1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: It is the week that was. And what a lineup 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: we've got for you this morning. For the Labor Party, 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: we have got the Member for Solomon, Luke Gosling. 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: Good morning to you. Good to have you on the show. 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 3: To be back from Canberra. 6 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: Hey and a bit warmer, definitely a bit warmer because 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: of Parliament took me because of the weather. 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: We've got Jared. 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Mayley, the will Minister for various portfolios, the Deputy Chief Minister. 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: Good to see you this morning, Jared. 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 4: Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners. 12 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: And we've got Matt Cunningham from Sky News. Matt, you've 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: been almost missing in action. We haven't seen you for 14 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: a few weeks. 15 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 2: Mate. 16 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 5: Well, I was waiting for you to get a few 17 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 5: more blokes on the panel, Katy, before I agreed to 18 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 5: come back on. 19 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 3: I mean, let's be honest. 20 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 5: Will be living now though living now with the forgotten. 21 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: Men have spoken, well, they certainly have, and we might 22 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: kick off with that. 23 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: We know that. 24 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: Carmela Harris obviously forced to concede the election to Donald Trump, 25 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: saying she respects the result but would not give up 26 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: the fight that fueled her campaign. She said, the outcome 27 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: of this election is not what we wanted, not what 28 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: we fought for, not what we voted for. But hear 29 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: me when I say, the light of America's promise will 30 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: always burn bright as long as we never give up, 31 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: as long as we always keep fighting. There's a lot 32 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: to analyze, I think, out out of this American election. 33 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: But what I think I would say is that we've 34 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: seen here in the Northern Territory, we've seen in Queensland, 35 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: We've now seen in America the rise of the working class, 36 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: would you call it the middle class saying we've had enough, 37 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: We don't want to be sort of told how we 38 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: need to think and what we need to do. And 39 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: they're even prepared to vote for somebody who is a 40 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: convicted felon in Donald Trump, because they felt as though 41 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: Carmela Harris maybe wasn't going to represent them in the 42 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: way that they wanted. 43 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 4: I think it's a clear message that people just want 44 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 4: to be left alone to get on with their lives 45 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 4: and do not want to be told what to do 46 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 4: and what to think. If you want to go and 47 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 4: have a go and create a new job or a 48 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 4: new pathway for yourself, go and have a go, have 49 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 4: a crack and I think that's what's happening. I think 50 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 4: that pendulum is swinging back from the wake side back 51 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 4: into you go out and have a go and encourage 52 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: people to make a go of their life. 53 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: Do you reckon it's also I mean the cost of 54 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: living discussion was a huge part of it as well. 55 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: From what I can gather, the same as what we're 56 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: saying here in Australia. 57 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: Obviously, when we do head to the. 58 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: Federal polls, there's no doubt that, you know, like we've 59 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: seen a lot of similarities. I think despite all of 60 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: our differences across the different campaigns, there's a lot of 61 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: similarities in the different campaigns we're seeing around the place. 62 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 6: Cost of living wise, there's a big difference. Federally. It 63 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 6: just flew back from Camber. We had Parliament this week 64 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 6: and Dunden and that mob the Federal Coalition have opposed 65 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 6: every single cost of living thing that we've put up. 66 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 6: So that's card and student, that's getting tax cuts for everyone, 67 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 6: cheaper medicines, three hundred dollars off your power bills, every 68 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 6: single thing that we've legislated, they've opposed. 69 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: So I don't know. 70 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 6: I think Dunn doesn't think it's about cost of living. 71 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 6: You must think everyone's going fine. 72 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: What do you reckon? 73 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: Like, what do you make of the election result in 74 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: the US? And do you look at it in any 75 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: ways in Australia and think how could things be similar? 76 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: Though as we do head to a federal election next year. 77 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 6: He's always got to be in touch with the pressures 78 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 6: and the wants and desires of the population. And I 79 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 6: think there was in the States a bit of a 80 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 6: feeling like you guys, yeah, you're not really tapped into 81 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 6: the like our life and the pressures that were under 82 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 6: and when that happens, and I think to some extent 83 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 6: we saw that in the NT election as well, you 84 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 6: have a strong pushback. And let's face it, democracy is 85 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 6: so great because it allows every single person doesn't matter 86 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 6: how much money you got, doesn't matter how you identify 87 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 6: or whatever, you just get a vote. And so people 88 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 6: have spoken in the US, I think they don't exactly 89 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 6: know what they're going to get, particularly the working classes, 90 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 6: Like there's a bit of a misunderstanding about what a 91 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 6: tariff actually is and the impact that that might have 92 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 6: on working people. So but they haven't got the education 93 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 6: levels generally that we have in Australia, we've got a 94 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 6: more educated populace that is able to distinguish, I think, 95 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 6: between an offering that says we understand your pain and 96 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 6: we've got all these costs of living policies to support 97 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 6: you and your families, versus well, we've heard really nothing 98 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 6: from the other side. 99 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: So do you worry though, that because something that I 100 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: found before the last Northern Territory election. I know I'm 101 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: sort of slipping between elections here, but. 102 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: Do you worry that. 103 00:04:58,880 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 5: You know? 104 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: What I heard really loudly and clearly before the last 105 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: Northern Territory election is that territories had had an absolute 106 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: gutful of sort of being told that issues were complicated 107 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: and they didn't quite understand them, and that they weren't 108 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: educated enough, or that they weren't maybe smart enough to 109 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: understand just how complicated those issues were to try to 110 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: deal with them. And I mean, even with what you've said, 111 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: they're talking about the tariffs and things like that that 112 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: maybe some people didn't understand exactly how they were voting. 113 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: Do you worry that ossies have actually had a bit 114 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: of a gutful of being told that they're maybe not 115 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 1: smart enough to understand things and that politicians know better. 