1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Already, and this is the daily This is the daily. 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning, and welcome 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: to the Daily yours. It is Friday, the twentieth of March. 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm Billy Fitzsimon's. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 2: I'm Zara Seidler. 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: Today we're looking at the legal battle in France over 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: where the ultra fast fashion giant Sheen should be suspended 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: after it was found selling child sexual abuse material on 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: its platform. If the French government wins, Sheen could be 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: banned in the country for three months. We'll tell you 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: what you need to know about the French government's fight 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: against fast fashion companies in today's podcasts. 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: Now BILLI I feel like most people, even if they 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 2: haven't been on Sheen or bought something from Sheen, are 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: aware of it. It is almost everywhere at this stage, 16 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: kind of came from nowhere and is now wherever you 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: go on the internet you see Sheen advertise or something 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: like that. But I don't know that a lot of 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,919 Speaker 2: people necessarily know about the mechanics of the company, about 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: where it started, what it is. Why don't you just 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: run us through that so that we can talk about 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: today's story with some context. 23 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Sheen is essentially an ultra fast fashion company, 24 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: so it's not like Azara or in H and M. 25 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: It's ultra fast fashion. It's known for being really really 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: cheap yeh. And it's kind of like Timu, which I 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: think a lot of people are also familiar with. They're 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: both Chinese companies. How I understand it is Sheen is 29 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: kind of more focused on women's clothing in particular. They 30 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: do also have products and men's clothing, but women's clothing primarily, 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: and then Timu's kind of got more products, I would say, 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: and they are quite controversial. They have been criticized over 33 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: things like sustainability, also labor practices, so how their products 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: are being made and whether there is child labor in that. 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: And then they've also been controversial for copying other brands' 36 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: clothes and designs, which we know is a big issue 37 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: in the fashion industry. Another thing that's important to understand 38 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: for this conversation is that on Sheen it has a 39 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: marketplace where third party sellers can sell their products. So 40 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: it's not like a Tzara where Zara is producing all 41 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: of their clothes. On Sheen, there are whole there are 42 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of sellers who are independently selling their products. 43 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? 44 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: Makes sense? And what you were saying before about all 45 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: controversies that have plagued Sheen, I've got to say that 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: I was surprised about what we were talking about today 47 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: because it does feel like there are so many ways 48 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: that people criticize Sheen. I hadn't heard about this topic 49 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: until you pitched it to me earlier this morning, and 50 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: so I'm really interested about why it is we are 51 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: talking about Sheen today because it's not for those labor 52 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: practices and it's not for those climate concerns. It's for 53 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: some completely different. 54 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're talking about it today because they were 55 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: found to be selling child like sex dolls on the site. 56 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: Can you just explain what a child like sex doll is? 57 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: Because I had to look up what it was that 58 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: they were selling. Yeah, obviously never seen something like this before. 59 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: It's quite shocking when you see it because it kind 60 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: of just looks like a doll. So it is a 61 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: doll that looks like a prepreveescent child that is designed 62 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: for men's pleasures specifically, and mostly the dolls that were 63 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: being sold on Sheen were depicting little girls and they 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: can look quite lifelike in nature. You know, they're not 65 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: just tiny little dolls. They can be up to eighty 66 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: centimeters in length, they can be quite heavy, and according 67 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: to the ABC, which was one of the first publications 68 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: to report on this, those dolls are actually designed with 69 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: vaginas and mouse that fit an adult penis, So it 70 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: is specifically for the purpose of men's. 71 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: Pleasure and jump in here to I guess just paint 72 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: a picture of just how child like these are or were, 73 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: like one of the little girls, I guess if you 74 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: want to call it, that is holding a teddy bear. Yes, 75 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: it's really depicting a child, yes, yea. 76 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say it's really explicit in its childlike nature. 