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Speaker 1: Well a very good morning and welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: It is Friday morning. It's time for the week that

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Speaker 1: was and pleased to say joining me in the studio

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Where should I start.

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Speaker 1: We've got the Leader of the Opposition, Selena Rubo, Good

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Speaker 1: morning to.

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Speaker 3: You you wanted. Katy, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 2: For the COLP.

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Speaker 1: We've got the Minister for Lands Planning and Environment, Josh Burgoyne.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Josh, Good morning, Katie, good morning. Anyone listening

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Speaker 4: down at Alice Springs.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm sure they are and with the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: News Acting chief of Staff, I believe at the moment

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Speaker 1: Alex Tracy, good morning.

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Speaker 5: You embarrassed me. Katie, Good morning everyone yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Good to be with you as well. Great to have

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Speaker 2: you all on the show now.

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Speaker 1: It has been a massive week and I think it's

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Speaker 1: safe to say whenever Parliament sits there's always a lot

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Speaker 1: to talk about.

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Speaker 2: But with the new.

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Speaker 1: Government there's certainly a few things being ticked off the

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Speaker 1: to do list, you might say. But we kicked the

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Speaker 1: week off with a plan, the government coming forward with

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Speaker 1: a plan around correction, so as the legislative reform aimed

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Speaker 1: at reducing crime in the Northern Territory continues.

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Speaker 2: To forge ahead.

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Speaker 1: Many have been questioning where those who break the law

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Speaker 1: are going to go. With the Northern Territory's correctional facilities

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Speaker 1: already overflowing. Now the government has unveiled its plan to

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Speaker 1: deliver up to one thousand beds over the next four years.

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Speaker 1: That plan is going to increase the terret Trey's correction's

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Speaker 1: capacity to three thousand beds by twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Now there are a number.

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Speaker 1: Of different different things being rolled out, including a new

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Speaker 1: secure women's facility at the Allo Springs Youth Detention Center

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Speaker 1: providing forty eight beds, the expansion of the Alla Springs

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Speaker 1: Correctional Center with a new ninety six bed modular block,

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Speaker 1: the development of new work camps in Darwin one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty beds fifty in Catherine, construction of a new

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty bed multi classification women's prison, the

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Speaker 1: new Youth Justice boot camp, bail facilities, planning for the

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Speaker 1: expansion of between three hundred and four hundred additional men's

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Speaker 1: beds at Holts as well. So, look, there's no doubt

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Speaker 1: that we need to bolster the number of beds within

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Speaker 1: our correctional facilities. Even before you look at some of

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Speaker 1: the legislative changes, we know that Corrections is literally bursting

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Speaker 1: at the scenes. We've spoken to the Corrections Commissioner, Matthew

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Speaker 1: Valley earlier in the week and he did explain to

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Speaker 1: us really the number of extra prisoners we've got, how

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Speaker 1: many we've then got in our watchhouses, and how many

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Speaker 1: are on remand.

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Speaker 2: So no doubt it was needed.

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Speaker 1: Josh, I'm sure it's something that you know that the

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Speaker 1: colp has been wanting to get moving on.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Katie.

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Speaker 4: It's a comprehensive plan and this aims to get as

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Speaker 4: you said, those prisoners out of the watch houses. It's

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Speaker 4: not a sustainable, long term solution to have them in there.

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Speaker 4: We've put forward our plan that will address these issues.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to get straight into it. One of the

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Speaker 4: more controversial parts of it has been down in other

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Speaker 4: mean for young people that now, as a result, we've

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Speaker 4: had what's been a bail supported accommodation effectively in the

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Speaker 4: middle of our town. We want to move that out

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Speaker 4: to near the correctional facility so that we can have

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Speaker 4: bail supported accommodation and our boot camp co located.

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Speaker 1: So when young people adult bail or youth bail facility,

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Speaker 1: that's right there in.

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Speaker 4: Town, a youth bail facility right next to Piggley Wigglies

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Speaker 4: for those that know where Alice Springs is on Gap Road.

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Speaker 4: Now that facility, if a young person chose to could

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Speaker 4: right into the center of town. Yep, what has been

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Speaker 4: occurring in Darn with the bail supported accommodation which is

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Speaker 4: exactly the same facility as what we have in Ala Springs.

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Speaker 4: It's a bit further out of town, and when a

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Speaker 4: young person is choosing whether or not to stay in

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Speaker 4: people to rehabilitate them, to give them other options, and

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Speaker 4: this is a really important part. By taking those women

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Speaker 4: it will free up a number of beds. I've worked

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Speaker 4: know that again, it wasn't an ideal situation having women

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Speaker 4: that we can increase the capacity of the other Springs

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Speaker 4: prison as well as all the other things you've spoken

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Speaker 4: that will happen up in Dalen as well.

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Speaker 6: So get those prisoners out.

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Speaker 4: Of the watchhouses, give police back their watchhouses so that

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Speaker 4: they can then proactively if there are people on the

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Speaker 4: they've got somewhere to take them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the plan has not been without some controversy, Alex.

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Speaker 1: I know you've been reporting on various you know, various

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Speaker 1: political things throughout the week. It's not been without controversy,

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Speaker 5: No, it hasn't.

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Speaker 7: Look at issues of youth justice are always emotive. People

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Speaker 7: have strong opinions about it. I really think the key

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Speaker 7: period for the territory is going to be in the

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Speaker 7: next two years. You know, these types of infrastructure they

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Speaker 7: always take longer to come online then you think they will.

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Speaker 7: And with the operation of Declan's Law, what we have

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Speaker 7: is a situation where less people are being granted bail.

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Speaker 7: That's in fact the whole point. That's fair enough that's

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Speaker 7: what the mandate is. But if you suddenly have heaps

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Speaker 7: two years eighteen months will be quite dicey for us

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Speaker 7: because we are already at that critical mass of bursting at.

