WEBVTT - JULIE GOODWIN IS TAKING HER SHOCK EXIT WELL

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<v Speaker 1>first ever winner and this season's latest to victi Julie Goodwin.

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<v Speaker 1>This season we welcome back to the kitchen, the most

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<v Speaker 1>celebrated contestant ever and while she had most of Australia

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<v Speaker 1>banking on her second win, it was a birdcake that

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<v Speaker 1>cooked her chances and a second trophy of the hit

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<v Speaker 1>Channel ten TV program. Julie had the entire cast talking

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<v Speaker 1>about her affable nature and warm presence among the competition,

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<v Speaker 1>with everyone stating what you see is what you get.

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<v Speaker 1>Julie has been in the jungle, on radio, in your

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<v Speaker 1>cookbooks and many budding chefs have been in her cooking classes.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything that this powerful woman cannot do? There

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<v Speaker 1>is a moment in this chat where she talks about

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<v Speaker 1>the similarities with Forest Gump and his life and this

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<v Speaker 1>amazing similarities of an extraordinary story that just keeps getting

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<v Speaker 1>bigger and better, all the while still being her humble self.

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<v Speaker 1>We will talk about what's next, what she thought in

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<v Speaker 1>the final cook Drinking culture in Australia, best career moments,

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<v Speaker 1>including Kermit the Frog, and who she thinks will win

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<v Speaker 1>Master Chef Fans versus favorites. However, let's get started. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to welcome one of Australia's biggest reality TV stars ever.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Julie Goodwin.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew from the minute they asked me that I

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<v Speaker 2>was yeah, I was probably gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sheriff has produced some of the biggest names in food.

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<v Speaker 3>I screamed and I dropped the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time ever.

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<v Speaker 3>It's funs versus febites.

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<v Speaker 2>I truly feel like it's appropriate for me to not

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<v Speaker 2>have won this time around. Julie the bottom of all

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<v Speaker 2>of our cakes, well don't. I can say that the

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<v Speaker 2>Australian drinking culture makes it very hard to be a

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<v Speaker 2>non drinker.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, Julie. For the first time ever, you're gone home.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to all leave this richer for having been here.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Julie, how are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm great?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you well, congratulations on your return to Master Chef Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Was this a hard decision for you to agree to

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<v Speaker 1>come back to the kitchen?

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<v Speaker 3>It's funny. It was a decision. In my head.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a decision that I should have made differently,

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<v Speaker 2>But in my gut, in my heart, I was I

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<v Speaker 2>just I you. From the minute they asked me that,

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<v Speaker 2>I was, yeah, I was probably gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Why what was your head saying? Was your head saying

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not well?

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<v Speaker 2>My head was saying, are you mad? And then my

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<v Speaker 2>head said, yes you are. And that's the problem. I

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<v Speaker 2>spoke to my psychologist and she said, it's like you've

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<v Speaker 2>got two broken legs and you've told me that you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to walk the Kakoda track. So the two broken

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<v Speaker 2>legs being you know that I've had some ill mental

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<v Speaker 2>health over the past couple of years and I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>in a great space. So really, if you looked at

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<v Speaker 2>things from a logical point of view, it didn't make

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<v Speaker 2>much sense to put myself under that kind of pressure

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<v Speaker 2>and be away from my family for six months. But

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<v Speaker 2>then I just felt this little sort of fears of

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<v Speaker 2>excitement that had been missing for a while, and I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe this is just the thing that I need.

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<v Speaker 1>I think everyone in the world who watched, everyone in

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<v Speaker 1>Australia that's watched this series would love to be like you,

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<v Speaker 1>which is so funny because it doesn't always demonstrate what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening on the inside for us. So while you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about your mental health struggles, here we are in Australia

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<v Speaker 1>watching you, and I think we all want to be you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah oh look no, I I nobody's life is all

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<v Speaker 2>sunshine and unicorns, you know, And if anybody's life looks

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<v Speaker 2>like that, then you know they probably need to be

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<v Speaker 2>asked if they're doing okay, because it's just not the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not how life goes.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I love my life, but there's things

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, things go hey why sometimes and that's

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<v Speaker 2>just sometimes it's a little bit outside our control as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that that's just reality. But yeah, at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, I think everybody's got their

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<v Speaker 2>ups and their downs.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ring Poe and ask Poe? I mean, she

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<v Speaker 1>came second to your win back in the day, and

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<v Speaker 1>she'd come back just a couple of years before. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you ring her and ask her whether or not it

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<v Speaker 1>was a good idea?

