1 00:00:04,071 --> 00:00:08,591 Speaker 1: Black cast unite our voices when I was younger, when 2 00:00:08,631 --> 00:00:10,791 Speaker 1: I was little growing up, I never really thought about 3 00:00:10,831 --> 00:00:12,951 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. I only just knew what I knew. 4 00:00:12,951 --> 00:00:14,951 Speaker 1: We were living in Housing Commission and I thought that 5 00:00:15,111 --> 00:00:17,151 Speaker 1: was it. But then when I moved, you know, to 6 00:00:17,271 --> 00:00:19,591 Speaker 1: Canberra to study, and you know, I was in my 7 00:00:19,871 --> 00:00:23,151 Speaker 1: sort of late teen's, early twenties, then I started to realize. 8 00:00:23,231 --> 00:00:25,591 Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, I want to buy my own home. 9 00:00:25,671 --> 00:00:27,031 Speaker 1: And eventually I did. 10 00:00:27,231 --> 00:00:27,431 Speaker 2: Well. 11 00:00:27,471 --> 00:00:31,151 Speaker 1: I did with Lawhana's dad when we were together, so 12 00:00:31,231 --> 00:00:34,071 Speaker 1: we were able to, you know, together working really hard, 13 00:00:34,311 --> 00:00:36,431 Speaker 1: you know, we were able to buy our own home 14 00:00:36,511 --> 00:00:39,231 Speaker 1: in Canberra and then you know, we sort of went 15 00:00:39,311 --> 00:00:42,871 Speaker 1: on from there. That created security for our little family. 16 00:00:45,511 --> 00:00:49,631 Speaker 3: Today, I'm joined by mother and daughter, Karla and Lawana Grant, 17 00:00:49,831 --> 00:00:54,671 Speaker 3: two strong First Nations women whose journeys reflect legacy, leadership, 18 00:00:54,751 --> 00:00:58,111 Speaker 3: and the power of stories to pass down through generations. 19 00:00:58,391 --> 00:01:02,671 Speaker 3: Carla has paved a path in journalism and storytelling for decades, 20 00:01:02,831 --> 00:01:05,671 Speaker 3: well Lawana can tinues to carve her own way, grounded 21 00:01:05,711 --> 00:01:10,231 Speaker 3: in culture, identity, and community. Together, they represent what it 22 00:01:10,271 --> 00:01:13,791 Speaker 3: means to carry knowledge forward while shaping something new. Carla 23 00:01:13,871 --> 00:01:15,831 Speaker 3: and Lauana welcome to the podcast. 24 00:01:16,151 --> 00:01:18,191 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It's great to be here. 25 00:01:18,271 --> 00:01:21,031 Speaker 3: Do you want to do a quick introduction to our listeners. 26 00:01:21,471 --> 00:01:22,671 Speaker 3: Who is Carla Grant? 27 00:01:22,871 --> 00:01:26,311 Speaker 1: Yes, well, I'm Carla Grant. I'm a proud Western arrent 28 00:01:26,391 --> 00:01:30,071 Speaker 1: A woman. I was born and raised in Adelaide. Yeah, 29 00:01:30,151 --> 00:01:33,191 Speaker 1: and you know, moved over east, lived in Canberra for 30 00:01:33,191 --> 00:01:35,311 Speaker 1: a while, worked in the public service, got into the 31 00:01:35,351 --> 00:01:38,751 Speaker 1: media there. They moved to Sydney and you know, now 32 00:01:38,791 --> 00:01:42,751 Speaker 1: working at SBS doing my program Living Black. It's been 33 00:01:42,791 --> 00:01:46,471 Speaker 1: going for twenty three years now, so yeah, really proud 34 00:01:46,471 --> 00:01:47,391 Speaker 1: of that too. 35 00:01:47,471 --> 00:01:50,551 Speaker 3: Dadelaide. For those that don't know Carla, you'd be following 36 00:01:50,631 --> 00:01:53,471 Speaker 3: Living Black Jump online, have a go our show notes 37 00:01:53,871 --> 00:01:54,671 Speaker 3: and Lawana. 38 00:01:55,471 --> 00:02:00,151 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm Lawana Grant, Carla's daughter stands my dad. I'm 39 00:02:00,231 --> 00:02:04,391 Speaker 2: a proud Rougerie and Western Oreno woman. I am also 40 00:02:04,431 --> 00:02:08,631 Speaker 2: the host of Access Granted. So hopefully everyone's been following 41 00:02:08,671 --> 00:02:12,031 Speaker 2: along with the episodes and really grateful to be part 42 00:02:12,071 --> 00:02:15,511 Speaker 2: of the Black Cast family. And I've also worked at 43 00:02:15,631 --> 00:02:19,111 Speaker 2: NITV and SBS for ten years and i host an 44 00:02:19,151 --> 00:02:19,991 Speaker 2: ITV radio. 45 00:02:20,791 --> 00:02:24,751 Speaker 3: Yeah, two deadly black women in the room. It just 46 00:02:24,791 --> 00:02:28,671 Speaker 3: fits the Black Magic Woman and I love changing things up. 47 00:02:28,711 --> 00:02:31,471 Speaker 3: I really want to try and kind of go a 48 00:02:31,511 --> 00:02:34,751 Speaker 3: little bit deeper with people after five years of kind 49 00:02:34,791 --> 00:02:39,791 Speaker 3: of figuring out this podcasting space. People love hearing stories, 50 00:02:40,111 --> 00:02:44,831 Speaker 3: and sometimes I feel like we don't. We don't big 51 00:02:44,831 --> 00:02:48,711 Speaker 3: note ourselves enough, especially as Aboriginal women or within an 52 00:02:48,711 --> 00:02:52,991 Speaker 3: Abriginal within Aboriginal culture. So so why don't we pull 53 00:02:53,031 --> 00:02:56,151 Speaker 3: out these cards and see where this yarn takes us? 54 00:02:57,071 --> 00:02:58,991 Speaker 3: So are you ready, Carla, I'm gonna. 