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Speaker 5: The scenes, juggling, I guess, juggling it.

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Speaker 7: The other sort of concern I have is, I think

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Speaker 7: need to have a conversation about the efficiency and the

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Speaker 7: capacity of our court system. Absolutely, if you're going to

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Speaker 7: be reminding all these people and the courts aren't able

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Speaker 7: to keep up with the flow of people, you get

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Speaker 7: situations where people are spending more time on remand than

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Speaker 7: they would be sentenced to. Judges don't like that, and

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Speaker 7: you know, it's not fair, not a fair part of

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Speaker 1: When you look at some of the issues we've had

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Speaker 1: where we were in a situation a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: to wind back their services, there's no doubt that there

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Speaker 2: I guess the other area where.

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Speaker 1: People have got concerns at the moment, Selena, and I

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Speaker 1: know that this was certainly discussed throughout the week as well.

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Speaker 1: Is the fact that the youth prisoners then in Alice

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Speaker 1: concerns around the fact that they then aren't going to

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Speaker 1: be able to, you know, to have that visitation that

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Speaker 1: they may have had previously. Look, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: there's you know, I don't know how people are feeling

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Speaker 2: What is your take on that situation?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Katie, that was not part of the planning process

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Speaker 8: when we were in the Labor government.

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Speaker 3: A majority of the corrections plan, as.

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Speaker 8: We spoke at earlier this week, is based on what

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Speaker 3: When we were in government in Labor.

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Speaker 2: So they're just delivering your plan.

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Speaker 8: Well, a majority of it is, Katie, Like you can look,

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Speaker 8: you know, I mean it's the same department essentially, So

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Speaker 8: it's not like we went and hand picked things just

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Speaker 8: because we'll Labor. We take the advice from those hard

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Speaker 3: The way that is fit.

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Speaker 8: So that's where those plans have come from they've come

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Speaker 8: from the Department and they've been endorsed and what we

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Speaker 8: did before the election was cost them.

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Speaker 3: But what we didn't have, Katie, was that change.

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Speaker 8: That really quite critical change and Josh has sort of

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Speaker 8: touched on a little bit but then gone on to

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Speaker 8: another tangent was around those Alice Springs youth being moved

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Speaker 8: completely removed from the Alice Springs and Central Australian community

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Speaker 8: that is, so it'd be very interested in that what

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Speaker 8: happens then with the staff. We know that Corrections will

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Speaker 8: now have to undergo a huge amount of training because

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Speaker 8: now our Corrections officers will actually be looking after and

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Speaker 8: dealing with youth justice, which was completely separated under our

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Speaker 8: Labor government and that was purely based on that Royal

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Speaker 8: commission that happened in twenty sixteen. Katie, so really interested

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Speaker 8: to see what the costings are. I understand the reasons

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Speaker 8: for it. I don't agree with that particular component. The

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Speaker 8: rest of the Corrections plan I think is very sensible

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Speaker 8: as Alex rightly points out, is some of the very

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Speaker 8: huge changes to particularly bail. We'll see more people incarcerated,

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Speaker 8: more people waiting on remand the justice system will start

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Speaker 8: years and asking those questions, and particularly about the dollars.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about some of that legislation that has changed,

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Speaker 1: and we know that overnight the frontline or the work

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I should say, the.

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Speaker 1: Legislation that is aimed at keeping our frontline workers passed

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Speaker 1: through Parliament. The Minister for Logistics and Infrastructure, Bill Yan

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Speaker 1: those assaults on police, paramedics, nurses, doctors, teachers, corrections officers,

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Speaker 1: They do not want to have a situation where this

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Speaker 1: is continuing to happen. Now, as I say, my understanding

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Speaker 1: is that that legislation passed overnight.

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Speaker 2: As I understand it, Selena, you did there was a division.

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Speaker 1: You did vote with the government, but Chancey and Duran

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Speaker 1: abstained from voting.

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Speaker 8: Is that. Okay, they weren't actually in the chamber, Katie,

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Speaker 8: there were come. Well, we actually expected the legislation to

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Speaker 8: be on Wednesdays, so normally the legislation.

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Speaker 3: Would go through in the morning.

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Speaker 8: Obviously we had GBD for people in the real world,

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Speaker 8: that's covered General Business Day and that's usually when the

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Speaker 8: Opposition and the independence go through, uh and then you're

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Speaker 8: onto the you know, basically government business again.

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Speaker 6: So they're not in the building.

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Speaker 8: I'm just answering about the timing of the legislation, Josh.

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Speaker 8: So what happened is we were ready to go at

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Speaker 8: seven on the some PM, that is on the Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: There was a National Commissioner that was in.

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Speaker 8: There's an issue that's coming to our community, to all

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Speaker 8: of our communities, that's going to be quite pertinent for

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Speaker 8: the November sittings. So one of my members was meeting

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Speaker 6: Is absolutely rubbish, kat Like labor or device. I'm just

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Speaker 6: a question question because the reality.

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Speaker 8: The other member had an emergency that they were dealing with,

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Speaker 8: because we were bleeding heart. That's based on legal chan

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Speaker 2: I think is a good thing.

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Speaker 3: We support as a legislation.

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Speaker 8: We don't really support the component, Katie, but we support

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Speaker 3: Our labor opposition supported the legislation, Katie.

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Speaker 8: Oh, we were behind that legislation. We were not behind

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Speaker 2: I've dominated that conversation there. What everyone else you want

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Speaker 6: You can't have it both the legislation or you don't.

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Speaker 5: Support the legislation.

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Speaker 3: Made the point of he made a.

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Speaker 4: Key point of me not speaking over you Ascelyn, and

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Speaker 2: It's bizarre, Alex, what do you make of it all?

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Speaker 7: Well, oh, look, I think the debate's sort of a

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Speaker 7: Less controversial, but also less consequential. I mean, this sort

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Speaker 5: Look.

