1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Computer classes were like for the dumb kids, like people 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: will be like what and like people shall try to 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: teach us like maybe it's beacon like typing skills and 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: we're like, we're not here for that. 5 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 2: Does anyone else remember? 6 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 3: Maybe it's speaking, Oh my God to play and you 7 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 3: hear a lot of creators now say you spend more 8 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 3: time creating than you do consumeing. 9 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: I can't imagine now not having access to you, for example, 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: I'm always always be careful. 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: Lot those. 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 4: Hi, I'm Amanda and I'm Rumby. 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: Welcome to its layered podcasts. 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 4: We're under the Black Class Network, Power by iHeart, and 15 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 4: today we are recording in studio. 16 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: If you're watching me roomby, Oh my God, it's so 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: good to have you here. 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: In my It's unbelievable. 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 4: I know. 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: I feel like we say that every time, like we 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 3: if you haven't already listened to our special, we did 22 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: definitely say that, but I won't lie. It definitely feels 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 3: good to be in person, Yeah, in studio, getting this 24 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: thing going finally after all the weeks of planning. 25 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: For sure, and obviously you were here because we had 26 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: our first ever live podcast show for Beyond the Valley 27 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: Music festival. 28 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 2: What a ride. 29 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: It's a different ballgame recording live in front of an audience. Yeah, 31 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: that definitely was a learning curve for us, but we 32 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 3: had fun. 33 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 4: And it was so surreal. Yeah, it was incredible. 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is more a vibe you know, like 35 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: in studio with an edit pause button, whereas. 36 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: When you're live, you're like here we go. So that was. 37 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm so surprised. There's so many podcasts out of the UK. 38 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: If we're doing live podcasting. It's definitely another talent. 39 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: Definitely, but it's also a thrill, I think, and I'm 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: so glad I've got to do it with you, Amanda 41 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: for the first time. 42 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: Where are we today? 43 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: So today we're Bittersweet Studio, which was so happy about, like, 44 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: you know, black female owned studio, yep, and I'm recording 45 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: with my fellow black female podcaster. This is such a 46 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: special moment as that you can see we've got a 47 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: little set up going room. 48 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: What do you think of the. 49 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 3: Vibe of the vibes are vibing, by the way, So 50 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: the whole reason why we have this beautiful setup, which 51 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 3: was done by the Pink Lady Picnics, you should check 52 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: them out. 53 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: They're incredible. 54 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 3: Is because we thought for season six, we're gonna write 55 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: a love letter to women, women of color and just 56 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: celebrate ourselves because I think so often we're striving and 57 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: there's a lot of strife in this life. Hey, that's 58 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: a bar right there. So we just thought let's get 59 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: into our soft girl era. Okay, and if you're watching, 60 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 3: you can see we're a little soft girly yes today 61 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: or the girlipops as you can tell. 62 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: I just learned that word. Oh my gosh. 63 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, it's our sort of gift to you and 64 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: to say like you're doing great, sweetie, like you know, 65 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 3: shout out to you, you're working hard, doing the things, 66 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 3: but also take time to celebrate. 67 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. 68 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: I think it was especially as black women were always 69 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: in survival. 70 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: Mode, true, all the time. 71 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: And sometimes it's nice to just enjoy the vista, take 72 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: a step back and actually really reflect on all the 73 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: things that we do. So definitely leaning into a soft 74 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: girl era for this season. 75 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: For sure, for sure. 76 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 3: And so as we kick off season six, which is 77 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 3: wild for me to even like, I can't even remember 78 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: what do we talk about in season five? 79 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, I don't see them five, they're our specials. 80 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it feels like aon's ago. 81 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: But today we thought we would kick start with life 82 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: Before and After the Internet showing age today. 83 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: Okay, some people like remember was before? Yeah, they're like, 84 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: what do you mean no Internet? 85 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: So I mean before we get truly into that between 86 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: season five and the special. 