WEBVTT - S06E01 - Delve deeper into...Life Before The Internet

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<v Speaker 1>Computer classes were like for the dumb kids, like people

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<v Speaker 1>will be like what and like people shall try to

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<v Speaker 1>teach us like maybe it's beacon like typing skills and

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<v Speaker 1>we're like, we're not here for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Does anyone else remember?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's speaking, Oh my God to play and you

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<v Speaker 3>hear a lot of creators now say you spend more

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<v Speaker 3>time creating than you do consumeing.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine now not having access to you, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always always be careful.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot those.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, I'm Amanda and I'm Rumby.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to its layered podcasts.

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<v Speaker 4>We're under the Black Class Network, Power by iHeart, and

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<v Speaker 4>today we are recording in studio.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're watching me roomby, Oh my God, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>good to have you here.

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<v Speaker 2>In my It's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like we say that every time, like we

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<v Speaker 3>if you haven't already listened to our special, we did

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<v Speaker 3>definitely say that, but I won't lie. It definitely feels

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<v Speaker 3>good to be in person, Yeah, in studio, getting this

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<v Speaker 3>thing going finally after all the weeks of planning.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, and obviously you were here because we had

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<v Speaker 1>our first ever live podcast show for Beyond the Valley

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<v Speaker 1>Music festival.

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<v Speaker 2>What a ride.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a different ballgame recording live in front of an audience. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that definitely was a learning curve for us, but we

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<v Speaker 3>had fun.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was so surreal. Yeah, it was incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this is more a vibe you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>in studio with an edit pause button, whereas.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're live, you're like here we go. So that was.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so surprised. There's so many podcasts out of the UK.

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<v Speaker 1>If we're doing live podcasting. It's definitely another talent.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely, but it's also a thrill, I think, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>so glad I've got to do it with you, Amanda

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<v Speaker 3>for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are we today?

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<v Speaker 1>So today we're Bittersweet Studio, which was so happy about, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, black female owned studio, yep, and I'm recording

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<v Speaker 1>with my fellow black female podcaster. This is such a

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<v Speaker 1>special moment as that you can see we've got a

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<v Speaker 1>little set up going room.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Vibe of the vibes are vibing, by the way, So

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<v Speaker 3>the whole reason why we have this beautiful setup, which

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<v Speaker 3>was done by the Pink Lady Picnics, you should check

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<v Speaker 3>them out.

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<v Speaker 2>They're incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>Is because we thought for season six, we're gonna write

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<v Speaker 3>a love letter to women, women of color and just

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<v Speaker 3>celebrate ourselves because I think so often we're striving and

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of strife in this life. Hey, that's

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<v Speaker 3>a bar right there. So we just thought let's get

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<v Speaker 3>into our soft girl era. Okay, and if you're watching,

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<v Speaker 3>you can see we're a little soft girly yes today

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<v Speaker 3>or the girlipops as you can tell.

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<v Speaker 2>I just learned that word. Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely, it's our sort of gift to you and

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<v Speaker 3>to say like you're doing great, sweetie, like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>shout out to you, you're working hard, doing the things,

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<v Speaker 3>but also take time to celebrate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was especially as black women were always

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<v Speaker 1>in survival.

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<v Speaker 2>Mode, true, all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes it's nice to just enjoy the vista, take

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<v Speaker 1>a step back and actually really reflect on all the

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<v Speaker 1>things that we do. So definitely leaning into a soft

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<v Speaker 1>girl era for this season.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And so as we kick off season six, which is

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<v Speaker 3>wild for me to even like, I can't even remember

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<v Speaker 3>what do we talk about in season five?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're right, I don't see them five, they're our specials.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, yeah, it feels like aon's ago.

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<v Speaker 3>But today we thought we would kick start with life

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<v Speaker 3>Before and After the Internet showing age today.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, some people like remember was before? Yeah, they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean no Internet?

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean before we get truly into that between

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<v Speaker 3>season five and the special.

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<v Speaker 4>Is there anything else that happened aside from BTV for us?

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<v Speaker 2>For you?

