1 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: We're going to have some problems in today's I'll do 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: a bit at tomorrow. We're quibbling over whose story Today's 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: I'll do it at tomorrow is, and it's mine. I 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: can tell you that right now. The other thing is 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: if I leave your microphone, if I get it, oh 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: that's unfair. Let me send it on. 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: Your stay with us. 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: This is doctor Justin Coilson. I'm here with my wife 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: and mum who our six kids. Had a really cool 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: experience the other day. We've gone for our bike ride 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: because you're now getting fit. And following the bike ride, 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: I went and had my swim down at the local pool, 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: bashed out a couple of kays in the pool, and 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: on the way back, I thought, I'll stop and check 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: the surf, because not that I have time to do everything, 16 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: but I'm going to have a look at the surf. 17 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: And it was really good, and I wanted to hang 18 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: around there for a while, but I had work to do. 19 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: But I was standing there and somebody said, oh my goodness, 20 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: I can't believe who I'm standing. And I just love 21 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: it when people know who I am and want to 22 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: say hi, because we've made a difference in their lives 23 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: And it was Jess who listened to the podcast visiting 24 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: the Sunshine Coast from Melbourne with her husband and they 25 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: had a great chat while we watched the surf and 26 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: it was just it's just beautiful. I love when people 27 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: say hi. Thanks for saying hi, Jess. All right, I'd 28 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: about it tomorrow. For those of you who knew to 29 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: the pod, this is where we have a look at 30 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: the week that was, talk about what worked and what 31 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: didn't and how it can be better parents. It's about 32 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: intentionality and mindfulness in our parentings so that we can 33 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 1: I don't know, raise happy, resilient kids. That's the goal. 34 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: So I guess we're going to have to share this one. 35 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: Well, I've got the piece of paper to prove it's 36 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: my story. 37 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, the piece of paper was given to me that 38 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: you didn't read this, not that I didn't read it. 39 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: It was about timing. It was timing. So here's the deal. 40 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,919 Speaker 1: On what day was it? Monday? I think it was Monday. 41 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: You had to go down to Brisy. Our youngest two 42 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: you took them with you. One of them decided to 43 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: stay Grandma's for a couple of days. But our ten 44 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: year old Emily got to hang out with one of 45 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: her best he's in our old neighborhood. While she was there, 46 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: they played roadblocks. I think did they play roadblocks? No, 47 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: they talked about roadblocks. They talked about roadblocks and none stop. 48 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: And that night, I don't know you'd gone for a 49 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: walk with Abby, our second eldest, along the beach, and 50 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: Emily came into the office right before I was about 51 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: to run a webinar, And right at the start of 52 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: the webinar, just before we pressed go, she walked in 53 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: and said, Dad, I need to talk to you. Have 54 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: to talk to you. And I said, not a great time. 55 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: She handed me a piece of paper. She just hates 56 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: holding the pencil of the pan, hates writing anything. Winges complains, winds, moans, 57 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: and we'll do anything to get out of writing. Except 58 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: that on Monday night she had me this list with 59 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: fourteen perfectly the best handwriting she's ever done, fourteen beautifully 60 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: written statements about why she should have roadblocks. And all 61 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: this week, I mean, we've had tantrums, she's run away 62 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: from the house. It's been the roadblocks, wars have begun. 63 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: That's my story, that's my older. But it's tomorrow. 64 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: How are you going to be better? 65 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: Actually, my very simple take home message is that I'm 66 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: still going to say no. Why because sometimes his parents 67 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: just got to say no. Because you're interested in protecting 68 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: your kids, keeping them safe. That's our job. And when 69 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: it comes to issues of kids being online, I'm sorry, 70 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: but I know that I know that Emily's the only 71 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: kid on the planet who's not on roadblocks. I mean, 72 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: she's given us the list of every single one of 73 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: her friends who is on roadblocks, and it's a comprehensive list. 74 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: And she's also promised us and assured us that she'll 75 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: only play in public. She'll play with sound off. She's 76 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: not going to friend anybody that she doesn't know. She's 77 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: aware of it. 78 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: She watched parental guidance. 79 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: She was pro she's aware of the risks, dangers and 80 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: concerns that we have. But as a parent, sometimes you 81 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: just say no. And she's ten and I said no, 82 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: and so I'm the worst out in the world. She 83 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: knows that I still love her. We've had cuddles and 84 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: we've had good talks, but I'm the worst out in 85 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: the world, and my older better tomorrow is I'm okay 86 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: with that for now. I mean, it's really sad. Conversations 87 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: are ongoing, negotiations have not yet ceased, but I'm feeling 88 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: a little bit worn down by it, to be honest, 89 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: because this is the thing when parents don't band together, 90 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: when parents don't form community. See what I'm doing here, 91 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm blaming every parent that's listening to this podcast right now, 92 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: the let's their kids beyond roadblocks because I'm struggling with it. 93 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: I don't want her to be on there. It's just 94 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: it is literally, by design, a place where people with 95 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: ill intent, adults with ill intent can access and communicate 96 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: with a huge number of children at scale. That's what happens. 