55 00:02:58,751 --> 00:03:01,911 Speaker 1: Go getting scared now, I'm going to go with you. 56 00:03:02,991 --> 00:03:06,591 Speaker 3: What's a common misconception people have about you? And how 57 00:03:06,631 --> 00:03:07,711 Speaker 3: does it make you feel. 58 00:03:08,311 --> 00:03:12,511 Speaker 1: I think that people think I'm shy because probably because 59 00:03:12,871 --> 00:03:15,511 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times I don't. I don't. 60 00:03:16,511 --> 00:03:19,031 Speaker 1: Maybe I don't talk a lot as much as other people, 61 00:03:19,071 --> 00:03:21,631 Speaker 1: but that's because I'm listening. And that's what I was 62 00:03:21,711 --> 00:03:24,951 Speaker 1: taught when I was a young girl growing up by 63 00:03:25,151 --> 00:03:27,751 Speaker 1: you know, with my elders, with my grandpa, with my mum. 64 00:03:28,951 --> 00:03:31,671 Speaker 1: My manner, they always told me, you know, you sit 65 00:03:31,791 --> 00:03:35,791 Speaker 1: and you listen and you learn, and so that's that's 66 00:03:35,831 --> 00:03:38,791 Speaker 1: probably a misconception because I sit and I listen, and 67 00:03:38,831 --> 00:03:41,151 Speaker 1: I listen to people. You know, I listen to what 68 00:03:41,191 --> 00:03:43,511 Speaker 1: they have to say, and then they probably think, oh, 69 00:03:43,751 --> 00:03:46,751 Speaker 1: maybe she hasn't got anything to say, or maybe she's 70 00:03:46,791 --> 00:03:49,311 Speaker 1: too shy to say something or to speak up. But 71 00:03:49,431 --> 00:03:51,871 Speaker 1: it's that's not the case at all, because I'm living. 72 00:03:51,991 --> 00:03:55,591 Speaker 1: But it's all serving watching, yeah, reading the room, yeah, 73 00:03:55,671 --> 00:03:57,271 Speaker 1: and then observant and being. 74 00:03:57,151 --> 00:04:03,471 Speaker 3: Observed, knowing, like knowing your place, sometimes exactly when to contribute. 75 00:04:03,991 --> 00:04:06,511 Speaker 3: So I love this, That's right. So don't assume that 76 00:04:06,631 --> 00:04:09,151 Speaker 3: people that are sitting there and not saying anything. 77 00:04:09,471 --> 00:04:12,431 Speaker 1: I haven't got anything to contribute, or are not paying 78 00:04:12,471 --> 00:04:15,351 Speaker 1: attention shaying attention. That's not the case at all, with 79 00:04:15,951 --> 00:04:19,511 Speaker 1: very much listening and learning and being observant. 80 00:04:19,111 --> 00:04:23,711 Speaker 3: Lewana, When do you feel the most emotionally connected to yourself? 81 00:04:24,311 --> 00:04:25,071 Speaker 3: We're a getting deep. 82 00:04:25,391 --> 00:04:25,591 Speaker 1: I know. 83 00:04:28,711 --> 00:04:33,031 Speaker 2: I think I feel most emotionally connected to myself when 84 00:04:33,391 --> 00:04:38,071 Speaker 2: I'm back on country at Mi Nut and Pops, because 85 00:04:38,311 --> 00:04:41,271 Speaker 2: I feel like that's the place that I can just 86 00:04:41,351 --> 00:04:44,711 Speaker 2: be fully myself. I don't have to keep up with, 87 00:04:44,951 --> 00:04:48,271 Speaker 2: you know, what's going on in the city, or try 88 00:04:48,351 --> 00:04:50,751 Speaker 2: to be like other people like I can just be 89 00:04:50,791 --> 00:04:55,951 Speaker 2: authentically myself. And my grandparents and my family love me 90 00:04:56,031 --> 00:04:58,551 Speaker 2: for the way that I am and they've always taught 91 00:04:58,591 --> 00:05:03,071 Speaker 2: me to be myself because you know, there's no one 92 00:05:03,071 --> 00:05:05,031 Speaker 2: else like in the world, and they love me for 93 00:05:05,071 --> 00:05:08,591 Speaker 2: who I am. Sometimes I think in the city you 94 00:05:08,671 --> 00:05:12,111 Speaker 2: can get so caught up in I guess, like trends 95 00:05:12,271 --> 00:05:14,511 Speaker 2: or trying to keep up with, you know, the latest 96 00:05:14,551 --> 00:05:17,271 Speaker 2: fashion or whatever it might be. But I feel like, 97 00:05:17,511 --> 00:05:21,151 Speaker 2: of course I love you know, fashion, makeup, getting dressed up. 98 00:05:21,151 --> 00:05:22,791 Speaker 2: But I think when I'm at my nanopops, I'm in 99 00:05:22,831 --> 00:05:26,351 Speaker 2: the country, I can really just breathe. I can just 100 00:05:26,431 --> 00:05:29,671 Speaker 2: be my authentic self, and I feel the most grounded 101 00:05:29,871 --> 00:05:31,431 Speaker 2: when I'm back there. 102 00:05:35,111 --> 00:05:39,031 Speaker 3: Karla, was there a moment where you realized you weren't 103 00:05:39,071 --> 00:05:42,711 Speaker 3: just building a career, you're building something your daughter would 104 00:05:42,751 --> 00:05:43,911 Speaker 3: witness and carry forward. 105 00:05:44,191 --> 00:05:46,871 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't look at it as a career. It's 106 00:05:46,951 --> 00:05:51,471 Speaker 1: my life. It's what I do. It's yeah, it's very 107 00:05:51,551 --> 00:05:54,831 Speaker 1: much a part of, you know, my everyday life. And 108 00:05:55,111 --> 00:05:59,191 Speaker 1: I think, you know, when Loana was younger, and and 109 00:05:59,391 --> 00:06:02,591 Speaker 1: her brothers as well, my two sons, and. 110 00:06:02,551 --> 00:06:03,231 Speaker 3: I don't forget that. 111 00:06:03,351 --> 00:06:06,791 Speaker 4: Yeah, they always get a look in. 112 00:06:07,951 --> 00:06:09,831 Speaker 3: They're just not out of their Instagram. 113 00:06:10,751 --> 00:06:13,151 Speaker 1: They're out there, but yeah, not as much, I guess 114 00:06:13,471 --> 00:06:16,031 Speaker 1: but yeah, I guess I started to think, Yeah, when 115 00:06:16,031 --> 00:06:19,231 Speaker 1: they were little, you know, this is you know, I'm 116 00:06:19,391 --> 00:06:22,591 Speaker 1: going to set a good example for them, and it's 117 00:06:22,711 --> 00:06:24,071 Speaker 1: you know, it's a part of my life. 118 00:06:24,311 --> 00:06:28,871 Speaker 3: And you know what a great life. Yeah, meeting all 119 00:06:28,911 --> 00:06:32,111 Speaker 3: the people you've had, Yeah, exactly privileged to meet to yarn. 120 00:06:32,351 --> 00:06:35,831 Speaker 1: I get to travel around the country, speak to so 121 00:06:35,951 --> 00:06:40,031 Speaker 1: many different people and hear about their lives and hear 122 00:06:40,071 --> 00:06:41,671 Speaker 1: what makes them tick and everything. 