1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Bungelung Calcottin woman from Gadigol Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Thursday, 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: the seventh of September. 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 3: I'm Sam Kazlowski and I'm Zara Seidler and we actually 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: have a listener message us that she thinks that it's 11 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 3: less intimate when we use our last name, interesting, which 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 3: we had been told was something that we should do 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: to not assume that people know who we are. So 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 3: let us know what you think about that. 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: The coach of Spain's women's soccer team has been fired. 16 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 2: It's the latest in a series of events being described 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: as Spanish soccer's me too moment, from an uprising last 18 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: year to the non consensual kiss at the World Cup. 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: We're going to give you all the background you need 20 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: to understand the revolution taking place at the heart of 21 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 2: Spanish football, but first Sarus some dramatic events. In Queensland, three. 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: People have been rescued after their boat was damaged by 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 3: several sharks. Emergency services received a distress signal from a 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 3: location in the Coral Sea, eight hundred kilometers from Cannes. 25 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: The trio were on around the World trip and were 26 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: taken to Brisbane following their rescue. 27 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: The New South Wales police officer accused of tasering an 28 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: elderly woman in a nursing home back in May has 29 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: faced court in person for the first time. Christian White 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: was charged with two counts of assault and a grievous 31 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: bodily harm charge over his alleged involvement in the incident, 32 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: which led to the death of ninety five year old 33 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: Claire Noland. The thirty three year old has been suspended 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: from the police force and will face court again next month. 35 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 3: Nitrous oxide, otherwise known as laughing gas or NANGS, will 36 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: be outlawed in the UK by the end of the year. 37 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: The proposed reforms would include prison sent of up to 38 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 3: fourteen years for supplying the drug and two years for 39 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: anyone caught in possession of nangs. Nitrous oxide is the 40 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: third most commonly misused drug in the UK, and it's 41 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: particularly popular among school children and young adults. 42 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: And today's good news, two thousand rhinos are set to 43 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: be released into the wild in South Africa. The Southern 44 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: white rhinos have been threatened by poaching, with the total 45 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: wild population believed to have been reduced to around sixteen thousand. 46 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: The rhinos will be gradually released into the wild over 47 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: a ten year period from the captive breeding park where 48 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: they've been living recently purchased by a conservation group. So 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: the coach of Spain's women's soccer team has been fired 50 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: just a few weeks after the team's World Cup win. 51 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: Now Zara, there's been weeks of controversy surrounding the Spanish 52 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: soccer team since they won in Sydney last month, and 53 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: I think to really understand why this sacking of the 54 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 2: coach is big news today, we need to go back 55 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: to that night of Spain's world. 56 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: This has been a huge story. It's something that's at 57 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 3: the intersection of I think sport and gender politics. I've 58 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: been agitating for us to speak about this for a 59 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: long time on the pod, but it just feels like 60 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 3: at every point there's another story. So why don't we 61 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: just go back to the beginning and start with what 62 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: actually happened on the night of the World Cup final. 63 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: So I was in the stadium that night. It was 64 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: an incredibly large, boisterous crowd. Spain won against England. It 65 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 2: was really a defining moment for sport and will be 66 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: remembered as one as the great moments of this year. Now, 67 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: after Spain win, there's a ceremony where officials congratulate the 68 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: players one by one on stage as they get their medal. 69 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: When Spanish forward Jennifer Emoso was on stage, the Spanish 70 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: Football Federation president Louis Robiales grabbed her, kissed her on 71 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: the cheeks, and then kissed her on the lips without 72 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: her consent. Now, I think the first question that people 73 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: had after seeing this on TV was what did the 74 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: player Emoso think? Videos emerged of Homoso afterwards appearing to 75 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: tell fans and her teammates that she didn't like the kiss, 76 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: but said, quote, what can I do. 77 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: I remember watching it and being like, huh, that. 78 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 2: Was odd and well people noticed on Twitter like straight away, yeah. 79 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people were wondering what had 80 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 3: actually just happened. 81 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: And it kind of moved to a wave of anger 82 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: and Rubyalez quickly faced criticism from the fans, from the 83 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: Spanish players union, even Spain's acting Prime minister said it 84 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 2: was unacceptable now straight away. In the days after, Rubyalez 85 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: immediately went on the defensive. He was called before this 86 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: emergency meeting back in Spain where the Federation of Spanish 87 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: Football kind of asked him to explain his actions and 88 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: the media thought he was going to resign now when 89 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: he got up on stage, he refused to resign. He 90 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: said the kiss was in his words, spontaneous, mutual, euphoric 91 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: and consensual, and that the case against him was being 92 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: by what he described as false feminists. Now. In response 93 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: to that, Imoso issued a statement saying that the incident 94 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 2: made her feel vulnerable and she said she was a 95 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: victim of an impulse driven, sexist, out of place act 96 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: without consent. She said, simply put, I was not respected. 