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely we joined the black Cast Network, which is amazing

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<v Speaker 1>powered by iHeart and it's a hub of diverse voices,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously predominantly First Nations in Australia, but also people of

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<v Speaker 1>color like us, and I think it was quite important

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<v Speaker 1>to us to join like minded community and definitely we

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<v Speaker 1>feel like we're at home. Definitely check out black Cast Network.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a lovely roster of other podcasts to check out.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's it's good to actually not only be about

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<v Speaker 1>it but also be a part of it, I think

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<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know you were featured on an episode with

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<v Speaker 3>Mundanara Podcasts and yeah, I think it's just great to

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<v Speaker 3>have a family that we belong to. Definitely, anything exciting

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<v Speaker 3>happened in your personal life?

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh, personal life twenty twenty four Mad Blur. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>just feels like we were just grinding and working and working,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean not only to do BTV and to do

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<v Speaker 1>this season, but also just on ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I can only say for myself, I really was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now it's I was kind of in a slumber after

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<v Speaker 1>you know, motherhood, new motherhood. But now I'm more and

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<v Speaker 1>more confident in my role and my life now. So

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like twenty twenty four was kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>rising from the dead, rising from the ashes. Yeah, from

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<v Speaker 1>the definitely from thees. So I'm quite excited for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five. I feel like it's starting on a good foundation.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm happy for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what about you?

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty two Andy, four was thug life. I only even

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<v Speaker 3>gonna hold you like thug life. I'm so glad we're

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<v Speaker 3>done with that, and I hope five comes right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot, a lot of work, a lot of sweat,

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<v Speaker 3>blood tears, some great memories made. If you haven't listened

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<v Speaker 3>to our Affronation episode, you we went to Affronation and Coordination,

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<v Speaker 3>which was incredible. Yeah, honestly, I can say I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Like worked hard.

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<v Speaker 4>Hopefully the fruits of our labor will come to fruition.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can feel them this season. Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you think all of the stuff we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about? Yeah, do you remember a time before the internet?

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<v Speaker 2>I distinctly remember.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember at school when we got computers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, so like life.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's when I can switch on that light

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<v Speaker 3>where it was we got computers.

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<v Speaker 2>At that time.

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<v Speaker 3>We lived in Ghana and our school had like computers

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<v Speaker 3>in each classroom and then there was a library with

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<v Speaker 3>computers and then we had to start taking computer Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like I don't know, how do you floppy disk? Do

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<v Speaker 3>people even know what a floppy disk is?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think we know that symbol, but they don't

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<v Speaker 2>actually know what the symbol of save.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah it was a floppy disk and yeah that's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of where my first kind of moment of knowing.

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<v Speaker 1>And isn't it funny because I'm sure And definitely in

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<v Speaker 1>the Zimbabwean context, computer classes were like for the dumb kids,

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<v Speaker 1>Like people would be like, what now she's doing computers?

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<v Speaker 1>But it was like such a like people be like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I want to do math. Why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you do like English lips instead? Of like, but then

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<v Speaker 1>now it's like, how funny is that? Ironic?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was just such or it was such a

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<v Speaker 1>class you would take if you want to just take

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<v Speaker 1>the piss. Yeah, you'd like maybe like go on paint

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<v Speaker 1>and do a few squares color the women, and you're like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>look what I did on a computer.

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<v Speaker 2>And then now it's like how far have we come? True? True?

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<v Speaker 1>I remember even even once we were in high school,

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<v Speaker 1>we had that computer lab that was built on the

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<v Speaker 1>new library, and people would go there to like truly yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and like people shall try to teach us like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it'speacon like typing skills, and we're like, we're not here

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<v Speaker 1>for that.

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<v Speaker 4>There's anyone else remember maybe it's speaking, Oh my.

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<v Speaker 1>God, yeah, to play in this. I want to do

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<v Speaker 1>my other homework. You know, we did not take it

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<v Speaker 1>seriously but actually made us.

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<v Speaker 4>Speaking helped because have you seen aunties typing?

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<v Speaker 1>I will tell you that that typing Yeah literally just yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it definitely has helped.

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<v Speaker 3>But what was life like compared to now pre Internet?