116 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 4: I think exactly what you're saying. Luke's mob was talking 117 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 4: about that, you know, talking about the working class. I 118 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 4: think the Labor government have forgotten the working class. I 119 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 4: don't know what they are. They're all up in their 120 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 4: high mighty well doing or what they do. And you know, 121 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 4: Luca was talking about, you know, tax cuts that Labor 122 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 4: promised and then they changed their mind. So when you're 123 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 4: talking about the you know, the silent minority who go 124 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 4: out there and know what's happening, and then when you 125 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 4: promise something like the Labor government and then change your 126 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 4: mind and do something differ, That's what the silent minority 127 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 4: of people out there in Australia are going to pick 128 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 4: up on it. You can't go out there and don't 129 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 4: changed your mind because people. 130 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 3: Are going to hate tax cut. Really, really, what are 131 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 3: you talking about, you even. 132 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 4: Ultimately, is about the silent minority been out there to 133 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 4: go out and do their business, make their money, look 134 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 4: after their family and keep their family safe, which is 135 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 4: unfortunately happening in the Northern Territory and in Queensland. Labor 136 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 4: failed him. Relating to that and Labor's failing and federally 137 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 4: as well. 138 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 5: I think I think on the tax cut issue, like 139 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 5: I think the tax cut issue, Stage three tax cuts 140 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 5: is an example of a labor government doing what a 141 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 5: labor government should do, which which is basically look after 142 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 5: those who are less well off. And the changes that 143 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 5: labor made even though they broke an election promise. Anthony 144 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 5: Albaneze had said countless times that there'd be no changes 145 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 5: to the Stage three tax cuts. But but the changes 146 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 5: he made basically read distributed some of that money from 147 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 5: higher income earners to middle and lower income earners. That 148 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 5: that that is the bread and butter of a labor government. 149 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 5: But I do think that we are seeing we have 150 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 5: seen and I think we've seen it in the Northern Territory, 151 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 5: We've seen it in Queensland, We've seen it now in 152 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 5: the United States. I do think there is at some 153 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 5: level a rejection from working class people, predominantly male people, 154 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 5: a rejection of a new kind of identity politics that 155 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 5: left leaning parties have fallen into. And that's not just 156 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 5: my view, I mean cos Samaras right, who predicted the 157 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 5: outcome of the Northern Territory election nine months ahead of time, 158 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 5: said it was going to be an former labor strategist 159 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 5: and upholster, and he said it was going to be 160 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 5: an absolute landslide CLBP victory based on his piling, and 161 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 5: he said that the baseball bats are out. He said 162 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 5: this after the US election. He says that Donald Trump's 163 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 5: victory revealed a deepening divide between traditional working class voters 164 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 5: and the established left leaning parties, a trend he says 165 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 5: he's reshaping politics across the Western world, including in Australia. 166 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 5: The Queensland state election underscored a growing separation between urban 167 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 5: progressives and the working poor in regional areas, traditional labor 168 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 5: aligned parties are now drawing support largely from university education 169 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 5: educated professionals, while leaving regional and working class voters feeling 170 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 5: neglected and unheard. And I think we've seen a bit 171 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 5: of that in the Northern Territory. I think we've seen 172 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 5: a lot of it in Queensland, and we've seen it 173 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 5: in spades in the United States. And to use an 174 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 5: example here with territory labor, there are large parts of 175 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 5: territory labor who oppose the onshore gas industry. And I 176 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 5: find that for the Labor Party, I find that and 177 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 5: I'd be interested to hear Luke's few and I know 178 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 5: he's a supporter of the onshore gas industry, But there 179 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 5: is a large part of the Labor Party that is 180 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 5: fundamentally absolutely opposed to onshore gas fracking, which is an 181 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 5: industry that has the potential to deliver thousands of well 182 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 5: paid blue collar jobs to people who would traditionally be 183 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 5: labor voters. And yet there's a large section of that 184 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 5: party now who just says no way, because they've sort 185 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 5: of fallen in you know, I think they're more worried 186 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 5: about the Greens on their left flank than they are 187 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 5: about looking after their traditional base, and that's going to 188 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 5: be a real problem going forward for Labor. 189 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: Well, that's one example. 190 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: But then even when you look at before the last 191 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: Northern Territory election, when you've got a huge portion of 192 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory population experiencing severe issues with crime, and 193 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: then you've got an Attorney General that's coming out saying 194 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: jailing is failing and doing the very opposite to what 195 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: the community expects. Again, I think you go, like to me, 196 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: that goes back to listening to you know, listening to 197 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: people and listening to you know, no matter where you 198 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: come from. 199 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 5: Are most likely the victims of that crime are people 200 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 5: who live in less well off suburbs. I mean, it's 201 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 5: generally not people in Culum Bay and Bayview who are 202 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 5: the victims of crime. It's people living in Karama and 203 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 5: malacc you know, people who you know would traditionally be 204 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 5: labor voters. And we saw the NT election those seats 205 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 5: in the northern suburbs that have been Labour's heartland for 206 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 5: twenty four years just absolutely desert them because of that issue. 207 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 4: So it's a challenge of young blokes who in the 208 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 4: mining industry. Yesterday they are actually on site and they 209 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 4: are over there working for the American company. But they're 210 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 4: Australian boys and they are loving it. They do their 211 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 4: shifts out there, they're out working really hard in a 212 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 4: really tough job for what I could see, and that 213 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 4: they love what they're doing. Remember it's not only about 214 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 4: their employment, it's about the indirect employment of their friends 215 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 4: and their families. And they go and spend the money 216 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 4: at the mechanic, at the hairdresser, so it flows right 217 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 4: through the community. So this whole gas industry, which I 218 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 4: fully support and not only looks after its workers, But 219 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 4: what about all the indirect jobs. And we pass road 220 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 4: trains when I drive from how It Springs carrying all 221 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 4: sorts of stuff going out to the minds. I can 222 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: only assume all that indirect stuff is all result of 223 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 4: the mining. And remember I don't know those in but 224 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 4: the money they pay in GST and royalty pays for 225 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 4: the nurses, the doctors, the healthy system, the education system 226 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 4: and all the police. Sore. If you're going to cut 227 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 4: the mining, which labor you know, I want to do, 228 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 4: who's going to pay for the hill, Who's going to 229 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 4: pay for all the police, Who's going to pay for 230 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 4: the education which is super important? So you've got to 231 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 4: get that balanced right, And I. 232 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: Think is it a bit of a juggle at the 233 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: moment for the labor party when you do have you know, 234 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: very extreme left trying to pull you one way, and 235 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: then you've got you know, I would consider you to 236 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: be like quite a working class, you know, middle Australia. 