87 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 4: Is there anything else that happened aside from BTV for us? 88 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: For you? 89 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: Definitely we joined the black Cast Network, which is amazing 90 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 1: powered by iHeart and it's a hub of diverse voices, 91 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: obviously predominantly First Nations in Australia, but also people of 92 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: color like us, and I think it was quite important 93 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: to us to join like minded community and definitely we 94 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: feel like we're at home. Definitely check out black Cast Network. 95 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: They have a lovely roster of other podcasts to check out. 96 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: And it's it's good to actually not only be about 97 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: it but also be a part of it, I think 98 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: for sure. 99 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: And you know you were featured on an episode with 100 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: Mundanara Podcasts and yeah, I think it's just great to 101 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: have a family that we belong to. Definitely, anything exciting 102 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: happened in your personal life? 103 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: Ooh, personal life twenty twenty four Mad Blur. Yeah, it 104 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: just feels like we were just grinding and working and working, 105 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: I mean not only to do BTV and to do 106 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: this season, but also just on ourselves. 107 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 108 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: I can only say for myself, I really was like, okay, 109 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: now it's I was kind of in a slumber after 110 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: you know, motherhood, new motherhood. But now I'm more and 111 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: more confident in my role and my life now. So 112 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: I feel like twenty twenty four was kind of like 113 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: rising from the dead, rising from the ashes. Yeah, from 114 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: the definitely from thees. So I'm quite excited for twenty 115 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: twenty five. I feel like it's starting on a good foundation. 116 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: That's great. 117 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 4: I'm happy for you. 118 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, what about you? 119 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 3: Twenty two Andy, four was thug life. I only even 120 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 3: gonna hold you like thug life. I'm so glad we're 121 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 3: done with that, and I hope five comes right. Yeah, 122 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 3: a lot, a lot of work, a lot of sweat, 123 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: blood tears, some great memories made. If you haven't listened 124 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: to our Affronation episode, you we went to Affronation and Coordination, 125 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: which was incredible. Yeah, honestly, I can say I feel. 126 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: Like worked hard. 127 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 4: Hopefully the fruits of our labor will come to fruition. 128 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: And you can feel them this season. Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. 129 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: So what do you think all of the stuff we've 130 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: talked about? Yeah, do you remember a time before the internet? 131 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: I distinctly remember. 132 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: I remember at school when we got computers. 133 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 2: Oh yes, so like life. 134 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: I think that's when I can switch on that light 135 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: where it was we got computers. 136 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 2: At that time. 137 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 3: We lived in Ghana and our school had like computers 138 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: in each classroom and then there was a library with 139 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: computers and then we had to start taking computer Yeah, 140 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 3: like I don't know, how do you floppy disk? Do 141 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: people even know what a floppy disk is? 142 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think we know that symbol, but they don't 143 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: actually know what the symbol of save. 144 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah it was a floppy disk and yeah that's 145 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: kind of where my first kind of moment of knowing. 146 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: And isn't it funny because I'm sure And definitely in 147 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: the Zimbabwean context, computer classes were like for the dumb kids, 148 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: Like people would be like, what now she's doing computers? 149 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: But it was like such a like people be like, 150 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: oh my god, I want to do math. Why don't 151 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: you do like English lips instead? Of like, but then 152 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: now it's like, how funny is that? Ironic? 153 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: Is that? 154 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: Like it was just such or it was such a 155 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: class you would take if you want to just take 156 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: the piss. Yeah, you'd like maybe like go on paint 157 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: and do a few squares color the women, and you're like, Okay, 158 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: look what I did on a computer. 159 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: And then now it's like how far have we come? True? True? 160 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: I remember even even once we were in high school, 161 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: we had that computer lab that was built on the 162 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: new library, and people would go there to like truly yeah, yeah, 163 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: and like people shall try to teach us like maybe 164 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: it'speacon like typing skills, and we're like, we're not here 165 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: for that. 166 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 4: There's anyone else remember maybe it's speaking, Oh my. 167 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: God, yeah, to play in this. I want to do 168 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: my other homework. You know, we did not take it 169 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: seriously but actually made us. 170 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 4: Speaking helped because have you seen aunties typing? 