77 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 78 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: And the screenshots of the dolls on the side, although 79 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: they've since been taken down, which you'll get to, but 80 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: the screenshots they existed when it was on the side 81 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: explicitly state that they are masturbation toys. 82 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: Okay, And so these existed. You said they're being taken down, 83 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: but these existed on Sheen And then you said at 84 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: the top that we're talking about this because France took 85 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: action against Sheen. Can you talk us through what that 86 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 2: legal action look like like, what are the avenues for 87 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 2: a company as huge as Sheen and, as you said, 88 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: one that has so many different do you call them 89 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: vendors or so many different sellers sellers on it? 90 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: So, France's fraud watchdog flagged this last year with Sheen, 91 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: and they attempted to suspend the site for three months 92 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: from operating in France. Now that would have meant that 93 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: they couldn't operate at all. 94 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,119 Speaker 2: I want to understand more about this ability, but let's 95 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: just take a quick break to hear from today's sponsor. Okay, 96 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 2: so France took the step or it's scam regulated? Did 97 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: you say it was? The fraud fraud watchdog took steps 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: to crack down on Sheen after it was found to 99 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: have exhibited these childlike dolls? How did Sheen response to this? 100 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: And I'm also thinking about you know, we spoke was 101 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: it this week? I don't remember about porn hub last week? 102 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: About Pornhub and the fact that people were just using 103 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: VPNs to get around these things. If Sheen had been 104 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: taken down, presumably people could still access it in France. 105 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: Yes, but I guess it's different because you still have 106 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: to import the package into France. So there'd been another 107 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: line of defense, like, it's not totally not all long, 108 00:05:59,200 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: it's not all long. 109 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And so how did Shean respond. 110 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: Well, they basically said, yes, we can see. I mean, 111 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: it's a pretty black and white thing. It's either there 112 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: it's not there. And it was there. And Sheen said 113 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: that they were immediately taking down all of the dolls 114 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: that were like this sexual in nature, and they said 115 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: that they're banning it from ever happening on the platform. 116 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 2: Again, I am curious about that. Though there are so 117 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: many products on that website, like thousands and thousands and thousands, 118 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: I'm interested whose job it is to be keeping an 119 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: eye out for what is actually on there. 120 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: Well, have you ever sold anything on Deepop? 121 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 2: I have, because you got me into I did. 122 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: There was the leading question. I was debating whether or 123 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: not to bring this up. But since the conversation has 124 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: gone here, because deep Hoop is very different, they've never 125 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: been accused of anything like this. But I mean, you 126 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: and I have both sold things on deepop, and I 127 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever uploaded something that then you've 128 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: got a notice saying that this isn't the right description 129 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: or this photo is a oh I have Okay, maybe 130 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: maybe it says more about me, but it would be 131 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: like something that was maybe a more expensive brand, and 132 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: the site would say, we can't actually verify that it 133 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: is this brand, and so therefore you have to take 134 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: it down. 135 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: Okay. 136 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: So there are other companies that are also doing this, 137 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: and they would have things like trigger words that if 138 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: it comes up they know that they have to go 139 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: check that. 140 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay. 141 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: There are other companies that. 142 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: Have measures in place exactly. Okay. 143 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: Now, Sheen said we would take all of this down, 144 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: but that didn't stop the French government from still saying, 145 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: you still breach the law, so we are still going 146 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: to go after you to be suspended for three months 147 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: in this country. Now. That went to court last year 148 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: and in December a court basically sided with Sheen interesting 149 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: and said that the French government cannot suspend Sheen for 150 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: three months because they said that would be disproportionate. That 151 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: would be dis proportionate response to the crime essentially. 152 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: So, I mean, did they identify that there was an 153 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: issue there in the first place. 154 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: They said that there was an issue, but they didn't 155 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: say that it was necessarily a systemic. 156 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: Issue like it could have been a once off exactly. 157 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: They said there weren't enough instances for it to require 158 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: the company to be taken down for three months. So 159 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 1: I have a quote from the verdict. It said only 160 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: certain products on the marketplace were identified in these proceedings 161 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: as manifestly illegal and harmful, while the machine platform offers 162 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: several hundred thousand items for sale, So it's saying there 163 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: are so many products here and there were only a 164 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: few that were illegal, and those ones that are illegal 165 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: no longer exist, so we think it's okay for now. However, 166 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: they did say that for all sexual products being sold 167 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: on Chine they need to implement age verification measures, which 168 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: seems to be the term of age verification measures. In 169 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: regards to the suspension, though the French government disagreed with 170 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: the court and said they were still in breach. We 171 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: still want them to be suspended for three months, and 172 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: so they appealed the decision, okay, which is why we're 173 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: talking about it today. 