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Speaker 1: I know we've had different feedback from the Association, from

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, this happens very often, and quite often those police

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Speaker 4: So that's where this is coming from. People just feel

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Speaker 8: We actually extended when Labor was in government, we extended

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Speaker 8: that we inserted into that piece of legislation to strengthen that. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: So we extended that definition for spitting.

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Speaker 8: What the CLP has done is created this mandatory sentencing

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Speaker 3: At an individual case. It takes away the discretionary powers

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Speaker 3: for them. That's now the changes and then that's what

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Speaker 1: If anyone is assaulting a frontline worker, though, shouldn't they

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Speaker 4: Absolutely they should, and this is why there needs to

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Speaker 1: Look, we're going to take a very quick break. You

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Speaker 2: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to three sixty now in some breaking

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Speaker 1: About nine forty five last night, police received reports of

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Speaker 2: I mean that sounds horrible.

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Speaker 1: An incredibly frightening situation for a woman to be in

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Speaker 8: Honest, Yeah, it is very distressing, Katie. And I know

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Speaker 3: But my thoughts with the.

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Speaker 8: Lady and any of her family, friends and support network

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Speaker 8: because I live in Catherine, that's my community and anything

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Speaker 7: Selena, you'd know living locally. But I honestly think Catherine's

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Speaker 5: The radar a little bit. I was there earlier this year.

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Speaker 7: My favorite fishing rod got nicked, had a nice whippy tip,

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Speaker 5: But I mean it was my fault. I didn't lock

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Speaker 1: It But you know, this is the thing, I suppose

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Speaker 1: you kind of like it seems things like that seem

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Speaker 2: It's party life, you know.

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Speaker 6: Just bringing it.

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Speaker 4: Back to this instant, Katie, We've had some serious violent

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Speaker 4: Four years and I've spoken to so many people who

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Speaker 1: It is woeful and Alex going back to the point

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Speaker 1: You know, we've seen different incidents, particularly at some of

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's just so much property crime, particularly in Catherine.

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Speaker 7: The amount of times that poor coffee club has been hit,

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Speaker 7: Just repeated Actually there I understand applying for a big

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Speaker 1: And this is the thing, right, this is why we

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Speaker 1: And I know there's certainly been you know, criticism of

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Speaker 2: To be quite careful.

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Speaker 1: I hope that there is not unintended consequence, but we've

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Speaker 4: Gut for absolutely. Katie will cop the criticism every day

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Speaker 8: don't dispute the work that the Colp's done, particularly of

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Speaker 8: the last fortnite around increasing punitive measures and consequences, but

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Speaker 8: we will also like to see the labor opposition is

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Speaker 8: that front end investment into alternatives to custody, so we

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Speaker 8: can really target that very unacceptable behavior in our community,

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Speaker 8: that offensive behavior, to make sure that we can really

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Speaker 8: reduce reoffending. We're happy to work with the new CLP

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Speaker 8: government on that. Alternatives to custody will make a huge

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Speaker 8: difference in the Northern Territory, especially in places like Catherine,

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Speaker 8: which is the hub of the Big Rivers region. You know,

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Speaker 8: several years ago when I held the Justice portfolio, one

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Speaker 8: quarter of all adults who are imprisoned in our Holtz

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Speaker 8: Prison came from the Big Rivers region, which is why

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Speaker 8: we underwent that work around an.

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Speaker 3: Alternative to custody.

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Speaker 8: COLP has taken that on through their new corrections plan,

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Speaker 8: So we will support that because we believe an area

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Speaker 8: like Catherine, like my hometown, the Big Rivers region, does

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Speaker 8: deserve to have those options to really focus on justice,

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Speaker 8: to have those consequences, but to really reduce offending behavior

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Speaker 8: in the future.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, those work camps, Katie will sort of go to that.

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Speaker 4: And I know there's been one Intenning Creek and wh're

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Speaker 4: they're looking at one for Catherines.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 1: Now, we know that new nuisance public drinking offense, that

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Speaker 1: new offense is going to give police powers to find,

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Speaker 1: charge and risk people in public places where alcohol is prohibited,

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Speaker 1: as well as issuing those same people a seven day

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Speaker 1: band drinker order. Now this is something that's passed as

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Speaker 1: well the new public drinking nuisance offense. We know that

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Speaker 1: Steve Edgington, the Minister for Alcohol Policy, said that the

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Speaker 1: laws are about making our public spaces and parks safer

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Speaker 1: and cleaner for everyone, and that these powers are going

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Speaker 1: to allow police to intervene earlier to ensure excuse me,

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Speaker 1: that we stop the scourge in public places where alcohol

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Speaker 1: is prohibited. Now, there are some concerns being raised by others.

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Speaker 1: I know that Mulka mla in Ya Marc Gyula took

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Speaker 1: to social media on the weekend to warn people that

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Speaker 1: they may be locked up and to head home. In

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Speaker 1: a post on social media, he said to my indigenous countrymen,

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Speaker 1: wherever you come from around the communities in the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 1: please think about going back to your communities or even

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Speaker 1: back to your homeland communities, because we're now seeing an

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Speaker 1: NTCLP government that's introducing very bad laws that will increase

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Speaker 1: system racism for our indigenous sovereign people on this land.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Josh, firstly, why do you reckon these? The

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Speaker 1: public drinking Nuisance.

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Speaker 4: Law was required, and this is something we see right

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Speaker 4: across the Northern Territory Kadian, and I know lots of

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Speaker 4: people who phoned it into you in.

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Speaker 6: Regards to it. We have groups of people that will

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Speaker 6: be out.

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Speaker 4: Drinking, and unfortunately that drinking can then turn into them

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Speaker 4: crowding a nuisance. It can then lead to domestic violence

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Speaker 4: and all the other things. So what we're essentially ensuring

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Speaker 4: here is that there are penalties in place. I want

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Speaker 4: to be really clear. The previous government always told us

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Speaker 4: that this law already exists, but there was no penalty

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Speaker 4: attached to it.