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<v Speaker 3>Like maybe let's sat the little gin alpha.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this is for jer Roman and his friends. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like.

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<v Speaker 1>Life is simpler, but we didn't know, and privacy was

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<v Speaker 1>granted automatically. True, you didn't have to work so hard

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<v Speaker 1>to have it. Yes, you know, your your details and

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<v Speaker 1>an email. I actually remember an email start. My dad

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<v Speaker 1>had his email, and like we would all get like

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<v Speaker 1>people be like, oh, what's your email? Oh I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have one, but my dad has one, and like literally

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<v Speaker 1>he would they like print.

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<v Speaker 2>If someone emailed you, you would like print.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we went on French tour in form four,

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<v Speaker 1>so we were like sixteen seventeen, went to France and

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<v Speaker 1>then obviously meet I guess obviously in Europe it was

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<v Speaker 1>a bit more advanced, so we were like, oh, what's

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<v Speaker 1>your email and you're like, that's okay, just email my

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<v Speaker 1>dad and like, because I think we thought of it

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<v Speaker 1>like posting a letter, like oh.

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<v Speaker 2>You can a box four you yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I remember like handing out my email to like

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<v Speaker 1>my dad's email to like all these people, and then

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, when he got back to Zim, people

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<v Speaker 1>would like email me and and then would like print

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<v Speaker 1>it out, and I'm like, oh, okay. Then I come

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<v Speaker 1>to his office and reply via his email. Oh my

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<v Speaker 1>obviously this man could see everything you were reading. But

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't even thinking that way. To me, it was

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<v Speaker 1>just like, oh my gosh, it's a cool way to communicate.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you go for I went for holidays so

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<v Speaker 1>UK until this day, my very first email has dot UK.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where I sit up my first you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>cousins were onto it again. Europe was a bit more advanced,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was just so innocently walking into the internet,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and dial up. I remember that and like

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<v Speaker 1>the phone, get off the phone, I'm downloading.

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<v Speaker 2>Trash, trash trash.

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<v Speaker 4>Yo.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any core memories pre Internet?

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<v Speaker 3>I just remember we're outside, like you were playing outside.

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<v Speaker 3>That that's where the fun was. I was a bookworm,

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<v Speaker 3>so I was always reading books.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Life was very insular, yeah, like very like sheltered in

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<v Speaker 3>a really real way. And then a core memory of

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<v Speaker 3>us having our first computer at home. My parents set

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<v Speaker 3>up in our study and we used to play these

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<v Speaker 3>computer games like Taken was taken on there? No, I don't,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was PlayStation, but we played like this

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<v Speaker 3>car race game. I forget the names of these games

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<v Speaker 3>and whatever, and mine sleeper, Oh my gosh, solitis solitar,

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<v Speaker 3>and was like you just wow, wait, time just on

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<v Speaker 3>this thing diallop was real and take forever to connect

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<v Speaker 3>and your parents, don't forget to disconnect. Don't forget to

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<v Speaker 3>disconnect the internet because and I just remember being like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh gosh, yeah, yeah, those are my core I think.

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<v Speaker 1>From Yeah, definitely, it was just And even the Y

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<v Speaker 1>two K we talked about this second day were like,

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<v Speaker 1>do people even realize it was such a stress for people,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what's going to happen when you moved from ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine to two thousand?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>They even had songs like Mammagana party like it's nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>Hold the pity is here with me always singing a

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<v Speaker 3>level yeah everyone, and then waiting for tonight video all

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<v Speaker 3>the ball would drop yes, and then it went down

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<v Speaker 3>saying yeah, I didn't really know what the era was,

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<v Speaker 3>would hold. I think I can liken it to what

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<v Speaker 3>AI is now, like how everyone kind of knows this

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<v Speaker 3>AI is a buzzword, but there's a bit of anxiety

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<v Speaker 3>around what it.

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<v Speaker 2>Means for you man harnessing powers.

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<v Speaker 3>And we literally saw that shift happen, and so interesting

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<v Speaker 3>it happened at the shift from us going from primary

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<v Speaker 3>school to high school definitely, So it's like, literally, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and in high school just like solidified. So the time

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<v Speaker 3>you finished high school, we were now kind of fully

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<v Speaker 3>getd that's been social media as in facebooks, and then started.

