1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Are you a fan of snack bars for a quick 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: energy hit on the go. In recent years, there has 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: been a growing number of nut based snack bars available, 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: which can be a cost effective and convenient way to 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: get your daily serve of nuts. But are all nutbars 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: healthy or are they just a source of added sugar. 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: On today's episode of The Nutrition Couch Product Review, we 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: take a closer look at some of the popular nutbars 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: found in supermarkets and share our thoughts on the best 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: options nutritionally. Hi, I'm Susie Burrell and I'm Leon Wood 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: and as two of us jay Is leading dieticians who 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: specialize in evidence based nutrition, we bring you the Nutrition 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: Couch Product Review, a weekly chat on everything that you 14 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: can find in supermarkets. Nellyanne, I know that you are 15 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: very tall, very active, You've got a small baby, and 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: I know that you do snack. I think the first 17 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: time we met each other and I was visiting your 18 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: home to record, you are like, oh my god, I'm 19 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: so hungry. I need to eat, And I thought, oh 20 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: my god, I wish I had the metabolism of you're 21 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: much younger person. But you know it is true than 22 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: to find healthy snacks, there's a huge number of snack 23 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: bars in supermarket. I have been a fan of nut 24 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: bars a long time in my career because I find 25 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: that it is a really good way for people to 26 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: keep their portion of nuts control. Because of course we 27 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: love our clients to have a serve of nuts a day. 28 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: It's important for heart health and good evidence around that. 29 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: But of course nuts are one of those foods that 30 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: are really easy to overeat. Where do you sit on nutbars? 31 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: Are you? Are there something that you are using with 32 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: your clients. 33 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love them. I regularly myself eat nutbars and 34 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: I use them for my clients as well, obviously pending 35 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: things like allergies. 36 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: And also it is. 37 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: Hard because they're not a good snack for you know, 38 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: our kids as well, because a lot of schools are 39 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,279 Speaker 2: nut free due to allergies. But I think for adults 40 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: they're actually a wonderful snack, and even for the kids 41 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: on weekends. I'm a big fan of nut bars, but 42 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: you know, some are masking as like a healthier alternative, 43 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: or some just have the protein nutbar label slapped onto 44 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: the packet. So I do think obviously any sort of 45 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: form of packaged food is going to have a bit 46 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: of added sugars. That's absolutely okay. It's not something you 47 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: can get around. I think just for the convenience and 48 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: the you know, it's already pre poor, it's a really 49 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: tasty snack. 50 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: I really do like them. 51 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: I'm a fan. I do recommend them for a lot 52 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: of my clients as well. But I think finding the 53 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: right brand with the right ingredients is really really big. 54 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: And I think for Susie I myself like, I don't 55 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 2: have the time to make them. I'm not, you know, 56 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 2: if I was going to cook something, I'd rather cook 57 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: up them, you know, really nourishing dinner than spend my 58 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: time making my own homemade nut bars. Of course, you 59 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: can do that if you've got the time and you 60 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: want to do that, that's great. But I think for 61 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: a lot of us who are busy, were on the run, 62 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 2: finding a few good brands in the supermarket is absolutely 63 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: probably a lifesaver for a lot of us. 64 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: It is, And there's quite a range of varieties and costs. 65 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: So I've chosen three different types today to try and 66 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: sort of cover the most common ones out there. So 67 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: the first one I want to talk about, Leanne is 68 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: the tasty brand. Now, this is a New Zealand brand. 69 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: It's not Australian. They've got a really wide range. The 70 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: ones I've chosen is the Chop peanut nut bar. This 71 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: I've got a value pack here at fifteen, but normally 72 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: they are five dollars for twelve, so they're pretty good 73 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: from a cost perspective. If I look at the ingredients, 74 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: it's forty seven percent peanuts. The next ingredient is more dextro, 75 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: which is a form of sugar, and then you've got 76 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: twelve percent milk chocolate, which is sugar, vegetable oil, milk, 77 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: solid's cocoa powder, and then it runs down the list. 78 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: There's sort of eleven percent dried fruit in that as 79 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: well sultanas and dates glucose. So when I take a 80 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: glance at the ingredient list, there is several forms of 81 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: added sugar here, like I'm counting molded dexter and sugar itself. 