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Speaker 8: We've got the penalty in place.

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Speaker 4: We've got the penalty in place. We're ensuring now going

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Speaker 4: forward that this will in some instances interact with people

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Speaker 4: stop that d DV from occurring later on, and they

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Speaker 4: will give police the additional powers they need to interact

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Speaker 4: earlier and intervene earlier.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we kept.

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Speaker 1: Being told under the former government that the two kilometer

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Speaker 1: rule was still in place, yet there were still people

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Speaker 1: drinking within two kilometers.

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Speaker 2: Of takeaway venues. So I think that's where we reach

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Speaker 2: the point where people going, well, hang on a secon

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Speaker 2: I'm scratching my head thinking if this is an offense,

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Speaker 2: why we still got people drinking everywhere?

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Speaker 3: So there was a penalty attached, Katie.

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Speaker 8: So when you're talking about the monetary fines, which is

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Speaker 8: what the CLP is concentrated with this particular legislation, and

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Speaker 8: it's an increase, so I think it's five penalty units,

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Speaker 8: which makes it nine hundred and twenty five dollars fine.

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Speaker 8: What happens if somebody can't pay that fine, Katie? Where

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Speaker 8: are they going to go? Is the fine going to

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Speaker 8: get dropped off? Or will they end up locked up?

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Speaker 8: So that's the sort of thing we need to step out.

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Speaker 8: We haven't heard much about water problem. Drinker would then

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Speaker 8: interface with support networks from the COLP, and we're very

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Speaker 8: happy to hear that because we're talking about a health

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Speaker 8: issue that is affecting a large majority of the territory

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Speaker 8: in terms of you know, community safety, and that's a

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Speaker 8: huge concern that we were talking about a small minority

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Speaker 8: of territorians who are causing those problems and nuisances.

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Speaker 3: How do we support or.

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Speaker 8: Really target again that behavior, that education around alcohol, the

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Speaker 8: health issues that may come out with that person or

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Speaker 8: a group of people around alcohol, and not just the

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Speaker 8: monetary find that thinks are going to solve everything.

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Speaker 1: I guess what the community was saying, though, is that

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Speaker 1: they were fed up with the softly, softly approach that

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Speaker 1: they felt the government of the Labor government was taking

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Speaker 1: and they wanted to see some action because they were

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Speaker 1: seeing the impacts and the real detrimental impact I think

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Speaker 1: of people drinking publicly, not only around Darwin, but in

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Speaker 1: other parts of the Northern Territory. I know I'd spoken

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Speaker 1: to different members of the police force as well at

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Speaker 1: different times where it had gone from people sort of

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Speaker 1: drinking in a public place to then increasingly worse behavior.

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Speaker 1: And we've even seen as well, at different times, terrible,

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Speaker 1: terrible incidents of domestic violence around the streets of the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory, particularly here in Darwin. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: know you're never going to stamp all of that kind

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Speaker 1: of behavior out, but I just think some of what

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Speaker 1: has been happening on the streets has been.

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Speaker 8: Really There has been some horrible incidents and their unfortunately

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Speaker 8: continues to be.

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Speaker 3: When we're talking about alcohol.

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Speaker 8: We really do need to have that range of measures

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Speaker 8: that really reduce alcohol.

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Speaker 3: Harm in our community.

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Speaker 8: And the COLPS also said they're going to scrap the

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Speaker 8: minimum floor price unit, which they believe doesn't work. But

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Speaker 8: I've seen data, Katie, from the Independent School of Health

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Speaker 8: Menzies Research that shows that since that minimum floor price

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Speaker 8: unit was introduced to the Northern Territory, there is clear

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Speaker 8: data that shows there is a reduction in alcohol related harm,

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Speaker 8: alcohol related dvs of.

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Speaker 3: Dopmestic family sexual violence.

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Speaker 8: And there's been letters that have been written by these

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Speaker 8: health experts, by these independent researchers to the new Minister

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Speaker 8: Steve Eddington, the memph of Barkley, and to the new

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Speaker 8: CLP government. So when we're saying alcohol is affecting our

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Speaker 8: community on one hand and that we're going to do

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Speaker 8: stronger measures again consequences and penalties, but then on the

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Speaker 8: other hand saying well, actually we don't believe this, we're

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Speaker 8: going to ignore the experts and that independent research and

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Speaker 8: advice are we're going to make grow cheaper and easier

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Speaker 8: to most.

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Speaker 4: Really clear here, it was Labor who closed down the

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Speaker 4: Integrated Withdrawal and Assessment Service in Ellis Springs to deal

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Speaker 4: with problem alcoholics.

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Speaker 6: We have said loudly and.

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Speaker 3: Closed to the hospital.

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Speaker 5: It was closed down.

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Speaker 4: I have had people in that service that came to

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Speaker 4: me and said, do not believe anything that Labour are saying.

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Speaker 6: They have closed the service down.

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Speaker 4: Specialized service they have closed down.

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Speaker 6: That is what happens. And this is under the Labor government.

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Speaker 4: So we had a specialized service that they closed down

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Speaker 4: and now they're coming out saying that we.

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Speaker 6: Need these services.

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Speaker 4: We will ensure that there is our coal managery treatment

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Speaker 4: for people that have problems with our cool that are alcoholics,

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Speaker 4: and we will ensure these programs are in place. Unlike

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Speaker 4: Labor who closed down that specialized facility, the services did

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Speaker 4: not alex.

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Speaker 7: There is an issue in the territory about the I

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Speaker 7: guess the withering of capacity of AOD organizations to.

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Speaker 5: Be able to offer services.

