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Speaker 1: She's on the Money. She's on the Money.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast

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Speaker 2: for millennials who want financial freedom. For most people, job

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Speaker 2: interviews are painful, nauseating experiences that, while essential, are an

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Speaker 2: experience that ultimately we wish we could avoid.

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Speaker 3: They're scary. Yes, they're scary, they really are.

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Speaker 2: And of course there are exceptions, and some people out

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Speaker 2: there love having the opportunity to talk about themselves under

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Speaker 2: a high pressure environment. For most of us, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: Job interviews are terrifying. If you fall into that ladder

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Speaker 2: camp and are terrified of job interviews, or even if

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Speaker 2: you're eager to know what employers may want to hear,

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Speaker 2: today's episode is the one for you. My name is

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Speaker 2: Jessica Riki, and I don't hate job interviews, but they

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Speaker 2: make me super anxious. And so today I'm chatting as

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Speaker 2: always with a financial advisor and my employer.

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Speaker 3: Hello Divine.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, I know how convenient that you're my boss

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Speaker 2: and also my podcast buddy today. Why do some people

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Speaker 2: like myself find job interviews so daunting while other people

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Speaker 2: just seem to totally thrive?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, how annoying is it when you've got

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Speaker 3: one of those friends that just thrives under pressure and

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Speaker 3: does really well in job interviews. I was never that person.

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Speaker 3: I always used to get really anxious and really nervy.

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Speaker 3: And I remember always walking into job interviews when I

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Speaker 3: had them, and I would like wipe my hand on

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Speaker 3: the back of my hip before like shaking someone's hand,

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Speaker 3: because I literally would get like sticky fingers, and I

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Speaker 3: was always so embarrassed, and I wonder, and I remember

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Speaker 3: like walking into job interviews and I'd be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: don't munch off your fists because then they will like

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Speaker 3: be more sweaty. So I always remember being so aware

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Speaker 3: of that, and that is so weird to remember now,

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Speaker 3: but I think we all go through it. But at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, like some of us are

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Speaker 3: good at that and some of us are not so

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Speaker 3: good at that, And there is no right or wrong.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't actually mean that you're going to be better

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Speaker 3: or worse at the job. Like some people just interview

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Speaker 3: poorly and that's okay. But hopefully at the end of

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Speaker 3: this episode, we can leave you with some tips and

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Speaker 3: tricks so that you can be a better interviewee and

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Speaker 3: be one of those people that just walks in with

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Speaker 3: an air of confidence, even if you're not that confident

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Speaker 3: actual goals?

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Speaker 2: Can I start off by being super easy and asking

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Speaker 2: how did I go when you interviewed me for my job?

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Speaker 2: I started, I'm sidetracking this.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, Jess. You started last December and you were

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Speaker 3: a really good Interviewee. Were you nervous? Was that? Absolutely? No?

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Speaker 2: So I met Ryan first, and Ryan has a really

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Speaker 2: because I just wanted this job so desperately. Like I

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Speaker 2: was like the stars have aligned. Like many other people,

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Speaker 2: I had a horrible twenty twenty and I was just like,

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Speaker 3: I can't even touch you hard well. You were an angel.

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Speaker 3: You were such a good interview ere And it's one

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Speaker 3: of those things that the thing that I liked most

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Speaker 3: think I liked the most?

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Speaker 2: Was it?

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Speaker 3: You were obviously very articulate and really good and explaining

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Speaker 3: what you were really good at, and like explaining what

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Speaker 3: was really impressed. But the thing I liked most about

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Speaker 3: willing to put into growing that aspect. Because I remember

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Speaker 3: you said, Hey, Victoria, in the job description it says

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Speaker 3: because so many people come into these situations and they go, Okay, cool,

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Speaker 3: I'm not good at that, because at the end of

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Speaker 3: you to be a wizard and some kind of superhuman person.

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Speaker 3: I'm just looking for a really nice team member that

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Speaker 3: exactly what I saw and why you got the job.

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Speaker 3: My friend, Ah, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I feel like as well, like the flip side of

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Speaker 2: that is like we all pad our resumes or you know,

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Speaker 2: elaborate on things. Did you this new? Not me personal,

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Speaker 3: Best and brightest.