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<v Speaker 2>That aspect of the internet right for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Before in high school was just like okay, can you

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<v Speaker 1>play solitaic?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you so?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you familiarize yourself with the computer?

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<v Speaker 1>And then after that was what's your identity on the internet?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, isn't that because I really am so grateful

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<v Speaker 1>that now we didn't have that in high school. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have an Instagram, I didn't have Facebook. Now for

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<v Speaker 1>kids it's so stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's a question for the girlies and guys.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what's the equivalent of pops girly pops

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<v Speaker 3>and every one.

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<v Speaker 4>Like high school age, how are they coping?

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<v Speaker 3>Like living with the internet being such an integral part

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<v Speaker 3>because when we were in high school, even our phones,

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<v Speaker 3>we weren't allowed phones on us until we were in

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<v Speaker 3>uh fifth form, fifthful, Yeah, a block if you get it,

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<v Speaker 3>I think a bloc you could get it for longer

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<v Speaker 3>hours when we were about sixteen, but literally and I

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<v Speaker 3>we used to play like what is that game snake

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<v Speaker 3>on our phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Or nott thty three exactly dropped the ball because they.

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<v Speaker 4>Were funds again and they were under money, and like, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>So funny because now in Australia they're trying to revamp

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<v Speaker 1>that like sixteen year olds plus her phone access of

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<v Speaker 1>social or on social media. Like so it's almost like

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways our teachers at the time were ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of the curve in terms of them controlling and limitting

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<v Speaker 1>and you cannot focus on school if you have the

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<v Speaker 1>world in your pocket. Like it's just it doesn't it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work. And they're like, now how they navigate?

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<v Speaker 3>Then the bully thing too, Like it's just insane. And

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if they have classes on.

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<v Speaker 4>The internet.

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<v Speaker 3>I know my sister's a teacher and they do have

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<v Speaker 3>like kind of safety classes, but we didn't have none

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<v Speaker 3>of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, which actually brings us to think, what are

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<v Speaker 1>the benefits or the drawbacks of having the world in

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<v Speaker 1>your pocket?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think listen?

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<v Speaker 4>Firstly, we wouldn't even be podcasting if there was no internet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Number one, Accessibility is probably the biggest thing. Media houses

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<v Speaker 3>had the power. You know, if you loved a c eleb,

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<v Speaker 3>you waited until someone published something on them. Announcements were

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<v Speaker 3>made through media, and then if you lived in countries

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<v Speaker 3>like Zimbabwe, where you were so far removed, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Barely had actions.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember we would like share magazine and someone would

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<v Speaker 1>come with the magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll be like oh, and that's when you would get.

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<v Speaker 1>The latest news exactly, new magazine call exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it's like you see your favorite eleb somehow and

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<v Speaker 3>you're lucky and you can get a selfie and you

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<v Speaker 3>share that like oh, and people get where they are.

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<v Speaker 3>So access and then obviously has more access happens.

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<v Speaker 4>The cost of these.

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<v Speaker 3>Things Internet, Wi Fi phones goes down, and that's why

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<v Speaker 3>more people can podcast now it's not just media houses

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<v Speaker 3>with radio shows. Yeah, so it all kind of ripple

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<v Speaker 3>effects my work. I don't think I would have like

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<v Speaker 3>my work is dependent on the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>Research.

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<v Speaker 4>Like we used to go to the library and read

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<v Speaker 4>and that.

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<v Speaker 2>Our librarian crazy if you get what his name was.

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<v Speaker 1>Now in high school we were like yeah, people like

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<v Speaker 1>souls and you're like, dude, I'm just trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>my rear.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, look, the benefit is having access to information,

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<v Speaker 1>true and equal access, like everyone can as long as

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<v Speaker 1>you have internet, everyone can reach that website. There is

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<v Speaker 1>no because as you said, we had to depend on libraries,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you'd have to depend on the stock of

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<v Speaker 1>sin like but now everyone can look it up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, the same Netflix, for example.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you just saw.