237 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 2: Kind of bloke. Maybe I'm wrong. 238 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: Is it difficult, you know, when you've got the party 239 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: being pulled one way. 240 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 6: I think there's obviously been a bit of a tussle 241 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 6: go on because in urban areas, particularly down south. The 242 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 6: Greens who got a bit of a clipping which was 243 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 6: good to see in the Queensland election, you know, threatened 244 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 6: some labor seats and of course there is you know 245 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 6: then a bit of a reaction to say, well, I've 246 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 6: got to represent my constituency and that's our job, right. 247 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 6: But so I just got to pick up on something 248 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 6: I couldn't quite understand what Jerry was saying, that labor 249 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 6: has made significant investments in the Northern Territory like federal 250 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 6: labor I'm talking about because let's face it, the NT government, 251 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 6: they get the majority eighty percent of their funding from 252 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 6: the Commonwealth. So middle arm billions, those logistic hubs that 253 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 6: are going to make such a difference eight hundred and 254 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 6: forty million dollars going into our fewer rare earths. And 255 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 6: it goes a little bit to the real issue with 256 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 6: Donald Trump is what does it mean for us here 257 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 6: in the territory. I'm going to I think there'll be 258 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 6: more continuity than there will be change. Like, we're not Americans, 259 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 6: We're Australians. We're here in the Northern Territory. We've got 260 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 6: a long relationship with the United States, the Marines come 261 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 6: here and train, We're going to continue to see an 262 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 6: increase in interoperability. But that's only the military side. And 263 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 6: the alliance is strong and it will continue to be strong. 264 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 6: Our economic relationship is massive, like US investment in Australia 265 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 6: is huge, and actually Australian investment in US companies will 266 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 6: also be But then there's a critical minerals and the 267 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 6: renewables piece. Now that is another big pillar of the alliance, 268 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 6: and that'll continue to be strong. But I don't see 269 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 6: any evidence whatsoever that US federally are not going to 270 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 6: continue to lean in massively into the resources industry. I mean, 271 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 6: we need middle arm to work. We've put up a 272 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 6: substantial amount of money. And just getting back to the 273 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 6: crime thing, Cody, if I can quickly, because you and 274 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 6: I I've sat down with you and talked about how 275 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 6: I've been pushing in Canberra with our Attorney General to 276 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 6: get the then Attorney General Chancey to get the diversion 277 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 6: piece working. My only criticism of anyone who wants to 278 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 6: put kids into detentions one, we know that it can 279 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 6: it can have a negative effect. But what we've got 280 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 6: to do and I think and I think where we 281 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 6: went wrong is we lowered the age, but there weren't 282 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 6: there weren't the programs already in place well. 283 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: And we can thank Chancey for that because he had 284 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: said that there was going. 285 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 5: To be good. Take you back to another the point 286 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 5: you're making before, Luke about resources and middle arm and 287 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 5: just to come back to my point about that there 288 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 5: being a section, and I think it's a growing section 289 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 5: within territory labor who are opposed to such industries. I 290 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 5: mean a chance here's a tweet or a post that 291 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 5: Chancey put on Instagram, I think only a week or 292 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 5: two ago, says powers to exempt and fast tracked. These 293 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 5: are his words. Destructive projects like fracking and cotton expansion 294 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 5: are a massive blow for transparency, the rule of law 295 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 5: and community rights. That's that's one of the most senior 296 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 5: members of Territory Labor who's calling fracking and cotton destructive projects. 297 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,359 Speaker 5: What what's what's your response? 298 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: This is Chancey. 299 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 5: His words, quote unquote about projects. 300 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 6: This is about the territory control in the in the 301 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 6: concepts of the territory controller. 302 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 5: But it's it. But he is quoting the words destructive 303 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 5: projects when he talks about fracking and cotton. 304 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: Right, So. 305 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 6: Look, we all know that you need some checks and balances, right, 306 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 6: you don't want the environment wrecked, but you're also want 307 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 6: to have. 308 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 5: Do you think fracking and cotton are destructive projects? 309 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: Can? I just. 310 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 6: K's doing a good job of interviewing all of us, mate, that's. 311 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: What he's here for to help to help his sister out. 312 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 6: I don't really understand what the question is. So someone 313 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 6: someone in territory in someone in the territory opposition doesn't like. 314 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 5: As described as describers and describing describing fracking and cotton 315 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 5: as destructive projects. 316 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 6: So we've got a cotton industry that's pretty sustainable from 317 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 6: what I can see, And as long as things stack 318 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 6: up commercially and environmentally, then of course gas gas production 319 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 6: out of the Beaterloo is going to be a positive 320 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 6: thing for the territory, jobs and. 321 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 3: What have you. 322 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 6: But do we do we do need some environmental checks 323 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 6: and balances, and territories territorianes don't want our waterways before 324 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 6: we've had. Yeah, but I'm talking about Middle Arm. There's 325 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 6: lots of people that are concerned about Middle Arm. Middle 326 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 6: Arm is mostly most mostly middle Arm is mostly about 327 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 6: going to be powered by renewables and it's going to 328 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 6: be a great industry out there. 329 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 3: You do know anything about We are. 330 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: Going to have to a break in just a moment. 