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Speaker 2: Oh. But of course there's a big difference between doing

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Speaker 2: that and like outright lying or implying that you have

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Speaker 2: for me it was Excel. Like I'm not an Excel wizard,

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Speaker 3: You're so good at it. But if I do, we

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Speaker 3: do Excel master classes and you're slowly becoming a wizard. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: But if I had come into that interview and been like, hey,

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Speaker 2: like by just being upfront in that interview, you avoid

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that that makes everyone feel far

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Speaker 3: be honest about your capabilities. Absolutely. Moving on, enough about me,

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Speaker 3: you and your interview. Let's learn how we can all

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Speaker 3: be better at interviews. What is your first question for me?

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Speaker 3: Jesse go Toci.

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Speaker 2: So I guess before you even get to the interview,

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Speaker 3: A lot, And I think that a lot of people

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Speaker 3: much I adore Adore, but I know about the company,

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Speaker 3: The second thing that you can do, and I feel

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Speaker 3: is nothing worse, Jess than getting into an interview with

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Speaker 2: I have two that I think are really good go tos,

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Speaker 2: And they also are kind of something that's not super

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Speaker 2: nothing worse than when you pre prepare your questions and

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, no, I have no questions. You actually

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Speaker 2: So I feel like it's always really fun to ask

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Speaker 3: Genius, which I love. So what else can we ask?

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Speaker 2: Ask about growth and opportunities within the business. So if

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Speaker 2: picturing yourself their long term because realistically, it's very rare

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Speaker 3: That's the secret, And it's one of those things that

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Speaker 3: It's a really good question. Also gets you to learn

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Speaker 3: In fact, I've done a little bit of research around

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Speaker 3: Okay, so first things first, my mum always told me me,

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Speaker 2: And if you're ever wondering, my rule of thumb is overdressed,

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Speaker 2: like once you're employed? Is kind of their mentality And

438
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 2: it sucks that appearance factors in, But because we know

439
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 2: that it does from all of that research, I feel like,

440
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 2: if you're ever unsure, go further and above and beyond

441
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 2: rather than you know, erring on the side of more cash.

442
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 3: Yes, there is a great quote that says you can

443
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 3: never be overdressed or over educated, and I adhere to

444
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 3: that very strictly, because I genuinely think that's not the case.

445
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 3: And Jess feedback, you were beautifully dressed at your interview

446
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 3: and now we just wear genes to work, so it's

447
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 3: very true, very true, all right. And then next one

448
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 3: is arrive early, like not like hours early, because that's

449
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 3: just awkward. But make sure that you are five to

450
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 3: ten minutes early, and know that the interview starts the

451
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 3: second you walk into that building, not when you go

452
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,479
Speaker 3: into the interview room. So treat the receptionists well and

453
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 3: literally everybody. Well. I don't think I should have to

454
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 3: be giving this advice, but do you know the amount

455
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 3: of times I have met people and they haven't been

456
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 3: nice to the receptionist, And then I'm like best friends

457
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 3: with the receptionist, and after the interview, they're like, oh,

458
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 3: she wasn't that nice, was she? And I'd be like,

459
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? And then they explain to

460
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 3: me their experience and I'm like, oh, interesting, noted.

461
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: Christ them off the list.

462
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: Exactly, Like You've got to remember that regardless of who

463
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 3: they are, they are worth your time. And I don't

464
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 3: care who they are or what job they do, I

465
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 3: promise you if they're already employed by that company. They

466
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 3: have a better relationship with their CEO than you do,

467
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 3: my friend, So don't treat anyone terribly, which shouldn't be

468
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 3: advice I have to give, but do you know what

469
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 3: I've experienced it quite literally next breathing exercises. I know

470
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 3: this is really lame, but take a big breath before

471
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 3: you walk in or you get out of the car,

472
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 3: because you need to be calm and remember that, like,

473
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 3: this is an opportunity. It is not something that should

474
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: be stressful. And if you are stressed, let's channel that

475
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,719
Speaker 3: into excitement because how lucky are you to get to

476
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: go to this interview? Not how anxious am I to

477
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 3: go have to go to this interview? Right, yeah, like

478
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: we want to change our mindset. And then once you're

479
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 3: in the interview room or I don't know, it was

480
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 3: like what did we do, Jess, we got a coffee.