82 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: I'd count dried fruit as a sugar blue coase, sultana's dates, 83 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: brown sugar, So it's not looking amazing when we look 84 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: at that. It's a thirty five gram bar so per serve, 85 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: it's got less than two hundred calories, which is quite 86 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: low for a nut based snack. We should also say, 87 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: of course, peanuts are a legume actually not technically a 88 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: nut for anyone before you DMUs seven forty five kilo jules, 89 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: so five grams of protein, which is a reasonably good amount. 90 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: You know, if I was giving a recommendation for a 91 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: snack bar, I would say to my clients a minimum 92 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: of five grams of protein, and I'd probably push to ten. 93 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: Eleven point six grams are fat. It does have a 94 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: relatively high amount of saturated fat at six point eight percent, 95 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: and it is a high fat product. It should also 96 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: be noted that any nutbar will be high in fat 97 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: because nuts are a rich source of fat. It then 98 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: comes down to the type of fat, and we're aiming 99 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: for more good fat than bad fat. This is relatively 100 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: high and saturated fat, and that will be being bumped 101 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: up by the chocolate coat. It is pretty high in 102 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: sugar this one. So it's twenty five percent sugars and 103 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: that's not really surprising when I've listed all the different types. 104 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: It's eight point eight grams per serve, and probably if 105 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: I was giving a recommendation, i'd aim for less than 106 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: five grams of sugar on a nutbar because you can 107 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: easily find that it hasn't got a huge amount of 108 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: dietary fiber. You know, one point nine grams for one 109 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: bar is relatively low. You know, you'd really try and 110 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: get up to three for a stack bar. It's quite 111 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: low in sodium. Now, Leanne It's not my favorite number, 112 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: but it is one that I do use, particularly with teenagers. 113 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: And the reason I use it is I find if 114 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: they're a little bit anti nuts and healthier snacks, the 115 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: chocolate does get them over the line. And these bars 116 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: do taste really good and not surprising with that much sugar. 117 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: So it's also pretty affordable for families because of course, 118 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 1: when it comes to snack bars, they can get really expensive, 119 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: particularly with nuts, and if you're feeding a teenage boy 120 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: with high calorie requirements, I'd much rather they have this 121 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: than playing biscuits or potato chips or musley bars that 122 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: aren't giving them any protein. So I'm kind of in 123 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: the middle with it. It's not something that I recommend 124 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: to families or help people wanting to lose weight or 125 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: my own clients generally, but I do use it sometimes 126 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: with teenage boys because it's tasty, it's better than a 127 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: lot of package snacks out there, and they'll eat it 128 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: because of the chocolate. So I kind of am in 129 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: the middle with it. But no, it's not something on 130 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: my grocery list each ignor something that I'm giving to 131 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: my own clients. 132 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 2: And I don't think it's just for teenage boys. I 133 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: think teenage girls. I think growing active teenagers. Absolutely, this 134 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 2: is a really good, cost effective product for sedentary adults. No, 135 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 2: you need to be finding it a different Oppertiti. It's 136 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: probably too high in sugar and far too low on 137 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: dietary fiber. I'm really disappointed with this all about a 138 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 2: fiber in that I would really like to see that 139 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: up over. 140 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: I think a. 141 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: Minimum of three grams of fire before a snack would 142 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: really be my idea. So I think for growing active 143 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: teenais is absolutely a great snack choice. As you said, 144 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 2: it's pretty tasty, which helps get them most of the line, 145 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: and that's a really wonderful source of nutrition. We've got 146 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 2: some really good quality of research saying that we should 147 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: all adults and teenagers should be having a serve of 148 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: nuts each day. 149 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: All right, now, the next one we're going to take 150 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: a look at. And I should also say they're not 151 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: gluten free that brand the best of my knowledge, so 152 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: that's also relevant for a lot of our listeners. But 153 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: the next one that you've sent me through this morning, 154 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: because I was quite keen to or we are quite 155 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: keen to look at AUDI products a little bit more. Now, 156 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: the tricky thing with Audi is they don't list all 157 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: their nutrition oils online. So that's feedback for AUDI definitely. 