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Speaker 7: The most recent Department of Health and Your reports showed

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Speaker 7: that there were less publicly funded AOD sessions being delivered

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Speaker 7: in the territory. You do have things like Mission Australia's

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Speaker 7: Beerrima facility closed, so there is an issue of you know,

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Speaker 7: a degrading of our capacity, which I think is a

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Speaker 7: bit concerning the headline figure of nine hundred and twenty

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Speaker 7: five dollars for this file. No one's going to get

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Speaker 7: that if you're if you're in a park boozing it

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Speaker 7: at midday, you're not going to get a nine hundred

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Speaker 7: and twenty five dollar fine. And you know that you

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Speaker 7: probably don't have What.

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Speaker 8: Happens if someone does get fine and they can't pay it.

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Speaker 8: The seal perce and talked about those that make our

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Speaker 8: community more safer.

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Speaker 4: If you're court speeding, you get a fine and there

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Speaker 4: is a turn in place, so we don't all drive

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Speaker 4: around one hundred kilometers an hour right now, we're insuring

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Speaker 4: there is a deterrent in place under the labor government terrence.

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Speaker 6: And they didn't care about you, But.

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Speaker 2: So what do you do? Selena? Just not bother.

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Speaker 8: But we're talking about cause and effects. So when a

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Speaker 8: consequences occurs, if a consequence doesn't get followed through, which

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Speaker 8: I'm asking Josh to answer, if that nine hundred and

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Speaker 8: twenty five dollars fine does not get paid.

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Speaker 3: What happens to that person? Where do they go? How

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Speaker 3: do we make sure that the community is safe? That's

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Speaker 3: what I'm waiting to hear.

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Speaker 7: Usually, what happens when you don't pay fine is the

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Speaker 7: main deterrent is is suspending drivers life?

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Speaker 1: Yes, so is that That's where I guess that band

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Speaker 1: drinker register comes in and you a range of measures.

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Speaker 6: There are a range of measures that can happen. This

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Speaker 6: is the reality. The fact that there's now a penalty

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Speaker 6: penalty in place means.

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Speaker 3: That we can It was always a penalty.

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Speaker 6: What was a penalty under you sixty we could do

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Speaker 6: was tip out alcohol. That's what they could do. Very

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Speaker 6: late change that.

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Speaker 8: Actually we asked the Department before we debated this legislation

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Speaker 8: because I only got twenty four hours to get my

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Speaker 8: research done.

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Speaker 2: Look, we are going to have to take a very

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Speaker 2: short break.

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Speaker 1: There's no shortage of things to talk about this morning,

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Speaker 1: but when we come back, we are going to be

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Speaker 1: talking about the budget. You're listening to Mix one oh

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Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty. It is the week that was well.

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Speaker 1: If you have just joined us this morning in the

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Speaker 1: studio with us from the Northern Territory News, We've got

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Speaker 1: Alex Tracy, We've got Josh Burgoyne for the COLP and for.

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Speaker 2: The Labor Party, Selena Rubo.

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Speaker 1: Now we know that on Monday next week, the under

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Speaker 1: Treasurer is set to open the books for territorians, hosting

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Speaker 1: an open event for people to attend and understand the

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Speaker 1: state of the Northern Territories budget. It's quite an unprecedented

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Speaker 1: step from what I can gather. I know the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory News then today reporting that the budget remains a

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Speaker 1: sea of read ink despite a marginally better financial outcome

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Speaker 1: than forecast. So it's probably going to be quite an

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Speaker 1: interesting look, it's safe to say, come Monday morning. In

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Speaker 1: the twelve months to June twenty twenty three, increase by

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Speaker 1: almost a billion dollars eighteen months since the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: three twenty four budget was delivered by the Treasurer Evil Lawler.

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Speaker 1: The Territory economy ended the financial year are whopping nine

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Speaker 1: point zero one eight billion dollars in debt with six

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight million dollar fiscal deficet. However you

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Speaker 1: look at it, we are certainly struggling when it comes

668
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Speaker 1: to the budget.

669
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Speaker 2: Look. I think it's going to be interesting come bun Day.

670
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Speaker 1: To have a closer look, for people to have a

671
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: closer look, for Territorians to have a closer look at

672
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: how it is all sort of tracking along. I think

673
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: it's a smart move politically from the COLP, particularly given

674
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Speaker 1: the fact that you know that Labour's literally only been

675
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Speaker 1: empower a month two months ago.

676
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Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see what happens uspis Alex.

677
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and look, number one, you know what a great

678
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 7: program or thing to do. You know, I think people

679
00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 7: are really drawn to that sort of government transparency. The

680
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 7: other thing tonight, it's pretty well endemic across the OE

681
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 7: c D that not not many governments at all are

682
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 7: finding a way to pay down debt and prevent that

683
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 7: expansion of public sector borrowing. So it's certainly not a

684
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 7: problem that's unique to the NT, and we're certainly not

685
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 7: as far on the road as as as a jurisdiction

686
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 7: like Victoria, they've got incredible amounts of public sector debt.

687
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 7: We carried an editorial in the NT News today that

688
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 7: you know, you can you can find efficiencies at which

689
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 7: the c LP say that they're doing. But at the

690
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 7: end of the day, the only thing that's that's really

691
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 7: going to reverse this is economic growth and and seeing

692
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 7: those those big projects you know, such as Middle Arm

693
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 7: you know, Beaterloo and Barossa, that sort of thing. You know,

694
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Speaker 7: you need more tax payers, you need more of those

695
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 7: extractive industries. That's really what's going to fix us here.

696
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: And we need the population to grow again. You know,

697
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Speaker 1: that's something that's really important.

698
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 6: Absolutely, Katie.

699
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Speaker 4: And when we look at what we're going to be

700
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 4: doing over the next four years, it's getting back to

701
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 4: our strengths, ensuring that our mining, gas, tourism, agriculture and

702
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: defense are supported, making sure that we get on with

703
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 4: this business of growing the pie.

704
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 6: We keep talking about this.

705
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 4: We need to grow our economy, grow our own source

706
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 4: revenue when it comes to these industries, because we know

707
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 4: that's how we will get on top of all.