171 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: I will tell you that that typing Yeah literally just yeah, 172 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: it definitely has helped. 173 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 3: But what was life like compared to now pre Internet? 174 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 3: Like maybe let's sat the little gin alpha. 175 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: No, this is for jer Roman and his friends. I 176 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: feel like. 177 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: Life is simpler, but we didn't know, and privacy was 178 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: granted automatically. True, you didn't have to work so hard 179 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: to have it. Yes, you know, your your details and 180 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: an email. I actually remember an email start. My dad 181 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: had his email, and like we would all get like 182 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: people be like, oh, what's your email? Oh I don't 183 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: have one, but my dad has one, and like literally 184 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: he would they like print. 185 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: If someone emailed you, you would like print. 186 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: I think we went on French tour in form four, 187 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: so we were like sixteen seventeen, went to France and 188 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: then obviously meet I guess obviously in Europe it was 189 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: a bit more advanced, so we were like, oh, what's 190 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: your email and you're like, that's okay, just email my 191 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: dad and like, because I think we thought of it 192 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: like posting a letter, like oh. 193 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: You can a box four you yeah, you know. 194 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: So I remember like handing out my email to like 195 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: my dad's email to like all these people, and then 196 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: like you know, when he got back to Zim, people 197 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: would like email me and and then would like print 198 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: it out, and I'm like, oh, okay. Then I come 199 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: to his office and reply via his email. Oh my 200 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: obviously this man could see everything you were reading. But 201 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: we weren't even thinking that way. To me, it was 202 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: just like, oh my gosh, it's a cool way to communicate. 203 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: And then you go for I went for holidays so 204 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 1: UK until this day, my very first email has dot UK. 205 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: That's where I sit up my first you know, my 206 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: cousins were onto it again. Europe was a bit more advanced, 207 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: but it was just so innocently walking into the internet, 208 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: you know, and dial up. I remember that and like 209 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: the phone, get off the phone, I'm downloading. 210 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 2: Trash, trash trash. 211 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 4: Yo. 212 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: Do you have any core memories pre Internet? 213 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: I just remember we're outside, like you were playing outside. 214 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,239 Speaker 3: That that's where the fun was. I was a bookworm, 215 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: so I was always reading books. 216 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 217 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 3: Life was very insular, yeah, like very like sheltered in 218 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: a really real way. And then a core memory of 219 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 3: us having our first computer at home. My parents set 220 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: up in our study and we used to play these 221 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: computer games like Taken was taken on there? No, I don't, 222 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 3: I think it was PlayStation, but we played like this 223 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 3: car race game. I forget the names of these games 224 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 3: and whatever, and mine sleeper, Oh my gosh, solitis solitar, 225 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 3: and was like you just wow, wait, time just on 226 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 3: this thing diallop was real and take forever to connect 227 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: and your parents, don't forget to disconnect. Don't forget to 228 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 3: disconnect the internet because and I just remember being like, 229 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: oh gosh, yeah, yeah, those are my core I think. 230 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: From Yeah, definitely, it was just And even the Y 231 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: two K we talked about this second day were like, 232 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: do people even realize it was such a stress for people, 233 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: Like what's going to happen when you moved from ninety 234 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: nine to two thousand? 235 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 236 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:40,119 Speaker 3: They even had songs like Mammagana party like it's nineteen 237 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 3: Hold the pity is here with me always singing a 238 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 3: level yeah everyone, and then waiting for tonight video all 239 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 3: the ball would drop yes, and then it went down 240 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 3: saying yeah, I didn't really know what the era was, 241 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 3: would hold. I think I can liken it to what 242 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: AI is now, like how everyone kind of knows this 243 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 3: AI is a buzzword, but there's a bit of anxiety 244 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 3: around what it. 245 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: Means for you man harnessing powers. 246 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: And we literally saw that shift happen, and so interesting 247 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 3: it happened at the shift from us going from primary 248 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 3: school to high school definitely, So it's like, literally, yeah, 249 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: and in high school just like solidified. So the time 250 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 3: you finished high school, we were now kind of fully 251 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 3: getd that's been social media as in facebooks, and then started. 