158 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: If you want us to include more of your products, 159 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: you've got to put more of the nutrition information on 160 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: your website because it's quite tricky to find that. Liam 161 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: was like you to have this, which was great. So 162 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: this is the Hillcrest Gourmet protein Bars. Now I haven't 163 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: checked who makes these, but I would think it's either 164 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: nice and natural or tasty, probably making these for AUDI, 165 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: but I can check that. Now, this is their gourmet 166 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: protein bars with dark chocolate and cranberry. It's got ten 167 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: grams of protein per serve and it is also gluten free. 168 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: So straight away a couple of standout things there for 169 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: people looking for high protein snacks or particularly gluten free, 170 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: because there are a limited number of those products in 171 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: the supermarket. Now I might need to help a little 172 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: bit here because I've got the nutritionals. It's very small 173 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: and my eyes are not great. So this is a 174 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: forty gram bar. Do you want to read it? For 175 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: making dark? You can't see very well if you got 176 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: in front of you. 177 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: So what we did was Jos actually picked these up 178 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: at Aldi. I was just having a wizz through. I 179 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: was looking at some of the high protein yogas. Then 180 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: I didn't even read the back of the nutritional packet. 181 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: I just picked these up for David and he said, 182 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: from my taste perspective, He's like, yeah, they're super tasty, 183 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: like get them again. And then when I looked at 184 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: the nutritional I was I was like, I don't really know. 185 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: It's got a two starhus rating on the front of 186 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: pack And the ones that I picked up Susie with 187 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: a dark chocolate and cranberry bars, so you know, obviously 188 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: pretty tasty. Dark chocolate and cranberry is a great combination. 189 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: So there's five bars. I don't actually have the exact cost. 190 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: I think from memory they were there were three dollars 191 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: something Susie still less than a dollar per bar. I think, 192 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: you know, quite affordable for most families, so sort of 193 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: sitting in that middle price point. And then when you 194 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: look at one bar, which is forty grams, we've got 195 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: around eight hundred kilodels, so about one hundred and ninety calories, 196 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: so very similar to it from an energy density perspective 197 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: to the last bar that we talked about, a bigger 198 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: amount of protein. We've got ten point five grams per bar, 199 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: no detectable gluten, so suitable for ours CELIAX. We've got 200 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: nine point seven grams of fat, with three of that 201 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: being saturated fat, so higher saturated fat than the bar 202 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: that we previously talked about. We've got fifteen grams of 203 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: carbohydrates per serving, so around one serve of carb per bar, 204 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: with eight point two grams of sugar, so there's still 205 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: a little bit higher in terms of added sugar, two 206 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: point two grams of dietary fiber honestly still susie a 207 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: little bit lower than what I would really like at 208 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: a snack bar. And eighty four milligrams of sodium, which 209 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: is very low. So the thing that really struck me 210 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: here once I did turn over the packet when I 211 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: got home, hence why I gave them to David and 212 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: didn't eat them myself. There's a very very large ingredient 213 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: list like this is perhaps one of the largest ingredient 214 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: lists I've seen. So we've got roasted peanuts thirty percent. 215 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: We've got glucose syrup which is a form of sugar. 216 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: We've got high protein compound dark chocolate which is twelve percent. 217 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: We've got soy protein nuggets fourteen percent. So that's how 218 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: they get the added protein into that bar. So this 219 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: is why this vir is quite high in protein. It's 220 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: not just the nuts. They add this soy protein nuggets 221 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: in there as well. Then we've got sweetened dried cranberries, 222 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: not just standard dried cranberries. They've added the sugar free, 223 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: the sugar free sweetened ones, so four point five percent cranberries. 