481
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 3: Once you're having a coffee or in your interview, trying

482
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 3: to establish a little bit of rapport with your interviewer,

483
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 3: obviously within reason. If they're back to back interviews and

484
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 3: it's very serious and very corporate and very professional, like

485
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 3: maybe it's not the time or place to be like Hey,

486
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 3: how's your day been so far? But asking them about

487
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 3: their day, complementing the office space, saying something that gives

488
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 3: them a sense of who you are or the sense

489
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 3: of humor that you obviously have, is a really great

490
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 3: way to break the ice and feel a little bit

491
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 3: more comfortable on your behalf.

492
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: And are there any other tips or tricks that we

493
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: can maintain once we're in that interview space?

494
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, one of them is eye contact. I know

495
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 3: it can be really awkward but scary. I know, I know,

496
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 3: and like, don't stare them down in their eyes, but

497
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 3: I often pick up space on their face that I'm

498
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 3: really comfortable looking at.

499
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: So like between the eyebrows or something.

500
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, unless they have a really bad monobrow, in which

501
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 3: case you probably don't want to stare at it. No,

502
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 3: that sounds really mean, but I often pick in the

503
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 3: middle of their forehead because it never feels like I'm

504
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 3: staring at you. But it's always that point of reference

505
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 3: to go back to to make sure that you are

506
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 3: making eye contact, because that's really important in an interview.

507
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 3: But then also we want to appear confident, right, We

508
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: don't want to appear as though we are super nervous

509
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 3: even if we are, and we also don't want to

510
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 3: downplay our achievements. So saying things like and yeah at

511
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 3: the end of all of your sentences is really bad

512
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: and it makes you sound like you are not as confident.

513
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 3: So refraining from saying things like and yeah at the

514
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 3: end of sentences is going to help you greatly, because

515
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 3: your sentence is impactful and it's important, and saying something

516
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 3: like and yeah on the end is actually only going

517
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 3: to downplay what you've just said.

518
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Speaker 2: It's really interesting because we you see, there's a lot

519
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 2: in women, specifically, even once you're in the workforce, around

520
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 2: sending emails, for example, we tend to use softening language

521
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 2: to make the other person and say, oh, I was

522
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: just wondering, or just get that.

523
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 3: Out of your vocabulary right now. We don't.

524
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Speaker 2: And I remember really early in my employment we I

525
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 2: was working on some copy for something forshus the money,

526
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 2: and I don't remember what it was specifically, but I

527
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: was using a lot of exclamation points and like a

528
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 2: few of those, like downplaying like language phrases, and you

529
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: said to me, your language should speak for itself. You

530
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: don't need to downplay what you're saying. Or make other

531
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: people feel comfortable. Just say what you want to say,

532
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: because I guarantee you that's what the men are doing.

533
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: And I was like, what what.

534
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: Do you mean?

535
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, like it really speaks to your confidence.

536
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 2: And I understand that as women were so conditioned to

537
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: kind of put ourselves on the back foot or put

538
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 2: other people first. But if you can start to eliminate

539
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: that from your day to day language, you would be

540
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: shook at what a difference it makes and how empowered

541
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: it can make you feel.

542
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And I think that that goes for

543
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: every day life, not just interviews. Saying the word just

544
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 3: is so disempowering. And I'll often pick people up in

545
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 3: our office, which you know, Jess. I'll be like, hey, cool,

546
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: do you want to rephrase that? Like I want to

547
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 3: hear that again. And I'm not being condescending, I'm not

548
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 3: being rude. I just feel like it is my job

549
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: to point out to you when you're not doing yourself justice.