174 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: Wow, I think I asked that question about fifteen minutes ago, 175 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: so that's why we're talking about it today. Yes, So 176 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: that's the appeal. 177 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: That's the appeal that is happening this week. 178 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: Okay, and so we will presumably find out how that court, 179 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: that appeals court rules. 180 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: Just as a side note, the French government has also 181 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: said that regardless of what happens in this appeal's case, 182 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: they are working on a bill that would allow them 183 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: to suspend companies without them needing to go to a court. 184 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: So they obviously feel so strongly about this that they 185 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: feel like they should be able to suspend a company 186 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: if it is in breach of law, which again it 187 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: is a fact that it was in breach of law. 188 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: It's just what the consequence of. 189 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: That is really interesting. Now really before we end, and 190 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: we spoke just really briefly touched on it before about 191 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: the nature of how ultra fast fashion sheene is. I 192 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: remember reading some headlines about France cracking down on fast 193 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: fashion and it kind of leading the world in terms 194 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: of this sort of thing. Do you want to just 195 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: end by telling us a bit about that. 196 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, they have been real leaders in this. I wonder 197 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: if it's because Paris is kind of seen as the 198 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: fashion capital of the world that they have been so 199 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: strict on cracking down on fast fashion companies. So last 200 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: year they passed a bill that meant that ultra fast 201 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: fashion companies cannot advertise in France. 202 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: Wow. 203 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: And again we're talking about the Sheines and the Team Roos. 204 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: We're not talking about Zara or H and M, which 205 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: are massive in France. But that was world first legislation 206 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: that meant that they could not advertise in France. And 207 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: they also introduced a tax for every single product that 208 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: an ultra fist fashion company sells in France. So the 209 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: law means that these brands must pay a tax of 210 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: five euros per product sold. That's right now, but that's 211 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: then due to increase to ten euros per product by 212 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: twenty thirty. 213 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever been on Sheen, I 214 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: reckon it's more than before five dollars. 215 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: How cheap? 216 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: It is extremely cheap. So how does that work? 217 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: Good question. So there is a cap on how much 218 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: this tax is. It has to be less than fifty 219 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 1: percent of the price of the product. 220 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: Okay, So if it's an extremely cheap price, you're not 221 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: paying ten euros on a thirty cent item. Yes, okay, 222 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: really interesting, And I mean we in Australia. I don't 223 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: believe it anywhere near that sort of. 224 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: So I was looking into this because, like I said earlier, 225 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: the ABC did do reporting on this where it was 226 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: available in Australia and it would have been illegal to 227 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: import these dolls into Australia, but that didn't stop Sheen 228 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: from selling it to customers in Australia. I tried to 229 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: see if the Australian government had done anything about it. 230 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: All I could see was that the AFP the Federal 231 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: Police have cracked down on the imports or dolls of 232 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: sexual dolls into Australia, but it didn't name the companies 233 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: that they were coming from, so it kind of looked 234 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: like they were dealing with this on perhaps an individual 235 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: basis or looking at where these specific packages were coming from. 236 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: But I couldn't see anything at a federal level, as 237 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: in I couldn't see anything from a government to level. 238 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, understood, all right, Well, very interesting and we'll 239 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: be keeping an eye out for that appeals process that's 240 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: due to be handed down. Billy, Thank you so much 241 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: for explaining that. Thank you, and thank you for joining 242 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: us for another episode of The Daily Ohs. 243 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: We will be back. 244 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: Later today with the headlines, but until then, have a 245 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: great day. 246 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Aarunda 247 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 1: Bungelow Kalgoton woman from Gadigol Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 248 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 249 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: Gadigol people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestrate 250 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: island and nations. 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