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<v Speaker 1>Beyonce a ball, yes, and like everyone could see that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it wasn't like an American thing, which typically

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<v Speaker 1>never used to happen growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>True, you would always wait time.

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<v Speaker 1>But I used to love my favorite soap opera and

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<v Speaker 1>like you would see South Africa would have it and

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<v Speaker 1>then they would like write a synoposis, Oh the person's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna die.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>You were like a year or two be hind behind

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<v Speaker 1>because again, networks didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't equal access.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like the Internet kind of smashed that in

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<v Speaker 1>it made that all those networks that kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>Gate kept a lot of stuff can't do it anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I'm sure Beyonce ball. We would have seen it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe in a couple of money like VMAs. Yes, like

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<v Speaker 3>if you didn't unless you had like MTV, but then

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes even that was delayed, it wouldn't air necessarily like

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<v Speaker 3>live you get the recorded.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, bruh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and obviously you don't know what you don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>so we didn't know that there was another option where

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<v Speaker 1>you can see at the same time as everyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>But now that we do, a door has been like open, wide, open,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just but I think the drawbacks are privacy.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, sometimes they're just walking around and someone

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<v Speaker 1>thinking a selfie. Then now you're bombing someone else's photo.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you think to your software as this photo going, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>who's gonna see it? My face is going to be plasted.

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<v Speaker 1>And now with AI, I'm sure celebrities are on edge

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<v Speaker 1>because they have voices and what is yours? Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're public in your public image, even us with

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<v Speaker 1>our podcasts, will someone uses my voice for something else.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a new frontier in terms of privacy and what's

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<v Speaker 1>allowed and what's not allowed.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Europe you guys are really.

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<v Speaker 3>Good GDPR rules, and they even use GDPR. It's supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be some if you don't know gdprs like your

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<v Speaker 3>data privacy laws in Europe specifically and at the other

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<v Speaker 3>regions also use gdprs at reference pointuse.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite strict.

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<v Speaker 3>For example, I remember when Threads was first launched by Meta.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw people in zim talking about I'm on threads.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I remember I was like, oh, let's see what

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<v Speaker 3>this threads is about.

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<v Speaker 4>And I couldn't download it in Europe because they blocked it.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably there was some data security issues.

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<v Speaker 3>Around that, and only like I think it was like

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<v Speaker 3>months later then it was released, but even then I

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<v Speaker 3>still haven't downloaded it because I was just like that

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<v Speaker 3>put in my mind, like what are they taking away?

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<v Speaker 3>So definitely that privacy and how I think the funny

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<v Speaker 3>thing is I remember growing up and people are like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh ads, like ads are in a face, but like

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<v Speaker 3>now literally it's on our phone ads all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>And obviously now businesses are getting smart and you pay.

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<v Speaker 3>To not have ads, but you're not going to pay

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<v Speaker 3>every single website or whatever to not have ads. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's this constant overload of information. I think the mental

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<v Speaker 3>the mental implications are really large when it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>the Internet that we don't necessarily know, and probably it's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna affect maybe our generation more because we had we

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<v Speaker 3>lived without and then with.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know what life could be like without it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, because sometimes it's a go and climb a tree,

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<v Speaker 1>like what we said last season or on our special

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<v Speaker 1>tree walk back the tree, you know, touch some grass,

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<v Speaker 1>because really people get so keyboard Warrior and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>would you say this in front of someone? So I

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<v Speaker 1>think the Internet has allowed people to have a voice,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes it's too much.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's affecting our health, not just mentally too because

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<v Speaker 3>like I was saying, with work, you work on a

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<v Speaker 3>computer all day. You're not getting the movement you need,

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<v Speaker 3>You're not getting the fresh air you need. You have

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<v Speaker 3>to make a conscious decision constantly. And I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 3>know you could speak from a parenting side. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>when your room now is on playing video games or whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>he could spend the whole day just doing that and

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<v Speaker 3>not Actually, you remember when we're kids and it was

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<v Speaker 3>TV before it was the internet, it was like you

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<v Speaker 3>can only watch for so long.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's you also depend on the TV station.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you could just slip on your and put the news,

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<v Speaker 1>yes exactly, but like how our parents would be like

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<v Speaker 1>go outside, you read a book.