331 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: But can I just say that this goes to my 332 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: point right from the get go, that Labor is being 333 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: pushed quite left, right because you've got people that are 334 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: joining the Labor Party that are part of the Labor Party, 335 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: and rightly so right it's meant to be a party 336 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: that does represent people from all aspects of life. But 337 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: you've got somebody who was the former Attorney General saying 338 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 1: that projects like that are destructive. 339 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: And I get that. 340 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: You know that you are keen to have further jobs 341 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory and to get industry going. 342 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: But it goes right back to the point from the get. 343 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: Go that is the Labor Party being dragged way further 344 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: one way than what the middle class of Australia wants. 345 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 2: To be taken. 346 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 4: I can end that for you. 347 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, we might take a very quick break. 348 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty. 349 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: It is the week that was. 350 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: I can tell it's going to be a cracker the 351 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: rest of the hour in the studio with us this morning, 352 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: Luke Gousling, Jared Malee and Matt Cunningham. There is so 353 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: much to discuss this morning, but we might go to 354 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: the situation where the COLP reckon that they've identified two 355 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in savings as. 356 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: They've promised to rebuild the economy. 357 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: The Treasurer Bill Yan said that tough decisions were being 358 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: made to ensure that taxpayers money was put to the 359 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: right priorities and to help call back Labour's nine billion 360 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: dollars in debt. Now, the oppositions criticized the plans, saying 361 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: that during cyclone Marcus, a number of Darwin suburbs endured 362 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: power outages of up to eleven days due to infrastructure 363 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: damage caused by falling trees. Now, as part of these changes, 364 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: the COLP saying that they're not going to fund the 365 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: undergrounding of high voltage power lines, along with suspending negotiations 366 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: with the NBL about a local franchise and as a 367 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: result of that, deferring the upgrade to the Darwin Convention Center. 368 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 2: I mean, Jared, not everybody happy about. 369 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: The undergrounding of power lines no longer going ahead in 370 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: some of those oldest yeah. 371 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 4: So look, ultimately there's a bit of a misconception about this. 372 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 4: The Labor have portrayed this says they're going to underground 373 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 4: all the power lines in all the suburbs. If you 374 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 4: go down your normal little streets in northern suburbs, those 375 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 4: power lines that go underground. That was never the case. 376 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 4: This is about undergrounding the major power lines that go 377 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 4: along the high I'm so bag it Road and those 378 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 4: feeder lines you could call it, which in a cyclone, 379 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 4: you know, obviously they're at risks two, but it's not 380 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 4: the inside the suburbs. They were never ever the plan 381 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 4: to do that. And remember Labor had a forecast off 382 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 4: doing it for sixty odd million in a number of 383 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 4: years ago for all the suburbs thirteen. It was going 384 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 4: to cost millions and millions in millions. It would be 385 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 4: another prison blowout. It just to be horrific. So there's 386 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 4: a bit of misconception of how that's going to be. 387 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 4: So what we're going to do is put that back 388 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 4: because right now we need to spend money on health, 389 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 4: education and the police to keep people safe. And it 390 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 4: was never going to be driving to the normal suburbs 391 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 4: and all the power lines to suddenly disappear, because that 392 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 4: was just completely outside our vow. 393 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 5: How come you didn't didn't tell the at this before 394 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 5: the election. 395 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 4: Because ultimately we got into power and we've looked at 396 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 4: the books and the books have been cooked by the 397 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 4: Labor Party worse than you could ever imagine, so we've 398 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 4: had to go through. 399 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 2: You must have known. 400 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: Actually, you must have thought to yourself, well, hang on, 401 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: there's going to be a few things that we've got 402 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: to cut here. 403 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 4: Well this is this is about putting it off because 404 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 4: ultimately we're not cutting the power lines into the sub No. 405 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 5: But you must have known because you remember the costings 406 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 5: that came out in the week before the election, and 407 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 5: there was like two hundred million dollars of savings in 408 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 5: those costings. And we asked Mary Claire Boothby on this show, 409 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 5: you know, and you said, they said, oh, we're going 410 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 5: to cut Labour's pet projects and what are they? And 411 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 5: she wouldn't say, wouldn't and couldn't say. And now miraculously 412 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 5: we've got these two hundred million dollars worth of savings. 413 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 5: That would presume that you knew before the election that 414 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 5: you were going to cut these I. 415 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 4: Think what's happened is post election is that the Treasurer 416 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 4: had to sit down with the Treasury people and said, 417 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 4: give us a real accurate breakdown of what's happening out there. 418 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 4: Because remember, as opposition, you don't get that, you just 419 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 4: get to see what's in the media. So now sitting 420 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 4: with the actual books, with the actual treasury of looking 421 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 4: at what these are and for example, the sixty million 422 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 4: dollars or something that was never going to be, what 423 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 4: is going to be and to finish what the perception 424 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 4: was that undergrounding was millions and millions and millions and millions. 425 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 5: So did you have that discussion though as a wing 426 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 5: before the election saying look, these are the things we're 427 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 5: going to look at. We think that that undergrounding of power, No, 428 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 5: we might be excessive. You think the NBL and the 429 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 5: upgrade to the Convention Center might be No. 430 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 6: Not. 431 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 4: What we did do before election is go, we need 432 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 4: to look at pre prioritizing some of these things what 433 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 4: they are going to be. We need to get action, 434 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 4: have a look at the bigs because we don't want 435 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 4: to just do bit by bit. We want to look 436 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 4: at the big picture here to work out what can 437 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 4: we do to make the sheriff you're safer place. 438 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I. 439 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: Suppose the question people are going to be asking is 440 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: what else is going to be cut? Because when I 441 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: spoke to Billion yesterday, he did say, yes, there was 442 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: the money for the undergrounding of power lines. 443 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 2: He also spoke. 444 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: About, you know, the the NBL team no longer going 445 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: ahead and the infrastructure associated with that then at the 446 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: waterfront down there or at the convention center down there. 