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<v Speaker 3>I did?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Touched Facebook poets and I'm like, God, crazy

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<v Speaker 2>things happening again. She's you know, she and I are

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<v Speaker 2>so similar to each other. We're such good friends, and

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<v Speaker 2>we've been through so much together. And she knew I

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<v Speaker 2>would say yes, and I knew she would say yes

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<v Speaker 2>where they asked her too.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>There's she's got a very similar sort of sense of

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<v Speaker 2>wild and adventure to us, so we kind of both

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<v Speaker 2>knew that that would be the case. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>did I touch base with that because she'd only just

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<v Speaker 2>done it on back to win, and you know, we've

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<v Speaker 2>both been through I'm a celebrity to get me out

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<v Speaker 2>of here. We've both had a lot of similar life

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<v Speaker 2>experiences that Master Chef brought to us.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're very We're very connected.

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<v Speaker 1>I love to hear this. I just love the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that you guys are still friends. I think that's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>We're great mates. We're great mates. She's like a sister.

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<v Speaker 1>You're probably the most celebrated though contestant in Master Chef history.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of pressure did that create for you coming

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<v Speaker 1>back in?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, look, the pressure that I felt. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 3>say that I was putting it all on myself, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not actually sure that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt pressure because, you know, I feel like the

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<v Speaker 2>foundation of my life at the moment has been built

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<v Speaker 2>on my win from thirteen years ago and all the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunities and experiences that came my way. So really, if

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<v Speaker 2>I get into that foundation by going on this show

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<v Speaker 2>again and shake it, what's.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>I could, you know, if I make an absolute tool

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<v Speaker 2>out of myself, I could lose my business. I could,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it could bring my whole life tumbling down

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<v Speaker 2>that I've constructed, you know. So that is a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of pressure, and I didn't really know how it would go.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know if what they would be looking for,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'd be looking for things that are just completely

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<v Speaker 2>outside my knowledge and ability. So there was a huge

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<v Speaker 2>risk in coming back. But I just thought, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing ventured, nothing gained, and and you know, my husband

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<v Speaker 2>May and I have a bit of a mantra about

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<v Speaker 2>our lives, which is, don't die wondering. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>if I had said no to this, that I would

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<v Speaker 2>be watching it now with a huge amount of regret.

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<v Speaker 1>What I take from you when you're on television is

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<v Speaker 1>your empathy and your warmth and your likability, whether tactics

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<v Speaker 1>or traits that you knew you would need to bring

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<v Speaker 1>to your time back in the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, look, in terms of tactics and traits, I would

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<v Speaker 2>just say trying to think clearly and be calm. No

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<v Speaker 2>tactics in terms of how I went with the other contestants,

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<v Speaker 2>none at all. It's just we're a bunch of human

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<v Speaker 2>beings giving something a go, and we're in quite a

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<v Speaker 2>unique situation, and so we all leaned on each other

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<v Speaker 2>and I just thought that was really beautiful, and we

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<v Speaker 2>all lifted each other up. And it was an agreement

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<v Speaker 2>amongst us almost that we're going to all leave this

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<v Speaker 2>richer for having been here.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether we win or whether we don't, we will all.

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<v Speaker 2>Leave here richer in knowledge, richer in friendships, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and richer inexperience than what we arrived.

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<v Speaker 3>So that was that was all of us brought that

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<v Speaker 3>to the table.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you could have, you know, come back and you

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<v Speaker 1>know you're a past winner, and you could have been

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<v Speaker 1>jaded or arrogant or entitled. But we saw the absolute

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<v Speaker 1>opposite of those traits. I felt like you won me

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<v Speaker 1>over more with your humility, even being eliminated last night.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't come back as arrogant. It's just not.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I know how to do that one,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm just in it. I am in a state

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<v Speaker 2>of awe and gratitude at the.

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<v Speaker 3>Things that come my way. I'm not an extraordinary person.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a very ordinary person.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just like anybody else. But these extraordinary things.

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<v Speaker 2>Have come to pass in my life, and I will

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<v Speaker 2>never take that for granted.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm grateful for that from the bottom of my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you say were the most significant changes to

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<v Speaker 1>the competition since your first experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the most significant changes are actually off camera,

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<v Speaker 2>So the fact that I was allowed to be in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with my family throughout the process.

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<v Speaker 3>So the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Around, I didn't see them or speak to them hardly

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<v Speaker 2>for the nearly five months I was away. This time around,

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<v Speaker 2>we were allowed to have contact. So that made a

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<v Speaker 2>huge difference to me in terms of, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>being able to cope. And also we had a bit

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<v Speaker 2>more privacy this time around. So first time around, there

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<v Speaker 2>was twenty of us living in this house together.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like some weird frat party.