123 00:06:42,471 --> 00:06:46,511 Speaker 3: So pretty special. Yeah, it is, Luana. When did you 124 00:06:46,591 --> 00:06:50,231 Speaker 3: realize you were walking in your mum's footsteps but also 125 00:06:50,711 --> 00:06:52,071 Speaker 3: making your own mark. 126 00:06:51,951 --> 00:06:57,151 Speaker 2: When I started working at NATV ten years ago, I 127 00:06:57,191 --> 00:07:00,031 Speaker 2: because I never saw myself working in the industry growing up, 128 00:07:00,071 --> 00:07:02,311 Speaker 2: because I was surrounded by it with Mum and dad, 129 00:07:02,711 --> 00:07:05,071 Speaker 2: so I always saw it, you know, that was their career. 130 00:07:05,111 --> 00:07:08,351 Speaker 2: I was also very reserved. I wasn't shy, but I 131 00:07:08,471 --> 00:07:13,871 Speaker 2: was reserved, and so the thought of, you know, being 132 00:07:13,911 --> 00:07:19,071 Speaker 2: on TV or hosting a radio show just didn't really 133 00:07:19,111 --> 00:07:22,631 Speaker 2: seem to be something that I didn't know if I 134 00:07:22,631 --> 00:07:25,391 Speaker 2: would be good at, even though I loved talking when 135 00:07:25,391 --> 00:07:28,431 Speaker 2: I was around people that I was comfortable with. But 136 00:07:28,471 --> 00:07:31,711 Speaker 2: then when I started working at an ITV and I 137 00:07:31,791 --> 00:07:36,151 Speaker 2: started in like a project manager role. I started getting 138 00:07:36,151 --> 00:07:40,111 Speaker 2: more and more experience and mentorship from a lot of 139 00:07:40,111 --> 00:07:42,991 Speaker 2: people that I was working with, and I finally found 140 00:07:43,951 --> 00:07:46,991 Speaker 2: a passion for it, and it just so happened to 141 00:07:46,991 --> 00:07:49,631 Speaker 2: be what I thought I was never going to do. 142 00:07:51,271 --> 00:07:54,591 Speaker 2: So once I started doing more on camera work and 143 00:07:55,711 --> 00:07:59,631 Speaker 2: you know, doing my own radio show, I then realized, 144 00:07:59,671 --> 00:08:01,751 Speaker 2: like I am walking in my parents' footsteps and in 145 00:08:01,791 --> 00:08:05,591 Speaker 2: mum's footsteps, but I really wanted to make sure that 146 00:08:05,671 --> 00:08:09,471 Speaker 2: I was forging my own path and not I didn't 147 00:08:09,471 --> 00:08:11,831 Speaker 2: want to be compared to my parents, because I wanted 148 00:08:11,831 --> 00:08:15,551 Speaker 2: to succeed in my own right and to do things 149 00:08:15,751 --> 00:08:17,791 Speaker 2: the way that I wanted to do them. You know, 150 00:08:17,831 --> 00:08:20,111 Speaker 2: the way that I tell stories or the way that 151 00:08:20,191 --> 00:08:23,031 Speaker 2: I write articles is obviously very different to you know, 152 00:08:23,191 --> 00:08:26,671 Speaker 2: my mom or my dad. So I think once I 153 00:08:26,711 --> 00:08:31,351 Speaker 2: started getting more passionate about getting into the media industry, 154 00:08:32,191 --> 00:08:35,311 Speaker 2: I just wanted to make sure that I was forging 155 00:08:35,311 --> 00:08:39,111 Speaker 2: my own path, but also building on the legacy that 156 00:08:39,231 --> 00:08:42,071 Speaker 2: my mom had built, which was. 157 00:08:42,031 --> 00:08:44,471 Speaker 4: Really special because I look up. 158 00:08:44,391 --> 00:08:48,031 Speaker 2: To her, and you know, I want to be like her, 159 00:08:48,151 --> 00:08:51,191 Speaker 2: but I also want to be forging my own path 160 00:08:51,231 --> 00:08:54,031 Speaker 2: as well, but knowing that I'm carrying on a legacy 161 00:08:54,271 --> 00:08:54,991 Speaker 2: of course, what. 162 00:08:55,031 --> 00:08:58,311 Speaker 3: An amazing role model was in your mom to be 163 00:08:58,351 --> 00:09:01,991 Speaker 3: able to work with a look up to learn from, 164 00:09:02,191 --> 00:09:03,151 Speaker 3: get advice from. 165 00:09:03,231 --> 00:09:05,391 Speaker 2: And it's not like many people can say they work 166 00:09:05,511 --> 00:09:07,991 Speaker 2: with their mum. And at one point we're working together, 167 00:09:08,111 --> 00:09:11,431 Speaker 2: living together, going to the gym together, like doing everything together. 168 00:09:11,471 --> 00:09:12,431 Speaker 4: It was really funny. 169 00:09:12,431 --> 00:09:15,831 Speaker 2: But yeah, like being able to go into the office 170 00:09:16,151 --> 00:09:19,511 Speaker 2: and you know, work alongside my mom even though we're 171 00:09:19,511 --> 00:09:21,271 Speaker 2: both working on our own shows. 172 00:09:22,271 --> 00:09:24,911 Speaker 4: Especially when there's hard moments, if. 173 00:09:24,751 --> 00:09:27,951 Speaker 2: We have to do hard stories or report on things 174 00:09:27,951 --> 00:09:30,631 Speaker 2: that are really tough, or we've had a bit of 175 00:09:30,671 --> 00:09:34,831 Speaker 2: a rough time with you know, certain aspects of work, 176 00:09:35,391 --> 00:09:39,991 Speaker 2: we have each other to help through that and only 177 00:09:40,311 --> 00:09:43,391 Speaker 2: like we both understand what it feels like. So she'll 178 00:09:43,471 --> 00:09:46,391 Speaker 2: lean on me, or I'll lean on her. Mostly I 179 00:09:46,431 --> 00:09:47,871 Speaker 2: ask her for advice. 180 00:09:47,551 --> 00:09:50,151 Speaker 4: Because she's been in the industry longer than me. But 181 00:09:50,191 --> 00:09:53,871 Speaker 4: it's really special to have that bond with each other 182 00:09:54,511 --> 00:09:57,111 Speaker 4: that only we have good to understand. 183 00:09:57,231 --> 00:10:02,631 Speaker 3: Yeah, Mikarla, what does generational wealth mean to you beyond money? 