447 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: But then he also talked about some of the projects 448 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: that hadn't been costed by the labor party to it 449 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: sort of sounded like there was a number of things 450 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: that were still going to cost money rather than they're 451 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: being sort of, you know, further savings measures. So I 452 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: think people are going to start to wonder, we'll hang 453 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: on a see how are you going to save some 454 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: of that money? And they might not necessarily disagree. Like 455 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: a lot of the messages that we're receiving yesterday, we're like, well, Katie, 456 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: if your household budget can't afford an upgrade on you know, 457 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: on whatever, you're not going to spend it. So people 458 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: are pretty sort of you know, a stud However, they're 459 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: still going to be gone well, hang on a second, 460 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: job's going to be cuddle, what's going to go on? 461 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 4: This is about these unfunded commitments, and for example the NBL, 462 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 4: we're talking about what's actually committed in the budget. But 463 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 4: what labor have done on multiple front seas is they 464 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 4: do a project for five years, they put in the 465 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 4: budget for one year and it would be unfunded for 466 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 4: the next three or four years. And the NBL is 467 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 4: the classic example of this. Two hundred million is only 468 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 4: those three projects. But what they haven't done is they 469 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 4: haven't funded the extra eighty five million ied so moving forward, 470 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 4: so part of those savings are going to be is 471 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 4: we're actually going to take out the money that's in 472 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 4: the budget, but we're not going to put what's already 473 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 4: committed into the next future budget. If you understand what I'm. 474 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 5: Saying, the NBA are going to cost eighty five million 475 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 5: for years. Really that's what. 476 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 4: That's what the Treasury of explained it to me. So 477 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 4: it was a lot a lot of money. 478 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 5: Because there was Lebron James must have been coming to play. 479 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 4: So so that money is for those three projects, but 480 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 4: what we're doing is they are unfunded and they move forward. 481 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 4: So do you continue though you would have had to 482 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 4: fund them. So that's where all those sayings come in. 483 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 4: So the cuts we're talking about just those three because 484 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 4: there was a lot of money in the NBL, which 485 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 4: is the upgrade to the Convention Center, the actual end bill, 486 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 4: which was committed, and what is what wasn't committed, what 487 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 4: was actually it wasn't funded but committed to you understand? 488 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 4: Moving forward? 489 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: All right, Well, look it's going to be an interesting one. 490 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: I guess plenty of people will be keeping a very 491 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: close eye on just how those those funding announcements and 492 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,479 Speaker 1: different funding or changes or carts come into place and 493 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 1: what it may mean for them. But look, we might 494 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: move along because there is really so much to discuss 495 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: this morning. And one of the big news stories which 496 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: is making headlines right around the nation today is the 497 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: fact that the Albanezy government have announced the confirmation of 498 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: the age limit at a press conference on Thursday. When 499 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: it comes to social media, the latest step in the 500 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: government's increasing scrutiny on those major tech platforms. They've got 501 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: plans to introduce this legislation into parliament later this month. 502 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: The government have announced that the intent is to legislate 503 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: an age limit, but have been deliberating on where to 504 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: set the threshold with expectations. Expectations would be between fourteen 505 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: and sixteen. Now my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, 506 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: Luke said it is going to be sixteen years of 507 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: age before young people can go on social media. 508 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 6: The PM's obviously showing some leadership on this and has 509 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 6: got the premiers and Chief Ministers today and they're yarning 510 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 6: about it and seeing or he's obviously letting them know 511 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 6: the work that's been done to date on this. I 512 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 6: think it is an acknowledgement of what we're hearing from 513 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 6: parents all around the country that are really worried about 514 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 6: the social harm that comes from social media. Now, we 515 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 6: all know there's various ways that young people can not 516 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 6: only communicate with each other and send harmful things to 517 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 6: each other. We all understand that they're pretty tech savvy 518 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 6: and they've got lots of devices on which they can 519 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 6: sort of and a lot of that stuff's really positive, 520 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 6: and they're in touch with their mates and they're playing 521 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 6: games with their mates online. 522 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 3: But there are a lot. 523 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 6: Of bad people out there who can use social media 524 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 6: to harm others. 525 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 2: How is it going to be police? 526 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: That's a big thing for me because I've actually got 527 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: kids said of that age, and actually, in fact everybody 528 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: in this room does. So how exactly is it going 529 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: to be policed. 530 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 6: That's a good question that a lot of people are asking, 531 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 6: and I guess the PM is consulting today with the 532 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 6: premiers and First Ministers, who will have their own views 533 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 6: on how this will be best done. Obviously policing is 534 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 6: a state and territory responsibility, but federal law is going 535 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 6: to be important. We need to muscle up to the 536 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 6: big social media companies who have got a lot of 537 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 6: cloud who are going to push back against this. But 538 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 6: at the end of the day, it's about protecting our kids. 539 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 6: But that's something I'll be able to answer in a 540 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 6: bit more detail once we've got the draft legislation. 541 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 2: So I'm opposed to it. I actually don't think that 542 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 2: it's going to work. 543 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: I think that when you look at teenagers, when you 544 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: look at young people, I can't actually see how are 545 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: you going to be able to stop them from communicating 546 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: on different platforms? And like, I get what the government's 547 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: trying to do, and I totally understand it that you 548 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: know kids are accessing and able to see you know, 549 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: you look at some of the studies young boys able 550 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: to access things like pornographic material from when they're very young. 551 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: You know, girls seeing things online, looking at different body 552 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: shapes and how other women look and it being totally unrealistic. However, 553 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: they're going to be able to see those things with 554 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: the Internet. 