708
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 6: This moving forward.

709
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 4: And we've already been working away ensuring that we can

710
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 4: find efficiencies. As we keep talking about. The Treasure was

711
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 4: very open this week in question time. He raised a

712
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: number of issues that obviously, yeah, are going to be

713
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 4: that are going to cost the territory money. But again,

714
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 4: if we can ensure that we have people coming to

715
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 4: the territory, if we can make sure that we can

716
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 4: get on with this gas industry that is going to

717
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 4: bring a lot of people the territory, that is going

718
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 4: to bring royalties to the territories, so that we can

719
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 4: continue to enjoy you know, all the things that we

720
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 4: love our territory, lifestyle here, have health professionals, have police.

721
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Speaker 4: That's what this is all about. It's about continuing to

722
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 4: grow that economy into the future and get on top

723
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 4: of this debt because if we don't, it's going to

724
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 4: be a real issue.

725
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Speaker 6: Movie.

726
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Speaker 2: It is always easier said than done.

727
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Speaker 1: But I guess under the former government, Selena, a lot

728
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: of people felt like the Labor Party was spending money

729
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: like the applying monopoly Katie.

730
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Speaker 8: We did have those pressures and as Alex said, not

731
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 8: unique to the territory. But we're only going to be

732
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 8: focusing on the territory of course, because that's all we

733
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 8: all live.

734
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: And love this place here.

735
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Speaker 8: When it comes to some of that huge debt that

736
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 8: we you know, and we take responsibility.

737
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 3: For that, we do have the.

738
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Speaker 8: Processes of and you know, the Treasurer sort of talked

739
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 8: about it in the Parliament this week but kind of

740
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 8: ignored or the eight years of work that we did

741
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 8: under Labor was around that public investment. So we set

742
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 8: a steady platform I think it was two point three

743
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 8: billion dollars worth of works to be then creating opportunity

744
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 8: for steady growth in the territory, but particularly in the

745
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 8: region's Katie, because we recognize those areas that Josh talked about.

746
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: He's saying they weren't supported, but they were supported.

747
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 8: Look at my electure, the electorate to Arnam and I've

748
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 8: got Tyndall Raft based, Katie. There are billions of dollars

749
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 8: of defense work happening and it's not that labor didn't

750
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 8: support it. This all goes into our economy. They're looking

751
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 8: at territory businesses that are contracted, small, medium and large

752
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 8: through the works there in my electorate and a huge

753
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 8: project for the Northern Territory. It means continuing on that

754
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 8: steady platform, we're not going to see the new CLP

755
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 8: government cut their way out of eleven billion dollars worth

756
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 8: of debt. We're not going able to see that. And

757
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 8: they've also added those commitments which they went very publicly

758
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 8: to the territory and election around that. So how are

759
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 8: they going to pay for that? They've also going to be,

760
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 8: you know, they want to say that they're going to

761
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 8: be really stringent money makers. They've also created six new

762
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 8: departments and I had a CLP supporter in Catherine's come

763
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 8: up and say, oh, that's very labor of the CLP

764
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 8: to do that, to expand the public service straight away.

765
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Speaker 8: So again, all of those costs, what's it going to mean,

766
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 8: how it's going to be paid for? And you know,

767
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 8: are we going to be robbing Peter to pay Paul.

768
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Speaker 8: We just don't have the visibility of that at this point.

769
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Speaker 1: Billion described it on the show earlier in the week

770
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Speaker 1: as being given a hand grenade. I'd describe it as

771
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: a hospital pass what the Labor Party has has given,

772
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, passed over to the CLP in the sense

773
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: that and please correct me if I've got this figure wrong.

774
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: But yesterday I was understand it. In question time as well,

775
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: it was revealed that I believe the Health Department had

776
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: run over budget two hundred and eighty million dollars in

777
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Speaker 1: the last one.

778
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Speaker 3: I was announced in the in the budget earlier this year.

779
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Speaker 2: Case a massive amount of money and I understand.

780
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: A huge pressures and health and we still continue to

781
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Speaker 1: see the CLP care if there's huge there is that

782
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: huge pressure and.

783
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 8: We know that a lot of that comes from the

784
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 8: cost of staff, our hard working nurses, and unfortunately in

785
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 8: the territory we're having to rely on what we call agency.

786
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: So that's how Saucage position about that plenty of times.

787
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 8: Sure, And so the piece of work that we worked

788
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 8: on in government was really around how do we attract

789
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 8: those nurses who are on those agency contracts back into

790
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 8: the public service, creating opportunities for flexibility and to be

791
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 8: able to have those options of what they get as

792
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 8: an agency nurse. To then reduce the cost on that.

793
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 8: We don't want to see the health services cut. You

794
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 8: can't cut nurses, you can't cut doctors. We're going to

795
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 8: be seeing lives in jeopardy if health is tinkered with.

796
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 6: We need to grow our own cadien. And this is

797
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 6: really comes back.

798
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 4: And I know people get sick and time ers talking

799
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 4: about crime, but it does especially you know, we've seen

800
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 4: across the territory health professionals aren't necessarily wanting to move here.

801
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 4: So what we're doing is we're paying them to come

802
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 4: up all these short term contracts. We see it so

803
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 4: often in our springs, getting in contract.

804
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: Work happening around them.

805
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 6: This costs so much money.

806
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 4: So we want to ensure that we can grow our

807
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 4: own here in the territory, get people here, train them up,

808
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 4: ensure that they love what we all love about living

809
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 4: here and keep them here long term. That's how we'll

810
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 4: end up getting some of this control so that we're

811
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 4: not just constantly paying people to fly in, provide their

812
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 4: services and take their money home.

813
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: And look some of the Some level of detail was

814
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: also provided throughout the week by the Treasurer in relation

815
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: to some of the costs and the spending that we

816
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: did see under the former government.

817
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: I know that people have been.