184 00:10:03,191 --> 00:10:07,711 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's something different to you know, the non 185 00:10:07,751 --> 00:10:12,151 Speaker 1: indigenous community isn't it. I mean generational wealth for us. 186 00:10:12,231 --> 00:10:14,711 Speaker 1: I mean we didn't grow up with money, you know, 187 00:10:14,791 --> 00:10:17,831 Speaker 1: we didn't inherit heaps of money like a lot of 188 00:10:18,231 --> 00:10:21,751 Speaker 1: I'm not saying all. It's not all non Indigenous families 189 00:10:21,791 --> 00:10:25,791 Speaker 1: have money, but it's different for us. We just haven't, 190 00:10:26,311 --> 00:10:29,511 Speaker 1: you know, because of colonization and the impacts of that. 191 00:10:30,351 --> 00:10:35,471 Speaker 1: So generational wealth for us is more about you know, culture, 192 00:10:35,671 --> 00:10:42,191 Speaker 1: handing down culture, language stories. That's that's our generational wealth 193 00:10:42,191 --> 00:10:45,231 Speaker 1: that we hand down to our children and to our 194 00:10:45,271 --> 00:10:51,831 Speaker 1: grandchildren when I get those one day. So yeah, it's 195 00:10:51,871 --> 00:10:55,151 Speaker 1: really really it's a really important aspect for us to 196 00:10:55,751 --> 00:10:59,791 Speaker 1: be handing that down to you know, ensure that our 197 00:10:59,871 --> 00:11:04,431 Speaker 1: stories stay you know, are kept alive, and our languages 198 00:11:05,031 --> 00:11:08,951 Speaker 1: is kept alive. And we were always we're flourishing and 199 00:11:09,391 --> 00:11:11,151 Speaker 1: you know, we're always surviving. 200 00:11:11,991 --> 00:11:15,231 Speaker 5: We'll be right back after this short break. You're listening 201 00:11:15,311 --> 00:11:18,271 Speaker 5: to Black Magic Woman with Mondon Arabels. Let's get back 202 00:11:18,271 --> 00:11:18,751 Speaker 5: to the yard. 203 00:11:19,071 --> 00:11:22,391 Speaker 3: What advice has been passed down that still anchors you? 204 00:11:24,071 --> 00:11:27,871 Speaker 1: I guess yeah, for for me, it's been you know, 205 00:11:27,991 --> 00:11:31,271 Speaker 1: working hard. I was always taught to, you know, to 206 00:11:31,391 --> 00:11:37,631 Speaker 1: work hard and to be enthusiastic and to listen. And yeah, 207 00:11:37,711 --> 00:11:41,671 Speaker 1: so that's what my grandpa always instilled in me and 208 00:11:41,711 --> 00:11:45,671 Speaker 1: my auntie as well, to always, you know, work your 209 00:11:45,871 --> 00:11:48,391 Speaker 1: work hard and do your best, do the best that 210 00:11:48,471 --> 00:11:49,031 Speaker 1: you can do. 211 00:11:49,991 --> 00:11:52,911 Speaker 3: I've got to I think this is a really good question, Carl, 212 00:11:52,911 --> 00:11:57,311 Speaker 3: in terms of working hard, what does creating security look 213 00:11:57,471 --> 00:11:59,071 Speaker 3: like in First nation's family? 214 00:12:00,311 --> 00:12:01,911 Speaker 1: Creating security in. 215 00:12:01,951 --> 00:12:04,431 Speaker 3: First nations families? What does that look like? 216 00:12:05,711 --> 00:12:06,871 Speaker 1: That's another big question. 217 00:12:07,631 --> 00:12:11,071 Speaker 3: And it's interesting right because we're talking about a generation 218 00:12:11,391 --> 00:12:16,111 Speaker 3: ago that was still living on missions and reserves. We're 219 00:12:16,151 --> 00:12:19,271 Speaker 3: talking about one generation ago that was still being taken 220 00:12:19,551 --> 00:12:25,231 Speaker 3: under government policy and therefore, you know, not educated. Like 221 00:12:25,391 --> 00:12:27,271 Speaker 3: my mum went to grade eight. Her mum went to 222 00:12:27,311 --> 00:12:31,991 Speaker 3: grade three. So even in my family, you know, talking 223 00:12:31,991 --> 00:12:37,071 Speaker 3: about intergenerational wealth, it's a foreign topic. No one's ever 224 00:12:37,111 --> 00:12:41,231 Speaker 3: talked about, you know, having money and savings or accessing 225 00:12:41,231 --> 00:12:45,471 Speaker 3: your superannuation or being a homeowner. Yeah. 226 00:12:45,711 --> 00:12:48,351 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, fifty years ago, fifty or sixty 227 00:12:48,431 --> 00:12:52,031 Speaker 1: years ago, you know, black fellows couldn't min a home. 228 00:12:52,431 --> 00:12:56,111 Speaker 1: They just didn't have the money. Yeah, and you know, 229 00:12:56,391 --> 00:13:02,551 Speaker 1: living you clut a bank line, living in poverty, you know, 230 00:13:02,711 --> 00:13:05,191 Speaker 1: just going from week to week, and then if you know, 231 00:13:05,391 --> 00:13:09,551 Speaker 1: you've sort of like my mum was living on a pension. 232 00:13:09,791 --> 00:13:12,231 Speaker 1: She was working when we were little, but then she 233 00:13:12,231 --> 00:13:15,151 Speaker 1: had to go on a pension. We lived in housing commission, 234 00:13:16,911 --> 00:13:19,231 Speaker 1: so it was very hard. I mean, she would never 235 00:13:19,271 --> 00:13:22,831 Speaker 1: have been able to own a home, just after kids, 236 00:13:23,191 --> 00:13:26,191 Speaker 1: looking after the kids, trying to keep put food on 237 00:13:26,231 --> 00:13:30,951 Speaker 1: the table, keep the electricity on, gas on, and if. 238 00:13:30,831 --> 00:13:34,311 Speaker 3: You had a feed at least three meals a day, 239 00:13:34,871 --> 00:13:37,191 Speaker 3: then you were doing a write as a family, especially 240 00:13:37,231 --> 00:13:39,831 Speaker 3: as a black family. Yeah, Cala, did you end up 241 00:13:39,871 --> 00:13:42,591 Speaker 3: when you first started off in your career, did you 242 00:13:42,711 --> 00:13:46,071 Speaker 3: ever think of or even dream of buying a home 243 00:13:47,591 --> 00:13:50,791 Speaker 3: thinking one day that that was possible for you as 244 00:13:50,871 --> 00:13:54,191 Speaker 3: a as a young black woman working in media? 