555 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: No matter what. 556 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: And then when you look at some of the bullying 557 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: messages and things like that that are going on as well, 558 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: they've all got mobile phones, they're all still going to 559 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: be able to message each other that content. And then 560 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: in addition to that, there's all these gaming platforms where 561 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: predators can actually speak to them on their if you're 562 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: not keeping a close eye. 563 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: So I just sort of from a real. 564 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 6: Parental responsibilities ob center mental but it's reducing their exposure 565 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 6: to the methods by which people who want to do 566 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 6: some harm. And that might be some creep in his 567 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 6: bedroom who wants to prey on kids, or it could 568 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 6: be a bully, and so there's still going to be means, 569 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 6: but it's reducing the amount of exposure that our I. 570 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: Don't think I reckon, it's just going to mean they'll 571 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: go to different platforms and actually communicate with each other 572 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: in that way, and I know that my opinion may 573 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: not be a possiblity with their lawrance. 574 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 6: There will always be other ways that people can seek 575 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 6: to do to do things and connect with others. But 576 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 6: it's about reducing the number of platforms and having some 577 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 6: controls and putting a bit of power back into the parents' hands. 578 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: Well. Look, I see it as an overreach by government myself. 579 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: I see it as the government putting their hand into 580 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: my household and trying to tell me how to parent 581 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: my kids when I actually am very like I feel 582 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: as though I'm quite I'm quite good at supervising the 583 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: way in which they're doing it. I understand, I totally understand, 584 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: and I don't want to sound, you know, like a 585 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: wauser on this. I totally understand why the government's doing it, 586 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: and I totally understand the harms that social media bring 587 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: to so many homes, to so many young people. I'm 588 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: not discuating that, but I just think, if we can't 589 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: stop people from sharing crimes on platforms. 590 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 4: You know, and that's what they see, how are we 591 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 4: going to stop them from introduce that posting and basing legislation? 592 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 4: So I know, you know, Lukesma might be hard to enforce, 593 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 4: but our one is quite it's there. It's all in legislation, 594 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 4: and if you post a crime to glorify it, there's 595 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 4: going to be consequence and it gives the police actual 596 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 4: power to go and do that. And I understand that 597 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 4: just recently someone may have been charged under that new law. 598 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 4: So ultimately what we want to really do is during 599 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 4: the week charged under it. So we don't know what's 600 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 4: going to happen to go through the course system, but 601 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 4: really it compliments what we want to try and do 602 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 4: to make it so if you use the internet to 603 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 4: post and boast, it is going. 604 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 5: To be an I get your point, Katie, like I 605 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 5: do question how effective the law can be. I mean, 606 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 5: I think the government should be applauded for trying to 607 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 5: tackle it and trying to tackle the issue. I think 608 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 5: it's probably you know, what did Kevin Rudd called climate change? 609 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 5: You know, the greatest crisis of our time or something. 610 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 5: I think social media as trumped it by about fifty 611 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 5: people are literally dying every day due to social media. 612 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 5: I think when it comes to the regulation, I wonder, 613 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 5: and I know it's difficult, but I wonder whether the 614 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 5: government's efforts could be better directed at cracking down harder 615 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 5: on the social media companies. The great the great change 616 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 5: in social media was was not the initial invention of 617 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 5: social media. It was once these social media companies started 618 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 5: using the algorithm to shove more and more and more 619 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 5: and more content that was increasingly extreme down people's throats. Right, 620 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 5: so so, And there's been lots of examples of studies 621 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 5: done on this where you know, you you search one term, right, 622 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, you know in three clicks 623 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 5: you're being sent. You know you're being sent Nazi propaganda. 624 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 3: This is us taking on the social media. 625 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 5: Well, it is at an age level, but I'm wondering, Luke, 626 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 5: whether it's better. 627 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 3: Lots of conversations with whether whether it is. 628 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 5: Better to say okay you know meta or okay x 629 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 5: or whatever if you sent, because I find I've got 630 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 5: I don't have social media, but I've got a stalker 631 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 5: a Facebook out and. 632 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 2: Someone's stalking you or you're stalking others. 633 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 5: Just for professional purposes. But honestly, Katie, the only people 634 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 5: slash things I follow are boring Northern Territory politicians. 635 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: And you're talking about two people antique you. 636 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 5: But ninety percent of the content that comes up in 637 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 5: my feet is stuff I don't follow and have an 638 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 5: ass right, yeah, and I think we need to get 639 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 5: to a point where you say to meta and exit. Whoever, 640 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 5: if you send someone a post that is that is 641 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 5: not of communities and it's unsolicited, then there needs to 642 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 5: be a penalty. 643 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: And this is the thing, This is much more of 644 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: a concern, right. But also to me, you know, the 645 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: what we're seeing now in terms of the deep fakes 646 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, that's more of a concern to me, 647 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,959 Speaker 1: Like I think to myself with our daughters. And there 648 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: was a story this morning on the news about a 649 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: young mum of a young girl whose daughter basically at school. 650 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: I believe the boys had somehow managed to use deep 651 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: fake to make it appear as though she had sent 652 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: nudes when she hadn't. You know, that's that's more of 653 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: a concern to me as a parent. That then, regardless 654 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: of whether you're on social media or not, images like that, 655 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: things like that can be created and then they can 656 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: be sent on Now that's utterly heartbreaking to me. And 657 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: they're going to be able to be sent regardless of whether. 658 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 3: You Facebook or not. 659 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 6: Then aren't on Facebook, then at least they don't see that. 660 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: Email they do, they just send it to each other. Look, 661 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 2: that's the thing. 662 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 6: They just seeing it through social media because the parents 663 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 6: have been to being empowered to say, oh, look no 664 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 6: we're not going to do that. We're not going to 665 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 6: do social media just yet. We're just going to see 666 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 6: how you you know like, And they're thinking. Parents are smart, 667 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 6: They're going, look my child's development at this point in time, 668 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 6: and the kids are hanging around with and the school 669 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 6: that they're at, and these all these dynamics are happening. 