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<v Speaker 3>You literally have to make the conscious decision to do that,

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<v Speaker 3>because they say that sitting is the new smoking for.

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<v Speaker 1>Our definitely, and I mean like, look, even with the

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<v Speaker 1>TV stations they would put the cartoons or whatever at

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<v Speaker 1>appropriate times, or like at least for time blocks. But

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<v Speaker 1>now if I said to Jerome, oh, it's eleven o'clock,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no Thomas the Tank Engine, You'll be like, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you mean this press place? You know, because even

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<v Speaker 1>if it's not on the internet, you can download it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just having that access twenty for seven exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>People are losing sleep. People be like, oh, I went

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<v Speaker 1>to bed early. Then doomschooled TikTok for three more hours. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so then people are getting a little sleep. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like all of this is like you need to really

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<v Speaker 1>like control. It's almost like in some ways we have

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to old school alarm clocks. Yep, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about like, yeah, just to try now regain what

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<v Speaker 1>used to be so nor normalcy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think I will also say times I

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<v Speaker 3>find myself like just reaching for the phone any moment.

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<v Speaker 2>You have like a pocket.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say you're you sat down to dinner or to

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<v Speaker 3>watch a movie with a spouse or someone, and then

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<v Speaker 3>let's say they just need to quickly do something as

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<v Speaker 3>soon as they leave, you find you like reach for

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<v Speaker 3>the phone, and it's like filling that border exactly. And

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<v Speaker 3>I've read this article which talked about I think it

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<v Speaker 3>was in the New York Times children need to get

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<v Speaker 3>bored because it fosters creativity. And basically the author was

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<v Speaker 3>saying that when she was a kid, if she went

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<v Speaker 3>to a mom and was like, Mom, I'm bored, mom would.

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<v Speaker 4>Be like soap, and like do you go to your

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<v Speaker 4>room whatever?

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<v Speaker 3>And then you start coming up with stories and ideas

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<v Speaker 3>and that really helps creativity. But now we just fill

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<v Speaker 3>it with like, okay, here you go pick up your

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<v Speaker 3>phone and do this, that and the other. And you

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<v Speaker 3>hear a lot of creators now say you spend more

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<v Speaker 3>time creating than you do consuming content.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's like you need to foster that and exercise

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<v Speaker 4>that muscle more.

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<v Speaker 3>Otherwise you just constantly thinking there's something better out there.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't get your brain working.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I must have it.

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<v Speaker 1>Even with Jerome, I'm like, oh my gosh, he should

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<v Speaker 1>be fine being bored because you start to think, even

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<v Speaker 1>if it's not even just consumerism us now on a

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<v Speaker 1>whole other because of the Internet too, Amazon, you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh I need that toy, BAM or even the same days,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's like then you start to spend more, have.

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<v Speaker 2>More, like everything is more, more and more and more more.

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<v Speaker 1>So now to almost go to that under consumption lifestyle,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very conscious decision that everyone needs to make,

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<v Speaker 1>I think at some point, because it has become too much,

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<v Speaker 1>it's too much scared, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Much of a good thing, the bad thing is a

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<v Speaker 2>bad thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Knowing what you'd know now, though, would you go back

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<v Speaker 3>to not having the internet at all?

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<v Speaker 2>No, Look, our friendship itself is heavily dependent on this.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine waiting for a letter from you, a

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<v Speaker 1>letter I want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Love letter from you.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine, Like you know, I can't imagine we had it

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<v Speaker 1>in high school. I think we would probably be one

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<v Speaker 1>of the very few last years us letters as a

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<v Speaker 1>form of communication. There's some friends that have still now

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<v Speaker 1>who went to different high schools, and we would write

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<v Speaker 1>each other letters. I mean towards the end of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the six years we were there. Towards the end we

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<v Speaker 1>were now using our phones and texting. But even the

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<v Speaker 1>text they would always be like shorthand because you want

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<v Speaker 1>to sit all in the way limit yeah, per per

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<v Speaker 1>massage limit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But like I can't imagine now not having access to you,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, as much as we're like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>long distance sucks, I also know your.