818
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: Pretty riled up about the fact that the cost has

819
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: been revealed on the so called wear and tear at

820
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: Howard Springs after it was used to house flood evacuees

821
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: last year. Twelve point seven million dollars of taxpayers money

822
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: was spent on operating the facility for a two month

823
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: period in March and April. Now, the cleaning and repair

824
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: bill was one point three million dollars. That includes four

825
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty nine thousand dollars to replace windows, two

826
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy seven thousand dollars for handyman services, one

827
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy four thousand dollars on plumbing, and eighty

828
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: nine grand on mattresses. I mean, Selena, I know that

829
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: the former Chief Minister had said.

830
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: That it was wear and tear. Would you describe it

831
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: as wear and tear?

832
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 8: Well, the damage obviously is unacceptable. What happened in that circumstance,

833
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 8: Kadian or unfortunately there is that high bill that and

834
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 8: that's unacceptable. Of course, the operating cost is the operating cost.

835
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 8: That's what it costs to unfortunately look after territorians who

836
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 8: were severely impacted and temporary homework for the operating costs,

837
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 8: and that's what I'd like to make sure that's separated.

838
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 8: So I do appreciate that you read that separately, because

839
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 8: I don't want territory listeners to be misled and thinking

840
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 8: that the costs were twelve minut dollars, so that was

841
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 8: the operating cost. The damage is absolutely unacceptable what happened. Obviously,

842
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 8: the cleaning cost is a little bit separate, because that's

843
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 8: what happens when you've got hundreds of people in a

844
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 8: small quarters for a short, temporary period of time, and

845
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 8: you know there is a separation. There is the operational

846
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 8: and then there is the unacceptable behavior that then created

847
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 8: damage to that facility.

848
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's a really good point, Seleni. You

849
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 7: separate the operating cost is the operating costs. You don't

850
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 7: want to begrudge people for living where they live. That's

851
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 7: just where they live.

852
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 5: That's where they happened.

853
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 2: So I evacuated it.

854
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 7: You know, we're not telling people.

855
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 5: We're not telling people in lis More the issues.

856
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 4: The issue for most people here was the fact that

857
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 4: we had two former chief ministers. You know, just say

858
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 4: this is just wear and tear, nothing to worry about.

859
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 4: We've then got the damage bill here over one million

860
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 4: dollars in damages. Obviously, as everyone has said, that's unacceptable,

861
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 4: but the fact that it was you know, I tried

862
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 4: to be swept under the car, but that's just unacceptable.

863
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 4: I think Territorians have obviously had their say in regards

864
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 4: to this facility.

865
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Speaker 1: It's deserve better in terms of wanting the truth, right,

866
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: like we want our politicians to be honest and open

867
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: and transparent, and you know, like there is there's going

868
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: to be things happen from time to time that nobody

869
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: agrees with. But if you try and hide that, if

870
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: you try and play it down, that's when Territorians call

871
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: you bullshit and they say, no, that's not okay.

872
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: I'm not satisfied with that.

873
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: And I think that's a less and for every politician

874
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: that's entered Parliament House, you know, under this this next term.

875
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 8: That's that's a very fair point, Katie, and I do

876
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 8: want to say about the facility.

877
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: It was extremely well run.

878
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 8: We had government agency as well as non government organizations

879
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 8: working together to support those Territorians in a very you know,

880
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 8: hard and traumatic part of their lives. And it was

881
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 8: such an amazing operation.

882
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: First time that.

883
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 8: Facility was used, and I think now the last time

884
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 8: because now Defense has the lease on that particular facility,

885
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 8: but it was the first time in using that facility,

886
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 8: managing you know, four different communities and different dynamics within

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Speaker 8: that facility. I won't talk about the family relationships, but

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Speaker 8: the way the facility we run was expertly.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to take Oh sorry, Alex, did you

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Speaker 2: want to say?

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Speaker 7: I was just going to quickly say I thought Treasurer

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Speaker 7: bill Yan made a good point recently saying, you know,

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Speaker 7: it would be helpful to have these sorts of facilities

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Speaker 7: a bit closer to where everyone is. Again, not using

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Speaker 7: the damage bill unacceptable, but going to Selena's point, very

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Speaker 7: traumatic time in people's lives. There for two months and

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Speaker 7: you know you do have a close quarters differently clan

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Speaker 7: groups who living cheek and jowl who are maybe better

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Speaker 7: off having a bit more separation. So not excusing that,

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Speaker 7: but it was a very stressful time in everyone's lives.

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Speaker 2: We're going to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: We're almost out of time. The time flies by in here.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to mix on O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: I can't let you all go this morning without having

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Speaker 1: a quick chat about the actions of Senator Lydia Thorpe.

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Speaker 1: Earlier in the week, Selena keen to get your take

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Speaker 1: considering she thought you're a white man.

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Speaker 2: A little while back.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's an interesting one with Senator Lydia Thorpe, you know, Katie,

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Speaker 8: and in all seriousness, she's a Senator of Australia. She

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Speaker 8: really has the responsibilities to make sure that she is

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Speaker 8: representing the constituency that she has been voted for. Obviously

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Speaker 8: she's changed, she went from a Greens senator to now

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Speaker 8: an independent member. But you know there was that controversy

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Speaker 8: this year then, you know, questions around the constitutional law

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Speaker 8: of could she still remain a senator if she hasn't

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Speaker 8: done her swearing in or affirmation and it is something

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Speaker 8: we take quite seriously as parliamentarians. And for me, Katie,

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Speaker 8: obviously I'm a politician or a parliamentarian here in the

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Speaker 8: Northern Territory, more so an average a woman who's in politics.

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Speaker 8: So you know, there's a huge amount of other levels

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Speaker 8: of debate and around politics when you're a person of

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Speaker 8: color and you're in politics and the way to the

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Speaker 8: world and the response around what you think about something.

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Speaker 8: Do you represent just your constituency, Are you representing your party?