670 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 6: It just gives them an extra piece of armor to 671 00:32:58,880 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 6: try and protect. 672 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 5: Agree with that point that as a parent, if you've 673 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 5: got a fourteen or fifteen year old, as I do 674 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 5: out top of you do that, if who wants to 675 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 5: get on social media, if you have the ability to 676 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 5: turn around and say, well, it's against the law. So 677 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 5: you know, it's illegal for you to be on social 678 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 5: media at fourteen or fifteen, so you can't be just like, 679 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 5: I mean, we all drank before we were eighteen, let's 680 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 5: be honest, but we had to go to great Well, 681 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 5: you probably could walk into the front bar in order 682 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 5: to beer Jared, but the rest of us couldn't, but 683 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 5: we had to go to greater leaks. 684 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: To be able to do it. 685 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: Because look helps, we will take a really quick break. 686 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty. 687 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 2: It is the week that was. 688 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was. It's been 689 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: a very busy morning in here this morning. If you've 690 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: just joined us, We've. 691 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 2: Got Luke Gosling, Jared Mayley and Matt Cunningham. Now it's 692 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 2: been a really quite a busy week. And earlier in. 693 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: The week, Larakia Elder Richard quit as the chair of 694 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: the Darwin Waterfront in a stand against the COLP lowering 695 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: the age of criminal responsibility, saying today I've resigned as 696 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: the chairman of the Darwin Waterfront Corporation in protests because 697 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: i will refuse to work for a government who's responsible 698 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: for locking up ten year old children. Everyone knows very 699 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: well that don Dale is full of Aboriginal children. And 700 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: I'll take my place with my people, and I'm here 701 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: to make a very clear statement. I will not play 702 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: any part of this, not in any way, shape or form. 703 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 2: Now. 704 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: Doctor Richard Fijo joined us on the show earlier in 705 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: the week, and I've got to say it really set. 706 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 2: The text line off. 707 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: You know, some saying good on you that you've stood 708 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: up for what you believe in and you've stood by 709 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: your morals are the saying Katie, we haven't had a 710 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: ten year old go into don Dale or into the 711 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: new youth Detention center. And the government was very clear 712 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: in saying that they don't want to be sending ten 713 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: year old kids into youth detention. But we've had a 714 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: situation where there's not been consequences. 715 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 2: So you know, this all sort of came on. 716 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 1: The same week that the new Youth Detention Center opened. 717 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: It's a discussion I think that we've sort of been 718 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: having now for weeks after the Colp government did relower 719 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: the age of criminal responsibility and that's now come into effect. 720 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 4: Look, Cardie, look everyone's entitled to their opinion and I 721 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 4: respect his decision for that, but look, we make no 722 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 4: apologies for inducing laws to make the charity a safer place. 723 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 4: You're right, there have been no consequences, and over the 724 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 4: last eight years, labor have just slowly, bit by bit 725 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 4: taken away the consequences. We're here to make the charity 726 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 4: a safer place. We have made laws to do that, 727 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 4: and we make no apologies, and remember our laws apply 728 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 4: to everybody, and simply if you don't want to go 729 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 4: into that area, don't commit a crime because there's going 730 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 4: to be a consequence. And I completely agree. We do 731 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 4: not want to lock ten year olds up. And in 732 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 4: fact I was at the New Youth Justice. They're not 733 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 4: that young there. They're the fifteen, sixteen, seventy year old 734 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 4: young offenders. These young people need help because you know, 735 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 4: I just wake up as a ten year old Katie 736 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 4: and go I'm going to go and steal a car today, 737 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 4: your train you learn into it because that family support 738 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 4: isn't there. So what we want to do is make 739 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 4: these children have a better opportunity to make better decisions 740 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 4: as they move older, so don't end up into the 741 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 4: cycle of going into your justice and then going into 742 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 4: the big prison and then just spending the whole life 743 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 4: in and out of prison. We want to make sure 744 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 4: that these children and the young offenders have his best 745 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 4: opportunity to make decisions to move forward. And without having 746 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 4: that because you can't do it voluntary, these children aren't 747 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 4: going to turn up to a voluntary training course. And 748 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 4: that's what that allows the police to give some certainty, 749 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 4: to be able to wrap around these children and support 750 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 4: them to make better decisions as they move forward. And 751 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 4: again I make no apologies. We want to make the 752 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 4: church you a safer place, full stop. 753 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 6: What I want to see is I put up federally 754 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 6: six million bucks at the last federal election for a 755 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 6: youth engagement have been Casarina and the idea behind that 756 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 6: was so that for a start, kasquare secure. Really staff 757 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 6: could take young ones who are doing the wrong thing, 758 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 6: take them down to the youth engagement hub. 759 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 3: But at that facility, which was to. 760 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 6: Be at the Kasarina Old Casarina fire station, there would 761 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 6: be some programs there, some mentors. They'd be in a 762 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 6: safe place. You know, perhaps home wasn't safe, but that 763 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 6: youth engagement hub. I would really like to see the 764 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,280 Speaker 6: COLPNT government crack on and get that established. The federal 765 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 6: funding is there and it was my number one commitment 766 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 6: two their last federal election. 767 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 5: Why has nothing happened. 768 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 3: Well, it's obviously not a question. 769 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 5: You got the funding for the anti government, that's right, 770 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 5: I just haven't delivered. 771 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 3: What Well, it's still. 772 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 6: There, So the funding is still there with government so 773 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 6: a site was selected, but it didn't get any further 774 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 6: pass that. So I'm just saying it is something real, 775 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 6: and it is one of those things to stop kids 776 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 6: going into detention, let's support them earlier. 