550
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 3: And sometimes people will say, oh, Victoria, I just wanted

551
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: to check how are you going with that report, instead

552
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 3: of saying, hey, Victoria, I need that report because one

553
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: of them is confident. One of them is tiptoeing around,

554
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: and I don't think anyone should have to tiptoe around

555
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: a relationship, a job, a situation like nothing. We don't

556
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 3: just need to check. You need to check because that's

557
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: actually your job. My friend own it.

558
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: So I suppose going over those things. I've seen a

559
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: lot of people talking in the group about the Star.

560
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: Method for interviews. Do you know what that is? Yes?

561
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 3: I do, and it is actually perfect if we are

562
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: one of those people that really want to plan for

563
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 3: an interview and have those pre prepared answers. But as

564
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: I said, pre prepared answers aren't going to get you

565
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: the job, but having a framework is. So the STAR

566
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: method is actually a framework that we can all adopt

567
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 3: for literally any type of question. And STAR stands for situation, task, action,

568
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 3: and result. So that is the way you're going to

569
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 3: frame your response. So when you're asked a question and

570
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: you're required to provide a specific example, you're going to

571
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: think situation, so you explain what the situation is. Then

572
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 3: you're going to think task, so what was your responsibility

573
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 3: in that moment? Then you're going to think action, and

574
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: you're going to explain the steps that you took to

575
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: address that situation, and then finally you're get to round

576
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: it out with the results and explain what your results

577
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: were based on your action. And keeping this in mind

578
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 3: is going to help you stick to short, sharp answers

579
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: that are grounded in real life experiences as opposed to

580
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 3: waffling on for a while and then like you're trying

581
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: to look back to the point because you're nervous. By

582
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: having a framework and deeply knowing that framework, you can

583
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: immediately go, okay, cool, break this center for what was

584
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: the first thing, situation, task, action, result, and then you

585
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: know you've comprehensively answered that question. So instead of having

586
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 3: a pre prepared response, you've got a pre prepared framework,

587
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: and you can put your actual life and actual examples

588
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 3: into that little framework and make yourself look like a legend.

589
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so we've prepared for the interview, we've done our research,

590
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: we've gotten through the interview, we've gotten over our nerves,

591
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: we've used the star method to give really comprehensive responses,

592
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: and we've walked out of the interview. We're done. We've

593
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 2: shook their legends, or we've tapped their elbows because COVID

594
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: life or whatever the case may be do we send

595
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: a follow up email or a call or flowers or

596
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: what is don't send for?

597
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: What is the protocol? I think different horses for different courses.

598
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 3: Like everybody is going to tell you something different in

599
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: this particular situation. But if you're asking me, I'm not

600
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: someone who calls, because I know that that could be

601
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: really awkward. Maybe they haven't gotten through all of their interviewers.

602
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: Like when you get on the phone, what are you

603
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: gonna say? Like, Hey, thank you so much for taking

604
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 3: your time. I was just wondering about my application, Like

605
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to have a full conversation, but I

606
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: do want you to acknowledge it because that person took

607
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: the time out of their day to meet with you.

608
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: I think acknowledging that is really nice. Don't do it

609
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 3: the second you work out, so their phone pings as

610
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 3: they're walking back to my desk. But later that day

611
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: or that evening or even the next morning, sending just

612
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: a really nice thank you note to the person or

613
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: the panel who interviewed you, explaining that you really enjoyed

614
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: meeting them. You're thanking them for taking the time out

615
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: of their day and for the opportunity. I think is

616
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: really nice with absolutely no, Hey, could you just let

617
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: me know how I'm going in the process? Like that

618
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: is not the intention of the email. The intention of

619
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: the email is to express gratitude and just say thank

620
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: you so much for taking the time out of your day.

621
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: Really appreciated it, Jess. You'd be surprised who remembers that

622
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: as well afterwards. Even if you're not successful, that courtesy

623
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: will often sit in the memory of people and you

624
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: never know when you're going to interview with them again.

625
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: Exactly Well, we'll be back after a very short break

626
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: to chat through a few more of the specific curly

627
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: questions that you might want to prepare for your job interview. Alrighty,

628
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: so this one can be controversial. V. Should we be

629
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: asking about the salary in the interview and about things

630
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: like career progression or does that make us look a

631
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: little bit dodge.

