1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome to the 3 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: Daily OS. It's Wednesday, the second of April. I'm Emma Gillespie. 4 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: I'm Zara Zeidler. 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: This week Australia became the second country in the world 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: to mandate health warnings on individual cigarette sticks. The change 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: is a part of several new tobacco control measures, which 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: we're going to take you through in more detail in 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: today's Deep Dive. 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: Now, m we have spoken many times and written many 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: times about vaping. As of late, it's the new thing 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 2: that we know is particularly pertinent when it comes to 13 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: young people. But as a result, I do feel like, 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: certainly in the media and perhaps at society at large, 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: we have stopped talking about cigarettes as much, perhaps as 16 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: we have as vabes. Can you just give us, I guess, 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: a lay of the land as to how popular smoking 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: still is, because I think there is a bit of 19 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 2: a misconception there. 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and I think we're kind of seeing that 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: reflected in current strategies from the government about cracking down 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: on the illicit tobacco market, the black market there with cigarettes. 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: But in terms of what we know definitively about the 24 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: smoking rate in Australia. It's more than halved since two 25 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: thousand and one, so a lot of progress has been made. 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: Government data shows us though that eight point three percent 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: of Australians over the age of fourteen smoked tobacco cigarettes daily. Now. 28 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety one that figure was twenty four percent. So, 29 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: as I said, a lot of progress has been made, 30 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: but that's still eight point three percent of Australians. 31 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: Now. 32 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: There has been a global decline in tobacco usage around 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: the world. This is not a unique trend in Australia, 34 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: but we are here in Australia actually exceeding global targets. 35 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: So the Weld Health Organization set this goal for countries 36 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: around the world to reduce their tobacco usage by thirty 37 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: percent between twenty twelve and twenty twenty five. Now, in 38 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: an update from the WHO last year, Australia was expected 39 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: to exceed that target and reach a thirty five percent 40 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: national decrease by this year. A caveat here, and I 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: guess before we go any further, is that these WHO 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: figures include traditional cigarettes and heated tobacco products, but not 43 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: vapes that contain nicotine only, and that eight point three 44 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: percent of Australians who smoke daily. That figure is referring 45 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: to people who are smoking cigarettes tobacco cigarettes. So we 46 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: do know that smoking rates have declined and that vaping 47 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: rates have surged, but the latest kind of data on 48 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: that precedes these strong anti vaping measures that we've seen 49 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: rolled out in the last few years. So the kind 50 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: of national survey that we look to for this information 51 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: is called the National Household Drug Survey. It was last 52 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: conducted in the twenty twenty two to twenty three financial year, 53 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: and of course since then vaping rules have changed, and 54 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, there is maybe an anecdotal uptick in 55 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: the rates of smoking amongst young people as a result 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: of those reforms. So we'll be looking to the next 57 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: survey to find out kind of more about that figure specifically. 58 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but even here you've said eight percent of us 59 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: is over the age of fourteen smoke daily. That is 60 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: still while comparative to where it used to be smaller, 61 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: it is still quite a significant portion of the community 62 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: who are still smoking cigarettes, and that figure doesn't include vaping. 63 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: What does the latest data tell us about the health 64 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: outcomes for the smokers. We've learnt so much over the 65 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: last you know, however, many decades exactly. 66 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: So, even though there are less people smoking, the negative 67 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: health outcomes caused by smoking are still very, very serious, 68 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: and there are many health issues associated with smoking. A 69 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: statement from the Department of Health last month actually said 70 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: that long terms, smokers die ten years earlier than non smokers, 71 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: and tobacco smoking remains one of the leading causes of 72 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: preventable death and disability in Australia. So what we're kind 73 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: of seeing rolled out this week in response to that 74 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: are some new measures aimed at improving public health rates overall, 75 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: aimed at reducing those preventable deaths, and part of that 76 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: includes several new health warnings. 