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<v Speaker 2>Call a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, essentially, So even though even if I have to

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<v Speaker 1>wait for time difference, at some point, you're gonna wake up,

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<v Speaker 1>at some point you're gonna look at your phone, and

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<v Speaker 1>some times you are on the same we're not on

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, but we're on this both away. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so I can't imagine not having that.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's only just what do we do with

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<v Speaker 1>our downtimes. Like I love it when I seeople outfit

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<v Speaker 1>dinner and they put their phones on a.

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<v Speaker 2>Ball or something.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's at some points I love to

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<v Speaker 1>see people making conscious decisions not to use it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think that's more where our educationalized. How do

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<v Speaker 1>we use this big powerful thing we've had, and we

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<v Speaker 1>let everything happen. But now I think people are going

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<v Speaker 1>back to Okay, I need to put boundary.

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<v Speaker 2>They say the.

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<v Speaker 3>World is going to move towards more human connection. Experiences

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<v Speaker 3>are going to become more and more valuable because we

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<v Speaker 3>are so dependent and reliant on our phones and the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think for you, I definitely don't think

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<v Speaker 3>I could go back, because I think it's democratized a lot,

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<v Speaker 3>even our thinking travel like travel agents, remember how you

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<v Speaker 3>need to rely on them on what the best deal was.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you've got your sky scanners and all this, so

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<v Speaker 3>many things that have given us a sense of independence. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll never forget my parents saying to me, you'll never

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<v Speaker 3>get a job from the Internet. And I'm like, literally,

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<v Speaker 3>my lif life work, my life's work is dependent on

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<v Speaker 3>the Internet. So I think a lot of my career

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<v Speaker 3>hinges on that, and a lot of independence hinges on that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think you'd almost want like a course that

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<v Speaker 3>everyone has to go through, like pre internet laws, which

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<v Speaker 3>obviously don't know until you know. And to what she said,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that conscious decision to say I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>make sure mentally I'm okay detoxing, you know, giving yourself

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<v Speaker 3>limits of how long reading. Like I've had to make

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<v Speaker 3>conscious efforts before going to bed sometimes and I'm still

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<v Speaker 3>not good at this to read instead of being on

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<v Speaker 3>my phone because my sleep was now affected. So there's

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<v Speaker 3>all these things that play a part. And also the

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<v Speaker 3>anxiety of someone's gonna message me, someone's gonna call me,

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<v Speaker 3>what am I gonna yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have to ask them right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It also gives you that feeling, right, But it's so

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<v Speaker 1>funny we talked about access before because I think access

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<v Speaker 1>is also on the other side where it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>become one more expensive all these streaming platforms, no ads,

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<v Speaker 1>blahlah blah. So it's almost like we're gonna get controlled

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<v Speaker 1>on the other end too, like you want this to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for it, and not everyone will be able to afford.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Netflix now was like, you can't have five

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<v Speaker 1>households with the same network.

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<v Speaker 4>They're really making us popers. Netflix get your things.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have the same Netflix b So it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not getting everything that America.

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<v Speaker 2>Get your location, all the stack. So it's almost like

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<v Speaker 2>we're still really playful.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what we talked about in the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the episode, like how TV station some of them will

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<v Speaker 1>get stuff late. Yes, we still kind of have that,

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<v Speaker 1>but just in a different tier system.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's crazy we need to democratize more.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I can't believe you're here. We're getting

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<v Speaker 1>back into podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>Ay, So for those of you who didn't think we'd

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<v Speaker 3>be back guess who's back, back, back, back again.

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<v Speaker 4>No, this is exciting. Yeah, thank you, thank you for

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<v Speaker 4>having me and not being like girls.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, it's been such a pleasure to have you. You

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<v Speaker 2>want you all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>We are starting a petition for mb just to move

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<v Speaker 1>to Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I'm having fun looking after Jerome or spending time

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<v Speaker 3>with baby Jerome.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously you've been enjoying the sunshine.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm that weird and smiling and walking around like such as.

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<v Speaker 2>Much for the next episode, guys, cheers.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye.

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