632
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: I don't think it makes you look dodgy and it's fickle.

633
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 3: I think you have to understand the situation and make

634
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: a judgment call in the moment. For me, I don't

635
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: want to ask about salary upfront and ever have. But also,

636
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: what if you're going for this job and you're expecting

637
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: it to be eighty thousand dollars and you know that's

638
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: the amount of money that you need to earn because

639
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: you've got a family and you've got kids, and that's

640
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: the expectation. And then you know, you get three interviews

641
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: in and find out their budget's fifty grand. Like, neither

642
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: of those are bad salaries, it's not the thing, but

643
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: you were going in with an expectation. So I think

644
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: asking is really important. I love when you go through

645
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 3: a recruiter, not because it is an easier process, Like

646
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: as an employer, I don't love using recruiters. But if

647
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: you're working with a recruiter, have a chat with them

648
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 3: about salary and you can get that done off the bat.

649
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: You don't even have to ask in the interview. But

650
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: if you're not, I think just measuring it, seeing how

651
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: it's going and asking, but not saying hey, how much

652
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 3: does this job pay? But saying hey, I'd love to

653
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: have a chat about salary expectations from your business's perspective,

654
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: like what is this role worth? Is a really good

655
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: way of putting it on the table without saying, hey, Jess,

656
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: how much am I going to get paid? Because you

657
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: need to come across as though you're asking for the

658
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: right reasons, not just because you're hoping to get money

659
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: out of the situation. And I know that that is

660
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: hard because we are a money podcast and we're all

661
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: about empowering you. But I do believe that there is

662
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: a right and a wrong way to ask that question,

663
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: because you also want to be taken seriously, but also

664
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: you want to make sure that you're on the front foot,

665
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: not going, oh yeah, I'll just take whatever you're paying,

666
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: Like you need to be assertive and have that conversation,

667
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: and I think that that starts with you doing your

668
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: research before going in and before having that conversation. Like,

669
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: there are so many different tools and resources out there.

670
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: I know there is glass Door Seek has some really

671
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: good examples of what a job is worth. If that

672
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: particular job doesn't have a salary on it either, I

673
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: would look up similar salaries on SEK and see what

674
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: other jobs are paying for very similar roles. Then there's

675
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: also Hayes. They are a recruitment company and each and

676
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: every single year Lisa's salary guide for what on average

677
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: those employees in Australia are being paid. And it's actually

678
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 3: really comprehensive and really helpful, but there are a number

679
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: of ways for you to find out what that role

680
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: is worth and then base your conversation around that. The

681
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: only thing I would say to completely avoid is sharing

682
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 3: with the interviewer how much money you're currently on, because

683
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: that is not relevant unless you're actually on a really

684
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: really great salary and you're just like for lack yep, cool,

685
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: Like I'm currently being paid eighty grand and I would

686
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: like to expect the same. I think is fine, But

687
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: if you're increasing in salary, I don't think it's relevant

688
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: to give an idea of what you were being paid.

689
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: You're going to give that interviewer the idea that either

690
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: you're worthless or your expectations should be less because well,

691
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: she wasn't being paid that much before, and that's not

692
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: fair and that is not reasonable. Like you should just

693
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: be paid what that job is worth from my perspective. Agreed.

694
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: So Janelle for maur Group has done her fair share

695
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: of interviews over the course of her journey, and she

696
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: said that when she interviews people, she likes to see confidence,

697
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: but not arrogance. And she said, we need to remember

698
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: that the employer needs you almost more than you need them.

699
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 2: You're an employer, what makes candidates stand out?

700
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: I would agree with the confidence, not arrogance, Like there

701
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 3: is a line, and I think that being confident in

702
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: yourself and being confident in your responses doesn't need for

703
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: you to be arrogant. Like arrogance is very easy to spot,

704
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 3: and it actually puts me off completely, Like I don't

705
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: want someone arrogant working for my business because my employees

706
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: are a reflection of me as a person. Like if

707
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: I don't have a nice team, then I can't be

708
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 3: a nice person, right, Like I would want people to

709
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 3: experience And this maybe is just too deep, but I

710
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: feel like it has served me well thus far, Like

711
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, Jess, you are a

712
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: reflection of my business and me as a person. And

713
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 3: I know that you should separate your work in your

714
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 3: personal life and stuff like that, But with what I do,

715
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: especially if She's on the Money, like, it's so deeply

716
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: connected to my own values that of course I want

717
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: people in She's on the Money who are exactly like me,

718
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: or who are on the same wavelength. And you know,

719
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 3: everyone in our team is so different, but they are

720
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: all at a base level kind and honest and true.