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<v Speaker 2>And this time around we were all in the same

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<v Speaker 2>apartment building, but we all had our own bedroom and

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<v Speaker 2>our own space.

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<v Speaker 3>So that made it very very different from me.

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<v Speaker 2>A bit more adult people, grown up and something that

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<v Speaker 2>somebody of my agent stage.

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<v Speaker 3>Could cope with a bit better than being in on

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<v Speaker 3>some weird school camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, big Brother Master Chef version doesn't sound that appealing.

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<v Speaker 1>You'l beer like cooking all day and then being put

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<v Speaker 1>into that house. No, thank you?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh lord, it was awful.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about this? Because I actually think

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you came out, you know, I actually

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<v Speaker 1>think that's helped you connect to audiences even more. I

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<v Speaker 1>think if you if you'd one again, that would people

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, yeah, you've won. But I think in

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<v Speaker 1>some way it's sort of it's made us love you

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<v Speaker 1>even more. Do you feel like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I truly feel like it's appropriate for me to

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<v Speaker 2>not have won this time around. I also don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that I could have coped with all the conspiracy theories

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<v Speaker 2>around it.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'd won again. So coming fifth actually meant that

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<v Speaker 3>I was there until the very last week. I was

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<v Speaker 3>in finals week, So for me, that was beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think it's fair for somebody else to

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<v Speaker 2>take that on and to have those experiences and have

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<v Speaker 2>that moment. You know, I've had that moment and it

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<v Speaker 2>was so special and it's something I'll never forget. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I gave it everything I had. And I've always said

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<v Speaker 2>that to my kids, you know, whether they were playing

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<v Speaker 2>sport or whatever they were doing, whether it was schoolwork

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<v Speaker 2>or anything, it doesn't matter if you don't win, or

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't come first, or if you don't get

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<v Speaker 2>top march, if you leave nothing in the tank, if

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<v Speaker 2>it's all left out there on the field and you've

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<v Speaker 2>got nothing left to give, then there is no better

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<v Speaker 2>than that you can do. And there was nothing left

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<v Speaker 2>in my tank, mate, at the end of that cook,

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of that season, I gave it everything,

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely everything that I had, And so I walk away

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<v Speaker 2>feeling proud of myself, proud of my family for just

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<v Speaker 2>telling me to go for it and for coping without

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<v Speaker 2>me again for six months, and just richer for the experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you read it all the comments online, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that you've exceeded everyone's expectations with your return. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>seems very happy with it. You've avoided all those conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theories that may have surfaced had you had one. But

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like as an audience, we really saw a

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<v Speaker 1>woman who has been on a journey and still has

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<v Speaker 1>a first for life. I think that's what I've walked

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<v Speaker 1>away with. What has your life been like since we

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<v Speaker 1>last saw you fourteen years ago?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, life's been amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I've I still pinched myself every day as to the

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<v Speaker 2>things that pop up because Mick and Eye jack about

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<v Speaker 2>it that it's my forest grump life.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just go through life meeting these amazing people that

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<v Speaker 2>I'd never thought i'd meet, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, things like my son, he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he's about to turn twenty four. I had to

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<v Speaker 2>think about that to he's about to turn twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>But when for his twelfth birthday, the West Tigers, which

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<v Speaker 2>is his favorite football NRL team, I was able to

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<v Speaker 2>take him down to a training session on his twelfth

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<v Speaker 2>birthday and they all signed his jump up. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>purely because I went on a reality cooking program. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense, but those are the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful things that life has put in our path ever

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<v Speaker 2>since this happened fourteen years ago. And I've been able

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<v Speaker 2>to write books and I've got a cooking school like radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Who thought that coming out of a cooking show. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's all sorts of beautiful things that never would have

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<v Speaker 2>passed my way.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, so it's just a constant adventure.

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<v Speaker 1>Really well, I love being in your audience. I listened

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<v Speaker 1>to your radio show even though I was in a

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<v Speaker 1>different state. I just wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>Lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also watched you in the jungle. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>my friend Joel Creasy the other day and I said

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<v Speaker 1>I would be interviewing you, and he said to say

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<v Speaker 1>hello because he's obsessed with you.