224 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: Also got three percent soy protein isolate, currants, per peeters, 225 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: peanut paste, maltodextrin, inulin, vegetable oil, almonds, cashew, cinnamon, and 226 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: a few sort of emulsifiers. And on the very bottom 227 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: of the label Susy it does say contains sustainable palm oil. Now, 228 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: I couldn't care less if it's sustainable or not. We're 229 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 2: not big fans of palm oil on this podcast, are 230 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: we Susy Regardless of it's sustainable. 231 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: No, we are not at all, And you know, I 232 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: tend to agree with you. It's at retailing it. I 233 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: think they're about, like you said, three ninety eight four 234 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: dollars for this brand. It's really a cost affordable option. 235 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: But I certainly wouldn't be eating it myself, or it 236 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't be my go to nutbar of choice. I think 237 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: it has a place, you know, I think for people 238 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: looking for convenient, cost effective, protein rich options. Again for 239 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: active people on a budget. You know, someone who's done 240 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: a workout in the morning and wants a quick recovery 241 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: or afternoon at a good price point. Keep in mind 242 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: that some protein bars, as we've talked about before, up 243 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: to five dollars a serve. You know, here you're looking 244 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: at you know, less than a dollar. So it's got 245 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: a place for me. But it's not my go to, No, 246 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: definitely not, but it's you know, it's still better, I 247 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: feel than a played music bar with no protein in it. 248 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: But it's sort of as I said, if I was 249 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: racing it out of ten, i'd give it, you know, 250 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: a six out of ten as a reference point because 251 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: of that really flooded ingredient list and a lot of 252 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: added sugars. So yeah, they're interesting products, and I do 253 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: encourage manufacturers to clean them up because they can abs 254 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: still lighten those sugar loads. Definitely. They plug in as 255 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: many relatively cheap ingredients at those price points. But if 256 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: there's consumer push to cut it back, certainly, I think 257 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: over time we'll see more and more options than a 258 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: lower in sugar as we progress through. So yeah, it's 259 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: sort of a middle ground product. 260 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, active people, it's not a bad option, is it 261 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: Around two hundred calories ten grams of protein. It's a 262 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: convenient option for active people. But it's not something I'd 263 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: be recommending as a daily standard for most people because 264 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: there is it's not exactly the cleanest ingredient lists that 265 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: we've seen. There are a lot better, I think products 266 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: on the market, but it is, you know, it's an 267 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 2: affordable option for a lot of family, so I think 268 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: it is good to include products like these. And David 269 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: did say they're super tasty, so I mean it's probably 270 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: something that he want me to buy. He can have 271 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: them a couple of times a week. I think it's fine. 272 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: But he does eat plain nuts as well, so you know, 273 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: getting the nutrients in that way. 274 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: Well, for example, it's going to be better if you 275 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: like something sweet after dinner, it's going to be one 276 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: hundred times better than two rows of chocolate if you're 277 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: getting the hit of chocolate on a calorie control from 278 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: some like that, rather than going to the vending machine 279 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: and ordering a Snickers or a mass bar. You know, 280 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: if you're swapping it strategically, it's certainly a better option 281 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: from that perspective too. So that's another way to think 282 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: about it. 283 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: Sorry, I'll just add one further point. It's just peanuts, 284 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: Like we really do want that variety of nuts. Oh yeah, 285 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: that's really looking for a nut bar with like peanuts 286 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: and almonds and cashews and pistachios versus just peanuts. Because 287 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: if you just says susy, there are a legum and 288 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: the bulk of the research are and other types of nuts, 289 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: not peanuts. So I would really if you're looking for 290 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: a health conscious choice, I'd be picking a product which 291 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: is a variety of nuts in they're not just peanuts 292 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: as the added nuts. 293 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: Actually, that is probably the main message of this conversation 294 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: in general that I haven't mentioned enough. Absolutely, when you're 295 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: looking for nut bars, you are less peanut more other nuts, 296 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: because when it comes to those health provading benefits, they're 297 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: much higher from things like your almonds, your walnuts, your 298 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: hazel nuts, but are also