the same network.
Speaker 4: They're really making us popers. Netflix get your things.
Speaker 1: You don't have the same Netflix b So it's like,
Speaker 1: but I'm not getting everything that America.
Speaker 2: Get your location, all the stack. So it's almost like
Speaker 2: we're still really playful.
Speaker 1: You know what we talked about in the beginning of
Speaker 1: the episode, like how TV station some of them will
Speaker 1: get stuff late. Yes, we still kind of have that,
Speaker 1: but just in a different tier system.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's crazy we need to democratize more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I can't believe you're here. We're getting
Speaker 1: back into podcasts.
Speaker 3: Ay, So for those of you who didn't think we'd
Speaker 3: be back guess who's back, back, back, back again.
Speaker 4: No, this is exciting. Yeah, thank you, thank you for
Speaker 4: having me and not being like girls.
Speaker 2: Know, it's been such a pleasure to have you. You
Speaker 2: want you all the time.
Speaker 1: We are starting a petition for mb just to move
Speaker 1: to Australia.
Speaker 3: Look, I'm having fun looking after Jerome or spending time
Speaker 3: with baby Jerome.
Speaker 2: And obviously you've been enjoying the sunshine.
Speaker 3: I'm that weird and smiling and walking around like such as.
Speaker 2: Much for the next episode, guys, cheers.
Speaker 3: Bye.
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