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<v Speaker 3>He's adorable. My god, I love him.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've met a lot of people, You've had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of experiences. You know, what's been your favorite experience

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<v Speaker 1>that this whole experience has conjured up for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, it's impossible to say what my favorite one is,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would have to say that the one that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of sums things up perfectly. Is that I got

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<v Speaker 2>to cook with Kermitt the Frog. So while I was

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<v Speaker 2>the resident cook on the Today Show, the producers rang

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<v Speaker 2>me and said, oh, by the way, wear trousers tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>not address because there'll be a guy underneath your kitchen

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<v Speaker 2>bench as you cook.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm just like, I beg your pardon. She goes, oh, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>So so I didn't explain that very well. We're promoting

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<v Speaker 3>the Muppets movie.

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<v Speaker 2>You're cooking with Kermitt the Frog, And I screamed and

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<v Speaker 2>I dropped the phone and it was one of those

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<v Speaker 2>called the s phones, and it fell apart and the

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<v Speaker 2>batteries fell out. By the time I found the batteries

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<v Speaker 2>and got them all back together, I was crying. And

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, and I got to go in and the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who is in charge of Kermitt the Frog came

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<v Speaker 2>out and said, how I introduced himself, And as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as I heard his voice, I burst into tears again.

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<v Speaker 2>I have loved Kermit the Frog since I was a

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<v Speaker 2>tiny little girl, and it was all about his song

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<v Speaker 2>It's not Easy Being Green. So I was a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a weird kid, you know, And so I just

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<v Speaker 2>really resonated with Kermit the Frog, and so that to me,

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<v Speaker 2>it was I just couldn't believe it. I'm standing next

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<v Speaker 2>to Kermitt the Frog. I forgot that there was a

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<v Speaker 2>puppeteer under the bench. It was just being Kermit and

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<v Speaker 2>we cooked white Christmas together and we talked about all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of things and that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, at the end of that, I just thought,

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<v Speaker 3>on what planet does this happen?

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<v Speaker 2>So if you could have told my five year old

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<v Speaker 2>self that one day I would cook something with Kermit

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<v Speaker 2>the Frog, I would have wet my pants.

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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely love it. I was a weird kid as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so I loved Kermit the Frog. Somebody who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when they do those Facebook things like who do you

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<v Speaker 1>relate to the most? Or who do you look like?

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<v Speaker 1>Or whether it's my double ganger or whether someone I

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<v Speaker 1>relate to, I've always had Kermit the Frog in the mix.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have that in common.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there you godless.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, last night we've got to see you sort

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<v Speaker 1>of talk about your relationship with alcohol, and you were

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<v Speaker 1>saying that you're no longer drinking. Can we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>our relationship with alcohol in this country? Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that we have an unhealthy culture with the way in

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<v Speaker 1>which we drink socially.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh look, I think that the you know, I've never

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<v Speaker 2>been the person that steps in and says what we

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<v Speaker 2>should be doing as a society, you know, in air quotes,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not my place. But I can say that

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian drinking culture makes it very hard to be

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<v Speaker 2>a non drinker. But I will also say that I

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<v Speaker 2>see that changing. I see that changing. I see more

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<v Speaker 2>sort of non alcoholic options on menus I see, and

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<v Speaker 2>actually it's being driven by younger people. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of young people who don't go out drinking anymore. They

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<v Speaker 2>go out for coffees, you know, or they have these

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<v Speaker 2>wild mocktails, and so I am seeing it'll take a

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<v Speaker 2>long time in this country for that to really tilt.

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<v Speaker 2>But we've got a very big drinking culture in this country,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can see, you can see.

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<v Speaker 3>The social issues that it creates.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, there's also a lot of responsible people

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<v Speaker 2>who drink responsibly, and there's a whole industry around it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of beautiful stuff around, you know, vineyards

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<v Speaker 2>and all that sort of thing. So yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>judge anybody else. That's a decision I needed to make

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<v Speaker 2>for my own health and well being and for the

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<v Speaker 2>sake of my family.

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<v Speaker 1>And has that affected your family and your friends around you?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is your change to remove alcohol from your life?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that made your life different.