245 00:13:54,671 --> 00:14:00,351 Speaker 1: I did you know, as a young woman in my twenties. Yeah, 246 00:14:00,551 --> 00:14:02,711 Speaker 1: I think when I was younger, when I was little, 247 00:14:02,751 --> 00:14:05,151 Speaker 1: growing up, I never thought about that sort of thing. 248 00:14:05,791 --> 00:14:07,591 Speaker 1: I only just knew what I knew. We were living 249 00:14:07,631 --> 00:14:10,231 Speaker 1: in housing commission and I thought that was it. But 250 00:14:10,271 --> 00:14:13,111 Speaker 1: then when I moved, you know, to Canberra to study, 251 00:14:13,271 --> 00:14:16,151 Speaker 1: and and you know I was in my sort of 252 00:14:16,231 --> 00:14:19,351 Speaker 1: late teens early twenties, then I started to realize you know, 253 00:14:19,391 --> 00:14:22,991 Speaker 1: I was working, I was studying, I thought, yeah, I 254 00:14:23,031 --> 00:14:26,071 Speaker 1: want to buy my own home. And eventually, you know, 255 00:14:26,431 --> 00:14:29,351 Speaker 1: I did well. I did with you know, Lohana's dad 256 00:14:29,391 --> 00:14:32,271 Speaker 1: when we were together, so we were able to, you know, 257 00:14:32,351 --> 00:14:36,311 Speaker 1: together working really hard, you know, we were able to 258 00:14:36,551 --> 00:14:40,351 Speaker 1: buy our own home in Canberra. So and then you know, 259 00:14:40,511 --> 00:14:42,671 Speaker 1: we sort of went on from there. So it was 260 00:14:42,711 --> 00:14:46,831 Speaker 1: all about working hard and you know, just trying to 261 00:14:47,231 --> 00:14:51,191 Speaker 1: you know, provide for when the children came along. And 262 00:14:51,231 --> 00:14:54,271 Speaker 1: so that I guess that feeds into that security question 263 00:14:54,351 --> 00:14:58,391 Speaker 1: that you were talking about. That by working hard, you know, 264 00:14:58,671 --> 00:15:03,231 Speaker 1: buying a home that created security for our little family. 265 00:15:03,751 --> 00:15:06,751 Speaker 3: Because there is this kind of what would you call it, 266 00:15:07,231 --> 00:15:10,951 Speaker 3: there's a myth or a misconception, a myth that you know, 267 00:15:10,951 --> 00:15:12,711 Speaker 3: Abiginal people get free houses. 268 00:15:13,551 --> 00:15:16,231 Speaker 1: No, well, where's my free house? You bring it to me, 269 00:15:16,351 --> 00:15:17,831 Speaker 1: and the free car as well, and. 270 00:15:21,791 --> 00:15:24,711 Speaker 3: There is a myth that people still still waiting to ask. 271 00:15:24,591 --> 00:15:27,671 Speaker 1: About getting all this free stuff and it doesn't happen. 272 00:15:28,071 --> 00:15:31,591 Speaker 3: No, I'm paying a mortgage, you know. And I've told 273 00:15:31,751 --> 00:15:35,391 Speaker 3: my kids the same thing that being educated and even 274 00:15:35,511 --> 00:15:38,991 Speaker 3: kind of influence it. I'm influencing their thinking on you 275 00:15:38,991 --> 00:15:41,351 Speaker 3: know that one day they're going to be in a position, 276 00:15:41,631 --> 00:15:44,551 Speaker 3: hopefully to buy a house. If they work hard, it's 277 00:15:44,591 --> 00:15:45,831 Speaker 3: not going to be handed to. 278 00:15:45,711 --> 00:15:49,311 Speaker 1: Them, That's right, And that's I think that's what we've 279 00:15:49,351 --> 00:15:53,151 Speaker 1: instilled on our children as well, to work hard. And 280 00:15:53,191 --> 00:15:57,671 Speaker 1: they've seen us work hard and now work ethic and 281 00:15:57,751 --> 00:16:01,031 Speaker 1: seeing what we've been able to build, and yeah, we've 282 00:16:01,111 --> 00:16:04,791 Speaker 1: sort of yeah, you know, put that that You're instilled 283 00:16:04,791 --> 00:16:08,671 Speaker 1: that into them as well, and they've you know, they do. 284 00:16:08,751 --> 00:16:09,591 Speaker 4: They all work hard. 285 00:16:09,671 --> 00:16:13,071 Speaker 1: Lawana works hard, John works hard, Dylan works hard, the 286 00:16:13,151 --> 00:16:17,231 Speaker 1: two boys. Yeah, and you know, I think that was 287 00:16:18,071 --> 00:16:19,671 Speaker 1: that's something that they learned from us. 288 00:16:19,671 --> 00:16:23,311 Speaker 3: They've seen it their whole lives and it's generational. They've 289 00:16:23,311 --> 00:16:27,511 Speaker 3: seen the older generation as well. Luana, have you ever 290 00:16:27,591 --> 00:16:30,991 Speaker 3: thought or ever dreamt of owning your own home here 291 00:16:30,991 --> 00:16:31,591 Speaker 3: in Sydney? 292 00:16:32,191 --> 00:16:34,471 Speaker 2: I mean I dream of it, but I just don't 293 00:16:34,471 --> 00:16:38,711 Speaker 2: know if I'll ever happened. I think it's the cost 294 00:16:38,751 --> 00:16:42,911 Speaker 2: of living these days is just crazy and it's scary 295 00:16:43,071 --> 00:16:47,991 Speaker 2: to feel like you're locking into something so big because 296 00:16:48,031 --> 00:16:50,551 Speaker 2: you know, first of all, you have to have savings 297 00:16:50,631 --> 00:16:54,951 Speaker 2: until the bank will even give you money for a loan. Anyway, 298 00:16:55,351 --> 00:16:58,351 Speaker 2: and it's hard enough to save when you're paying rent. 299 00:16:58,631 --> 00:17:01,111 Speaker 3: At the price here in Sydney, yeah. 300 00:17:00,631 --> 00:17:03,471 Speaker 2: Which is usually I mean, if I was to get 301 00:17:03,751 --> 00:17:07,271 Speaker 2: a mortgage, that would probably be the price I'd be paying. 