252 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: That aspect of the internet right for sure. 253 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: Before in high school was just like okay, can you 254 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: play solitaic? 255 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: Can you so? 256 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 3: Like? 257 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: Can you familiarize yourself with the computer? 258 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: And then after that was what's your identity on the internet? 259 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: You know, isn't that because I really am so grateful 260 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: that now we didn't have that in high school. I 261 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: didn't have an Instagram, I didn't have Facebook. Now for 262 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: kids it's so stuff. 263 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 4: Here's a question for the girlies and guys. 264 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: I don't know what's the equivalent of pops girly pops 265 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: and every one. 266 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 4: Like high school age, how are they coping? 267 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 3: Like living with the internet being such an integral part 268 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 3: because when we were in high school, even our phones, 269 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: we weren't allowed phones on us until we were in 270 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 3: uh fifth form, fifthful, Yeah, a block if you get it, 271 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 3: I think a bloc you could get it for longer 272 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: hours when we were about sixteen, but literally and I 273 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 3: we used to play like what is that game snake 274 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 3: on our phone. 275 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: Or nott thty three exactly dropped the ball because they. 276 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 4: Were funds again and they were under money, and like, it's. 277 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: So funny because now in Australia they're trying to revamp 278 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: that like sixteen year olds plus her phone access of 279 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: social or on social media. Like so it's almost like 280 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: in some ways our teachers at the time were ahead 281 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: of the curve in terms of them controlling and limitting 282 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: and you cannot focus on school if you have the 283 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: world in your pocket. Like it's just it doesn't it 284 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: doesn't work. And they're like, now how they navigate? 285 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 3: Then the bully thing too, Like it's just insane. And 286 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: I wonder if they have classes on. 287 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 4: The internet. 288 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 3: I know my sister's a teacher and they do have 289 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 3: like kind of safety classes, but we didn't have none 290 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 3: of that. 291 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which actually brings us to think, what are 292 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: the benefits or the drawbacks of having the world in 293 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: your pocket? 294 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: Do you think listen? 295 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 4: Firstly, we wouldn't even be podcasting if there was no internet. 296 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: Yes. 297 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: Number one, Accessibility is probably the biggest thing. Media houses 298 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 3: had the power. You know, if you loved a c eleb, 299 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 3: you waited until someone published something on them. Announcements were 300 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: made through media, and then if you lived in countries 301 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 3: like Zimbabwe, where you were so far removed, you. 302 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: Barely had actions. 303 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 304 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: I remember we would like share magazine and someone would 305 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: come with the magazine. 306 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: You'll be like oh, and that's when you would get. 307 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: The latest news exactly, new magazine call exactly. 308 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: Now it's like you see your favorite eleb somehow and 309 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: you're lucky and you can get a selfie and you 310 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: share that like oh, and people get where they are. 311 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: So access and then obviously has more access happens. 312 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 4: The cost of these. 313 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 3: Things Internet, Wi Fi phones goes down, and that's why 314 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 3: more people can podcast now it's not just media houses 315 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: with radio shows. Yeah, so it all kind of ripple 316 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: effects my work. I don't think I would have like 317 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: my work is dependent on the internet. 318 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: Research. 319 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 4: Like we used to go to the library and read 320 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 4: and that. 321 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: Our librarian crazy if you get what his name was. 322 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: Now in high school we were like yeah, people like 323 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: souls and you're like, dude, I'm just trying to do 324 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: my rear. 325 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and for you. 326 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: I think, look, the benefit is having access to information, 327 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: true and equal access, like everyone can as long as 328 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: you have internet, everyone can reach that website. There is 329 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: no because as you said, we had to depend on libraries, 330 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: and then you'd have to depend on the stock of 331 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: sin like but now everyone can look it up, you know, 332 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: the same time, the same Netflix, for example. 