77 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so this is what I really wanted to 78 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: zero in on, because when we received this information, we 79 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: weren't sure if it was April fools, just by nature 80 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: of the day, when you're working in news and it's 81 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: April first, you never quite know what you're meant to 82 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: do with that. But no, it's not April Fools. From yesterday, 83 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: we understand that individual cigarettes will have health warnings published 84 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: onto them or printed onto them, and that is in 85 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: addition to existing plane packaging laws and warnings that go 86 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 2: on the outside of the packet. Yeah, I guess let's 87 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: go from the outside in. Those plane packaging law have 88 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: been in place for quite a while. Now, what do 89 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: we know about their effectiveness? And then I want to 90 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: go to this more recent news. 91 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: Yes, so you would probably be very familiar with those 92 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: quite graphic images on the packaging of cigarettes. Those warnings 93 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: have been in place since December twenty twelve, things like 94 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: messaging and images of a gangrenous foot which has a 95 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: warning alongside it saying smoking causes vascular disease. Everyone has 96 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: seen those pictures, and experts say that those warnings are effective, 97 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: that they do work when it comes to increasing knowledge 98 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: about the harms of smoking and preventing smoking uptake and 99 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: encouraging smokers to quit. But what they have acknowledged is 100 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: that their effectiveness decreases over time. So as we become 101 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: more and more accustomed to seeing these images, they are 102 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: less shocking, we become desensitized to them, and they are 103 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: therefore less impactful. So it's hoped that a range of 104 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: mandatory new tobacco health warnings are going to shift that 105 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: sentiment again. And I'd smokers that education and also access 106 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: to support services. 107 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: Okay, so talk me through those changes then I mentioned 108 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 2: one of them before. 109 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, So, as of the first of April yesterday, all 110 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: cigarettes sold in Australia must have those individual warnings printed 111 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: on them. As you mentioned under the changes, that includes 112 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: eight different phrases. So each cigarette will have one of 113 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: eight phrases that includes a phrase causes sixteen cancers and 114 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: damages your lungs and damages your DNA on each cigarette. Now, 115 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: according to the Department of Health, those warnings provide information 116 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: to quote help people understand the consequences of smoking and 117 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: encourage people to stop smoking or to not start at all. 118 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 2: I don't know if you're going to answer this, but 119 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: the logistics of this blows my mind. 120 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 121 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: The idea of printing these tiny messages on these tiny cigarettes, yep. 122 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 2: And then my brain immediately goes to does the message 123 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: disappear when you start smoking? How does that actually work? 124 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: No, it's a really good question, and I think we 125 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: all had that question when reading this announcement. The warnings 126 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: are actually printed on both sides of the cigarette filter, 127 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: so it's the filter part of the cigarette that doesn't 128 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: burn down. Rather than the paper, So these warnings are 129 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: preserved on that filter on either side, you know, long 130 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: after the cigarette has been smoked. And you know, even 131 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: though this is a really interesting kind of reform, it's 132 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: not the first time it's happened in the world. The 133 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: government announced this legislation about a year ago and at 134 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: the time there was no one else doing it. But 135 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: since then Canada has actually rolled out its own very 136 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: similar approach. There are phrases like quote poison in every 137 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: puff and cigarettes cause cancer that appear near the filter 138 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: of cigarettes sold there. The Canadian Cancer Society has said 139 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: that those health warnings are there with every cigarette and 140 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: every puff during every smoke break. They simply cannot be ignored. 141 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: They said, I mean, even though there is one country, 142 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: that's not a lot, there's not a lot of precedent here, 143 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: and Australia has kind of led the way when it 144 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: comes to tobacco reform, and clearly the same as being 145 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: done here. You did mention though, that the individual warnings 146 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: are not the only reform that took effect yesterday. What 147 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: else was there? 148 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: Yes So there are also ten new graphic health warnings 149 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: for cigarette packaging. So the ones that we discussed before 150 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: that were introduced originally in twenty twelve. They're going to 151 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: get a bit of a refresh, so some new and 152 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: different images and messaging. There's also going to be these 153 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: new health promotion inserts inside the packets of the cigarettes, 154 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: So there'll be ten new promotional inserts and they will 155 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: include information on quitting and support services like Quitline. So 156 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: I think what's really interesting about these is that, you know, 157 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: rather than the shock factor maybe of the warnings and 158 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: the images, these inserts are really focused on educating people 159 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: about the benefits of quitting, the social benefits, the health benefits, 160 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: and they provide advice and strategies to kind of help 161 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: people quit and begin that journey with some resources and support. 162 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: There is also a ban being rolled out on menthol cigarettes, 163 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: and that's going to be a phased ban which started 164 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: yesterday for. 165 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: People who maybe aren't familiar with what a menthol cigarette is, 166 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,239 Speaker 2: what is it and why menthols. 167 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: Yes, so this one is really about banning an ingredient 168 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: that makes smoking taste better essentially, So. 169 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: The same argument as vaping about the flavored vapes exactly. 