302 00:17:07,271 --> 00:17:09,631 Speaker 2: But I'm you know, renting my own place, so it's 303 00:17:09,671 --> 00:17:13,271 Speaker 2: like trying to just get by and pay my own 304 00:17:13,311 --> 00:17:17,551 Speaker 2: rent and then try to save for a loan from 305 00:17:17,591 --> 00:17:18,911 Speaker 2: the bank to buy a home. 306 00:17:19,031 --> 00:17:22,511 Speaker 4: It just it's a lot. It's very overwhelming. But yeah, like, 307 00:17:22,631 --> 00:17:24,831 Speaker 4: of course I would love to buy. 308 00:17:24,711 --> 00:17:27,871 Speaker 2: A home one day, or an apartment or something that I. 309 00:17:27,831 --> 00:17:31,391 Speaker 4: Could afford, but it just feels. 310 00:17:31,191 --> 00:17:38,711 Speaker 2: Overwhelming sometimes, and it does feel like such a big responsibility. 311 00:17:37,511 --> 00:17:41,871 Speaker 3: After all, like thirty years working and creating you know, 312 00:17:42,471 --> 00:17:45,671 Speaker 3: wealth and trying to set yourself up. Karla. Is there 313 00:17:45,671 --> 00:17:49,231 Speaker 3: anything in particular that you want to you want to 314 00:17:49,271 --> 00:17:52,911 Speaker 3: pass down to your children. Is there, like any advice 315 00:17:53,511 --> 00:17:59,671 Speaker 3: that you give to them about kind of being financially secure. 316 00:18:00,511 --> 00:18:03,191 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I speak to them about I have 317 00:18:03,311 --> 00:18:06,991 Speaker 1: spoken to them about, you know, working hard and saving 318 00:18:07,111 --> 00:18:10,431 Speaker 1: up and you know, moving out when they were living 319 00:18:10,511 --> 00:18:12,351 Speaker 1: with me. Not that I was trying to get rid 320 00:18:12,391 --> 00:18:15,391 Speaker 1: of them or anything, but I could say to them 321 00:18:15,391 --> 00:18:17,071 Speaker 1: one day you want to you know, you don't want 322 00:18:17,071 --> 00:18:18,871 Speaker 1: to live with your old mum l you know, your 323 00:18:18,871 --> 00:18:21,031 Speaker 1: whole life. You want to get out and get your 324 00:18:21,031 --> 00:18:24,311 Speaker 1: own be independent and get your own place. And so 325 00:18:24,551 --> 00:18:28,711 Speaker 1: we've had those conversations and you know, Lwana has moved 326 00:18:28,711 --> 00:18:32,591 Speaker 1: out and you know she's renting her own place, and 327 00:18:33,151 --> 00:18:38,871 Speaker 1: the youngest one he's renting with his girlfriend. And you know, 328 00:18:38,911 --> 00:18:45,231 Speaker 1: I've just got one home now, the one Julie. Yeah, 329 00:18:45,391 --> 00:18:48,711 Speaker 1: and when yeah, mum makes your dinner and yeah, you've 330 00:18:48,751 --> 00:18:49,831 Speaker 1: got clean. 331 00:18:49,951 --> 00:18:54,831 Speaker 3: Clothes, and you've got company as well. The company's very good. 332 00:18:54,991 --> 00:18:56,191 Speaker 3: He's very good company. 333 00:18:56,311 --> 00:19:00,431 Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, so but yeah, no, we've had those discussions 334 00:19:00,471 --> 00:19:03,231 Speaker 1: about you know, working hard, saving up one day you 335 00:19:03,231 --> 00:19:06,231 Speaker 1: want to move, get your own place, and you know, 336 00:19:06,511 --> 00:19:08,831 Speaker 1: Lolana would like to, as she said, she'd like to 337 00:19:08,951 --> 00:19:11,871 Speaker 1: be able to buy one day. Dylan's talking about that 338 00:19:11,991 --> 00:19:15,111 Speaker 1: as well, about buying a place with his girlfriend, and 339 00:19:15,551 --> 00:19:17,031 Speaker 1: I'm sure John's thinking. 340 00:19:16,791 --> 00:19:17,711 Speaker 3: About it as well. 341 00:19:18,311 --> 00:19:21,991 Speaker 1: So it's yeah, just to think about you just working hard, 342 00:19:22,071 --> 00:19:25,271 Speaker 1: saving your money and have a goal, have a goal. 343 00:19:25,831 --> 00:19:28,071 Speaker 3: And for a lot of our mob that are listening 344 00:19:28,151 --> 00:19:31,551 Speaker 3: to this yarn, Carla, what do you hope to see 345 00:19:31,711 --> 00:19:37,471 Speaker 3: for the next generation that are working hard, that have 346 00:19:37,671 --> 00:19:43,871 Speaker 3: opportunities and hopefully have better access to finance, to capital, 347 00:19:44,351 --> 00:19:46,511 Speaker 3: to be able to get a bank loan, whether it's 348 00:19:46,511 --> 00:19:49,471 Speaker 3: Indigenous business Australia, whether you're going through Combank and names 349 00:19:49,631 --> 00:19:53,751 Speaker 3: Bank where they're indigenous business banking products. What do you 350 00:19:53,791 --> 00:19:55,591 Speaker 3: hope for the younger generation? 351 00:19:56,271 --> 00:19:59,791 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, exactly what you said, to have the opportunity 352 00:19:59,911 --> 00:20:01,871 Speaker 1: to be able to do that, to be able to 353 00:20:02,311 --> 00:20:05,751 Speaker 1: you know, go and get alone and you know, if 354 00:20:05,751 --> 00:20:07,351 Speaker 1: they want to buy a house or they want to 355 00:20:07,391 --> 00:20:12,071 Speaker 1: set up a business, you know, because our parents couldn't 356 00:20:12,271 --> 00:20:15,151 Speaker 1: do that, they didn't have that those opportunities. I would 357 00:20:15,151 --> 00:20:18,111 Speaker 1: just you know, busy, you know, working you know from 358 00:20:18,151 --> 00:20:20,151 Speaker 1: day to day, week to week, and you know, to 359 00:20:20,191 --> 00:20:23,111 Speaker 1: put money on the you know, to have money to 360 00:20:23,151 --> 00:20:27,031 Speaker 1: put food on the table. Hopefully now like with our generation, 361 00:20:27,511 --> 00:20:30,151 Speaker 1: you know, we've gotten more opportunities to be able to 362 00:20:30,591 --> 00:20:33,071 Speaker 1: you know, you know, to be able to go to 363 00:20:33,111 --> 00:20:38,271 Speaker 1: a bank and get alone and to provide for our kids. 364 00:20:38,311 --> 00:20:41,031 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think. 