more expensive nuts, which is 299 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: why manufacturers, when they're trying to get a price point 300 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: that's lower, will for peanut because it's cheaper make it, 301 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: but nutritionally one hundred percent, you're better to spend on 302 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: the other mix of nuts and have a quick scan 303 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: and look for sort of you know, a higher proportion 304 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: of almond or peanut lowered down. That's a really, really 305 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: good point. I should have made that in the beginning land, 306 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: which leads us to our final nut bar we wanted 307 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: to look at. Now. This is from the Carmen's range 308 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: we've chosen just around in one I just went Carmen's 309 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: Almond hazel nut Vanilla. There's a lot of different varieties 310 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: out there. Straight away, I'm liking it simply because there's 311 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: sixty two percent nut, and that goes peanut, m and 312 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: hazel nuts, so you're getting over a quarter of the 313 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: nut bases from a nut other than a peanut. It 314 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: does have peanuts in it, though, because as I said, 315 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: to keep the price point down, they will need to 316 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: mix that, but also to get the flavor of the 317 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: actual bar, because of course peanuts give you that creamy 318 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: taste which is important in the mouth when you're having 319 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: a nut bar. So these retail for five a pack 320 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: of five for six dollars, so it does start to 321 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: go higher price point. They are gluten free, which is 322 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: a great bonus for many clients, and also they really 323 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: mark it on low. So these have got less than 324 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: four grams of sugar per serve, which is incredibly low. 325 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: Less than five grams, oh sorry, less than for my 326 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: eyes are so bad, less than five grams per serve, 327 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: so they've really worked hard to get a formulation that 328 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: is lower. So it's just under that two hundred calories 329 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: per serve, six point six grams of protein, twelve point 330 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: eight grams of total fat, and just one point four saturated, 331 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: so slightly higher and saturated fat at a percentage point. 332 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: But nuts are hard to get down because they do 333 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: have all of the fat types in there. So overall, 334 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: very positive fat ratios in this product. Nine point four 335 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: grams of carb per serve, so relatively low in carbohydrate 336 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: for a snack bar, and less four point six grams 337 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: of sugars Perserve Dietary five is outstanding three point seven grams, 338 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: so that far higher than the other more processed bars 339 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: we've seen. And I take a closer look at the 340 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: ingredient list. They are getting some sugar from glucose, but 341 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: there's also eight percent per peters, which are a really 342 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: rich source of long chain fats, the Amiga three fat, 343 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: so that's a really strong addition nutritionally, six percent honey, 344 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: brown rice syrup, puff cilium cinnamon. They're getting the fiber 345 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: from the cilium natural vanilla flavor. So a very clean list. 346 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: It does have some added sugar because you're going from 347 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: you've got to have the bar stick with something, you know. 348 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: I think people are like, it's got sugar, Well, of 349 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: course it does. It's a bar. What do you think 350 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: it's going to stick with. You can't put egg in there, 351 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: It's not going to taste very good. So when we 352 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: get back to basic food, if you've got some chopped nuts, 353 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: you've got to stick it with something. So there is 354 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: going to always be some added sugar in a bar. 355 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: But compared to say an apple, not that I'm comparing 356 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: a processed food to an apple, but you're going to 357 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: get twenty grams of natural sugars in an apple, So 358 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: four point six in the grand scheme of things, as 359 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: a snack food that's also offering protein and good fat, 360 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: is is no cause for concern. And you know, land 361 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: these would be one of my favorite types of nut 362 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: bars out there because they're pretty clean, they taste good, 363 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: they've got a high proportion of a range of nuts, 364 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: they're high in fiber, they're pretty high in protein, and 365 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: everyone likes them. 366 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: You know. 367 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: They really work hard at Commons to create flavor profiles 368 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: that are appealing and they've got their formulations down pa. 369 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: And the other one that I'm a big fan of 370 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: is the chok the coffee nut nutbar, because if you 371 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: love caffeine and if you love a bit of dark chocolate, 372 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: there's a nutbar with a drizzle on it, which is delicious. 