333 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: I mean you just saw. 334 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: Beyonce a ball, yes, and like everyone could see that. 335 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't like an American thing, which typically 336 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: never used to happen growing up. 337 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: True, you would always wait time. 338 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: But I used to love my favorite soap opera and 339 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: like you would see South Africa would have it and 340 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: then they would like write a synoposis, Oh the person's 341 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: gonna die. 342 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's crazy. 343 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: You were like a year or two be hind behind 344 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: because again, networks didn't. 345 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: It wasn't equal access. 346 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: I felt like the Internet kind of smashed that in 347 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: it made that all those networks that kind of like 348 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: Gate kept a lot of stuff can't do it anymore. 349 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: Like I'm sure Beyonce ball. We would have seen it. Yeah, 350 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: maybe in a couple of money like VMAs. Yes, like 351 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: if you didn't unless you had like MTV, but then 352 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: sometimes even that was delayed, it wouldn't air necessarily like 353 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 3: live you get the recorded. 354 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, bruh. 355 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously you don't know what you don't know, 356 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: so we didn't know that there was another option where 357 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: you can see at the same time as everyone else. 358 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: But now that we do, a door has been like open, wide, open, 359 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: and it's just but I think the drawbacks are privacy. 360 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: Like you know, sometimes they're just walking around and someone 361 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: thinking a selfie. Then now you're bombing someone else's photo. 362 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: Then you think to your software as this photo going, yes, 363 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: who's gonna see it? My face is going to be plasted. 364 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: And now with AI, I'm sure celebrities are on edge 365 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: because they have voices and what is yours? Yeah, you know, 366 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: if you're public in your public image, even us with 367 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: our podcasts, will someone uses my voice for something else. 368 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: It's a new frontier in terms of privacy and what's 369 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: allowed and what's not allowed. 370 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: I think Europe you guys are really. 371 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 3: Good GDPR rules, and they even use GDPR. It's supposed 372 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: to be some if you don't know gdprs like your 373 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 3: data privacy laws in Europe specifically and at the other 374 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 3: regions also use gdprs at reference pointuse. 375 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: It's quite strict. 376 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 3: For example, I remember when Threads was first launched by Meta. 377 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 3: I saw people in zim talking about I'm on threads. 378 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: Then I remember I was like, oh, let's see what 379 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 3: this threads is about. 380 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 4: And I couldn't download it in Europe because they blocked it. 381 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 4: Probably there was some data security issues. 382 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 3: Around that, and only like I think it was like 383 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 3: months later then it was released, but even then I 384 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 3: still haven't downloaded it because I was just like that 385 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 3: put in my mind, like what are they taking away? 386 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: So definitely that privacy and how I think the funny 387 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 3: thing is I remember growing up and people are like, 388 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: oh ads, like ads are in a face, but like 389 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 3: now literally it's on our phone ads all the time. 390 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 4: And obviously now businesses are getting smart and you pay. 391 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 3: To not have ads, but you're not going to pay 392 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 3: every single website or whatever to not have ads. But 393 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 3: it's this constant overload of information. I think the mental 394 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 3: the mental implications are really large when it comes to 395 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: the Internet that we don't necessarily know, and probably it's 396 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 3: gonna affect maybe our generation more because we had we 397 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 3: lived without and then with. 398 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: So you know what life could be like without it? 399 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because sometimes it's a go and climb a tree, 400 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: like what we said last season or on our special 401 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: tree walk back the tree, you know, touch some grass, 402 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: because really people get so keyboard Warrior and you're like, 403 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: would you say this in front of someone? So I 404 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: think the Internet has allowed people to have a voice, 405 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: but sometimes it's too much. 406 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: And it's affecting our health, not just mentally too because 407 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 3: like I was saying, with work, you work on a 408 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 3: computer all day. You're not getting the movement you need, 409 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 3: You're not getting the fresh air you need. You have 410 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 3: to make a conscious decision constantly. And I'm sure you 411 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 3: know you could speak from a parenting side. I'm sure 412 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: when your room now is on playing video games or whatever, 413 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 3: he could spend the whole day just doing that and 414 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 3: not Actually, you remember when we're kids and it was 415 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 3: TV before it was the internet, it was like you 416 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 3: can only watch for so long. 417 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 2: Now it's you also depend on the TV station. 