365 00:20:41,151 --> 00:20:43,391 Speaker 3: Just times change, Times. 366 00:20:43,151 --> 00:20:46,871 Speaker 1: Are changing with the know as the generations go along. 367 00:20:48,511 --> 00:20:51,311 Speaker 1: So hopefully yeah, like you know, my kids will be 368 00:20:51,351 --> 00:20:54,471 Speaker 1: able to buy a home and then their kids as well, 369 00:20:54,911 --> 00:20:56,831 Speaker 1: or if they want to set up a business or 370 00:20:57,351 --> 00:21:00,311 Speaker 1: you know, I just hope that you know, I'm sure 371 00:21:00,351 --> 00:21:06,111 Speaker 1: there will be more opportunities to come and there somwana in. 372 00:21:06,151 --> 00:21:10,631 Speaker 3: Terms of intergenerational wealth. Is there anything like that you 373 00:21:10,671 --> 00:21:14,271 Speaker 3: want to share with people that are listening, in particular 374 00:21:14,631 --> 00:21:18,431 Speaker 3: your own, hopefully your own story of how you're trying 375 00:21:18,431 --> 00:21:20,031 Speaker 3: to get there. 376 00:21:20,391 --> 00:21:22,511 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's really hard, Like as we were 377 00:21:22,511 --> 00:21:25,911 Speaker 2: talking about, the cost of living is really insane and 378 00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:30,391 Speaker 2: we're all feeling it. I really wish that I had listened. 379 00:21:30,151 --> 00:21:31,911 Speaker 4: To Mum a little bit more when I was at home, 380 00:21:31,951 --> 00:21:32,551 Speaker 4: because you. 381 00:21:32,511 --> 00:21:35,391 Speaker 2: Don't realize how good you do have it when you 382 00:21:35,471 --> 00:21:37,351 Speaker 2: are living at home and you don't have to think 383 00:21:37,351 --> 00:21:43,111 Speaker 2: about rent and electricity, Wi Fi food like you know, 384 00:21:43,191 --> 00:21:47,551 Speaker 2: and then petrol car insurance like a read, it literally 385 00:21:47,591 --> 00:21:50,591 Speaker 2: adds up. And if I thought back to you know, 386 00:21:50,631 --> 00:21:54,391 Speaker 2: when I was living at home, I was like, oh, yeah, 387 00:21:54,431 --> 00:21:56,551 Speaker 2: like I'll go buy clothes, or I wish that I 388 00:21:56,591 --> 00:21:58,311 Speaker 2: had saved a bit more, like you said, for a 389 00:21:58,391 --> 00:22:01,511 Speaker 2: rainy day, because when you are living out of home, 390 00:22:02,351 --> 00:22:06,151 Speaker 2: it's important to have something put away if something unexpected 391 00:22:06,231 --> 00:22:08,831 Speaker 2: comes up, whether it's like you know, you need a 392 00:22:08,911 --> 00:22:11,951 Speaker 2: tie for your car, or you know, a car service 393 00:22:12,151 --> 00:22:15,311 Speaker 2: or something like that. But I am really grateful and 394 00:22:15,391 --> 00:22:19,191 Speaker 2: fortunate that, you know, if I do need any help, 395 00:22:19,511 --> 00:22:22,671 Speaker 2: my mum and dad will you know, offer me help 396 00:22:23,151 --> 00:22:26,031 Speaker 2: if I need it, which I'm really grateful for my 397 00:22:26,111 --> 00:22:26,751 Speaker 2: nun and pop. 398 00:22:26,791 --> 00:22:29,271 Speaker 4: Also they've helped me here and there. 399 00:22:29,471 --> 00:22:32,791 Speaker 2: When I first moved into my apartment, you know, Dad 400 00:22:32,791 --> 00:22:35,031 Speaker 2: brought me a washing machine to like help me out. 401 00:22:35,431 --> 00:22:37,991 Speaker 2: Mum helped me, you know, with a few other things 402 00:22:38,031 --> 00:22:40,831 Speaker 2: as well. So it was that just took the pressure off, 403 00:22:41,071 --> 00:22:44,111 Speaker 2: you know, thinking about not just moving into a home, 404 00:22:44,431 --> 00:22:47,151 Speaker 2: but the things that you need when you're you can't 405 00:22:47,191 --> 00:22:49,391 Speaker 2: just move in and you're like laying on the floor, 406 00:22:49,391 --> 00:22:54,311 Speaker 2: like you need a bed, you're a dining table, washing machine, fridge, 407 00:22:54,391 --> 00:22:56,671 Speaker 2: all that sort of thing, and it's expensive. They're really 408 00:22:56,711 --> 00:23:00,671 Speaker 2: expensive things to get. So I guess basically it's you know, 409 00:23:00,791 --> 00:23:04,991 Speaker 2: it is really tough. It's expensive. But my parents have 410 00:23:05,111 --> 00:23:09,111 Speaker 2: virtually had my grandparents own their home in Narandra, and 411 00:23:09,591 --> 00:23:13,071 Speaker 2: I think hearing stories of how it was for my 412 00:23:13,151 --> 00:23:16,311 Speaker 2: nut and pop when they had my dad, I think 413 00:23:16,351 --> 00:23:16,751 Speaker 2: when they. 414 00:23:16,671 --> 00:23:18,991 Speaker 4: Had Dad, they were living in a car. 415 00:23:19,111 --> 00:23:21,191 Speaker 2: So for them to have gone from living in the 416 00:23:21,191 --> 00:23:22,991 Speaker 2: back of like a broken down car. 417 00:23:23,631 --> 00:23:26,351 Speaker 4: Obviously, you know, so many years later. 