97 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: She's definitely not mincing her words there, as she's come 98 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 3: out very strongly and hasn't back down since. What do 99 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 3: we hear from the other members of her team. 100 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 2: Well. She was joined in a statement by one hundred 101 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 2: and thirteen current and former players who said very clearly 102 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 2: they would not play for the Spanish national team while 103 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 2: Rubalez remained as president. The statement said, after everything that 104 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 2: happens during the delivery of medals of the Women's World Cup, 105 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: we want to state that all players who sign this 106 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: letter will not return to a call of the national 107 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 2: team if the current leaders continue. And something I want 108 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: to note here because I'm going to come back to 109 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: this in a sec but you'll note I said leaders, 110 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,039 Speaker 2: not leader when I was reading from that. 111 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 3: So what you're hinting at there is that they were 112 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 3: calling for this structural change. But before we get there, 113 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 3: where are we at? In the Rubialas story, he refused 114 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: to resign, there's been ongoing pressure. Where are we at now? 115 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: So he still has not stepped down, But that's when 116 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: FIFA stepped in. So FIFA have suspended Rubialees for ninety 117 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: days to allow for disciplinary proceedings. So during this period 118 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: he's not allowed to engage in any football related activities 119 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 2: at national or international levels, and he's also restricted from 120 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: contacting Emoso or anyone close to her. FIFA said in 121 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,239 Speaker 2: a statement that it reiterates its absolute commitment to respect 122 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: the integrity of all persons and therefore condemns with the 123 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 2: utmost vigor any behavior to the contrary. Now, one of 124 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: the people within the Spanish football Federation that supported Rubiales 125 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: was the coach of the Spanish football team. His name 126 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: is Joge Wilda. Wilda gave Rubiales a standing ovation after 127 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: he defended himself at the football Federation emergency meeting. Wilda 128 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: did though later tried to distance himself, saying he regretted 129 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: Rubiala's conduct. 130 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 3: Okay, so we've been talking about one character, this rubyalas 131 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 3: in this story, he was one that kissed a player. 132 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: But then just now you've introduced another character, Jorge Wilda, 133 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: who's the coach of the Spanish football team. 134 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: Was the coach. 135 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: Was the coach. So why are we talking about him today? 136 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: Well, he was fired this week by the Spanish Football Federation. 137 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: What's interesting about this story is that they haven't actually 138 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: told us why he's been dismissed. The Spanish Football Federation, 139 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: in talking about the dismissal, went to great lengths to 140 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: basically say he's been great for the sport and he's 141 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: a key figure in the significant growth of women's football 142 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: in Spain. The federation went as far as crediting Wilda 143 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: with bringing the women's team to number two in the 144 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: FIFA rankings, and that's the highest they've ever been in 145 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: their history. Wilda will be replaced by his deputy Monse Tommy, 146 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: who's a former player who will also be the first 147 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: woman to coach the team. And just quick HitBit for you. 148 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: Wilda was actually hired in twenty fifteen after one of 149 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: his predecessors was ousted after accusations of sexism. 150 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: Okay, so the federation hasn't necessarily provided a reason for 151 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: Wilda's dismissal for firing him, but I do remember during 152 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: the World Cup that there was quite a bit of 153 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: controversy surrounding him. I know that I went deep in 154 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 3: Women's World Cup TikTok Land, and at the time, a 155 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: lot of videos were showing me players just blatantly ignoring 156 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 3: him when they came off the field or were being 157 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: subbed off, or you know, people refusing to high five 158 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: him when he went for a high five. There was 159 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: clearly some tension. 160 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: There, and I saw that tension in real life at 161 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: the final where Spain won and there was this, you know, 162 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: incredible elation from the players and they were celebrating as 163 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: a team, but it did appear as though the players 164 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: were going out of their way not to include him 165 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: in those celebrations, and then after the game there was 166 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: some commentary to that effect that it looked like the 167 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: players didn't want anything to do with him. Now to 168 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 2: kind of understand the coach, you have to go back 169 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: to last year when fifteen players staged somewhat of an 170 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: uprising and called for his resignation. So this was all 171 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: pre Women's World Cup. The fifteen players threatened to walk 172 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: out of the Spanish national team, complaining about outdated training 173 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: methods and controlling behavior. Now, according to a statement issued 174 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: by the federation at the time, the players expressed concerns 175 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: about Wilda's approach, saying it significantly affected their mental health 176 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: and emotional state, but the federation at that time threw 177 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: their support behind Wilder and the players were forced to 178 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: apologize if they wished to resume playing on the Spanish 179 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: national team. The federation released a statement saying they were 180 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,599 Speaker 2: not going to allow the players to question the continuity 181 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 2: of the national team and its coaching staff, since making 182 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: those decisions is not within their powers. Of the fifteen 183 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: who wrote letters three played at the World Cup. 184 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: So the point that you're talking about, clearly the federation 185 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 3: was supporting Wilda, the coach. It's fair to say that 186 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 3: now that is no longer the case. He's been fired. 187 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 3: What happened between then and now, we. 188 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: Don't really know what's been going on behind the scenes. 189 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 2: This statement by the federation was incredibly vague, and we 190 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: don't have a core reason why Wilda was dismissed this week. 191 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: But I'm going to try and do some reading between 192 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: the lines, and I do think it's hard to ignore 193 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: the anger sparked by the Rubiales incident at the World Cup. 194 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: The reaction has been huge, not just in Spain but globally, 195 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 2: and the last few weeks have been dubbed Spanish Football's 196 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: me too moment. Now that doesn't directly explain why the 197 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: coach was fired and why the president wasn't fired who 198 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: really was the trigger of this scandal, But what we 199 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: can say for certain is that if you zoom out 200 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: and look at Spanish football and the Spanish Football Federation, 201 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: things are not good in the leadership team and there's 202 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 2: definitely this cultural shift happening that warrants a conversation and 203 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: I think this isn't the last that we're going to 204 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: talk about Spanish football. But it'll be very interesting to 205 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: see what happens when Robalez's suspension is up and he returns, 206 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: perhaps to his position, but also it'll be interesting to 207 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: see what happens when we have the findings from the 208 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: investigation into his conduct. That's all we've got time for 209 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: today on the Daily Odds. If you enjoyed what you 210 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: heard today or had any thoughts about this issue, we'd 211 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: love to hear what you have to say in the 212 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: comments on Spotify. We'll be back again tomorrow. Until then, 213 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: have a great day.