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<v Speaker 3>Made it better? It's made it better.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not something I have to think about or worry

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<v Speaker 2>about anymore. But in terms of my friends, like I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't hang with a group of big drinkers,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's not like I've put myself on the outer

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<v Speaker 2>with my friends at all. But also I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>around going well. I don't want anyone to drink near me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want anybody else to change what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a decision that I've made, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't. I'm not one of those ex

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<v Speaker 2>drinkers who preaches to people about the evils of drink.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's each to their own, and this just

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<v Speaker 3>had to be what I did for myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, reform drinkers and reform smokers can be really hard

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<v Speaker 1>to take at times, you know what I mean? So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, oh yeah I do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't want to be that person, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because because you know, I it took me a long

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<v Speaker 2>time to come to that decision, and it's not up

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<v Speaker 2>to me to rush anybody else to their decision.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. You know, it's very personal, and every person

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<v Speaker 3>is very different, and everyone's relationship with alcohol is very different,

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<v Speaker 3>and it presents in different ways in different lives.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, having a problematic drinking doesn't just mean

0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:48.760
<v Speaker 2>that you're you know, on a park bench with a

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<v Speaker 2>brown paper bag.

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<v Speaker 3>There's all sorts of ways that can impact your life.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just found that it was impacting my life

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<v Speaker 2>in ways that were not improving my lot. So I

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<v Speaker 2>made the decision and.

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<v Speaker 3>To cut it out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's necessary for the medication that I'm on, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>necessary for my own sense of well being and self worth,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's much better for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I can hear it in your voice. You do

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<v Speaker 1>sound happy, So you know, I think that you've invested

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<v Speaker 1>in yourself, and that's really important. I think for lots

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<v Speaker 1>of us to do is to every now and again

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<v Speaker 1>put our magnifying glass over who we are and what

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing, so that we can evolve into being better

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<v Speaker 1>versions of ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, id just think if there's something in your life

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<v Speaker 2>that makes you feel guilty or makes you feel bad

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<v Speaker 2>or makes you feel defensive, then you know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying stop doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying I have a closer look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, have a.

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<v Speaker 3>Clo look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>If it makes you feel bad, why do you keep

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<v Speaker 2>doing it? And if it's screwing with things, then maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's time to just take a step back, have a

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<v Speaker 2>little look, and make a different choice. And the different

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<v Speaker 2>choice doesn't have to be all or nothing. For me,

0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.240
<v Speaker 2>it's easier to be all or nothing. I am in

0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.720
<v Speaker 2>all or nothing person. But for others it might just be,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, moderating things a little bit. It's you know,

0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:09.040
<v Speaker 2>every person has their own their own story. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like you're not quite happy, or you're doing

0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:16.359
<v Speaker 2>something that's making you not quite happy, or if everybody

0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.240
<v Speaker 2>in your life is telling you that you're doing something

0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.920
<v Speaker 2>that's not great, then just take a little stock and

0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.040
<v Speaker 2>that's that's all, you know, that's all you can do

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<v Speaker 2>really and make some decisions from that.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the questions I love to ask people who

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<v Speaker 1>are living in the spotlight and you've been living in

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<v Speaker 1>the spotlight for so long, is we often read about

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<v Speaker 1>what's written online. What's the weirdest thing that you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>written about yourself or maybe something that's been completely untrue

0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.000
<v Speaker 1>that you've read over the last fourteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's been so many weird things, so many like

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's the obvious fake scandals like Mick and

0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I have. They've had us divorcing a few times now,

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<v Speaker 2>which is so, you know, we've been together for thirty

0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:57.000
<v Speaker 2>three years. That's not happy. But the funniest one that

0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.639
<v Speaker 2>just came out was you know, good old Daily Mail.

0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:02.959
<v Speaker 2>They put out an article saying I'd had a massive

0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.960
<v Speaker 2>fashion fail, which is, you know, that's fine, that's my life.

0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:08.919
<v Speaker 2>And it was all about this pair of orange pants

0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:10.959
<v Speaker 2>that I bought online and I poked fun at myself

0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:12.119
<v Speaker 2>on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 3>But I wore all throughout mastership.

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<v Speaker 2>I wore all different jewelry like knives and forks and

0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:21.000
<v Speaker 2>pizzas and fried eggs and all sorts of stuff. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I wore this tiny spoon necklace and they wrote an

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<v Speaker 2>article of fe Now we all know it's just one

0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:30.520
<v Speaker 2>of her pieces of food jewelry, but some viewers have

0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:34.960
<v Speaker 2>said it looks like a snuffspoon rugs.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Oh my god. I'm sorry it made

0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.040
<v Speaker 3>me laugh because it made me think about a pair

0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:45.480
<v Speaker 3>of earrings that my nan gave me when I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a young girl, and she said, I got to

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<v Speaker 2>these beautiful palm leaf earrings and they were marijuana between

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<v Speaker 2>me Nana and her palm leaf earings and me and

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<v Speaker 2>me little coached necklace of a walking talking drug and billboard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny that how people who watch television and

0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:11.480
<v Speaker 1>people who idolize people, we investigate everything and we can