170 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: So mental cigarettes kind of have like a menthol bead 171 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: near the filter that smokers crack and it sends this 172 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: kind of cooling flavor through the cigarette product. 173 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: And simply had no idea. That's what happened. Learn something 174 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: new every day. 175 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: It's really interesting. And it's funny you mentioned that the 176 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: vaping flavors there, because the policy that has informed this 177 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: kind of crackdown really ties into similar strategies that we've 178 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: seen with vaping. So Health Minister Mark Butler launched a 179 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: crackdown on flavored vapes, and as part of that he 180 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: sort of described these products being marketed to young people specifically. 181 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: And that's what we're seeing here. There's this crackdown on 182 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: smoking products that taste good or that look different. There's 183 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: this other standardized measure being rolled out about the size 184 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: of cigarette sticks. So no more novelty pack sizes or 185 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,599 Speaker 1: no more long cigarettes. 186 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: I was gonna say there was always I mean, I 187 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 2: don't know if this was pop culture movies, I don't 188 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: know what it is, but like the long, thin cigarette, yes, 189 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: being thought of as classy exactly. Imagine this is all 190 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: trying to crack down on repackaging something that no matter 191 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: which way you look at it is still bad for you. Yep. 192 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: So when he announced these new tobacco control measures. Mark 193 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: Butler touched on exactly what you've just articulated, Zara. He said, 194 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: quote big Tobacco has found these innovative ways to make 195 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: their products seem almost cool, particularly appealing to young Australians 196 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 1: and young smokers. He said. They use additives and flavors 197 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: like menthol capsules, and they use shapes and colorings that 198 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: are deliberately designed to make them look effective, like so 199 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: called vogue that are popular on Instagram. Exactly what you've 200 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: described there, Zara. Butler said that they use quote cool 201 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: but ultimately misleading names and brands, things like Crush, Organic, 202 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: Smooth or Vogues. 203 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is really fascinating. And the fact that these 204 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: moves have already been made when it comes to vaping 205 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,479 Speaker 2: and now we're kind of going back to the cigarettes 206 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: to implement very similar reforms exactly in some ways shows 207 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: I guess how intrinsically linked these two things are. And 208 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: I do want to just finish by getting a sense 209 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: of how health advocates in the country have responded to 210 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: these reforms. 211 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they have been broadly welcomed by health advocates 212 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: and groups like the Cancer Council, Cancer Council Australia, who 213 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: described our country as world leaders in tobacco control. I 214 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: think you know, we've seen that over the years with 215 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: the packaging reforms, with the taxation on cigarettes. They said 216 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: that the reforms are quote effective evidence based measures. Interestingly, 217 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: Cancer Council also pointed out to the fact that the 218 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: new warnings will include smoking harms that many people might 219 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: not actually be aware of, such as diabetes, a rectile dysfunction, 220 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: cervical cancer, DNA damage, the impact of secondhand smoke on 221 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: children's lung capacity. And then we had the director of 222 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: Quit the Support Service, Rachel Anderson. She said she hopes 223 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: the changes will educate Australians quote acting as both a 224 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: disincentive to smoke and a bridge to services such as 225 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: quitline and quit dot org dot AU. 226 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: I guess it's just a matter of time now to 227 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: see whether these reforms are as effective as the government 228 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 2: hopes that they will be. I do imagine though, that 229 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: regardless of the fact that these measures came into force yesterday, 230 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: there are likely still going to be products that don't 231 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: conform to the new era rules. So what happens there. 232 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: So this was actually announced, these reforms were announced late 233 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: last year, and manufacturers and importers and retailers were kind 234 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: of offered this transition period to give them time to 235 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: sh shift to the new arrangements. So that transition period 236 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: was largely seen as finishing up at the end of March. However, 237 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: from now until the end of June, basically retailers are 238 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: allowed to sell through stock that doesn't meet these new requirements, 239 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: and then from the thirtieth of June the government will 240 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: be more hardline on enforcing those regulations amongst retailers and 241 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: there will be penalties and fines for retailers who are 242 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: selling product that does not contain those new warnings. 243 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: Am a really interesting topic. Thank you for explaining that. 244 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: Thank you, and thank you for listening to another episode 245 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: of The Daily Oas as always, we'll be vaculated today 246 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 2: with the headlines. But until then, I have a great day. 247 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda 248 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: Bunjelung Calcuttin woman from Gadigl Country. The Daily os acknowledges 249 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 250 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and torystrenth 251 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 2: island and nations. We pay our respects to the first 252 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: peoples of these countries, both past and present.