418 00:23:26,551 --> 00:23:29,951 Speaker 2: I don't think they bought their home until they were 419 00:23:29,991 --> 00:23:32,191 Speaker 2: in their sixties. I think they've lived there for twenty 420 00:23:32,271 --> 00:23:35,871 Speaker 2: years now, so you know, I'm only I'm forty next year, 421 00:23:35,951 --> 00:23:38,231 Speaker 2: so to think it could be another twenty years till 422 00:23:38,231 --> 00:23:42,151 Speaker 2: I own a home. But seeing the sacrifices, sacrifices my 423 00:23:42,191 --> 00:23:46,911 Speaker 2: grandparents made, the struggles they went through, and I don't 424 00:23:46,951 --> 00:23:50,111 Speaker 2: think they ever thought living in the back of a 425 00:23:50,231 --> 00:23:54,151 Speaker 2: car that they would ever own their own home. So 426 00:23:54,231 --> 00:23:56,671 Speaker 2: I was so proud of them when they bought their home, 427 00:23:57,031 --> 00:24:00,111 Speaker 2: and it gives me something to work towards, and you know, 428 00:24:00,151 --> 00:24:02,711 Speaker 2: it might not happen in five years, it might not 429 00:24:02,751 --> 00:24:07,311 Speaker 2: happen in ten years, but perseverance, working hard, saving where 430 00:24:07,351 --> 00:24:10,031 Speaker 2: you can, you know, they're. 431 00:24:09,831 --> 00:24:11,391 Speaker 4: Important things too. 432 00:24:12,271 --> 00:24:14,951 Speaker 2: That well, I guess that I've been past, like the 433 00:24:15,031 --> 00:24:18,071 Speaker 2: knowledge that I've been given and just seeing like you know, 434 00:24:18,231 --> 00:24:21,311 Speaker 2: my mum and dad work really hard and trying to 435 00:24:21,351 --> 00:24:24,911 Speaker 2: teach us along the way about saving money and how 436 00:24:24,911 --> 00:24:28,351 Speaker 2: important it is to be independent and stand on your 437 00:24:28,351 --> 00:24:31,151 Speaker 2: own two feet, even if it's really hard, and you're 438 00:24:31,231 --> 00:24:34,271 Speaker 2: like I'm struggling to pay the bills, but it's my 439 00:24:34,871 --> 00:24:35,911 Speaker 2: place at the end of. 440 00:24:35,951 --> 00:24:40,231 Speaker 3: The resilience as well, and it's like responsibility. 441 00:24:40,271 --> 00:24:43,391 Speaker 2: And when I do go home, even if it's like okay, 442 00:24:44,111 --> 00:24:46,871 Speaker 2: at least my rent is paid, the electricity is on, 443 00:24:47,271 --> 00:24:51,071 Speaker 2: there's Wi Fi, and there's food in the fridge, I'm like, okay, 444 00:24:51,551 --> 00:24:53,271 Speaker 2: I'm doing okay. 445 00:24:53,351 --> 00:24:56,391 Speaker 4: And it's also my safe space. It's a place that 446 00:24:56,431 --> 00:24:56,871 Speaker 4: I can. 447 00:24:56,751 --> 00:25:00,951 Speaker 2: Call my own and being independent is really important. 448 00:25:01,031 --> 00:25:04,271 Speaker 3: So, oh, thank you so much for sharing about parents. 449 00:25:04,511 --> 00:25:07,111 Speaker 3: They're still still on their property. 450 00:25:07,351 --> 00:25:10,591 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're still living there, and yeah, it's such a 451 00:25:10,591 --> 00:25:13,031 Speaker 2: beautiful home. And whenever we go back, they're like, you know, 452 00:25:13,031 --> 00:25:16,191 Speaker 2: when they bought it, they they renovated it slowly, and 453 00:25:16,271 --> 00:25:19,151 Speaker 2: you know, they took the time to really do it 454 00:25:19,231 --> 00:25:22,311 Speaker 2: up and make it how they wanted it, and they're 455 00:25:22,351 --> 00:25:25,711 Speaker 2: so proud of their home. And sometimes, you know, even now, 456 00:25:25,871 --> 00:25:27,831 Speaker 2: my pop will look around and I hear my Nan 457 00:25:27,871 --> 00:25:30,351 Speaker 2: and Pop have these little conversations when they're laying in 458 00:25:30,391 --> 00:25:33,191 Speaker 2: bed together and he'll look at the ceiling and he'll be. 459 00:25:33,231 --> 00:25:34,871 Speaker 4: Like, Betty, I just love our home. 460 00:25:35,111 --> 00:25:38,671 Speaker 2: I love like that this is our house and it's 461 00:25:38,711 --> 00:25:41,951 Speaker 2: such a beautiful thing to hear them say, because, like 462 00:25:42,031 --> 00:25:44,311 Speaker 2: I said, I don't think that they ever thought that 463 00:25:44,391 --> 00:25:47,471 Speaker 2: they would be living in their own home that they 464 00:25:47,511 --> 00:25:50,551 Speaker 2: bought after living in the back of a car. 465 00:25:51,111 --> 00:25:55,231 Speaker 3: And the struggle was real, and it's still real in 466 00:25:55,271 --> 00:25:56,951 Speaker 3: this day and age for a lot of our mob 467 00:25:57,711 --> 00:26:00,471 Speaker 3: so for a mom that are listening, you know, hopefully 468 00:26:00,511 --> 00:26:04,391 Speaker 3: they draw some strength and inspiration from what our old 469 00:26:04,391 --> 00:26:08,271 Speaker 3: people are being through what they've sacrificed. And if you 470 00:26:08,391 --> 00:26:12,391 Speaker 3: really want to start thinking of, you know, buying a 471 00:26:12,431 --> 00:26:16,031 Speaker 3: house or saving up or just getting out of your parents' house, 472 00:26:16,631 --> 00:26:21,391 Speaker 3: like it's possible. And I just want to say thank 473 00:26:21,431 --> 00:26:26,151 Speaker 3: you for coming on, having a yard, talking about our culture, 474 00:26:26,511 --> 00:26:30,911 Speaker 3: passing on knowledge and just talking about intergenerational wealth what 475 00:26:30,991 --> 00:26:34,191 Speaker 3: that means you know from our perspective. So thank you 476 00:26:34,231 --> 00:26:37,551 Speaker 3: so much for coming on the podcast and sharing your stories. 477 00:26:38,391 --> 00:26:40,151 Speaker 3: I got a lot out of it, and I know 478 00:26:40,231 --> 00:26:42,951 Speaker 3: that a lot of our listeners would be really inspired. 479 00:26:43,311 --> 00:26:43,631 Speaker 4: Thank you. 480 00:26:44,071 --> 00:26:44,871 Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. 481 00:26:44,871 --> 00:26:48,071 Speaker 2: But it's the important conversation, So I'm glad that we've 482 00:26:48,111 --> 00:26:50,871 Speaker 2: got to share yes our story with you. 483 00:26:51,311 --> 00:26:53,551 Speaker 3: Thank you. 484 00:26:53,551 --> 00:26:56,551 Speaker 5: You've been listening to Black Magic Women with Mondanara Bails 485 00:26:56,751 --> 00:27:00,031 Speaker 5: a space for truth telling a lived experience elevating powerful 486 00:27:00,071 --> 00:27:03,471 Speaker 5: stories grounded in culture and community. 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