0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:16.680
<v Speaker 1>turn the most simplest things into something ridiculous without necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>knowing the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing to me what theories gets about it, and

0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:26.359
<v Speaker 2>you know what people assume and what they think, and like,

0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.239
<v Speaker 2>I can't go into it with people online because you

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<v Speaker 2>just you start that conversation and all the conspiracy theorists

0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:34.720
<v Speaker 2>come out of the woodwork. So but I read some

0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.480
<v Speaker 2>of it and I go, wow, that's so far from

0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:41.520
<v Speaker 2>the truth, you know. You know, things like there were

0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.440
<v Speaker 2>some people that said I've signed on for Mastershift because

0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:48.439
<v Speaker 2>I had a guaranteed win. No, And there was others

0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:51.320
<v Speaker 2>that said that I signed on, that they made me

0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.600
<v Speaker 2>sign on for at least X number of episodes and

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<v Speaker 2>that I would be out as soon as my contractual

0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:58.120
<v Speaker 2>obligation was up.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, no, you know, we all just I'm the.

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<v Speaker 2>Same thing saying that we were there to compete and

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<v Speaker 2>that was the deal that it was all. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>above board. You know, it's all above board. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think a showl like Master Chef would last for

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen years as a bit of a that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>show if there was all that kind of machinations going on.

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<v Speaker 3>There's just not.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, online is a funny old world. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to live there too much because it was screwed

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<v Speaker 2>with your head.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to say that you've sold magazines and you've

0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:28.240
<v Speaker 1>brought people to the Daily Mail just your face being there.

0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:30.879
<v Speaker 1>You know people are going to buy into that. You

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<v Speaker 1>know you've been helping them sell those publications for years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, can I tell you if you go to some

0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:40.040
<v Speaker 2>of those articles, all you'll see is a hastily snapped

0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.840
<v Speaker 2>paparazzi photo and an article that describes your outfit four

0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:47.959
<v Speaker 2>different ways. There is absolutely no substance to it. And

0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:51.800
<v Speaker 2>what I've learned about magazines is that they can make

0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:54.840
<v Speaker 2>stuff up from the ground up, and unless you have

0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:57.479
<v Speaker 2>a massive money behind you, you can't do a dam

0:22:57.560 --> 0:22:59.240
<v Speaker 2>thing about it so they can put on the front

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<v Speaker 2>edge of the paper my marriage is on the rocks

0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.600
<v Speaker 2>and ride an article about it. And there's nothing I

0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:07.560
<v Speaker 2>can do about it without suing them. And I don't

0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:10.760
<v Speaker 2>have the resources behind me to take on those big publications.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've just I've just got to hope that the

0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:15.639
<v Speaker 2>people who know me know better and the people that

0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:19.280
<v Speaker 2>don't know me don't matter, and just get on with malash.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, have a sense of humor about it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like what I always say to people, you know, if

0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:24.639
<v Speaker 1>you take it too seriously to ruin your life. So

0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:27.560
<v Speaker 1>you just got to laugh it off. Talking about your

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<v Speaker 1>final episode making it to top five. You know you

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<v Speaker 1>picked the dessert. Did that spell doom for you? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you think it would have been different had you

0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:39.240
<v Speaker 1>picked something else? In that kind of lottery of associating

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<v Speaker 1>what people were doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have in the scheme of things, I would

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<v Speaker 2>have picked assert as my fourth preference out of four choices.

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<v Speaker 3>But no, I didn't actually think, well that's the end

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<v Speaker 3>of me.

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<v Speaker 2>The longer I thought about it, I actually thought whiskey

0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:59.040
<v Speaker 2>lends itself to desserts, probably more easily than it lends

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<v Speaker 2>itself to vegetable.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, at the end of the day, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's the same all through the competition.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you have things thrown at you that I saw,

0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:11.359
<v Speaker 2>ingredients I've never even heard of before. But at the

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:13.680
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, it's just a bunch of ingredients

0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:16.280
<v Speaker 2>that get turned into something that you eat. That's how

0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:18.320
<v Speaker 2>I chose to look at it. It'll have a taste,

0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:22.240
<v Speaker 2>it'll have a behavior, it'll have a texture. How does

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<v Speaker 2>that work with the other things here that.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to work with?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's just kind of how you've got to think

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<v Speaker 2>on that show because some of that stuff I've honestly

0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:35.480
<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of sheer koji, I've never cooked rainbow cray.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>There are also a couple of times where you had

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<v Speaker 1>to recook throughout the competition, you know, which another pressure

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:46.119
<v Speaker 1>tests you had time to do. Was that kind of

0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 1>a clue that one day you might not have enough

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.359
<v Speaker 1>time that that might be the reason why you would

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<v Speaker 1>be sent home?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, always, every single time I'm in one of those

0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.280
<v Speaker 2>pressure tests, whatever, I know that you've got to hit

0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:01.080
<v Speaker 2>the ground running. You cannot faff around because if something

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:02.600
<v Speaker 2>goes wrong and you have to redo it.

