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Speaker 1: From the Daily Os. I'm Billy fitz Simon's and this

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Speaker 1: is no silly Questions. This is the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: break down the big issues for young people in the

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Speaker 1: lead up to the federal election.

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Speaker 2: Well, good morning everyone. Earlier today I visited his excellency

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Speaker 2: the Governor General and advised him to call an election

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Speaker 2: for the House of Representatives and half.

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Speaker 3: Of the Senate.

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Speaker 1: And we are finally here. Prime Minister Scott Morrison called

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Speaker 1: the federal election on Sunday and Australia will go to

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Speaker 1: the polls on May twenty one. So for the next

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Speaker 1: six weeks, the Coalition, the Labor Party, the Greens and

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Speaker 1: candidates from across the political spectrum will try to win

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Speaker 1: your vote. And one of the issues that we can

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Speaker 1: expect to be a major policy issue is corruption. Political

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Speaker 1: corruption in Australia is on the rise. That's according to

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Speaker 1: a highly regarded global measure called the Corruption Perceptions Index

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Speaker 1: from Transparency International. This year Australia received its worst ever

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Speaker 1: score and there have been a bunch of corruption and

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Speaker 1: integrity scandals in the news over the last few years.

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Speaker 1: You might remember when Christian Porter, then Attorney General, confirmed

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Speaker 1: he had accepted an anonymous donation to pay his legal

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Speaker 1: fees for a defamation case against the ABC.

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Speaker 4: Nothing in the allegations that have been printed ever happened.

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Speaker 1: In another case, a federal cabinet minister was accused of

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Speaker 4: As I made absolutely clear yesterday, my indirect interest in

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Speaker 4: jam Land, which is part of our family farms, has

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Speaker 4: been widely reported in the media and was declared in

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Speaker 4: accordance with.

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Speaker 1: The rules, mister Speaker and Sporting club.

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Speaker 3: Well, yesterday I resigned my ministry and I informed the

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Speaker 3: from my leadership roles.

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Speaker 1: And of course it happens on both sides of politics,

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Speaker 1: like when Labor Senator Sam Destiari was embroiled in a

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Speaker 4: I take responsibility for the subsequent mischaracterization.

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Speaker 1: So what can be done about it? Well, many have

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Speaker 1: called for the establishment of a national anti corruption commission.

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Speaker 1: In fact, both the major parties went to the last

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Speaker 1: Liberal Party and the National Party of course won that election.

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Speaker 1: But three years later it still hasn't happened. Let's start

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Speaker 1: by explaining what an anti corruption commission actually is. Every

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Speaker 1: the federal government. The aim is simple, to uncover corruption

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Speaker 1: and hold politicians to engage in corrupt conduct to account.

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Speaker 1: You probably remember what happened last year to their new

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Speaker 1: South Wales Premier, Gladysbury jigli In.

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Speaker 2: I was advised late yesterday afternoon the Independent Commission against

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Speaker 2: Corruption will today release a public statement in which it

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Speaker 2: will stated his investigating allegations made about me concerning matters

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Speaker 1: In October of last year, the new South Wales Independent

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Speaker 1: announced it would be investigating whether Gladysbury Jicklian's private relationship

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Speaker 1: It was one of the biggest political stories of last year,

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Speaker 1: and Bert Jicklian's resignation triggered growing calls for a similar

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Speaker 2: Finally, thank you again for giving me the honor of

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Speaker 2: being your premier.

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Speaker 5: Thanks you very much.

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Speaker 3: The war.

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Speaker 1: So where is the government up to?

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Speaker 5: My name's Amanda Stoker. I am an LMP Senator for Queensland.

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Speaker 1: Amanda Stoker is the Assistant mess to the Attorney General,

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Speaker 5: In our efforts to fulfill that promise, put that forward

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Speaker 5: we have a model that we think does the right thing.

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Speaker 5: We were prepared to put it to the Parliament, you know,

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Speaker 1: I also spoke to Mark Drefers. He's from the Labor Party,

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Speaker 3: We think that this has been a government that's focused

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Speaker 1: So what does Mark Drapers, and remember he's from the

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a good thing that both parties,

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Speaker 3: how to improve the model that they have put forward.