97 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: And is it likely that our child will be approached? 98 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't want to take that risk. 99 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: To me, it's too big of a risk. Anyway, that's 100 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: my older bit tomorrow. I don't know if that was 101 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: a fun one or an inspiring one, or if I 102 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: just sound like a big grump kylie, what's your old 103 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: habit tomorrow? 104 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: Well, let me read you the list. 105 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: Never done one like this before, By the way, I'm 106 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: usually upbeat. I'm really inspired. I'm trying to help everyone 107 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, you can do this. Let's say the list. 108 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: Number one, I'll only play Brookhaven with Patrick and my 109 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 2: street friends Jessic, Sasha, Ali, Harper, and Olivia and some 110 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: other friends. There's a few in there there are. Number two. 111 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: Some games don't even give the talking ability. Number three. 112 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell someone my whole life story 113 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: so that they can kidnap me or say mean things. 114 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: Number four. If they say inappropriate things, then I will 115 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 2: tell you, and I can contact roeblocks and they will 116 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 2: be banned forever. Number five. I will ban everyone who 117 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: I don't know from my house. Number six. No one 118 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: has the same user names, so I will memory all 119 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: my friends usernames. Number seven. They have smooth and amazing graphics. 120 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: I love this, smooth and amazing graphics. 121 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: I've got to be allowed. 122 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 2: Number eight. I can make my own characters looks and 123 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: save them, and I can make more. Number nine. There 124 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: are no inappropriate clothing options, and you can change your 125 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: face and have children and even pets. Number ten. I 126 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 2: won't spend your actual money on roadblocks. Number eleven it's 127 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: like living my dream future. And house twelve it'll be 128 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 2: perfect for long car drives. Thirteen. Anyone can watch me 129 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: play so nothing bad happens and fourteen everyone has it 130 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: all right. 131 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: Well, I've got my own list. Are you ready for this? 132 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: This is something that I'm taking from Hindenburg Research. I've 133 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: talked about them on the podcast recently. Hindenburg Research is 134 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: a stock market analyst company, and they basically point to 135 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: companies that are going to be in trouble soon, and 136 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: they're holding that Roadblocks will be that. 137 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: You've got ninety seconds. 138 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: You're not hijack Hinderberg Research dot com slash Roadblocks Beyond 139 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: inflated key user metrics. Hindenburg's in game research revealed an 140 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: X rated pedophile healthscape, exposing children of grooming, pornography, violent content, 141 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: extremely abusive speech. Number two, Roadblocks is compromising child safety 142 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: and order report growth to investigators per their interview with 143 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: a former senior product designer who said, and I quote, 144 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: if you're limiting users engagement, it's hurting your metrics. In 145 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: a lot of cases, the leadership doesn't want that. Number three. 146 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: Roadblocks reported a two percent year over year decline and 147 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: its trust and safety expenses. Number four. Core of the 148 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: problem is that Roadblocks's social media features allow pedophiles to 149 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: efficiently target hundreds of children with no upfront screening to 150 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: prevent them from joining the platform Number five. For example, 151 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, prior to Roadblocks going public, a twenty 152 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: nine year old was caught by police with one hundred 153 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: and seventy five hours of video footage of Hymn grooming 154 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: and engaging in explicit behavior with one hundred and fifty 155 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: miners using online platforms, namely Roadblocks. Number six, Media and 156 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 1: nonprofit expose as from twenty twenty three to July twenty 157 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: twenty four revealed digital strip club, red light districts, sex parties, 158 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: and child predators lurking on Roadblocks. The National Center on 159 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: Sexual Exploitation in twenty twenty four labeled roeblocks quote a 160 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: tool for sexual predators a threat for children's safety close 161 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: quote number seven. Numerous criminal indictments from twenty nineteen through 162 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty four alleged that sexual predators groomed children 163 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: in game ranging from eight to fourteen year olds, then kidnapped, raped, 164 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: or traded sexual content with them. Next one, Following years 165 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: of scandals, Hindenberg performed their own checks to see if 166 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: the platform had cleaned up its act. As a test, 167 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: they attempted to set up an account under the name 168 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, only to see the name was taken along 169 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: with nine hundred plus variations Let's go again. Many were 170 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein fan accounts, including jeff Epstein's Supporter, which had 171 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: earned multiple badges for spending time in kids games. Other 172 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: jeff Epstein accounts had the username I groom Miners and 173 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm not even going to say the other one because 174 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: it's so offensive. It makes me want to weep. And 175 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: I can just keep on going and going and going. 176 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: We'll link to it. Hindenburg Research dot Com slash roadblocks. 177 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm getting passionate, passionate about it. You only gave me 178 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: ninety seconds, but I could keep on going. He listen 179 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: to this one. In the game Beat Up the Pregnant, 180 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: users hated pregnant women to death in a Walmart parking 181 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: lot with machetes or killed them with frying pans or 182 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: a selection of guns. What about this one? We played 183 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: guns Work at Hospital, say the Hindenburg team, where users 184 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: can go on a hospital shooting rampage. The game has 185 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: more than one point six million visits and remains on 186 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: the platform with no age restrictions. The game's thumbnail is 187 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: a picture of a terrified pregnant woman. Parents have no 188 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: idea how bad this thing is, and that's why their 189 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 1: kids are on there. 