721
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 3: And I would say that nobody on our team is arrogant.

722
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: But I think it's really important to remember that the

723
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: thing that makes a candidate stand out for me is

724
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 3: just honesty. It is honesty, it's truthfulness, it is kindness.

725
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 3: It is not actually their skills, it is not their ability.

726
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: But something that really puts me off is arrogance. Is

727
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: that bad to say?

728
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: No, I think that's very true. And I think, as

729
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: you said, like, you don't want to hire somebody that

730
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: you know is mean or that's not going to slot

731
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: in and make your other employees uncomfortable. So that's completely relevant.

732
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: And I guess now in twenty twenty one, especially COVID Life,

733
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: Zoom interviews are so incredibly common at the moment, and

734
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: it's a lot harder to engage with people when you're

735
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: talking to them through a screen. Any tips that you

736
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: can give us that are applicable to Zoom specifically.

737
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 3: Yes, And these are just general housekeeping things, not things

738
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: to do on the actual Zoom call. So first things first,

739
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: be prepared. So just because it's on Zoom doesn't mean

740
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: you don't need to prepare as much. You still need

741
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: to do the same research. You still need to get

742
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 3: dressed up. Like I know in the age of Zoom,

743
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: we're very good at like business on top, party down

744
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: below where we're still in now, like yoga pants or

745
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 3: our pajama pants. But for me, I feel like if

746
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: I'm doing a presentation, I feel so much more put together.

747
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 3: When I put a whole outfit on, I feel so

748
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: much more confident, Like give yourself that gift of confidence

749
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 3: and get yourself ready. I know that it can take

750
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: a little bit more, but like it's worth it because

751
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: it's your first impression, and I know they're not going

752
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: to see your pants, but it is absolutely the confidence

753
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: of wearing a nice outfit. Right then, I think it's

754
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: important to log in early. I'm not saying be on

755
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: Zoom waiting for them staring at the wall awkwardly, but

756
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: make sure that you're sitting at your computer five or

757
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: ten minutes early and that everything is in check. If

758
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: you need a glass of water, putting that there and

759
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: actually setting up your environment, then I would make sure

760
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: that I test Zoom. So if you google Zoom test,

761
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: you will actually come up with a Zoom test link

762
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: so that you can test Zoom from your house without

763
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: having any repercussion. So you can make sure that the

764
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: sound is okay. You can make sure that the video

765
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 3: quality is okay. You make sure the lighting is good.

766
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: Lighting is so important, speaking of a window, stand in

767
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: front of a window. If you need to drag your

768
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: desk around so that everything is well lit and it

769
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: looks appealing to look at, that is great because there

770
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: is nothing worse than doing a zoom with someone you're

771
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: kind of like squinting to see them because the light

772
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: is behind them and their faces shadowed out. You want

773
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 3: to give your potential employer as much opportunity to read

774
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: your face and read your language and read your body

775
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 3: language and understand you as a person. And good lighting

776
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 3: is going to do that. It's not just because you'll

777
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: look cuter, but you obviously will extracute with natural light.

778
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 3: And make sure that you're asking if you've got housemates,

779
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: make sure they know you've got that interview on and

780
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: they don't just like pop into the lounge room and

781
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: start making pancakes behind you, like, ask them to be

782
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: respectful for that period of time and prepare them because

783
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: I know in twenty twenty one, in the age of

784
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: zoom and COVID, it's very common to houseshed, but also

785
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 3: make sure that they're prepared. Then making sure your background

786
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: is neat and tidy. A white wall is absolutely perfect,

787
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: but if you do have things in the background, making

788
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 3: sure that they're not too personalized, making sure that they're

789
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: not taking the attention off you. And if you're like

790
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 3: me and you have a whole heap of pets, make

791
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 3: sure they are locked in another room or put outside

792
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: for that day, because you don't want them coming and

793
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 3: getting in the way of your interview, no matter how

794
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 3: cute they are.

