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Speaker 2: Well, it's not going to be a monument.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a public art, a piece of

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Speaker 4: So what is this?

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Speaker 1: Is it a monument for cycling and tracing? So why

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Getting seven So seven hundred thousand dollars is going to

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Speaker 3: The same way that the jellyfision in front of the

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you, and I have said before, this is

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Speaker 1: Do how much is the how much is the Council

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry, Katie.

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Speaker 3: It was a decision by the Committee and.

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Speaker 3: The committee wanted kinetic structure and a memorial least point.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Luke, Hey Katie, how are you? Yeah, really good?

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Speaker 5: out what's happening.

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Speaker 2: Down there, we'll do.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thanks so much,