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 3>That is going to take you right to the wire.

0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:07.560
<v Speaker 2>So I always tried to leave myself enough time, but

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<v Speaker 2>I just didn't have enough time last night. It's one

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.760
<v Speaker 2>of those things I sort of likened to when they say,

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, you've got three hours.

0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:16.160
<v Speaker 3>To do this task.

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 2>It's like getting up at seven in the morning and

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 2>having have it done by ten. You know, three hours

0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:22.399
<v Speaker 2>sounds a long time, but it's really not.

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 3>It flies.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I wish i'd had time to redo my cakes.

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<v Speaker 2>Having said that, I actually probably my decision making was

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:37.000
<v Speaker 2>not at its peak in that moment, because I actually

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:39.120
<v Speaker 2>decided that it would be okay tocent.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, everyone's burnt a cake. Before anyone who's made

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:43.919
<v Speaker 1>a cake has burned a cake. Could you not have

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:46.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe done what we've all done at home and try

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and cut off the burnt bits, or try and shave

0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:49.640
<v Speaker 1>down off the burnt bits? I mean, did you think

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 1>about doing that? Well?

0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:51.280
<v Speaker 3>I kind of did.

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:53.639
<v Speaker 2>I cut all the edges off to make all the

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.879
<v Speaker 2>pieces uniform, and as I looked at the bottom of

0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:58.640
<v Speaker 2>the cave, even as I looked at it last night,

0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:02.160
<v Speaker 2>there was only one part that was quite dark, and

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, when I saw what the judges got,

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I think I think they got the only.

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:11.359
<v Speaker 3>So that was just the way the cookie crumbled.

0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>So yes, I could have shaved the bottom of I

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:17.000
<v Speaker 2>had tasted it, and I didn't think it was necessary.

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:20.200
<v Speaker 2>But that was obviously an incorrect judgment on my part.

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:22.760
<v Speaker 2>And that's you know, that's at the end of the day.

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:22.679
<v Speaker 1>What.

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 3>Brought that to an end? You know, And that's how

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 3>our stories all end.

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.920
<v Speaker 2>It's either a massive disaster or it's a small incorrect

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 2>decision or a small poor judgment.

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:35.439
<v Speaker 3>And that's what got me yesterday was just a bit

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:36.200
<v Speaker 3>of poor judgment.

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.240
<v Speaker 1>And what's going to happen next, you know, after coming

0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:40.879
<v Speaker 1>back and doing Master Chef all over again, what do

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 1>you want to do with this next chapter of your life?

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<v Speaker 2>I think for the next chapter, I'm going to wait

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:47.399
<v Speaker 2>and see what presents itself.

0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:51.959
<v Speaker 3>It's I have no solid plan. I'm going to keep

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 3>running my.

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Cooking school, and I'm going to keep loving my granddaughter

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:58.440
<v Speaker 2>and spending as much time with her as I can.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to breathe in and out and just

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:04.479
<v Speaker 2>see what flows my way and then make decisions as

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<v Speaker 2>to what I do.

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.199
<v Speaker 1>And a lot of reality shows have placed, you know,

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>fans up against favorites these days. Do you think that

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 1>new contestants versus celebrated contestants is a good concept for

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:15.879
<v Speaker 1>Master Chef or do you think, you know, if they

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 1>do something like this again, it should just be as

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:18.640
<v Speaker 1>straight all stars.

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that there were unique difficulties in putting fans

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:27.680
<v Speaker 2>versus favorites. I think they were navigated the very best

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 2>way that they could do. And I actually said, when

0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 2>I was asked to go on it, how are you

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:35.040
<v Speaker 2>going to make this fair? Because obviously half of us

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:38.800
<v Speaker 2>have year's experience in hospitality and have do not how

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:40.320
<v Speaker 2>are you going to make it fair? And so it

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 2>was explained to me that, you know that actually they'd

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 2>be cooking against each other, and we'd be cooking against

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.879
<v Speaker 2>each other for much of it, and when we'd go

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.160
<v Speaker 2>into pressure tests, it wouldn't be it would be half

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:54.880
<v Speaker 2>and half. And you know, so I think they made

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 2>it as fair as they could possibly make it. But yeah,

0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 2>I do think it was a difficult format to bring

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:02.920
<v Speaker 2>fairness and to bring the perception of fairness as well.