795
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: I promise, all right, And before we finish up, the

796
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: rejection is a part of the game. It's a really

797
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: competitive market out there right now, and I just want

798
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: to say it's not a reflect on you if you

799
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: don't get the job. It's really tough out there right now.

800
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: But are there any things we can do to kind

801
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: of help us deal with that feeling that you're going

802
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: to get when you get rejected.

803
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 3: Being rejected sucks. It doesn't matter how prepared you are

804
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: or how perfect you were. It's actually not about you.

805
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: It's all about them. And I think remembering that is

806
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: really really important and not thinking that it was for nothing,

807
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: Like think about the experience you would have gained from that.

808
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: That was a really high pressure situation and I'm sure

809
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: you absolutely killed it. Maybe think about the areas that

810
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 3: next time you could improve on. But also kudos to you.

811
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: Doing an interview is tough, and the more we do something,

812
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: the more comfortable and confident we are. So we know

813
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 3: that the next interview you go into you're going to

814
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 3: be even more prepared. How good is that next is

815
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 3: don't be afraid to us the interviewer, about how you

816
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: could improve for future interviews. So I think accepting rejection

817
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 3: gracefully is a talent that not enough people have. So

818
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: for example, let's say that you didn't get the job

819
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: with me, and you had done an interview with me

820
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: and Ryan, you'd met, we'd had a coffee together. I

821
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 3: think when you get that rejection email, instead of being

822
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: like oh no and not doing anything about it, I

823
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: think responding to that email is actually really important. You're

824
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 3: not begging for the job. You don't want to change

825
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: the outcome, but like, thank you so much for taking

826
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 3: the time to let me know that that's the outcome

827
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: of this interview. I really really enjoyed meeting you and

828
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: your company. I'd be very happy for you guys to

829
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 3: keep my resume on file because I would welcome the

830
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: opportunity of a role if it ever comes up and

831
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: I'm the right fit again. But then also saying, hey,

832
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: if you have the time, would it be okay if

833
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: you gave me a little bit of feedback around why

834
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: I didn't get the role so that in the future

835
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: I could improve on those skills and they might come

836
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: back to you and say, hey, Jess, there's actually nothing

837
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 3: that you could improve on. You were actually so good.

838
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: It's just that we had an applicant who had far

839
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: more experience than you. Yeah, and that is such a

840
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: great outcome because then you know, well, actually wasn't me,

841
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: Like somebody else got it. And I'm so happy for

842
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: them because at the end of the day, like they're

843
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: going to flourish in that role, and that company got

844
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 3: exactly what they needed. It's not a reflection of you,

845
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: and I think that if you did do something that

846
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: maybe turned the interviewer off, I'd prefer to know so

847
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: that they don't make that mistake next time. So, from

848
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: my perspective, asking for feedback is really important, But only

849
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: asking for feedback when you've actually done an interview is

850
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: important as well, because often you'll find that people send

851
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: their resume off and it's riddled with mistakes or it

852
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: doesn't fit the role description properly and you never heard back.

853
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 3: Asking for feedback in that situation I don't think is appropriate,

854
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: but definitely if you met with the person and actually

855
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: went through the interview. I think the most important thing here, though, Jess,

856
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: is remembering that this is actually often completely out of control.

857
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: Like all you can do is put your best foot

858
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: forward and prepare and remember that it's not always about

859
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 3: you being bad. Not getting the job is not a

860
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 3: bad outcome, but at the end of the day, something

861
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: better is coming. And I'm a very big believer that

862
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: if one door doesn't open for you, we just need

863
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 3: to wait for the right door for you to come along. So, Jess,

864
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 3: I do think that that is all we have time

865
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 3: for today. But just before we head off, we'd like

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Speaker 3: We'll see you next week, guys. Bye mm hmm