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Speaker 8: Are you representing your nationality in terms of your race

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Speaker 8: and your cultural background. So I think she didn't do

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Speaker 8: the right thing in that particular setting. I understand why

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Speaker 8: she did it. I'm not disputing that in her beliefs

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Speaker 8: and her values. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 8: she's on a two hundred and thirty thousand dollar pay

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Speaker 8: salary to become to be an Australian senator. That is

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Speaker 8: a huge responsibility and you're not just representing Aboriginal people,

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Speaker 8: Abjure Victorians, You're representing everyone in your constituency and she

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Speaker 8: needs to keep that in mind.

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Speaker 6: Good boy, I hit the nail on the head.

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Speaker 4: I might not agree with everything Selena says, but I

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Speaker 4: respect the position, the fact that she's been elected like

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Speaker 4: everyone else in Parliament. So for a senator to then

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Speaker 4: go after the king, whether or not you agree with everything,

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Speaker 4: you respect the position, and I think that's what's really

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Speaker 4: frustrated me. You stand up there, swear allegiance and you

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Speaker 4: take the pay salary, but then you come out and

944
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Speaker 4: you have a crack, and it's like, well, hang on.

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Speaker 4: You either want to be a part of the system,

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Speaker 4: an attempt to make change from within, or you buger

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Speaker 4: off and you go and stand with everyone else on

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Speaker 4: the street waving placards. I mean, at the end of

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Speaker 4: the day, it is I don't care what anyone says.

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Speaker 4: I used to be a sparking work on forty degree roofs.

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Speaker 4: You come and you become a politician and everyone has

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Speaker 4: got an opinion about you. I've been chased down the street.

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Speaker 4: I've been with my family on a Sunday buying graceries

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Speaker 4: and had people get stuck into me.

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Speaker 6: And I tell you what, you take it all the

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Speaker 6: good with the bad.

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Speaker 4: So at the end of the day, for what she

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Speaker 4: did in the Australian Parliament.

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Speaker 6: To go after the king like that was wrong. Whether

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Speaker 6: you agree or not.

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Speaker 4: And it's just like have a bit of respect for

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Speaker 4: the positions because you've got to where you are as

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Speaker 4: a result of that system.

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Speaker 2: It was interesting, wasn't it. Alex?

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Speaker 7: Just two quick points I'd like to add. Number one,

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Speaker 7: I think if you're an if you're elected on a

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Speaker 7: party ticket and then you resign that membership, you go

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Speaker 7: and sit as an independent, I really think you should

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Speaker 7: have to seek another mandate. She's only in there because

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Speaker 7: she was aligned with the Greens. You know senators in

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Speaker 7: Australia they get no votes below the line, so that's

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Speaker 7: why she's there. You should seek another mandate, I think.

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Speaker 7: And number two, whether it was right or wrong, it

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Speaker 7: was certainly very successful in terms of her goals, getting

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Speaker 7: international BBC, CNN coverage, putting Aboriginal Australian rights on the agenda.

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Speaker 7: She achieved her goal. Whether you agree with it or not,

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Speaker 7: it was it was strategically quite bold.

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Speaker 1: I suppose it's look, I think it's an interesting way

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Speaker 1: that some people are choosing to enter politics in Australia

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Speaker 1: at the moment, not so much as politicians and trying

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Speaker 1: to enact change from within, but in there to agitate

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Speaker 1: is what it comes across to me, and I could

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Speaker 1: be wrong, but I feel as though, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: her whole aim is to be an agitator, and I

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Speaker 1: think that you know, all of us can stand out

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Speaker 1: there and complain and bitch about everything and agitate about everything,

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Speaker 1: but at some point you've got to step up and

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Speaker 1: you've got to go, all right, how am I actually

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Speaker 1: going to enforce change? And is agitating and shitster and

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Speaker 1: going to do it?

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Speaker 2: Well? Not always?

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Speaker 8: You know, that's a great point, Katie, because there is

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Speaker 8: a difference between disruption, So it means that something stops,

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Speaker 8: it holts, but then it goes back to normal. So

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Speaker 8: when you really want something to change, it has to

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Speaker 8: be transformation and change making.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the difference.

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Speaker 8: Agitation and disruption means that after you go or whatever

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Speaker 8: then is removed, everything goes back to the status quo.

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Speaker 8: And if we're really in these jobs to make change

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Speaker 8: and transformation, that's what we need to focus on.

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Speaker 3: And that's what my focus is.

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Speaker 6: It's about working with people.

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Speaker 4: And the fact that she's left a party she was with,

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Speaker 4: so she now even has less influence, less ability to

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Speaker 4: change what's going to be happening going forward. It just

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Speaker 4: shows that if you can't work with the people that

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Speaker 4: got you into where you are, well them, what are

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Speaker 4: you doing? I mean, this is the whole thing. Politics

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Speaker 4: is about compromise, it's about working with people to get.

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Speaker 3: The good outcat to get the good outcomes.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right. Look, just frustrating to see this sort

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Speaker 4: of happening. And as Alex said, we're all talking about it,

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Speaker 4: so she's achieved what she wanted.

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Speaker 1: Alex Tracy from the Northern Territory and News. Lovely to

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Speaker 1: have you in the studio.

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Speaker 2: Thanks mate, thanks.

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Speaker 5: For having me. Thanks to all your listeners as well.

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Speaker 1: Joshua Burgoyne, thank you for joining us from Alice Springs,

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Speaker 1: the Minister for I'm still getting my head around everyone's portfolios, lands,

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Speaker 1: Planning and Environment.

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Speaker 2: Lovely to have you in the studio.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Katie, really appreciate you having us.

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Speaker 1: Selena Rubo, the Opposition leader and Opposition spokesperson for various portfolio,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for you.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, Katie, and a big happy World Teachers Day

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Speaker 8: to all of our educated World Teachers Day today.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,