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 2>So but I do think that they succeeded as much

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:09.120
<v Speaker 2>as you can in a format like that. But yeah,

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 2>I like to see back to win where it was

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:13.639
<v Speaker 2>all familiar faces, but I also love to see all

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 2>new faces, you know. I love that process of getting

0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 2>to know a new room full of people and seeing

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.959
<v Speaker 2>what they can do and watching their personalities kind of

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 2>shine as the show goes on. So whatever comes next,

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll be watching, I'll be glued to it.

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Who do you think will win at this point? Now

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, before people left, do you have any idea

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:34.400
<v Speaker 1>who you think will take it out?

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 3>Do you know what?

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 2>I think it would be incredibly foolhardy to pick a winner.

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 3>We've seen through the whole thing.

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Like we were all shocked as when Fashi went home,

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 2>and I think, to me, that's been the moment in

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 2>the competition where we all just went, oh God, anything

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 2>could happen here, Anything could happen here. So I think

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.440
<v Speaker 2>out of the four people that remain, any one of

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 2>them could take it out, and any one of them,

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>anyone who's still there at the end of the competition,

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:02.400
<v Speaker 2>has fought tooth and nail.

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 3>To be there and deserves to be there.

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'm thrilled for whoever does make it all the

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 2>way to the top.

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, as I've spoken to everyone who has come on

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>the podcast, we've all talked about you because everyone has

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>loved being there in the kitchen with you. They've loved

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 1>seeing you in there. You know, it has been the

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 1>ultimate Master Chef experience to be able to be in

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that series with you standing alongside them. So that must

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 1>be pretty amazing for you to know.

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Ah, it's beautiful, and that's just a really lovely thing

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>to hear. Thank you, And I feel so much love

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 2>and fondness for all those people, and it's really lovely

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 2>to know that they feel the same way.

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well so funny. I mean, you could go back

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>in there and be like Julie Goodman. Ah, she's a

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 1>piece of work. You don't know what she's like behind

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 1>the scenes, but everyone was the opposite. Everyone's just like, oh,

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.080
<v Speaker 1>would love her, or they want to just share what

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 1>they learned from you that we didn't see, Like do

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>you know that Julie plays an electric guitar and you

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 1>know she's got the best playlist out of anyone. You know,

0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 1>it was so beautiful to be able to hear such

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.400
<v Speaker 1>loving you know, insights into the way in which you

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>connected with everyone Oh.

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 3>That's so beautiful. Thank you.

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I've had some beautiful messages. You know, we've all stayed

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>in touch and people, you know, we've all we all

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 2>get in touch with whoever's eliminated on a particular night

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 2>and just make sure that they're surrounded by their loved

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:20.480
<v Speaker 2>ones and doing okay.

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 3>And you know, there's there's.

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Truly and honestly a sense of family amongst that group of.

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>People, which I love. The last question, Julie that ask

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 1>everyone who joins this podcast is what is something from

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes that were as an audience, did not

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 1>see something that we won't see from your experience back

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 1>on Master Chef kind of behind the scenes secret.

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh gosh, behind the scenes, we had great scenes.

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 2>There was a lot of scene, a lot of dance

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 2>and oh gosh, Alvin teaching us how to bootscoot, came

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 2>and showed us some Venezuelan dance moves. Gosh, we were

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 2>we were kind of semi writing and musical, so we

0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 2>would bust out just so some inappropriate moments. One of

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 2>my favorite behind the scenes things was I made everybody

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>a fake immunity pin. And actually in one of the eliminations,

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 2>they tried to play the fake community pin so that

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 2>never made it to end, but that was fun.

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 3>It lightened up a very brief hard moon.

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm looking forward to Master Chef for Musical, can't

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:23.760
<v Speaker 1>wait for that to come out.

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 3>It's a work in progress made, but it's going to

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 3>be hilarious.

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that there's lots of Austrains, including myself, that

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 1>would love to be there and be in your audience,

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 1>and Julie, I will forever be in your audience and

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely love watching you in anything that you do.

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 1>You have some magic that I don't even think you understand,

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>a currency that connects to us as an audience, which

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>is amazing.

0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:48.280
<v Speaker 3>So thanks, thank you for your beautiful words. I really

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 3>appreciate it.