418 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could just slip on your and put the news, 419 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: yes exactly, but like how our parents would be like 420 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: go outside, you read a book. 421 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 3: You literally have to make the conscious decision to do that, 422 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 3: because they say that sitting is the new smoking for. 423 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: Our definitely, and I mean like, look, even with the 424 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: TV stations they would put the cartoons or whatever at 425 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: appropriate times, or like at least for time blocks. But 426 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: now if I said to Jerome, oh, it's eleven o'clock, 427 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: there's no Thomas the Tank Engine, You'll be like, what 428 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: do you mean this press place? You know, because even 429 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: if it's not on the internet, you can download it. 430 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: So it's just having that access twenty for seven exactly. 431 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: People are losing sleep. People be like, oh, I went 432 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: to bed early. Then doomschooled TikTok for three more hours. Yeah, 433 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: so then people are getting a little sleep. So it's 434 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: like all of this is like you need to really 435 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: like control. It's almost like in some ways we have 436 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: to go back to old school alarm clocks. Yep, we're 437 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: talking about like, yeah, just to try now regain what 438 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: used to be so nor normalcy. 439 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think I will also say times I 440 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 3: find myself like just reaching for the phone any moment. 441 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 2: You have like a pocket. 442 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 3: Let's say you're you sat down to dinner or to 443 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 3: watch a movie with a spouse or someone, and then 444 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 3: let's say they just need to quickly do something as 445 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 3: soon as they leave, you find you like reach for 446 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 3: the phone, and it's like filling that border exactly. And 447 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: I've read this article which talked about I think it 448 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 3: was in the New York Times children need to get 449 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: bored because it fosters creativity. And basically the author was 450 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 3: saying that when she was a kid, if she went 451 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 3: to a mom and was like, Mom, I'm bored, mom would. 452 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 4: Be like soap, and like do you go to your 453 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 4: room whatever? 454 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: And then you start coming up with stories and ideas 455 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 3: and that really helps creativity. But now we just fill 456 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 3: it with like, okay, here you go pick up your 457 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 3: phone and do this, that and the other. And you 458 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: hear a lot of creators now say you spend more 459 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: time creating than you do consuming content. 460 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 4: But it's like you need to foster that and exercise 461 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 4: that muscle more. 462 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: Otherwise you just constantly thinking there's something better out there. 463 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 3: You can't get your brain working. 464 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I must have it. 465 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: Even with Jerome, I'm like, oh my gosh, he should 466 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: be fine being bored because you start to think, even 467 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: if it's not even just consumerism us now on a 468 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: whole other because of the Internet too, Amazon, you're like, 469 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 1: oh I need that toy, BAM or even the same days, 470 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: so it's like then you start to spend more, have. 471 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: More, like everything is more, more and more and more more. 472 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: So now to almost go to that under consumption lifestyle, 473 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: it's a very conscious decision that everyone needs to make, 474 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: I think at some point, because it has become too much, 475 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: it's too much scared, it's. 476 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 2: Much of a good thing, the bad thing is a 477 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 2: bad thing. 478 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 3: Knowing what you'd know now, though, would you go back 479 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 3: to not having the internet at all? 480 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: No, Look, our friendship itself is heavily dependent on this. 481 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: I can't imagine waiting for a letter from you, a 482 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: letter I want to. 483 00:22:58,800 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 2: Love letter from you. 484 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: Imagine, Like you know, I can't imagine we had it 485 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: in high school. I think we would probably be one 486 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: of the very few last years us letters as a 487 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: form of communication. There's some friends that have still now 488 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: who went to different high schools, and we would write 489 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: each other letters. I mean towards the end of you know, 490 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: the six years we were there. Towards the end we 491 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: were now using our phones and texting. But even the 492 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: text they would always be like shorthand because you want 493 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: to sit all in the way limit yeah, per per 494 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: massage limit. 