777 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 5: Well, I think that's instructive as well, Katie, because we 778 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 5: know that in twenty twenty two, late twenty twenty two, 779 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 5: the Anti Government raised the age of criminal responsibility. Now 780 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 5: it had been on the table since twenty seventeen in 781 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 5: the Royal Commission. My understanding is that Michael Gunner had 782 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 5: always said up to those within his caucus who wanted 783 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 5: to raise the age of criminal responsibility, well, you guys 784 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 5: need to make sure and he even gave carriage of 785 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 5: this to them, you guys need to make sure that 786 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 5: the programs are in place before we do it. But 787 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 5: here you have an example of where Luke's gone out 788 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 5: and got six million dollars for the former Anti government 789 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 5: to put this thing in place, and it hasn't happened, 790 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 5: and yet they raise the age of criminal responsibility without 791 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 5: putting this sort of program. This is exactly the sort 792 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 5: of program we're talking about, without putting that sort of 793 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 5: program in place before they did it. 794 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 4: And Luke said you know, for the security got to 795 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 4: take them down there without having any authority over You 796 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 4: can't just take someone down there. You can't just take 797 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 4: eleven year old by the hand you're walking neck because 798 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 4: that's physically an assault. So what we're saying is if 799 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 4: if they commit an offense, it gives the police opportunity 800 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 4: to say, look, we're going to put you through the 801 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 4: court system if you don't go through the diversion programs, 802 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 4: to those programs where you talk about, to give the 803 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 4: police opportunity to actually force them into those programs because 804 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 4: we know they're not going to do it voluntary. And 805 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 4: you can't just pick someone up and take them to 806 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 4: assault someone. You need to go there as a power 807 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 4: and the police have the power only when you can. 808 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 4: But if you're eleven under the previous or the police 809 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 4: had no power touch on it. 810 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: Well you couldn't even actually put someone into a diversion program. 811 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 1: They had to voluntary go into it. Didn't age. 812 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 4: No one took that up. We looked at the figures. 813 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 4: No one took up the voluntary programs because they need to. 814 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 4: Because these children aren't having a fight over a bag 815 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 4: of lollies, Katie. They're having you know, these kids are 816 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 4: fifty sixty times involved with the youth justice and the 817 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 4: family all that sort of stuff. So you know, these 818 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 4: children need support. And that's what the his allows the 819 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 4: authorities to give these people support on a managery basis 820 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 4: because then we know they're not going to do it 821 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 4: on a voluntary basis. 822 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: To give them the judges will do you reckon the 823 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: judges will will go for it? Or are we going 824 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: to see a situation where some kids are going through 825 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: youth detention then going through the youth court? Sorry I 826 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: should say, and you know some and I don't know 827 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 1: because I can't. I don't actually think we can follow 828 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: stuff properly, can we, Matt in the youth court for us? 829 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, at least it's about giving the police a power 830 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 4: to not go to court because remember if you get 831 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 4: if you get arrested for doing an offense at eleven 832 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 4: year old, the police of opportunity to put you through 833 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 4: diversion and then they would draw the charge you. But 834 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 4: if you don't go through the diversion, then you go 835 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 4: through the system. 836 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: I did learn about something a little bit earlier in 837 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: the week though, with Strikeforce Trident. They told me about 838 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: these different I think it's not called a good behavior bond, 839 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: but it's something similar where kids can be on a 840 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:46,359 Speaker 1: behavior type agreement that's court ordered. And last week when 841 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: we had a situation where there was literally a car stolen, 842 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 1: they were throwing tools at you out the vehicle. 843 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 2: At the police. 844 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: My understanding, if I recall correctly, is at least one 845 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: of those people was on one of the agreements, so 846 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: clearly not behaving in the way that they are supposed 847 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: to be, and so it just makes me wonder how 848 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: effective some of the things are that we're currently doing. 849 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 4: Because we want to get back to the community service 850 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 4: where if you're going to commit that community service out 851 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 4: going out here in the park picking up the rubbish 852 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 4: and actually a real clear consequence. So if you commit 853 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 4: a crime or do something that's not right, there's going 854 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 4: to be a consequence, and like I said, we're going 855 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 4: to make no apology for that because we want to 856 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 4: make sure that these children have the support to move forward. 857 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 4: And it seems to be based on the evidence because 858 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 4: like I said, no voluntary at all, so we need 859 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 4: to force him into Yeah. 860 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 6: Support includes having facilities like a youth engagement hub that 861 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 6: can can give the kids a bit of support so 862 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 6: that they don't go and do crime, because there's good 863 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 6: things to do with that youth engagement hub. You've got 864 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 6: the money from the federal government, so I think. 865 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 3: The community wants year. 866 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 6: But the community just wants to see you crack on. 867 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 6: I'm glad that we've got a new youth detention facility. 868 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 6: It's got much better infrastructure there to support the kids. 869 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 3: So that's a good thing. 870 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 6: But let's stop them from going in there because we 871 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 6: know that they can make connections in there that leads 872 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,879 Speaker 6: to a higher level of crime in the future. Let's 873 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 6: try and do the preventative stuff as well as the 874 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:08,720 Speaker 6: diversion stuff. 875 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 2: We're going to have to take a very quick break. 876 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty. 877 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: I am just being told right now that the National 878 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: Cabinet has backed the social media plans to ban kids 879 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: under the age of sixteen from being able to access 880 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: social media. So be interesting to see how it all 881 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: rolls out. 882 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 3: Now the detail will come yep. 883 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,720 Speaker 2: Well that's a Matt all we've got time for this morning. 884 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 5: Jens. 885 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: It's been great to have you all in the studio. 886 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, Thank you so much for 887 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: your time today. 888 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 5: Thanks Katie. 889 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: Jared Mayley, the Deputy Chief Minister, thanks so much for 890 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:41,439 Speaker 1: your time. 891 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 4: Thank you. 892 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 2: Luke Gosling, the Member for Solomon, Thank you for joining us. 893 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 3: Being great. Katie's great to be home. 894 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,240 Speaker 2: Thank you