373 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: It's like having a coffee in the afternoon. So there's 374 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: certainly some options you do pay a little bit more 375 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: for the quality, but these are, you know, the bars 376 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: that I will opt towards for clients who are looking 377 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: for a nutbar. But I'll also say to clients, look, 378 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with having a handful of nuts. And 379 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: a piece of fruit as an afternoon snack. Either. They're 380 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: just options and if you are looking for a nup bar, 381 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: certainly these are one of the best on the market 382 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: in terms of ingredient lists and taste and profile. 383 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: These are actually the ones that I eat on a 384 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: very regular basis. SUSI the Commons the standard vanilla ut bar, 385 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: because I've got a little bit IVS and my stomach 386 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: is a bit funny. The reason why David and I 387 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: eat different types of nutbars. He likes the high protein content. 388 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: He's a little bit more energy dense because he's, you know, 389 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: got more muscle mass, he's bigger than me. And also 390 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: he can tolerate things like added fibers really really well. 391 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: So I don't do well with a lot of brands 392 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: to boost the fiber content up. We saw one of 393 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: the ones the brand before Susie added Inland Come and added. 394 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: I find celium is a lot more gentle and better 395 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: tolerated on my gut and my ibs. I really can't 396 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 2: tolerate chicory root at all, and Inland those two ones 397 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 2: are big ones that companies add in to boost the 398 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 2: overall fiber content. So I really struggle and I find 399 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: a lot of the protein based bars either add inulin 400 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 2: or chickery roots if you have a sensitive gut looking 401 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: for bars without sort of inlin and chickery root, I 402 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: think are a really good option for people with IBS. 403 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 2: So you know, they're mostly scattered through the majority of 404 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 2: our package sort of snack bar products. So I really 405 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: do like the Carmen's range because from an IBS or 406 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: an irritable our perspective, they are pretty good for most 407 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 2: of my clients. So this is my one of choice. 408 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: I like the dietary fibers higher. I like the sugars 409 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: are higher, are lower, sorry, and I do like the 410 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 2: mix of that nuts in there. It's not just all 411 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: peanut based. But if you were just to read the 412 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: ingredient list per se, you would think that it's a 413 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: really high sugar product because you've got glucose, you've got honey, 414 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 2: you've got brown rice syrup. You're like, well, that's three 415 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: different types of sugar in the one bar. But what overall, 416 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 2: looking at at all points, six grams is actually quite 417 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 2: low for something like a nut bar. So this is 418 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: definitely my favorite one. It is a higher price point, 419 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 2: but I am someone who I would say, probably, you know, 420 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 2: I can definitely talk from that privileged perspective. I can 421 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: you know, afford this high price point, So this is 422 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: something that I definitely choose to spend my money on 423 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 2: a better quality product. But we understand that a lot 424 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: of our families listening are on a budget, so we 425 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 2: do hope that we've given you some different options in 426 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: terms of some other more affordable bars as well. But 427 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: if you do have, you know, a little bit of 428 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: extra money to spend, this is probably definitely my pick 429 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: of the three. Although it's not as high a protein 430 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: as one of the other ones that we talked about, 431 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 2: I think the general macro nutriment distribution is better better 432 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: overall than the other two bars that we have talked about. 433 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: True, And I will assay say to my clients listening, 434 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: just because we say it's good doesn't mean you can 435 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: have multiple ones per day. I'll talk to my clients 436 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: about their nut bars and they'll say, you know, I 437 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: was hungry, so I grabbed another Carmons bar And I'll 438 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, but they're quite high in calories still, 439 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: So I have a general rule for the average person 440 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: one nut based snack per day. So just because they're 441 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: pretty good nutritionally, it doesn't give your license to eat 442 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: the whole box, so just keep that in mind too. 443 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: They are pretty tasty, they are right and well. That 444 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: brings us to the end of the Nutrition Couch product 445 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: review for another week. 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