495 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 496 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: But like I can't imagine now not having access to you, 497 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: for example, as much as we're like, oh my god, 498 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: long distance sucks, I also know your. 499 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: Call a way. 500 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, essentially, So even though even if I have to 501 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: wait for time difference, at some point, you're gonna wake up, 502 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: at some point you're gonna look at your phone, and 503 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: some times you are on the same we're not on 504 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: the same time, but we're on this both away. Yes, 505 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: so I can't imagine not having that. 506 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 2: I agree. 507 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: I think it's only just what do we do with 508 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: our downtimes. Like I love it when I seeople outfit 509 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: dinner and they put their phones on a. 510 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: Ball or something. 511 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: So I think it's at some points I love to 512 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: see people making conscious decisions not to use it. Yes, 513 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: so I think that's more where our educationalized. How do 514 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: we use this big powerful thing we've had, and we 515 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: let everything happen. But now I think people are going 516 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: back to Okay, I need to put boundary. 517 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: They say the. 518 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 3: World is going to move towards more human connection. Experiences 519 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 3: are going to become more and more valuable because we 520 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 3: are so dependent and reliant on our phones and the internet. 521 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 3: What do you think for you, I definitely don't think 522 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 3: I could go back, because I think it's democratized a lot, 523 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 3: even our thinking travel like travel agents, remember how you 524 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 3: need to rely on them on what the best deal was. 525 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 3: Now you've got your sky scanners and all this, so 526 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 3: many things that have given us a sense of independence. Yeah, 527 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 3: I'll never forget my parents saying to me, you'll never 528 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 3: get a job from the Internet. And I'm like, literally, 529 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 3: my lif life work, my life's work is dependent on 530 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 3: the Internet. So I think a lot of my career 531 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 3: hinges on that, and a lot of independence hinges on that. 532 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 3: But I think you'd almost want like a course that 533 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: everyone has to go through, like pre internet laws, which 534 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 3: obviously don't know until you know. And to what she said, 535 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 3: I think that conscious decision to say I'm going to 536 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 3: make sure mentally I'm okay detoxing, you know, giving yourself 537 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: limits of how long reading. Like I've had to make 538 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 3: conscious efforts before going to bed sometimes and I'm still 539 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 3: not good at this to read instead of being on 540 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 3: my phone because my sleep was now affected. So there's 541 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 3: all these things that play a part. And also the 542 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 3: anxiety of someone's gonna message me, someone's gonna call me, 543 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: what am I gonna yeah. 544 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: And I have to ask them right now. 545 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: It also gives you that feeling, right, But it's so 546 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: funny we talked about access before because I think access 547 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: is also on the other side where it's going to 548 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: become one more expensive all these streaming platforms, no ads, 549 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: blahlah blah. So it's almost like we're gonna get controlled 550 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: on the other end too, like you want this to 551 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: pay for it, and not everyone will be able to afford. 552 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: You know, Netflix now was like, you can't have five 553 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: households with the same network. 554 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 4: They're really making us popers. Netflix get your things. 555 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: You don't have the same Netflix b So it's like, 556 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: but I'm not getting everything that America. 557 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: Get your location, all the stack. So it's almost like 558 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: we're still really playful. 559 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: You know what we talked about in the beginning of 560 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: the episode, like how TV station some of them will 561 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: get stuff late. Yes, we still kind of have that, 562 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: but just in a different tier system. 563 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's crazy we need to democratize more. 564 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. 565 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I can't believe you're here. We're getting 566 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: back into podcasts. 567 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: Ay, So for those of you who didn't think we'd 568 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 3: be back guess who's back, back, back, back again. 569 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 4: No, this is exciting. Yeah, thank you, thank you for 570 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 4: having me and not being like girls. 571 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 2: Know, it's been such a pleasure to have you. You 572 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: want you all the time. 573 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: We are starting a petition for mb just to move 574 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: to Australia. 575 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 3: Look, I'm having fun looking after Jerome or spending time 576 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 3: with baby Jerome. 577 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 2: And obviously you've been enjoying the sunshine. 578 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 3: I'm that weird and smiling and walking around like such as. 579 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: Much for the next episode, guys, cheers. 580 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 3: Bye. 581 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 2: Free audio post production by ourphonic dot Com.