190 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: Now. 191 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: I know that there's all sorts of restrictions, I know 192 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: there's all sorts of ways that you can keep your 193 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: kids safe, and I know that forty million plus kids 194 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: are on there every single day. I don't care. I'm 195 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: not letting my daughter on there. 196 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for that comprehensive list. 197 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: You're welcome. I'll do better tomorrow. Mate, How are you 198 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: going to be odd? 199 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: I don't even know where to go from. 200 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: Well, you wanted to talk about the list, and you 201 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: want to talk about the emotions, and you're right. I 202 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: have hijackted and I love hijacked it because I'm so 203 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: frustrated with the fact that this product is out there 204 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: and it is mass marketed to our kids, and parents 205 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: are blase and apathetic and say, no, it'll be fine. 206 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: So the challenge is, it's easy to assume, based on 207 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: the fact that Emily has brought me this big, long 208 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 2: list of all the reasons why she should be able 209 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: to play Roadbox, that this is about a video game, 210 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: but it's actually not and that is the challenge as parents. 211 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 2: Our children give us stimulus on any given day, and 212 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: we either accept it for what it appears to be, 213 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: or we take the time to explore, explain, and empower 214 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: our kids as we recognize what the core root is. 215 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 2: So I sat down with Emily after she had run 216 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: away from home for half an hour or so. She 217 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: came back and I said, we need to have a 218 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 2: little cuddle, and she came and lay on the bed 219 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: with me and we started to talk about her list, 220 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: but she got really really upset and didn't want to 221 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: and she turned her back to me, and I just said, Emily, 222 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: I said, is this really about roadblocks? Or is this 223 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: about the fact that you miss your friends? And she 224 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: pretty much burst into tears. There are so many awesome 225 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: things about homeschooling, and she recognizes it and loves it, 226 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: but there are also some really big challenges. She doesn't 227 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: like being the new kid in the room. She doesn't 228 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: want to invest in meeting new friends if they're not 229 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: going to be lifelong friends. There's some really big challenges 230 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: for her around this, and so starting to infiltrate new 231 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: homeschool groups and things is a really, really big deal. 232 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: For her, and so we haven't spent a lot of 233 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: time looking in that space. She's spent a lot of 234 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 2: time on her own and she's been really happy doing it. 235 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: But as time has gone on, there is this a 236 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: deep hohole, this big gape in her life where she 237 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: wants her friends, but she's the only one who's not 238 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 2: at school, and it's really really hard to sit there 239 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: and navigate that space when there's so many other challenges 240 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: going on. So this started off about roadblocks, but it's 241 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: actually not about roadblocks. This is about a little girl 242 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 2: who is desperate for connection. And I think the power 243 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 2: comes when we can sit in those hard places with 244 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: our kids and have hard conversations and help them to 245 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: understand why they're so passionate about whatever it is that 246 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: they're talking about. She thought that this was about roadblocks, 247 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: but as we explored it together, there was a recognition 248 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: and that this is actually not really about roadblocks. 249 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, for the record, I just love everything that you've said, 250 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: and I also know it's not about roadblocks, but roadblocks 251 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: it's just such a big problem. I want to read 252 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: more stats to you. That's how fastrated I am. But 253 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: ultimately my older better tomorrow to come out of that 254 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: is the answer will be known for her because of 255 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: that and more, and because roadblocks won't solve the problem. 256 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: You know. 257 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: One of the things she said to me, she said, 258 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 2: I just want to be normal, And I said, what 259 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: does that mean? She said, well, I just want parents 260 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 2: who actually don't care what I watch and what I play. 261 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: Because that's in her mind, that's what she's seeing. She 262 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: just thinks that her friends are allowed to do whatever 263 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: they want when they want, which is. 264 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: Not the case, no, of course not, but from her 265 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: that their parents don't care. 266 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 2: No, But from her perspective, that's what she sees because 267 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: we're putting limitations on her that her other friends don't have. 268 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: Just to be normal. 269 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: I'll do better tomorrow understanding your kids. And by the way, 270 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: that conversation led to some of the best hugs, and 271 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: it was beautiful to lay on the bed and just 272 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: listen to her and have her pour her heart out 273 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: to us. It was a highlight, a highlight of the week. 274 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: The Happy Families podcast is produced by Justin Roland from 275 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: Bridge Media. I hope you have a great weekend. We'll 276 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: be back with you on Monday.