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Speaker 3: Up until now, when I say put forward, they've never

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Speaker 3: I think they're scared of setting up an anti corruption commission.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's look at what the government's proposed model

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Speaker 1: the Commonwealth Integrity Commission and it's intended to investigate corruption

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Speaker 6: Look, the establishment of a Commonwealth Integrity Commission is an

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Speaker 5: Them together into one place that's easily accessible by Australians

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Speaker 5: a way that means Australians can understand it, Australians can

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Speaker 1: Now it's true that the Labor Party won't support the

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Speaker 3: They seem to have an idea that you should have

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Speaker 3: that happened before the Anti Corruption Commission was set up.

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Speaker 3: We think that's wrong. They think that you can have

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Speaker 3: how the commission's going about its work, and that means

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Speaker 3: holding public hearings sometimes, and perhaps most importantly, the Morrison

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Speaker 3: that any member of the Australian community who's concerned about corruption,

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Speaker 3: be able to make a complaint to this Anti Corruption

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Speaker 3: be then investigated. So obviously you can't expect that every

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Speaker 3: the Commission should be able to act on complaints from

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a lot to take in. Let's break down

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Speaker 1: those criticisms and hear what Senator Stoker thinks. As Mark

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Speaker 1: So I asked Amanda Stoker, is it not in the

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Speaker 5: So the arrangement that's in place is that if there's

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Speaker 1: Another thing that Marked has brought up was the fact

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Speaker 5: Look, it's a reasonable question to ask, But we have

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Speaker 5: you can bring up the AFP today as a member

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Speaker 5: you can contact the Australian Commission for Law Enforcement Integrity,

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Speaker 5: doesn't change all of those opportunities will continue to exist

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Speaker 1: the current government's plan. But as I'm sure you've heard

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Speaker 1: me say about one hundred times now, there is a

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Speaker 3: If Labor is elected to government. We will set up

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Speaker 3: do it quickly. It's certainly something that we aim to

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Speaker 1: Amanda Stoka says Labour's plan lacks detail.

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Speaker 5: The difficulty with Labour's model is that it's sort of

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Speaker 5: just a bunch of high level principles with no detail.

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Speaker 5: We've produced a bill, a bill that is ready to

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Speaker 5: go into Parliament as it stands, that rests on the

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Speaker 5: back of extensive consultation. Labour's got a two pager with

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Speaker 5: a couple of principles that haven't made the haven't done

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Speaker 5: the difficult work of flushing that out into what does

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Speaker 5: this actually look like in practice. It's very easy to

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Speaker 5: make a list of motherhood statements. It's much harder to

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Speaker 5: get down to the nuts and bolts of building something

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Speaker 5: that can work in practice. So I mean, as motherhood

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Speaker 5: statements go, the motherhood statements aren't bad, but there's not

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Speaker 5: an awful lot of meat on those bones, if you

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Speaker 5: know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'll be the first to admit that this has

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Speaker 1: been a very dense topic. But you've made it to

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Speaker 1: the end, so let's summarize what we've weren't. Both the

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Speaker 1: Coalition and the Labor Party agree there needs to be

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Speaker 1: a federal anti corruption Commission, and they both went to

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Speaker 1: the last election promising they would establish one, but after

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Speaker 1: the Coalition got into power, they didn't deliver on that promise.

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Speaker 1: They say that's because Labor wouldn't support the legislation, so

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Speaker 1: there was no point, according to them, introducing a bill.

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Speaker 1: Labor on the other hand, says it has serious changes

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Speaker 1: it wants to make to the plan. They also say

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Speaker 1: that the actual reason the commission hasn't been introduced is

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Speaker 1: because it's worried of what you might find. So what

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Speaker 1: does it mean for the upcoming election, Well, the government

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Speaker 1: says it is still committed to establishing the corruption watchdog

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Speaker 1: if it can get support from Labor, which seems unlikely

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Speaker 1: in its current form. If Labour wins, they say they'll

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Speaker 1: establish a corruption watchdog too, and they say that it

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Speaker 1: will happen within the first two years of their three

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Speaker 1: year term. But the question will be will they get

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Speaker 1: support from the coalition. Thank you so much for listening

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